This came at 1st and 10 after the Giants regained possession after the Jones turnover, at about 12.44 left in 2Q. I've seen a number of posters, including Eric@BBI, assert that he left the pass short, others said similar things in different threads, and some posited this as a weak-armed throw to the sideline sticks.
When I watched real time Friday night--and multiple replays re-watched just now confirms my original view--Jones threw that ball away, essentially into the dirt at Tate's feet, so it would be uncatchable. Joseph had tight coverage and leverage, sideline just off Tate's shoulder, and imo if Jones had thrown a catchable ball it was a possible pic if not a pic 6. I think he threw it away.
That said, Jones did not appear to look right at all, seemed to stare down Tate at the left sideline and as he did so tapped the ball two or three times, so he was a big factor in the coverage Joseph had on Tate.
So, to me, a mixed bad and bag, but not in the way some posters have characterized it.
Too, I'll reiterate a point I made on Saturday: after the strip sack, I think Shurmur made it a point of emphasis to give Jones some very high percentage completion passes, short and dump off type, to get his head straight, and Jones did. But I give kudos for Shurmur for addressing Jones' head in coaching moments.
And, I was wrong, watching it again just now: Joseph had leverage from inside out, meaning he would had the better angle on a catchable ball (and all the more reason for Jones to throw it away).
None of this is to exalt Jones' play, just to correct what I saw as erroneous takes.
As to how to assess his play, I'm with UberAlias: it's just too soon to form firm conclusions.
Yep bouncing it was the right play. Those who call it a lack of arm just want to find something to put against him.
Red flags everywhere
Now, Mdgiants, you are absolutely correct: Perkins was in the flat--Jones would have had to look off Tate and look at a flatter angle to his right--and wide open, though a S (or LB) had 'coverage' about 8 yards due south, so likely a short gain unless Perkins could have juked him.
A bit more evidence that Jones' vision/seeing the field needs work.
Red flags everywhere
Especially, when he goes 8 for 8 with a TD, after his last fumble. Bench him for 2 years.
We should expect that from a #6 Overall compared to 4th (traded up to get Nassib), 3rd and 4th rounders.
As also much noted, we haven't yet seen any controlled roll-outs and RPOs--and we may well not, given that DJ in all likelihood will not be the starter, and such plays will be designed more for the rookie than Eli, who can probably execute some but not all of Shurmur's tricks for his QBs.
But I cringed, and I bet half of 'Jints Central' did too, imagining torn soft tissue in his upper body. Can't imagine Eli making even a serious attempt at a tackle. Did DJ and Alonzo get Jabrill trophies for those?
Not exactly a throw away, if Tate made a great play on it so be it. But more concerned with getting the ball out not getting a pick, and not having intentional grounding called.
Red flags everywhere
Moron who needs to drink less
Now, Mdgiants, you are absolutely correct: Perkins was in the flat--Jones would have had to look off Tate and look at a flatter angle to his right--and wide open, though a S (or LB) had 'coverage' about 8 yards due south, so likely a short gain unless Perkins could have juked him.
A bit more evidence that Jones' vision/seeing the field needs work.
Agree. He basically threw it away because if the tight coverage and angle.
Was there some other conspiracy theory going on earlier that the throw was short therefore he has a weak arm or something?
Second strong outing throwing the ball and making decisions. Having turnovers in the preseason that you can learn from is what we want. There are going to be other mistakes and hopefully they all go to building Jones up versus the opposite.
BBI cannot help themselves sometimes