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Just heard Jamie Dukes defend Daniel Jones

BSIMatt : 8/17/2019 2:31 pm
I was driving wifeís car, and she doesnít have nfl channel on Sirius so I was flipping through trying to find football talk and came across Eli/Jones discussion on mad dog radio.

Caller chimes in saying Jones needs to sit for 2 years because he was fumbling the ball all over the place. Lance Meadow responds it was just two plays and Jamie Dukes interrupts him to say the center exchange was primarily the centers fault because he short armed it and that you canít put that one on Jones. Then went on to say he had played some center and the guy should go watch the replay as the center was rushing to hit his reach block and short armed the snap.

Thought that was interesting.
Good insight  
Canton : 8/17/2019 2:33 pm : link
Thanks.
Very good info  
Tuckrule : 8/17/2019 2:37 pm : link
Thanks
It never ceases to amaze how stupid the average football fan is  
Ben in Tampa : 8/17/2019 2:45 pm : link
Sit Jones for two years because he fumbled twice in his second preseason game? Good grief
To be fair, one issue with him iirc was fumbles  
ChaChing : 8/17/2019 2:46 pm : link
But from what I watched he was under so much duress it's fair to wait-and-see how he performs with (hopefully) more protection

2nd fumble, it seemed he felt the pressure and was stepping up, but didn't protect the ball enough. Seemed this play's failure was much more the OL's mistake - but still a teaching moment for DJ

First one was a rook flub if not a miscomm, can't happen moving fwd but fair so long as it doesn't persist
Hard to tell with the camera angle  
OdellBeckhamJr : 8/17/2019 2:46 pm : link
but it looked like the snap was fine?
Fumble clip - ( New Window )
And yes I'd take Dukes opinion on the 2nd one  
ChaChing : 8/17/2019 2:47 pm : link
go figure...that was a good addition of detail on that play

Thanks for posting!
Hahaha  
BigBlueShock : 8/17/2019 2:50 pm : link
Just one more reason why fans suck. Despite what Jones is showing with his arm and skill set, he should be sent to purgatory for not one, but two seasons because of a botched snap and a strip fumble.

Never mind the fact that heís stillness getting used to taking snaps under center that he rarely did in college and is taking snaps from a guy he likely doesnít have a ton of time with. Nope. Needs to be benched for two seasons after that!
RE: It never ceases to amaze how stupid the average football fan is  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/17/2019 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14534096 Ben in Tampa said:
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Sit Jones for two years because he fumbled twice in his second preseason game? Good grief


The good ones get cut off. I was watching this before the game and a caller had to correct these guys that McAdoo didn't get fired because of the benching and that the two superbowl teams main core from Accorsi were the ones that really won the 2007 and 2011 superbowls (with an awesome draft from 2007 from JR, the last time he was in charge of scouting). But they cut him off and started screaming about two superbowls as GM and McAdoo got fired because of the benching. The national media loves creating their own narratives because they don't deep dive on the specific teams like we do.
They will learn from it and we will all move on  
mattlawson : 8/17/2019 2:59 pm : link
Eli has fumbled the ball I donít know 50 million times
link  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/17/2019 3:01 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
If Daniel Jones wasn't a fumbler at Duke with the shit he had  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/17/2019 3:01 pm : link
in front of him, he isn't going to start developing that in the NFL.
RE: They will learn from it and we will all move on  
Big Blue '56 : 8/17/2019 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14534128 mattlawson said:
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Eli has fumbled the ball I donít know 50 million times


Letís keep this objective and not be given towards hyperbole. 50 million? 49 million perhaps, but I think 5o is an exaggeration.
Actual football talk  
Optimus-NY : 8/17/2019 3:18 pm : link
Too bad that isn't what sells. Thanks for the info. There are still hardcore fans, like many of us, who do car. Much appreciated.
If Jones needs to sit 2 years  
darren in pdx : 8/17/2019 3:20 pm : link
then I guess Haskins needs to sit for 3 or 4 years..

Either way, Jones has to get that snap even if the center fucked up. The second fumble his eyes were downfield, he could have avoided the rusher or protected the ball better but it was also partly on the o-line letting the guy get through after the chip and the defender made a really good play on the ball.
Mans sense. A year for every fumble.  
since1925 : 8/17/2019 3:29 pm : link
Isn't that standard?
RE: Mans sense. A year for every fumble.  
Strahan91 : 8/17/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14534188 since1925 said:
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Isn't that standard?

