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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/18/2019 3:57 pm
FYI...
Preseason Game Review: New York Giants 32 – Chicago Bears 13 - ( New Window )
A bit disappointed in Lawrence so far.  
Mike from SI : 8/18/2019 4:11 pm : link
With all the usual caveats that it's 2 preseason games, etc. I am overjoyed with Jones, however. If he shows development this year it will make another non-competitive season easier to swallow.
"Quality offensive football took a nap"  
oldhemi : 8/18/2019 4:14 pm : link
This line made me laugh! I needed one badly, thank you SY!
I am hoping and a-praying that the OL really is as good as they looked.
If TJ Jones is the #3 or 4 while Tate is out who is the #2?  
Blue21 : 8/18/2019 4:30 pm : link
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RE: If TJ Jones is the #3 or 4 while Tate is out who is the #2?  
section125 : 8/18/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14535164 Blue21 said:
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Lattimer and Shepard 1 and 2...
RE: If TJ Jones is the #3 or 4 while Tate is out who is the #2?  
Sy'56 : 8/18/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14535164 Blue21 said:
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I think Shepard and Latimer are definitely ahead of him.

Fowler / R Shepard / Jones fight for the other snaps.

Don't forget we will see plenty of Engram split out as well
Thx for the review!  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/18/2019 4:42 pm : link
I think Connely is showing a lot of positive signs and as soon as he adjusts to the speed of the game he is going to be a keeper.

Sy': Russell Shepard  
ColHowPepper : 8/18/2019 4:47 pm : link
Is he a critical enough cog in ST play that he is safe? Because measured as WR alone, there are a roster full of guys ahead of him. Haven't even seen what/if Slayton can do.
RE: Sy': Russell Shepard  
Sy'56 : 8/18/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14535176 ColHowPepper said:
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Is he a critical enough cog in ST play that he is safe? Because measured as WR alone, there are a roster full of guys ahead of him. Haven't even seen what/if Slayton can do.


I think the staff likes the dependability he brings
Is Slayton making this team?  
Mike from SI : 8/18/2019 5:07 pm : link
Does Connely have the athletic ability to adjust to the faster game? Open questions for everyone.
got it, thanks,  
ColHowPepper : 8/18/2019 5:09 pm : link
albeit seems the WR corps is awash in dependability if nothing else. On the Lattimer catch from Jones along the far sideline (just before the fumbled snap) I thought he did a good job of masking his anticipation of when the ball was coming close to catching range, to delay the DB's head turn. But maybe the DB didn't have a shot anyway.
Connelly should be athletic enough  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/18/2019 5:10 pm : link
Faster than Josh Allen and Ximines.
Great write up Sy  
Jay on the Island : 8/18/2019 5:27 pm : link
I'm surprised that you think Latimer will get 65+ receptions this season. He has looked very good this preseason but I am always concerned when veteran WR's who haven't done much in their careers to date look great in the preseason. Are they just late bloomers or are they just feasting on younger less talented DB's?

As Sy mentioned TJ Jones appears to be a great find by the FO and he has looked very good since signing. I feel much better about the receiving corps than I did a month ago. Fowler, Jones, and Latimer all bring something different to the table.

Now let's hope that Slayton gets plenty of time over the final two preseason game and becomes a dependable deep threat for the offense.
Sy' may be correct about Tanney but I hope  
shyster : 8/18/2019 5:31 pm : link
they keep Lauletta. I think he is showing enough and would hate to waste the draft pick.

Slayton is absolutely making the team unless he drops every pass thrown to him the next two weeks.

With the concussion news about Tate, went back and watched him on every play to see if I could see what happened. Couldn't tell for sure, although there was one play on the first series of downs where he blocked and put his head down to the turf funny before he got up.

