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Daniel Jones - 16/19 84% 228 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 148 QB Rating......

sxdxca : 8/17/2019 7:57 pm
This is a combination of what he has done in his last two games.

He is completing 84% of his passes, that's absolutely ridiculous.

I think once he learns how to read NFL defenses, which will take a year or two, the sky's the limit for him...
Still a reach at #6.  
81_Great_Dane : 8/17/2019 8:07 pm : link
(sarcasm off)
big miss  
madgiantscow009 : 8/17/2019 8:12 pm : link
by the cardinals raiders, tampa and not confident about Garopolo either.

I know it's unfounded.
Pleas don’t use QB rating  
dep026 : 8/17/2019 8:33 pm : link
In evaluating QBs.

Jones has been incredible but those fumbles should count against him.
More important IMO than the stats themselves  
mfsd : 8/17/2019 8:45 pm : link
is he’s not keeping up a high completion percentage by throwing all check downs, or racking up yards through big YAC passes. He’s looking to take middle range and deep shots when he has the chance, and still hitting most of them.

Sure, it will get harder as competition heats up against him in the future, but he’s off to a great start.
Incredible.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/17/2019 8:45 pm : link
As long as Jones isn't consistently committing those fumbles/TOs years and years into his career, that's all that matters.
Context matters on TO's  
crick n NC : 8/17/2019 8:49 pm : link
How did they happen, how much of it was the qb?
Eli has had a lot of TO's over his career, yet the Giants have two super bowls in that time.

RE: Pleas don’t use QB rating  
section125 : 8/17/2019 8:50 pm : link
In comment 14534448 dep026 said:
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In evaluating QBs.

Jones has been incredible but those fumbles should count against him.


Yes ultimately they should count, but they don't count for any QB in the NFL or college.
But, it is something he can improve on and something he needs to be aware of.
It’s a fantastic start  
Les in TO : 8/17/2019 8:54 pm : link
Reason for optimism for the future
Keep in Mind...  
Capt. Don : 8/17/2019 9:18 pm : link
That we havent seen him extend plays and beat the defense with his legs yet.

Even his biggest critics really liked his athleticism.
RE: Pleas don’t use QB rating  
Junior22 : 8/17/2019 9:20 pm : link
In comment 14534448 dep026 said:
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In evaluating QBs.

Jones has been incredible but those fumbles should count against him.


We will just blame those fumbles on the oline and the GM
Nfl.com  
BSIMatt : 8/17/2019 9:25 pm : link
Has his qb rating at 151.8
The first fumble was part a center who has only played the position  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/17/2019 9:31 pm : link
two years in his life, part QB that has never been under center. The second one he needs to be stronger with the ball, but to be fair they had a chip and the RT took such a wide path he gave him a direct line to the QB. That is not going to happen too often. Guys screw up blocking assignments and usually the lineman are the ones that take the heat for the fumble. Bears DE just swiped at the ball practically unimpeded on his strong side, not many guys are going to hold onto that.
Ive got a JONES  
mpinmaine : 8/17/2019 9:32 pm : link
FOR MORE COWBELL
But but.. it's only batting practice for a QB  
Canton : 8/17/2019 9:49 pm : link
with a clean pocket, no rush, and very good o-line play..


~bw in dc
If only playing Dallas and Philly  
UberAlias : 8/17/2019 9:50 pm : link
Was the same as playing the Jets and Bears backup playing vanilla defense. We’re seriously calculating comp % and QBR in preseason games? Good grief.
Nothing wrong with being excited about the plays  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2019 9:52 pm : link
but there's really no reason at all to gawk at stats in preseason.
He's missed 2 throws, with tremendous accuracy on  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/17/2019 9:58 pm : link
some difficult throws. It really can't be discounted. The crossing route was a five yard throw that would've stopped right there if not for pinpoint accuracy. I've seen Eli make that same completion for years with no YAC. This guy already looks like a better pure passer than Dak. We are going to see a lot of man coverage due to Saquon and mediocre WRs. At the very least we know he'll be able to beat that if protected. That at least makes him a starter in this league.
The funny thing is...talent evaluators say the best way to  
BSIMatt : 8/17/2019 10:02 pm : link
Judge a quarterback is from a clean pocket. Most of damage done by quarterbacks isn’t when they are under pressure but from a clean pocket.
Near optimal start for Jones  
Torrag : 8/17/2019 10:04 pm : link
I'm actually glad he had the fumbles. Gave us and the coaches a chance to see him respond to adversity in real time. He looked pissed off on the sideline and he answered the bell.

