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Eli Manning the most important Giant of all time?

Junior22 : 8/18/2019 11:08 am
I do not know if I should laugh now or later.

I can counter Lupica all day on how Eli is not a top 5 Giant of all time or important Giants of all time
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They aren’t saying he’s the best player  
dep026 : 8/18/2019 11:14 am : link
But you can make the argument he has been the most important. Just like Jetsr wasn’t the best player in many of those Yankees teams, his importance certainly stood out.
You can make a case for Eli at 2 or 3 in terms of importance  
ajr2456 : 8/18/2019 11:16 am : link
but #1 is LT.
You can argue all you want.  
section125 : 8/18/2019 11:16 am : link
Eli may not be the greatest Giant of all time - that was Lawrence Taylor - but he probably is the most important. QB is the most important position in football and maybe all of sport (well maybe the horses in horse racing may have QB beat).

I'm not the biggest Eli fan, but I can certainly see Lupica's point and probably agree with him. He was responsible for two SB wins. Only other would be Phil Simms who has one and got hurt in a 13-3 season where they did win the Super Bowl with Hostetler filling in.
RE: They aren’t saying he’s the best player  
Junior22 : 8/18/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14534756 dep026 said:
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But you can make the argument he has been the most important. Just like Jetsr wasn’t the best player in many of those Yankees teams, his importance certainly stood out.


Eli has ZERO to prove to any Giants fan or the organization. He did he job and represented the brand with honor.

But Eli is no Jeter, Jeter was always on teams in contention and Jeter till his last at bat was bringing it

Say what you will be if Eli misses playoffs this year and ends the career with a losing record and missing playoffs in 7 of 9 seasons that is going to be a huge flag. LT is by far the most important player because he made the Giants relevant and made teams change the way the played us. He was also considered the best to ever do it and has 2 rings and won MVP as a freaking defensive player
RE: You can argue all you want.  
Junior22 : 8/18/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14534761 section125 said:
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Eli may not be the greatest Giant of all time - that was Lawrence Taylor - but he probably is the most important. QB is the most important position in football and maybe all of sport (well maybe the horses in horse racing may have QB beat).

I'm not the biggest Eli fan, but I can certainly see Lupica's point and probably agree with him. He was responsible for two SB wins. Only other would be Phil Simms who has one and got hurt in a 13-3 season where they did win the Super Bowl with Hostetler filling in.


Eli was not responsible for 2 SB wins, the Giants were so if Eli is going to get the credit then nobody should be mad when he gets the blame for missing the playoffs in 7 of 9 seasons
Basing it off playoffs  
dep026 : 8/18/2019 11:19 am : link
As for as importance is stupid. Are you suggesting Eli played on as many loaded teams as Jeter?

We all know you’re a dupe/troll - but get your weak shit out of here already. He’s played more games and seasons as any other Giant. Won the most games. Won 2 SB trophies and 2 SB MVPs. Man of the year winner.

His importance on the franchise is not denied.
Eli has 2 rings and 2 SB MVP's as an offensive player  
Canton : 8/18/2019 11:19 am : link
.
Ok obviously  
dep026 : 8/18/2019 11:20 am : link
Junior22 started this thread to shit on Eli.

July 2019 troll. Awesome...
RE: RE: They aren’t saying he’s the best player  
section125 : 8/18/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14534764 Junior22 said:
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But you can make the argument he has been the most important. Just like Jetsr wasn’t the best player in many of those Yankees teams, his importance certainly stood out.



Eli has ZERO to prove to any Giants fan or the organization. He did he job and represented the brand with honor.

But Eli is no Jeter, Jeter was always on teams in contention and Jeter till his last at bat was bringing it

Say what you will be if Eli misses playoffs this year and ends the career with a losing record and missing playoffs in 7 of 9 seasons that is going to be a huge flag. LT is by far the most important player because he made the Giants relevant and made teams change the way the played us. He was also considered the best to ever do it and has 2 rings and won MVP as a freaking defensive player


How did LT play in those Super Bowls?
RE: Basing it off playoffs  
Junior22 : 8/18/2019 11:21 am : link
In comment 14534770 dep026 said:
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As for as importance is stupid. Are you suggesting Eli played on as many loaded teams as Jeter?

