is he’s not keeping up a high completion percentage by throwing all check downs, or racking up yards through big YAC passes. He’s looking to take middle range and deep shots when he has the chance, and still hitting most of them.
Sure, it will get harder as competition heats up against him in the future, but he’s off to a great start.
Jones has been incredible but those fumbles should count against him.
Yes ultimately they should count, but they don't count for any QB in the NFL or college.
But, it is something he can improve on and something he needs to be aware of.
two years in his life, part QB that has never been under center. The second one he needs to be stronger with the ball, but to be fair they had a chip and the RT took such a wide path he gave him a direct line to the QB. That is not going to happen too often. Guys screw up blocking assignments and usually the lineman are the ones that take the heat for the fumble. Bears DE just swiped at the ball practically unimpeded on his strong side, not many guys are going to hold onto that.
some difficult throws. It really can't be discounted. The crossing route was a five yard throw that would've stopped right there if not for pinpoint accuracy. I've seen Eli make that same completion for years with no YAC. This guy already looks like a better pure passer than Dak. We are going to see a lot of man coverage due to Saquon and mediocre WRs. At the very least we know he'll be able to beat that if protected. That at least makes him a starter in this league.
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I'm actually glad he had the fumbles. Gave us and the coaches a chance to see him respond to adversity in real time. He looked pissed off on the sideline and he answered the bell.
The rest is semi-meaningless. He hasn't faced a starting defense yet.
some difficult throws. It really can't be discounted. The crossing route was a five yard throw that would've stopped right there if not for pinpoint accuracy. I've seen Eli make that same completion for years with no YAC. This guy already looks like a better pure passer than Dak. We are going to see a lot of man coverage due to Saquon and mediocre WRs. At the very least we know he'll be able to beat that if protected. That at least makes him a starter in this league.
That throw to Golden is the one that's flying under the radar. It looks like an easy pitch and catch but Jones' ball placement makes that happen. He threw that on target and in stride, if that ball is off by a little, that's not a chunk play but a 4-yard catch short of the first down marker with a much longer field to navigate.
Is his placement of ball. How he handles certain situations. Ball handling. Preseason otherwise doesn't tell much , esp nowadays, with glorified practice games
can't be denied. And while geeks are quick to point out he's playing against backups, guess what? He's out there with a bunch backups on his own team, as well. Eli played against backups last night, as well. Lots of players around the league are playing against backups.
The offensive line. Give a QB time to pass from a clean pocket and his numbers will improve.
And if you watched the game, the second string offensive line also performed fairly well. Which leads me to conclude that the talent is not only better. But that the players are more comfortable in the system. They understand it better and are using it to better advantage. And that improves the QB play. It has also helped all the RBs as well. Check out their numbers.
The kid can handle pressure. The pressure to perform for him considering all the circumstances of being picked by the NYG in 2019 draft is immense. NlYou can't deny that. Jones handled it, you cannot deny that either. That matters.
Jones has thrown a few of indefensible passes. Perfect timing and accuracy. We now know he can do that. It is an absolutely necessary trait in an rlite QB. This doesn't mean he will be elite but it means he can be.
His first 2 preseason games have looked better than any of QBs drafted in the last 2 years. No cookies for that but you have to admit that it is much better than if he looked worse?
He has done all of this without SB on the field. I am going to be nothing but positive about this. I don't pass up any opportunity to look for the good in things.
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The offensive line. Give a QB time to pass from a clean pocket and his numbers will improve.
And if you watched the game, the second string offensive line also performed fairly well. Which leads me to conclude that the talent is not only better. But that the players are more comfortable in the system. They understand it better and are using it to better advantage. And that improves the QB play. It has also helped all the RBs as well. Check out their numbers.
RB numbers this preseason
Gallman 2.6 YPC
Perkins 4.4 YPC
Smith 3.37 YPC
Hilliman 3.5 YPC
Those numbers aren't great.
Baker Mayfield also fumbled on his 1st or 2nd drive I believe Â
last year against the Jets on TNF. Ball security as a QB takes some getting used to in the NFL. Pass rushers are so talented that they are able to go for the strip sack every time they get to the QB. You don't have that in college, so it takes some getting used to (Aikman alluded to this point when Mayfield had that first fumble last year). If Ball security is all he has to work on, then I think we're going to be okay. Not that it's a completely easy fix, but it is fixable. Not being able to complete passes against NFL defenses is much more difficult to fix.
Your comparing Laulettas second year vs Jones rookie year, its not a fair comparison.
Here is what Apples to Apples really looks like...
Kyle Lauletta 2018 rookie preseason stats
17/35 47% 194 yards 1 Td 2 Int 58 QB Rating
Now Lets compare Jones rookie preseason
16/19 84% 228 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 148 QB Rating
It's not even close, Jones is outperforming him in almost every category.
Enjoy
Didn't you compare Jones to Rosen and Webb last week?
And just on point, the contentiousness comes out.
Your comment has nothing to do with thread or title, but just to be argumentative.
Enjoy
You can't possibly be this dense organically. You posted that it's a flawed comparison to use Lauletta's stats from his 2nd year rather than his first. Yet you - just the other day - compared Jones' rookie year stats to Rosen's 2nd year and Webb's 3rd.
I know it's unfounded.
Jones has been incredible but those fumbles should count against him.
