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Daniel Jones: Pocket Awareness

colin : 8/17/2019 7:57 pm
Hey dudes and lady-dudes. Iíve been on the road the past couple weeks and havenít been able to catch any of the preseason games, but judging from everyoneís reactions and the highlights, Daniel Jones certainly has some great tools (accuracy/ball placement, timing, arm strength, mechanics, etc).

That being said, the biggest things I was worried about with DJ was pocket awareness/feeling the rush, and working through his progressions. Having not watched the games, I was wondering if anyone could give a decent review of how heís been doing in these areas. I was only able watch the highlights, but in game one he did seem to lock in on receivers. In game 2, the strip fumble seemed to be a lack of awareness.

Again, Iím watching highlights so Iím sure thereís much more going on, was just hoping some folks could maybe break down heís doing in those 2 specific areas. Thanks in advance.
if he shows up at the next press conference with his hair slicked back  
markky : 8/17/2019 8:01 pm : link
we'll know he's completely unaware.

seriously, i think he's been quick at scanning the field and making decisions. his release seems quick and his passes are certainly accurate. what has impressed me most is his foot speed getting into his drop.

i can't speak to whether or not he feels pressure and will move around the pocket accordingly. haven't seen enough to have an opinion on that. the strip sack was the same thing Tua did in the national championship - rusher came from his visible side and he never saw him.
It has be strong  
Giantimistic : 8/17/2019 8:05 pm : link
The strip fumble is overblown from what I saw. Right at the start of the play after the snap he looks over to his right and sees that there is no blitz coming from that side and he has too players up against the one rusher. As soon as he turns his head to look down field towards the center/left that rusher is right on him. He probably assumed he had at least a second or two and not that both players would miss the rusher.

There may be a an or two who has that extra heightened sense, but this was not the one to judge him on in my opinion.
In Baldinger's breakdown of Jones,  
81_Great_Dane : 8/17/2019 8:13 pm : link
he observed that Jones thought he had two hands on the ball, but didn't really, and that helped lead to the strip-sack. That's an error he shouldn't make again.

Jones reputation for fumbling in college is worrisome though. That's something he really, REALLY can't have if he's going to reach his potential in the NFL.
He probably hasn't seen enough pressure  
ChaChing : 8/17/2019 8:16 pm : link
to judge in these games. To my inexperienced eye, in college he was decent, but it was a definite area to improve

That strip sack is hard to get on him given the blown block, tho I thought he moved fwd and sorta felt the pressure, just not urgently enough. It's splitting hairs, and just another teaching point for him, but tough to just pin on him

I was hoping to see him sprint up the middle (not that he should be running in preseason), but we haven't seen him use his legs just yet. And that's expected to be a decent part of his game tho he's not a runner
RE: In Baldinger's breakdown of Jones,  
markky : 8/17/2019 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14534436 81_Great_Dane said:
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he observed that Jones thought he had two hands on the ball, but didn't really, and that helped lead to the strip-sack. That's an error he shouldn't make again.

Jones reputation for fumbling in college is worrisome though. That's something he really, REALLY can't have if he's going to reach his potential in the NFL.


I did notice he was patting the ball a little on that play. He has to stop that.
81 I think he was a moderate fumbler in college  
ChaChing : 8/17/2019 8:22 pm : link
8 in 2017 made him tied for 14th (Darnold had 12 tied for 2nd, leader had 15) and 5 in 2018, tied for 49th. There were definitely some other 2018 QB prospects in those ranges tbf

You'd think regardless, even some improvement in protection should help a great deal, so IMO this is a wait-and-see that shouldn't be a huge problem. He did throw a fair number of picks (College FB Ref had him ranked 4 / 2 / 4 in his 3 yrs), but that might improve some for the same reason...

College Stats, QB Fumbles - ( New Window )
The fumble on the pass he needs to be stronger on the ball, but  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/17/2019 8:57 pm : link
to be fair they had a chip on that play and the RT went so wide all it did was open a wide open lane to the QB. That should not happen.
That's going to come with reps  
ron mexico : 8/17/2019 9:05 pm : link
Not worried at all
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Amazinz : 8/17/2019 9:30 pm : link
His accuracy has been f-ing impressive.

Not too worried about the fumbles since that's correctable if he's legit.
RE: In Baldinger's breakdown of Jones,  
Deejboy : 8/18/2019 12:03 am : link
In comment 14534436 81_Great_Dane said:
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he observed that Jones thought he had two hands on the ball, but didn't really, and that helped lead to the strip-sack. That's an error he shouldn't make again.

Jones reputation for fumbling in college is worrisome though. That's something he really, REALLY can't have if he's going to reach his potential in the NFL.

If you think Jones had a rep for fumbling in college and that is worrisome than Sam Darnold should never have been picked #3. He should have been a 5th round pick and will never reach his potential as a pro cause he turned the ball over a lot in college. Jones was in the middle of the pack. That isn't a rep for fumbling.
RE: RE: In Baldinger's breakdown of Jones,  
Canton : 8/18/2019 12:38 am : link
In comment 14534566 Deejboy said:
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In comment 14534436 81_Great_Dane said:


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he observed that Jones thought he had two hands on the ball, but didn't really, and that helped lead to the strip-sack. That's an error he shouldn't make again.

Jones reputation for fumbling in college is worrisome though. That's something he really, REALLY can't have if he's going to reach his potential in the NFL.


If you think Jones had a rep for fumbling in college and that is worrisome than Sam Darnold should never have been picked #3. He should have been a 5th round pick and will never reach his potential as a pro cause he turned the ball over a lot in college. Jones was in the middle of the pack. That isn't a rep for fumbling.


And middle of the pack with a god-awful line. Jones will be fine. Especially behind a line that will give him time.
Won't know until pressure come  
Breaker : 8/18/2019 7:39 am : link
In comment 14534425 markky said:
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we'll know he's completely unaware.

seriously, i think he's been quick at scanning the field and making decisions. his release seems quick and his passes are certainly accurate. what has impressed me most is his foot speed getting into his drop.

i can't speak to whether or not he feels pressure and will move around the pocket accordingly. haven't seen enough to have an opinion on that. the strip sack was the same thing Tua did in the national championship - rusher came from his visible side and he never saw him.


Kid looks excellent but given how good line has been we won't know his true awareness until he is under duress and how he responds. Day will come when O line is having a bad day and then we will see. If his college career is any indication he will be fine given his athleticism.

One thing I love about Darnold is his pocket awareness and quick moves away from pressure while keeping his eyes downfield. Jones has more straight ahead speed. Hope he has the same quick twitch moves.
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