We all know you’re a dupe/troll - but get your weak shit out of here already. He’s played more games and seasons as any other Giant. Won the most games. Won 2 SB trophies and 2 SB MVPs. Man of the year winner.

His importance on the franchise is not denied.


So you are saying that Eli was more important that Jeter? In terms of NY sports icons?

Ok end of conversation
Oh and Jeter is not even  
section125 : 8/18/2019 11:23 am : link
the most important Yankee of all time - guy by the name of Ruth has that one covered.
Where did I say that slapnuts?  
dep026 : 8/18/2019 11:23 am : link
Christ the trolls get worse and worse by the day.
RE: Where did I say that slapnuts?  
Junior22 : 8/18/2019 11:25 am : link
In comment 14534778 dep026 said:
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Christ the trolls get worse and worse by the day.


Trolls? So a new member is going to be a troll if he does not bestow praise on your fav player of all time. I mean seriously how old are you
Being a great Giant isn't  
Diver_Down : 8/18/2019 11:27 am : link
just about being a great player. I don't know how you all turn a blind eye to a child rapist and foist LT as #1 Giant. Incredible player - yes. Despicable human - yes.

Eli unequivocally is the Greatest Giant.
RE: RE: They aren’t saying he’s the best player  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/18/2019 11:27 am : link
In comment 14534764 Junior22 said:
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But you can make the argument he has been the most important. Just like Jetsr wasn’t the best player in many of those Yankees teams, his importance certainly stood out.



Eli has ZERO to prove to any Giants fan or the organization. He did he job and represented the brand with honor.

But Eli is no Jeter, Jeter was always on teams in contention and Jeter till his last at bat was bringing it

Say what you will be if Eli misses playoffs this year and ends the career with a losing record and missing playoffs in 7 of 9 seasons that is going to be a huge flag. LT is by far the most important player because he made the Giants relevant and made teams change the way the played us. He was also considered the best to ever do it and has 2 rings and won MVP as a freaking defensive player

I wanted entitled old ass Jeter moved to outfield or DH.

But of course the Yanks were not utterly clueless and aware what would happen if you unceremoniously dump a NY sports icon for baseball's equivalent to Gino Smith.
RE: RE: Where did I say that slapnuts?  
dep026 : 8/18/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14534785 Junior22 said:
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Christ the trolls get worse and worse by the day.



Trolls? So a new member is going to be a troll if he does not bestow praise on your fav player of all time. I mean seriously how old are you


38 or about 3x older than you.
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Junior22 : 8/18/2019 11:31 am : link
In comment 14534793 dep026 said:
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Christ the trolls get worse and worse by the day.



Trolls? So a new member is going to be a troll if he does not bestow praise on your fav player of all time. I mean seriously how old are you



38 or about 3x older than you.


38 and acting like a teen girl in love with a boy band....GTFO I said Eli has nothing left to prove but any sign of Eli negativity and your feelings get hurt....Grow up and allow another person have an opinion.....We know you are a Jaded eli fan...Your opinion is irrelevant
Dep  
crick n NC : 8/18/2019 11:32 am : link
He's trying to draw you in with nonsense. Don't take the bait man.
So the whole point of this thread is to crap on Eli's legacy  
PatersonPlank : 8/18/2019 11:33 am : link
great poster
How about this junior22  
18E : 8/18/2019 11:33 am : link
Fuck off.
RE: Dep  
section125 : 8/18/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14534805 crick n NC said:
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He's trying to draw you in with nonsense. Don't take the bait man.


agree walk away - done with this thread. Keeps bring up Jeter when there are likely 4 or 5 more important Yankees all time.
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dep026 : 8/18/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14534803 Junior22 said:
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38 and acting like a teen girl in love with a boy band....GTFO I said Eli has nothing left to prove but any sign of Eli negativity and your feelings get hurt....Grow up and allow another person have an opinion.....We know you are a Jaded eli fan...Your opinion is irrelevant


Wow you know a lot for someone who joined a few weeks ago.... haha. Dupe says whaaaaaat?!?!?!

Great thread by the way. Your original statement showed what this was going to be and I was right. Can’t wait til your next gem under a new name.
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Eman11 : 8/18/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14534809 section125 said:
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He's trying to draw you in with nonsense. Don't take the bait man.



agree walk away - done with this thread. Keeps bring up Jeter when there are likely 4 or 5 more important Yankees all time.


