Mets Lineup
Amed Rosario DH
Joe Panik 2B
Pete Alonso 1B
Michael Conforto RF
Wilson Ramos C
Todd Frazier 3B
Luis Guillorme SS
Juan Lagares CF
Aaron Altherr LF
Royals Lineup
Whit Merrifield 2B
Alex Gordon LF
Hunter Dozier RF
Jorge Soler DH
Cheslor Cuthbert 3B
Brett Phillips CF
Ryan O’Hearn 1B
Meibrys Viloria C
Nicky Lopez SS
Mets have to battle back tonight with deGrom on the mound. The lineup keeps getting uglier with now Davis out with a calf injury. Lockett is in Kansas City in case Davis or Gsellman get placed on the IL. Take 2 of 3 on the road here and all is still good but this is getting pretty ugly. LFGM!
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Cespedes RF
4.) Davis LF
5.) Smith 1B
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Lowrie SS
8.) Mesaraco C
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Cespedes RF
4.) Davis LF
5.) Smith 1B
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Lowrie SS
8.) Mesaraco C
Conforto?
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The all injured Mets lineup would be incredible!
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Cespedes RF
4.) Davis LF
5.) Smith 1B
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Lowrie SS
8.) Mesaraco C
Conforto?
Conforto is playing?
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Cespedes RF
4.) Davis LF
5.) Smith 1B
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Lowrie SS
8.) Mesaraco C
Mesaraco? Didn't he ask for his release after getting cut/ sent to the minors?
Yes. And Rosario. Still sickening that we can field an entire lineup of guys on the IR or that are currently injured. And it looks MUCH better than any actual lineup we fielded this year. lol
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The all injured Mets lineup would be incredible!
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Cespedes RF
4.) Davis LF
5.) Smith 1B
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Lowrie SS
8.) Mesaraco C
Mesaraco? Didn't he ask for his release after getting cut/ sent to the minors?
Yes. And we declined. So he is currently on the IL. Obviously, thats the only player I reached on a little to make the lineup work.
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The all injured Mets lineup would be incredible!
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) McNeil 3B
3.) Cespedes RF
4.) Davis LF
5.) Smith 1B
6.) Cano 2B
7.) Lowrie SS
8.) Mesaraco C
Mesaraco? Didn't he ask for his release after getting cut/ sent to the minors?
Yes. And we declined. So he is currently on the IL. Obviously, thats the only player I reached on a little to make the lineup work.
Maybe Diaz should join them on the IL with an “injury”
Of course, it won't realistically happen.
They are fungible and variable.
By all accounts Diaz velocity is fine, and no one could have seen this decline coming.
Except almost everyone. Or at least almost no one is surprised by it except for a handful of people who defended the trade and hailed Diaz as the next Rivera.
They are fungible and variable.
By all accounts Diaz velocity is fine, and no one could have seen this decline coming.
Except almost everyone. Or at least almost no one is surprised by it except for a handful of people who defended the trade and hailed Diaz as the next Rivera.
That’s a major stretch. There wasn’t a single poster in baseball calling Diaz Mariano Rivera. He was, however, the best closer in baseball last year and only 24 years old. That holds value in any baseball market and the going price for that, whether anyone agrees with it or not, is a good prospect or two. I also don’t remember a single poster calling it a “win” for the Mets. At best a few thought it was “fair”. I was in that camp and I’m not changing that stance because of hindsight. Obviously, it’s ugly right now but we won’t know how that deal turns out for many years. Diaz could rebound next year. Cano could come back and play better... Kelenic could suck....
Either way it’s done. Nothing we can do about it. BVW made a great trade for Davis also.
His best has proven to be so good it outweighs his D.
Still felt like those resources could have been better used in a bullpen or defense first position player trade, but who knows what trades present themselves.
I was wrong on Davis.
The Diaz trade has a better chance to get added to the "10 worst trades in Mets history" than it does of being straightened out especially if BVW compounds it by dealing Diaz. He'll almost never get close to the value back that he gave up.
The chances of Diaz being so much better than Familia (or Miller or Ottavino), who all got signed for reasonable money and 0 prospects, that he was worth also giving up Kelenic + Dunn was always extremely remote.
I'll give BVW all the credit in the world for JDD though. There is a good chance he's a better hitter than Kelenic will be and we got his entire first contract. That move was as potentially volatile as the Diaz move so in a live by the sword/die by the sword things kind of evened out, but it doesn't excuse the mistake of giving up blue chip assets for a player whose prior season was an outlier in every sense.
We can talk about Kelenic's upside all day long, but the truth is the further you are away from the majors, the more of a bust factor you have.
His value at the time of the deal was his value at the time of the deal. Now Kelenic has moved up the latter since then... but you can also make the case Dunn has gotten worse (99 ranked on BA as of its last ranking).
Diaz has showed some serious talent and has that talent, just need to figure out how to release the nerves, or find out if he's hiding an injury.
Cano could surprise next year it just sucks he holds McNeil's spot hostage.
Agree. Davis or Herrera should be up as bench bats/defense.
Diaz has showed some serious talent and has that talent, just need to figure out how to release the nerves, or find out if he's hiding an injury.
