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Charley Casserly comments on Daniel Jones (video)

Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/17/2019 12:00 pm
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https://twitter.com/CharleyCasserly/status/1162721395421437952 - ( New Window )
nice segment  
ron mexico : 8/17/2019 12:14 pm : link
I was happy to see that after all the one read success he had last week.

As Shurmur said, keep checking those boxes.


Casserly knows football  
5BowlsSoon : 8/17/2019 12:24 pm : link
So Iím not surprised by this film.

Itís mostly the people who donít know the ins and outs of football who find fault and ridicule.
Iíve watched Eli do this  
GiantsRage2007 : 8/17/2019 12:26 pm : link
Nearly every play the last 2 years. Dumping to the rb doesnít do much for me. ☹️
RE: Iíve watched Eli do this  
BestFeature : 8/17/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14533908 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Nearly every play the last 2 years. Dumping to the rb doesnít do much for me. ☹️


Sometimes that's the only option.
RE: Iíve watched Eli do this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/17/2019 12:32 pm : link
In comment 14533908 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Nearly every play the last 2 years. Dumping to the rb doesnít do much for me. ☹️


So your response is that Jones should have bird-dogged his first receiver, who was covered, and thrown the ball any way?
RE: RE: Iíve watched Eli do this  
GiantsRage2007 : 8/17/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14533922 Eric from BBI said:
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Nearly every play the last 2 years. Dumping to the rb doesnít do much for me. ☹️



So your response is that Jones should have bird-dogged his first receiver, who was covered, and thrown the ball any way?


Didnít say anything about what he should do. Iím simply saying Iíve seen plenty of dump offs over the last 2 years (and you have too). Interesting play for Casserly to highlight.
He was highlighting it not because he dumped the ball off,  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/17/2019 2:33 pm : link
but because he clearly went through his progressions. There is a difference. Eli has been dumping off right away mostly because the protection has been bad and partly because it seems like he is a bit shell shocked.
RE: Iíve watched Eli do this  
Canton : 8/17/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14533908 GiantsRage2007 said:
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Nearly every play the last 2 years. Dumping to the rb doesnít do much for me. ☹️


Lack of football acumen, does nothing for me, as well.
RE: He was highlighting it not because he dumped the ball off,  
AcidTest : 8/17/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14534078 Zeke's Alibi said:
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but because he clearly went through his progressions. There is a difference. Eli has been dumping off right away mostly because the protection has been bad and partly because it seems like he is a bit shell shocked.


^This.
I was rewatching DJ's TD pass from the Jets game, and one  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/17/2019 2:46 pm : link
thing I noticed was I couldn't help getting the feeling that Eli would have went to the RB that sat down in the middle of the field. Not necessarily a wrong read, but the safe one.
Brady has been making stars out of receivers  
Big Blue '56 : 8/17/2019 2:46 pm : link
coming out of the backfield for as long as I can remember..
It was a smart  
darren in pdx : 8/17/2019 3:16 pm : link
throw for a rookie QB and impressive that he made three reads quickly and good footwork. The end result of the play isn't as pretty as the Latimer throw or the TD, but great to see when one of the only criticisms from last week was 'one-read only.'

I don't recall what down that was, but if it was 1st & 10 that gives a very manageable 2nd & 4. In today's NFL when you only have 2 seconds to get a pass off that's a positive.
The footwork is what impressed me  
Ira : 8/17/2019 3:18 pm : link
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The good news about DJ to date,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/17/2019 3:22 pm : link
is that the unrelentingly brutal posters re the DJ pick at 6 have been temporarily closeted right now, so pro or con, we can have decent conversations..
RE: The good news about DJ to date,  
clatterbuck : 8/17/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14534176 Big Blue '56 said:
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is that the unrelentingly brutal posters re the DJ pick at 6 have been temporarily closeted right now, so pro or con, we can have decent conversations..


+1
RE: RE: Iíve watched Eli do this  
montanagiant : 8/17/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14534085 Canton said:
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Nearly every play the last 2 years. Dumping to the rb doesnít do much for me. ☹️



Lack of football acumen, does nothing for me, as well.

You beat me to it
GiantsRage2007 : Dumping to the rb doesnít do much for me. ☹️  
Torrag : 8/17/2019 5:44 pm : link
He scanned through his progressions and found the open man for a gain just before getting knocked on his ass by a DL. HELLO!? You're the problem here not Jones.
I mentioned to the person I was watching with  
arniefez : 8/17/2019 5:48 pm : link
after that play it was a good sign from a rookie QB. Last week on the TD he was locked in on the receiver the whole way. NFL safeties and CBs will eat that up. The Jets had neither on the field on that pass. So nice to see yesterday. He's ahead of schedule but still a very green rookie.
RE: I mentioned to the person I was watching with  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/17/2019 6:25 pm : link
In comment 14534319 arniefez said:
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after that play it was a good sign from a rookie QB. Last week on the TD he was locked in on the receiver the whole way. NFL safeties and CBs will eat that up. The Jets had neither on the field on that pass. So nice to see yesterday. He's ahead of schedule but still a very green rookie.