The rest is semi-meaningless. He hasn't faced a starting defense yet.
I wonder if he will see a starting defense  
BSIMatt : 8/17/2019 10:09 pm : link
In the preseason. He has a chance in the next one, but it depends on Bengals and how long a look Eli gets in the dress rehearsal.
It's preseason....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/17/2019 10:26 pm : link
But he looks good.
With the way  
darren in pdx : 8/17/2019 10:28 pm : link
people reacted on draft day he should be 0/19 with 19 INTs..
Hope the OP is right  
giantstock : 8/17/2019 10:34 pm : link
We'll be a juggernaut for a long time with Jones and Barkley if he is.
RE: He's missed 2 throws, with tremendous accuracy on  
AcesUp : 8/17/2019 10:35 pm : link
In comment 14534511 Zeke's Alibi said:
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some difficult throws. It really can't be discounted. The crossing route was a five yard throw that would've stopped right there if not for pinpoint accuracy. I've seen Eli make that same completion for years with no YAC. This guy already looks like a better pure passer than Dak. We are going to see a lot of man coverage due to Saquon and mediocre WRs. At the very least we know he'll be able to beat that if protected. That at least makes him a starter in this league.


That throw to Golden is the one that's flying under the radar. It looks like an easy pitch and catch but Jones' ball placement makes that happen. He threw that on target and in stride, if that ball is off by a little, that's not a chunk play but a 4-yard catch short of the first down marker with a much longer field to navigate.
Only thing should be looking at in preseason  
micky : 8/17/2019 10:49 pm : link
Is his placement of ball. How he handles certain situations. Ball handling. Preseason otherwise doesn't tell much , esp nowadays, with glorified practice games
Lauletta's numbers are just as good.  
since1925 : 8/17/2019 10:52 pm : link
With no fumbles.
The arm strength, ball placement, accuracy  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/17/2019 11:00 pm : link
can't be denied. And while geeks are quick to point out he's playing against backups, guess what? He's out there with a bunch backups on his own team, as well. Eli played against backups last night, as well. Lots of players around the league are playing against backups.
RE: Lauletta's numbers are just as good.  
sxdxca : 8/18/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14534537 since1925 said:
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With no fumbles.


Your comparing Laulettas second year vs Jones rookie year, its not a fair comparison.

Here is what Apples to Apples really looks like...

Kyle Lauletta 2018 rookie preseason stats

17/35 47% 194 yards 1 Td 2 Int 58 QB Rating

Now Lets compare Jones rookie preseason

16/19 84% 228 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 148 QB Rating

It's not even close, Jones is outperforming him in almost every category.

Enjoy
RE: Lauletta's numbers are just as good.  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/18/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14534537 since1925 said:
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With no fumbles.

KL, Tanney, and Eli's mechanics don't look as good as DJ8. Full bloom love.
The reason all the QB numbers are so good is one common element  
since1925 : 8/18/2019 10:42 am : link
The offensive line. Give a QB time to pass from a clean pocket and his numbers will improve.

And if you watched the game, the second string offensive line also performed fairly well. Which leads me to conclude that the talent is not only better. But that the players are more comfortable in the system. They understand it better and are using it to better advantage. And that improves the QB play. It has also helped all the RBs as well. Check out their numbers.
We know some things now.  
Thegratefulhead : 8/18/2019 11:26 am : link
The kid can handle pressure. The pressure to perform for him considering all the circumstances of being picked by the NYG in 2019 draft is immense. NlYou can't deny that. Jones handled it, you cannot deny that either. That matters.

Jones has thrown a few of indefensible passes. Perfect timing and accuracy. We now know he can do that. It is an absolutely necessary trait in an rlite QB. This doesn't mean he will be elite but it means he can be.

His first 2 preseason games have looked better than any of QBs drafted in the last 2 years. No cookies for that but you have to admit that it is much better than if he looked worse?

He has done all of this without SB on the field. I am going to be nothing but positive about this. I don't pass up any opportunity to look for the good in things.
RE: The reason all the QB numbers are so good is one common element  
Jay on the Island : 8/18/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14534730 since1925 said:
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The offensive line. Give a QB time to pass from a clean pocket and his numbers will improve.

And if you watched the game, the second string offensive line also performed fairly well. Which leads me to conclude that the talent is not only better. But that the players are more comfortable in the system. They understand it better and are using it to better advantage. And that improves the QB play. It has also helped all the RBs as well. Check out their numbers.

RB numbers this preseason
Gallman 2.6 YPC
Perkins 4.4 YPC
Smith 3.37 YPC
Hilliman 3.5 YPC

Those numbers aren't great.