Cano could surprise next year it just sucks he holds McNeil's spot hostage.
Cano isnt holding McNeil's spot hostage. McNeil split time at 3B and 2B in the minors and judging by a small sample, McNeil's best position is actually 3B which happens to be wide open going forward.
This lineup somehow seems worse than last night
Pulling for them all, but Panik at #2, Guillorme, Lagares, my fav Altherr....ugh
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But we can't score so....
This lineup somehow seems worse than last night
Pulling for them all, but Panik at #2, Guillorme, Lagares, my fav Altherr....ugh
Just brutal. This lineup is trash. We better get some pieces back soon or we are sunk.
What were the chances
This a few minutes after showing the Mets' schedule of series after this one...ALL div or WC race teams
We can talk about Kelenic's upside all day long, but the truth is the further you are away from the majors, the more of a bust factor you have.
His value at the time of the deal was his value at the time of the deal. Now Kelenic has moved up the latter since then... but you can also make the case Dunn has gotten worse (99 ranked on BA as of its last ranking).
I've never been an overhyper of Kelenic and I'm still not but he and Dunn ended up a better package than what the Marlins got for Realmuto this year or Yelich/Ozuna last year (imo). Or what the yanks gave up for James Paxton or stros w/ Cole. Can't think of too many other big trades the past few offseasons. Hand+ brought back Francisco Mejia last year in-season. Teams have been a lot less inclined to give up top prospects in the last several years. Meadows/Glasnow almost definitely a better haul but they were both already in the big leagues.
Does KC have some righties coming up? Lets get Avilan in there
Gotta score now w/ top order coming up
2RBI single 3-1 Mets
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Kelenic and Dunn were nationally ranked 50-100 guys. Neither was a true blue chipper going the other way. Gimenez and Alonso were more highly regarded.
We can talk about Kelenic's upside all day long, but the truth is the further you are away from the majors, the more of a bust factor you have.
His value at the time of the deal was his value at the time of the deal. Now Kelenic has moved up the latter since then... but you can also make the case Dunn has gotten worse (99 ranked on BA as of its last ranking).
I've never been an overhyper of Kelenic and I'm still not but he and Dunn ended up a better package than what the Marlins got for Realmuto this year or Yelich/Ozuna last year (imo). Or what the yanks gave up for James Paxton or stros w/ Cole. Can't think of too many other big trades the past few offseasons. Hand+ brought back Francisco Mejia last year in-season. Teams have been a lot less inclined to give up top prospects in the last several years. Meadows/Glasnow almost definitely a better haul but they were both already in the big leagues.
I dont agree with this. The Marlins trades for Yelich and Ozuna are notoriously shit on for the lack of talent the Marlins brought back but they still brought back prospects that were top 50. Brinson was around 32 which is way higher than Kelenic was. Also, you're getting into control time too now(Realmuto one year of control VS Diaz 4).
Best to keep it simple and compare the trade to high profile relievers such as Miller, Kimbrell, and Chapman over recent years IMO. All had significant prospects going the other way in those deals.
In the four losses, there have been several occasions where he has been up in a potentially game changing situation, and he is swinging from the heels.
Needs to cut down on his swing, especially with two strikes. Go the other way. He is trying to hit a five-run homer when all they need is a single
Ima start shit talking all Mets moving fwd
Yea, I’ve always liked him. Glad to see him hanging in there
I think Guillorme is a very nice bench player, BTW. Underrated so far. I'd be happy to see him as the utility infielder in 2020. Rosario seems to finally have SS locked down. McNeill should be at either 2nd or 3rd IMO. I don't know what to make of Cano at this point. Davis needs to play every day somewhere, but so does Smith... and Nimmo... and Conforto... and assuming he comes back, Cespedes.
Alonso needs to spend the winter taking grounders at first base. He hasn't been as bad as advertised, but he hasn't been real good either. Good at scooping throws, not so much on ground balls.
I think there's a big trade for coming in the offseason. The Mets have too many corner outfielders and an extra 1st baseman in Smith, not enough relievers, centerfielders and catchers. The roster doesn't make sense. But there are plenty of assets to trade.
And 3 game series vs Phil’s, Nats, Reds and Rockies
All the rest are at home. Where they play much better
Who do we want to win? I think Brewers...
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In extra innings. Hader just had the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth and struck out three in a row (Turner, Eaton, and Rendon) to send it to extras. Score is 12-12. Wow.
Who do we want to win? I think Brewers...
Yes. Doolittle gave up 3 home runs in the 9th. Crazy. If Diaz did that we'd be jumping off buildings. These bullpens in our division are comical.
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In extra innings. Hader just had the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth and struck out three in a row (Turner, Eaton, and Rendon) to send it to extras. Score is 12-12. Wow.
Who do we want to win? I think Brewers...
Yes. Doolittle gave up 3 home runs in the 9th. Crazy. If Diaz did that we'd be jumping off buildings. These bullpens in our division are comical.
He's waaaay overworked, been saying it since June, Nats put alot on Doolittle this year and he's not going to be able to be doing it by himself much longer.
And yes you're right on McNeil, I forgot Frazier is a FA next year.