Someone needs to tell Josh Allen he probably needs to retire
If that was the case  
Deejboy : 8/17/2019 3:46 pm : link
Sam Darnold wouldn't play until 2028
True  
BSIMatt : 8/17/2019 3:59 pm : link
Jones had less fumbles lost in 3 years than Darnold did in 2.
The other point that Lance Meadows made  
BSIMatt : 8/17/2019 4:03 pm : link
Was Jones has been practicing all camp with second team and that botched exchange came with first team line(Halapio)..you do tend to see plays like that more with new QB/Center pairings. Not that Jones hasnít taken any reps with Halapio, I know he has...but it is still a fair point.
RE: The other point that Lance Meadows made  
Jay on the Island : 8/17/2019 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14534228 BSIMatt said:
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Was Jones has been practicing all camp with second team and that botched exchange came with first team line(Halapio)..you do tend to see plays like that more with new QB/Center pairings. Not that Jones hasnít taken any reps with Halapio, I know he has...but it is still a fair point.

IIRC it was reported that last weeks preseason game vs the Jets was the first time Jones has played with the 1st team OL including practice.
Duke seems level headed  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/17/2019 4:41 pm : link
One of the rare sports person that doesn't make me sick with their schtick and clickbait.
Sure  
mrvax : 8/17/2019 5:19 pm : link
give Eli $50M and extend him for 2 more years. SMH.
RE: Hahaha  
joeinpa : 8/17/2019 5:19 pm : link
In comment 14534112 BigBlueShock said:
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Just one more reason why fans suck. Despite what Jones is showing with his arm and skill set, he should be sent to purgatory for not one, but two seasons because of a botched snap and a strip fumble.

Never mind the fact that heís stillness getting used to taking snaps under center that he rarely did in college and is taking snaps from a guy he likely doesnít have a ton of time with. Nope. Needs to be benched for two seasons after that!


He definitely should sit behind Eli for two more seasons because Eli never fumbles it. Right?
I was a C in HS  
Daniel in MI : 8/17/2019 6:05 pm : link
That snap clearly hits DJ in the hands. DJ just dropped it, probably rushing a touch, but just a random error thatís neither a trend nor unheard of for QBs.

This seems to me the opposite of the prior trend, now DJ can do no wrong? Kid dropped a snap, BFD. Letís not blame everyone else.
Oh, and  
Daniel in MI : 8/17/2019 6:12 pm : link
That fan was crazy: two years? Thatís BS. He should sit forever. We should draft another QB and force DJ to sit behind that guy. For his entire contract. That is the only sane move for a Rookie QB making minor errors in execution in the preseason. Then when his contract is up we should make him our Franchise player to continue to sit him. Thatís the only move a good GM would make
RE: I was a C in HS  
crick n NC : 8/17/2019 6:18 pm : link
In comment 14534342 Daniel in MI said:
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That snap clearly hits DJ in the hands. DJ just dropped it, probably rushing a touch, but just a random error thatís neither a trend nor unheard of for QBs.

This seems to me the opposite of the prior trend, now DJ can do no wrong? Kid dropped a snap, BFD. Letís not blame everyone else.


It's quite common for fans to defend their players no matter what.

However, we certainly should investigate the whole play vs assuming if we want good discussion.

Back in Coughlin's\Gilbride's offense it was quite common for a wr to run an incorrect route considering that offense relied on both the qb and wr to correctly read not only the type of coverage the defense was in but also what coverage techniques they were using. Not to mention the defense knew this and tried to not only fool the qb, but also fool the wr.

It's interesting because sometimes we don't study the play and assume we know what happened, yet over and over again we are shown there are more dimensions that we're not b seeing. Yet, also at times the simple answer is correct
Jamie Dukes defended Jones  
BSIMatt : 8/17/2019 6:56 pm : link
Pretty sure heís not a Giants fan, was just passing along what he said, as well as what his cohost said.
Totally not worried about those 2 fumbles.  
Ozarkman : 8/17/2019 7:29 pm : link
He is a very smart kid that will learn from his mistakes.
Well said, Ozarkman ...  
Manny in CA : 8/17/2019 9:10 pm : link

Teaching moments for DJ.

Smart, accurate, athletic, doesn't mentally fall apart after a mistake - All very important attributes of a successful NFL QB.
RE: True  
TheGhostofBlueGuy : 8/17/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14534223 BSIMatt said:
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Jones had less fumbles lost in 3 years than Darnold did in 2.


But don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument. Holy hell.
I looked at the video...  
.McL. : 8/18/2019 2:38 am : link
I can't tell...

That said, Jones wasn't taking snaps from under center in college. So its new to him... Just saying.

But hey, this is the time to have these kinds of mistakes, and as somebody said above, these are teaching moments. Not a big deal.
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