Baker Mayfield also fumbled on his 1st or 2nd drive I believe  
Leg of Theismann : 8/18/2019 5:04 pm : link
last year against the Jets on TNF. Ball security as a QB takes some getting used to in the NFL. Pass rushers are so talented that they are able to go for the strip sack every time they get to the QB. You don't have that in college, so it takes some getting used to (Aikman alluded to this point when Mayfield had that first fumble last year). If Ball security is all he has to work on, then I think we're going to be okay. Not that it's a completely easy fix, but it is fixable. Not being able to complete passes against NFL defenses is much more difficult to fix.
RE: RE: Lauletta's numbers are just as good.  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/19/2019 6:32 am : link
In comment 14534719 sxdxca said:
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In comment 14534537 since1925 said:


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With no fumbles.



Your comparing Laulettas second year vs Jones rookie year, its not a fair comparison.

Here is what Apples to Apples really looks like...

Kyle Lauletta 2018 rookie preseason stats

17/35 47% 194 yards 1 Td 2 Int 58 QB Rating

Now Lets compare Jones rookie preseason

16/19 84% 228 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 148 QB Rating

It's not even close, Jones is outperforming him in almost every category.

Enjoy

Didn't you compare Jones to Rosen and Webb last week?
Dishonest..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/19/2019 8:30 am : link
research is the best type!!
The first fumble the other night  
Harvest Blend : 8/19/2019 9:47 am : link
is 100% forgivable and understandable. He's excited, he pulled out too fast.

We've all been there.
I'm really excited about Jones.  
Britt in VA : 8/19/2019 10:28 am : link
Loved the pick when it happened, loving it more now.
RE: I'm really excited about Jones.  
Big Blue '56 : 8/19/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14535640 Britt in VA said:
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Loved the pick when it happened, loving it more now.


You and I both know, if he truly becomes a franchise guy, you and I, along with others, will be “fighting” with naysayers for 12-15 more years..:)
RE: RE: I'm really excited about Jones.  
Britt in VA : 8/19/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14535647 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 14535640 Britt in VA said:


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Loved the pick when it happened, loving it more now.



You and I both know, if he truly becomes a franchise guy, you and I, along with others, will be “fighting” with naysayers for 12-15 more years..:)


I'll sign up for that!
RE: RE: RE: Lauletta's numbers are just as good.  
sxdxca : 8/19/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14535500 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14534719 sxdxca said:


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In comment 14534537 since1925 said:


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With no fumbles.



Your comparing Laulettas second year vs Jones rookie year, its not a fair comparison.

Here is what Apples to Apples really looks like...

Kyle Lauletta 2018 rookie preseason stats

17/35 47% 194 yards 1 Td 2 Int 58 QB Rating

Now Lets compare Jones rookie preseason

16/19 84% 228 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 148 QB Rating

It's not even close, Jones is outperforming him in almost every category.

Enjoy


Didn't you compare Jones to Rosen and Webb last week?


And just on point, the contentiousness comes out.

Your comment has nothing to do with thread or title, but just to be argumentative.

Enjoy
Ummm..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/19/2019 10:46 am : link
then what did your comment about comparing Lauletta to Jones have to do with anything?

It is the same issue as the "research" that continually gets facts wrong. Consistency. Or a glaring lack thereof
RE: Dishonest..  
sxdxca : 8/19/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14535546 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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research is the best type!!


Show specifically where there is dishonest research in this thread?

If you cannot do that, then you need to cease and desist from taking shots at me.

Cheers!
RE: Ummm..  
sxdxca : 8/19/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14535688 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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then what did your comment about comparing Lauletta to Jones have to do with anything?

It is the same issue as the "research" that continually gets facts wrong. Consistency. Or a glaring lack thereof


If you notice in the thread it was 1925 who made the comparison to Lauletta, I was answering the charge.

Honestly I have no issue with you Fatman, I'm off to work, enjoy your day...
RE: RE: RE: RE: Lauletta's numbers are just as good.  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/19/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14535674 sxdxca said:
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In comment 14535500 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14534719 sxdxca said:


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In comment 14534537 since1925 said:


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With no fumbles.



Your comparing Laulettas second year vs Jones rookie year, its not a fair comparison.

Here is what Apples to Apples really looks like...

Kyle Lauletta 2018 rookie preseason stats

17/35 47% 194 yards 1 Td 2 Int 58 QB Rating

Now Lets compare Jones rookie preseason

16/19 84% 228 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 148 QB Rating

It's not even close, Jones is outperforming him in almost every category.

Enjoy


Didn't you compare Jones to Rosen and Webb last week?



And just on point, the contentiousness comes out.

Your comment has nothing to do with thread or title, but just to be argumentative.

Enjoy

You can't possibly be this dense organically. You posted that it's a flawed comparison to use Lauletta's stats from his 2nd year rather than his first. Yet you - just the other day - compared Jones' rookie year stats to Rosen's 2nd year and Webb's 3rd.
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