Agreed.

As much as we all loved Jeter and acknowledge his greatness and importance, he doesn't even crack the greatest Yankees all time top five.
Big difference between Jeter and Eli  
Chip : 8/18/2019 11:41 am : link
Jeter was always surrounded by superstars and that list of superstars is very long. Eli had to suffer with bad offensive lines and terrible drafting by Reese and Ross and football is more of a team game than baseball which on offense is the batter vs the pitcher. stupid analogy
slapnuts is a dead giveaway  
Jints in Carolina : 8/18/2019 11:50 am : link
dupe.
Jeter and Eli do have one thing in common  
ajr2456 : 8/18/2019 11:57 am : link
Both occupied a critical position they weren't good enough to play anymore, made way too much money toward the end and lived off past legacy.
RE: Jeter and Eli do have one thing in common  
crick n NC : 8/18/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14534842 ajr2456 said:
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Both occupied a critical position they weren't good enough to play anymore, made way too much money toward the end and lived off past legacy.


I just don't see why you would make sure a negative point. I don't see the good in it.
RE: Jeter and Eli do have one thing in common  
dep026 : 8/18/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14534842 ajr2456 said:
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Both occupied a critical position they weren't good enough to play anymore, made way too much money toward the end and lived off past legacy.


I guess Jeters year at age 38 was lousy, right?
RE: Big difference between Jeter and Eli  
ajr2456 : 8/18/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14534824 Chip said:
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Jeter was always surrounded by superstars and that list of superstars is very long. Eli had to suffer with bad offensive lines and terrible drafting by Reese and Ross and football is more of a team game than baseball which on offense is the batter vs the pitcher. stupid analogy


To be fair, Jeter had to deal with pitching rotations comprised of Jared Wright, Kevin Brown, Javier Vazquez, Esteban Loiaza, Kei Igawa, Jose Contreras.

That's pretty comparable to the Giants oline woes.
RE: RE: Jeter and Eli do have one thing in common  
ajr2456 : 8/18/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14534846 dep026 said:
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Both occupied a critical position they weren't good enough to play anymore, made way too much money toward the end and lived off past legacy.



I guess Jeters year at age 38 was lousy, right?


What's that got to with the fact he shouldn't have been playing shortstop because he was a defensive liability?
Cause sometimes you take a few misplayed  
dep026 : 8/18/2019 12:05 pm : link
Balls in exchange for a guy who was raking all year.
And let’s get back to the important  
dep026 : 8/18/2019 12:06 pm : link
Thing.

How shitastic this thread is!!
RE: Cause sometimes you take a few misplayed  
ajr2456 : 8/18/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14534852 dep026 said:
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Balls in exchange for a guy who was raking all year.


And what about age 36,37, 39, and 40?
Ajr  
crick n NC : 8/18/2019 12:11 pm : link
Does it escape you that the initial point you brought to thread is to demean two great franchise players?

It takes effort on your part to think of and deliver such a point
RE: Ajr  
ajr2456 : 8/18/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14534859 crick n NC said:
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Does it escape you that the initial point you brought to thread is to demean two great franchise players?

It takes effort on your part to think of and deliver such a point


It's not demeaning them. I love Jeter and Eli for all they accomplished. Pointing out they both hung on too long is wrong?
It’s LT then Eli (I’ll give consideration to Parcells)  
UberAlias : 8/18/2019 12:14 pm : link
Eli was fantastic in both SB runs.
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crick n NC : 8/18/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14534862 ajr2456 said:
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Does it escape you that the initial point you brought to thread is to demean two great franchise players?

It takes effort on your part to think of and deliver such a point



It's not demeaning them. I love Jeter and Eli for all they accomplished. Pointing out they both hung on too long is wrong?


You said they have one thing in common, basically that they both sucked in the end bad enough to hurt their respective teams. That is the point you chose to bring up instead of several positive comparisons.
RE: It’s LT then Eli (I’ll give consideration to Parcells)  
ajr2456 : 8/18/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14534863 UberAlias said:
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Eli was fantastic in both SB runs.