Sure, it will get harder as competition heats up against him in the future, but he’s off to a great start.
Eli has had a lot of TO's over his career, yet the Giants have two super bowls in that time.
Jones has been incredible but those fumbles should count against him.
Yes ultimately they should count, but they don't count for any QB in the NFL or college.
But, it is something he can improve on and something he needs to be aware of.
Even his biggest critics really liked his athleticism.
Jones has been incredible but those fumbles should count against him.
We will just blame those fumbles on the oline and the GM
~bw in dc
The rest is semi-meaningless. He hasn't faced a starting defense yet.
That throw to Golden is the one that's flying under the radar. It looks like an easy pitch and catch but Jones' ball placement makes that happen. He threw that on target and in stride, if that ball is off by a little, that's not a chunk play but a 4-yard catch short of the first down marker with a much longer field to navigate.
Your comparing Laulettas second year vs Jones rookie year, its not a fair comparison.
Here is what Apples to Apples really looks like...
Kyle Lauletta 2018 rookie preseason stats
17/35 47% 194 yards 1 Td 2 Int 58 QB Rating
Now Lets compare Jones rookie preseason
16/19 84% 228 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 148 QB Rating
It's not even close, Jones is outperforming him in almost every category.
Enjoy
KL, Tanney, and Eli's mechanics don't look as good as DJ8. Full bloom love.
And if you watched the game, the second string offensive line also performed fairly well. Which leads me to conclude that the talent is not only better. But that the players are more comfortable in the system. They understand it better and are using it to better advantage. And that improves the QB play. It has also helped all the RBs as well. Check out their numbers.
Jones has thrown a few of indefensible passes. Perfect timing and accuracy. We now know he can do that. It is an absolutely necessary trait in an rlite QB. This doesn't mean he will be elite but it means he can be.
His first 2 preseason games have looked better than any of QBs drafted in the last 2 years. No cookies for that but you have to admit that it is much better than if he looked worse?
He has done all of this without SB on the field. I am going to be nothing but positive about this. I don't pass up any opportunity to look for the good in things.
And if you watched the game, the second string offensive line also performed fairly well. Which leads me to conclude that the talent is not only better. But that the players are more comfortable in the system. They understand it better and are using it to better advantage. And that improves the QB play. It has also helped all the RBs as well. Check out their numbers.
RB numbers this preseason
Gallman 2.6 YPC
Perkins 4.4 YPC
Smith 3.37 YPC
Hilliman 3.5 YPC
Those numbers aren't great.
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With no fumbles.
Your comparing Laulettas second year vs Jones rookie year, its not a fair comparison.
Here is what Apples to Apples really looks like...
Kyle Lauletta 2018 rookie preseason stats
17/35 47% 194 yards 1 Td 2 Int 58 QB Rating
Now Lets compare Jones rookie preseason
16/19 84% 228 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 148 QB Rating
It's not even close, Jones is outperforming him in almost every category.
Enjoy
Didn't you compare Jones to Rosen and Webb last week?
We've all been there.
You and I both know, if he truly becomes a franchise guy, you and I, along with others, will be “fighting” with naysayers for 12-15 more years..:)
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Loved the pick when it happened, loving it more now.
You and I both know, if he truly becomes a franchise guy, you and I, along with others, will be “fighting” with naysayers for 12-15 more years..:)
I'll sign up for that!
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With no fumbles.
Your comparing Laulettas second year vs Jones rookie year, its not a fair comparison.
Here is what Apples to Apples really looks like...
Kyle Lauletta 2018 rookie preseason stats
17/35 47% 194 yards 1 Td 2 Int 58 QB Rating
Now Lets compare Jones rookie preseason
16/19 84% 228 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 148 QB Rating
It's not even close, Jones is outperforming him in almost every category.
Enjoy
Didn't you compare Jones to Rosen and Webb last week?
And just on point, the contentiousness comes out.
Your comment has nothing to do with thread or title, but just to be argumentative.
Enjoy
It is the same issue as the "research" that continually gets facts wrong. Consistency. Or a glaring lack thereof
Show specifically where there is dishonest research in this thread?
If you cannot do that, then you need to cease and desist from taking shots at me.
Cheers!
It is the same issue as the "research" that continually gets facts wrong. Consistency. Or a glaring lack thereof
If you notice in the thread it was 1925 who made the comparison to Lauletta, I was answering the charge.
Honestly I have no issue with you Fatman, I'm off to work, enjoy your day...
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In comment 14534537 since1925 said:
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With no fumbles.
Your comparing Laulettas second year vs Jones rookie year, its not a fair comparison.
Here is what Apples to Apples really looks like...
Kyle Lauletta 2018 rookie preseason stats
17/35 47% 194 yards 1 Td 2 Int 58 QB Rating
Now Lets compare Jones rookie preseason
16/19 84% 228 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 148 QB Rating
It's not even close, Jones is outperforming him in almost every category.
Enjoy
Didn't you compare Jones to Rosen and Webb last week?
And just on point, the contentiousness comes out.
Your comment has nothing to do with thread or title, but just to be argumentative.
Enjoy
You can't possibly be this dense organically. You posted that it's a flawed comparison to use Lauletta's stats from his 2nd year rather than his first. Yet you - just the other day - compared Jones' rookie year stats to Rosen's 2nd year and Webb's 3rd.