An NFL safety isn't going to eat that up that if he is playing the post and lined up inside, although the good ones may be able to recover. The defense can make plays too. "Staring" down receivers hurts when you need to manipulate linebackers/safeties in zone coverage, or the corner in off man jumping a timing route.
RE: Casserly knows football  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2019 6:27 pm : link
In comment 14533903 5BowlsSoon said:
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So Iím not surprised by this film.

Itís mostly the people who donít know the ins and outs of football who find fault and ridicule.


And also Bill Belichick.
RE: GiantsRage2007 : Dumping to the rb doesnít do much for me. ☹️  
GiantsRage2007 : 8/17/2019 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14534315 Torrag said:
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He scanned through his progressions and found the open man for a gain just before getting knocked on his ass by a DL. HELLO!? You're the problem here not Jones.


Iím a problem? Stfu dude. Blow it out your ass.

I said Iíve seen enough dump offs the last 2 years from Eli so Jones ability to do so doesnít do much for me. Itís not a critique itís an observation. Also I said out of all the throws he made last night, that was an odd one for Casserly to highlight.

You really want to get excited about him progressing through 2 reads and dumping it off in a preseason game vs non-starters have at it. Iíd rather see him start over Eli cause heís the future - but like I said dumping it to a rb does nothing for me. Iíd guess if it was 3rd and 10 and we got 4 yards you wouldnít be so excited either.

Preseason is about players being able to show they can play  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2019 6:43 pm : link
That's all you're looking for. Take "well it wasn't against starters" out of it. What you're looking for is signs that Jones can do what he's asked to do. It doesn't matter that he made a throw against a backup. What matters is the process of Jones taking a drop back, making his read, and executing the the throw well or not.

The fact that he seems to be able to make accurate throws and place the ball well is what matters. Whether he can do it against #1s will come later, but quick reads and accurate throws are a positive sign.
RE: RE: GiantsRage2007 : Dumping to the rb doesnít do much for me. ☹️  
Bill L : 8/17/2019 6:52 pm : link
In comment 14534365 GiantsRage2007 said:
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He scanned through his progressions and found the open man for a gain just before getting knocked on his ass by a DL. HELLO!? You're the problem here not Jones.



Iím a problem? Stfu dude. Blow it out your ass.

I said Iíve seen enough dump offs the last 2 years from Eli so Jones ability to do so doesnít do much for me. Itís not a critique itís an observation. Also I said out of all the throws he made last night, that was an odd one for Casserly to highlight.

You really want to get excited about him progressing through 2 reads and dumping it off in a preseason game vs non-starters have at it. Iíd rather see him start over Eli cause heís the future - but like I said dumping it to a rb does nothing for me. Iíd guess if it was 3rd and 10 and we got 4 yards you wouldnít be so excited either.

Itís important because it shows maturity and learning. There is more to be a QB than just looking like you won a punt, pass, and kick competition. Thereís reading defenses, finding the optimal play and, yeah dumping off is a significant part of that. Itís a huge step for a rookie qb. Thatís why itís worthy of focus.
RE: RE: RE: GiantsRage2007 : Dumping to the rb doesnít do much for me. ☹️  
GiantsRage2007 : 8/17/2019 7:16 pm : link
In comment 14534384 Bill L said:
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He scanned through his progressions and found the open man for a gain just before getting knocked on his ass by a DL. HELLO!? You're the problem here not Jones.



Iím a problem? Stfu dude. Blow it out your ass.

I said Iíve seen enough dump offs the last 2 years from Eli so Jones ability to do so doesnít do much for me. Itís not a critique itís an observation. Also I said out of all the throws he made last night, that was an odd one for Casserly to highlight.

You really want to get excited about him progressing through 2 reads and dumping it off in a preseason game vs non-starters have at it. Iíd rather see him start over Eli cause heís the future - but like I said dumping it to a rb does nothing for me. Iíd guess if it was 3rd and 10 and we got 4 yards you wouldnít be so excited either.



Itís important because it shows maturity and learning. There is more to be a QB than just looking like you won a punt, pass, and kick competition. Thereís reading defenses, finding the optimal play and, yeah dumping off is a significant part of that. Itís a huge step for a rookie qb. Thatís why itís worthy of focus.



Yea. I get it. That makes sense.

Chalk me up as a frustrated fan tired of seeing us ďsettleĒ for those dump downs all the time. I realize sometimes itís the only play. I understand that. It just seems we settle for it when we donít have to.

Iím excited about Jones for sure. Plenty of good throws last night.
RE: Brady has been making stars out of receivers  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/18/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14534102 Big Blue '56 said:
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coming out of the backfield for as long as I can remember..

And we signed Vereen to a big contract of course. A "possession 3rd down RB".
RE: The good news about DJ to date,  
PatersonPlank : 8/18/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14534176 Big Blue '56 said:
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is that the unrelentingly brutal posters re the DJ pick at 6 have been temporarily closeted right now, so pro or con, we can have decent conversations..


Just wait until he throws his first pick, or only completes 60% of his passes. All hell will break loose.
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