If we're counting coaches and executives then I think it might be:

1. Parcells
2. LT
3. Young
4. Eli
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ajr2456 : 8/18/2019 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14534866 crick n NC said:
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Does it escape you that the initial point you brought to thread is to demean two great franchise players?

It takes effort on your part to think of and deliver such a point



It's not demeaning them. I love Jeter and Eli for all they accomplished. Pointing out they both hung on too long is wrong?



You said they have one thing in common, basically that they both sucked in the end bad enough to hurt their respective teams. That is the point you chose to bring up instead of several positive comparisons.


one thing is common does not mean only thing in common.
Again  
crick n NC : 8/18/2019 12:20 pm : link
It is what you chose to bring up in comparing the two players. Oh well, at this point we are beginning to run a circle of conversation.
LT is the best defensive player  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 8/18/2019 12:38 pm : link
He helped revolutionize the way football is played today. His talent allowed Parcells/Belichick the ability to think outside the box and get more creative with the way pass rushing works. LT was the MVP of the 80s Giants, a team that was a consistent threat and won 2 SBs during a stretch where the NFC was ridiculously stacked.

He also happens to be an enormous piece of shit and a despicable human being. He knows how to smile and use his football legacy to avoid being defined by what a garbage human he is, but he really is trash.

So it depends on what you mean by “Most Important Giant” and how you balance your views of LT the player and LT the man. Eli and Frank Gifford are probably the next 2 up.
RE: RE: It’s LT then Eli (I’ll give consideration to Parcells)  
section125 : 8/18/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14534867 ajr2456 said:
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Eli was fantastic in both SB runs.



If we're counting coaches and executives then I think it might be:

1. Parcells
2. LT
3. Young
4. Eli


If you are going that route, the Young replaces Parcells as Young hired Parcells.

And then what of Tim Mara who started the Giants?
I never knew that the Giants just came into the league  
Jimmy Googs : 8/18/2019 12:53 pm : link
in the 1980s...
The most important Giants of all time is...  
Milton : 8/18/2019 1:08 pm : link
Bennie Friedman. And it's not even close. Just like the most important Yankee of all time is Babe Ruth and it's not even close.
RE: You can make a case for Eli at 2 or 3 in terms of importance  
Ivan15 : 8/18/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14534760 ajr2456 said:
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but #1 is LT.


Right now, LT is #1. Eli is #2 but ask me again in February.

Optimist I am.

If Eli leads the Giants into another era of great Giants football, he moves up. Even if he is done at the end of the year.
In terms of talent, LOLNo.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/18/2019 1:14 pm : link
But in terms of importance? I'd put Eli at #2 only behind LT. Eli was around and a very important factor in both SB's of this era, just like LT was the first 2 Giants SB's. LT 1, Eli #2.
RE: RE: It’s LT then Eli (I’ll give consideration to Parcells)  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/18/2019 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14534867 ajr2456 said:
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Eli was fantastic in both SB runs.



If we're counting coaches and executives then I think it might be:

1. Parcells
2. LT
3. Young
4. Eli

It's no coincidence LT/Parcells/Belichek all came up together, could have done it without all together.
The
The greatest coaching tree, greatest coach of all time, an greatest player of all time who defined today's NFl.

Throw in mad scientist Gibbs trying to counter LT and the intertwined history Wirth Walsh WCO.
It's not even close....  
Milton : 8/18/2019 1:53 pm : link
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Most football fans today, including Giants fans, have never heard of Benny Friedman. That’s too bad because not only was Friedman one of the greatest quarterbacks ever to play in the NFL, he, in fact, revolutionized the pro game by becoming the League’s first great passer. There are only four quarterbacks with ties to the Giants in the Hall of Fame: Y.A. Tittle, Fran Tarkenton, Arnie Herber, and Benny Friedman. The two longest tenured quarterbacks with the team – Phil Simms and Charlie Conerly – are not in the Hall. Yet Friedman’s induction in 2005 went barely noticed by the media and fans. Even the Giants organization did not publicize it much.
Benny Friedman: The QB Who May Have Saved the New York Giants


And here's an archived BBI thread on Benny Friedman - ( New Window )
Lol  
Les in TO : 8/18/2019 2:35 pm : link
Needed that laugh
Funny how...  
BMac : 8/18/2019 3:14 pm : link
...Charlie Conerly's name never comes up in these shitfests.
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