Tate played four series; had the one catch for five yards from Eli and the one underthrow incomplete to the sideline from Jones. Didn't seem as though anything was affecting him physically, but he wasn't exactly jumping off the screen as someone you'd want to pay a lot of money when you already have a slot receiver.
Personally  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/18/2019 5:32 pm : link
I thought the 3rd QB race got a bit tighter this week. I thought Tanney looked sharper last week. But he was shakier this week.
Not sure I have ever seen this before  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/18/2019 5:36 pm : link
-P Riley Dixon: 3 Punts – 40.3 avg / 45.3 net < the net being higher than the gross. I think it is accurate but unlikely.
I love Sy's reviews because it tempers the giddiness and lofty  
Giants61 : 8/18/2019 5:40 pm : link
expectations of us mere fans
RE: Connelly should be athletic enough  
Mike from SI : 8/18/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14535200 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Faster than Josh Allen and Ximines.


Well, speed in shorts at the combine does not equal speed on the field. But I hope you're right.
RE: Not sure I have ever seen this before  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/18/2019 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14535217 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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-P Riley Dixon: 3 Punts – 40.3 avg / 45.3 net < the net being higher than the gross. I think it is accurate but unlikely.


I had to check that too... it's accurate. I think because the one returner ran backwards.
There's the factor of upside. Even if Tanney's a little better,  
Ira : 8/18/2019 5:51 pm : link
Lauletta could get the roster spot. The same could happen for Slayton over a more experienced receiver.
RE: Personally  
Jay on the Island : 8/18/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14535215 Eric from BBI said:
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I thought the 3rd QB race got a bit tighter this week. I thought Tanney looked sharper last week. But he was shakier this week.

Tanney played surprisingly well against the Jets. Well enough where I was actually excited to see how the competition with Lauletta would play out. He wasn't as good against the Bears but hopefully they both finish strong. At the moment I would still keep Lauletta over Tanney as I still believe that no team would sign Tanney if he were released.

I think Lauletta has played well enough where another team would claim him on waivers to serve as their #3 QB if the Giants attempted to stash him on the practice squad. That's assuming he continues to play well over the final two preseason games.
Jay on the Island  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/18/2019 6:03 pm : link
If the Giants had to play one of these two in 2019, Tanney is the better option.

That being said, who is the better option beyond 2019? My guess is Lauletta.

If Jones is the #2, I'm not sure keeping Tanney (the 2019 version of Jeff Rutledge) makes much sense.
RE: Jay on the Island  
Mike from SI : 8/18/2019 6:14 pm : link
In comment 14535243 Eric from BBI said:
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If the Giants had to play one of these two in 2019, Tanney is the better option.

That being said, who is the better option beyond 2019? My guess is Lauletta.

If Jones is the #2, I'm not sure keeping Tanney (the 2019 version of Jeff Rutledge) makes much sense.


Also, isn't it more likely a team would scoop Lauletta off the practice squad versus Alex Tanney?
Great stuff Sy!  
BigBlueShock : 8/18/2019 6:29 pm : link
You’re the best. I do however completely disagree with you about Barkley needing snaps. I don’t think getting 6 or 7 snaps is going to be the difference of him coming in ready to go and needing a week or two to “shake off the rust”. By all accounts, he looks anything but rusty in camp. He’s a RB, they need to limit the amount of abuse he takes any chance they can. IMO, the risk far outweighs the reward as far as getting him a few touches in a meaningless game. He is a pros pro. He will be ready to roll week 1. I wouldn’t let him anywhere near the field these next two weeks.
Thanks for the write up Sy...  
DonQuixote : 8/18/2019 6:36 pm : link
don't agree on Tanney/Lauletta though...

If I was just watching last night, I would take Lauletta, then there is the fact that he is just in his second year and may have both value and upside.

I think it will be Manning Jones Lauletta, then Jones Lauletta next year.

Josh Allen-Ryan Connelly  
jacob12 : 8/18/2019 6:36 pm : link
Allen is faster and Josh is much taller, heavier, and longer than Ryan Connelly. Allen is 6-5-262 and he ran a 4.63 40-yard dash at the NFL combine. Josh has very long arms. Connelly is 6-2-242 and he ran a 4.66 40-yard dash at the NFL combine. Ryan has short arms. Allen's size-speed ratio is far superior to Connelly's.
Tanney  
Marty866b : 8/18/2019 6:46 pm : link
IMO, didn't play well against the Bears. Threw a terrible pick on 1st and goal from the one and also threw a deep pass down the middle against triple coverage that should have easily been picked. I'd stick with Lauletta. He MIGHT get better with more experience. Tanney has been around and I don't see the reason to keep the older quarterback on THIS team.
Sy'56...  
M.S. : 8/18/2019 6:55 pm : link

...very much appreciate your thoughtful, informative write-up. A really good read, especially when the Giants are playing well.

One very small quibble regarding Lorenzo Carter, who received one of your STUDS award.

Check out the video at the 41 second mark.

The Bears had Third & One and ran wide to the right. Carter got blown up by a double team but you can see that it is really just one Bears player, rookie TE Dax Raymond (#46) who kicks his ass all the way down the field. Maybe Carter is still being blocked as I write this.

In any event, this is the one thing that scares me about Carter. Can he set the edge, hold his ground, turn a run back to the inside?

Giants - Bears Highlights - ( New Window )
RE: Great stuff Sy!  
Sy'56 : 8/18/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14535258 BigBlueShock said:
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You’re the best. I do however completely disagree with you about Barkley needing snaps. I don’t think getting 6 or 7 snaps is going to be the difference of him coming in ready to go and needing a week or two to “shake off the rust”. By all accounts, he looks anything but rusty in camp. He’s a RB, they need to limit the amount of abuse he takes any chance they can. IMO, the risk far outweighs the reward as far as getting him a few touches in a meaningless game. He is a pros pro. He will be ready to roll week 1. I wouldn’t let him anywhere near the field these next two weeks.


Completely understand and respect your opinion!
RE: Sy'56...  
Sy'56 : 8/18/2019 7:41 pm : link
In comment 14535268 M.S. said:
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...very much appreciate your thoughtful, informative write-up. A really good read, especially when the Giants are playing well.

One very small quibble regarding Lorenzo Carter, who received one of your STUDS award.

Check out the video at the 41 second mark.

The Bears had Third & One and ran wide to the right. Carter got blown up by a double team but you can see that it is really just one Bears player, rookie TE Dax Raymond (#46) who kicks his ass all the way down the field. Maybe Carter is still being blocked as I write this.

In any event, this is the one thing that scares me about Carter. Can he set the edge, hold his ground, turn a run back to the inside? Giants - Bears Highlights - ( New Window )


Absolutely right, MS. I do have a game-note on Carter failing to seal the outside on that run. He doesn't have great contact presence right now, as the stoutness isn't there and he also plays high.
RE: Jay on the Island  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/18/2019 8:06 pm : link
In comment 14535243 Eric from BBI said:
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If the Giants had to play one of these two in 2019, Tanney is the better option.

That being said, who is the better option beyond 2019? My guess is Lauletta.

If Jones is the #2, I'm not sure keeping Tanney (the 2019 version of Jeff Rutledge) makes much sense.


Neither one of these guys is going to be a factor this year. If its at all close, they should go with Lauletta and hope he develops. Guys like Tanney are a dime a dozen, although usually a bit more expensive and we only have on a two year contract. Decent chance Laulleta can become a comp pick as well with how much QBs make if he shows any potential. Weird worrying about a backup QB considering its almost a certainty they'll play at some point without the Ironman under center.
Mike  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/18/2019 8:16 pm : link
re: practice squad, yes, I think so.
RE: Jay on the Island  
Diver_Down : 8/18/2019 8:39 pm : link
In comment 14535243 Eric from BBI said:
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If the Giants had to play one of these two in 2019, Tanney is the better option.

That being said, who is the better option beyond 2019? My guess is Lauletta.

If Jones is the #2, I'm not sure keeping Tanney (the 2019 version of Jeff Rutledge) makes much sense.


I think you guys are overlooking the intangibles that aren't seen on the field. Tanney has been praised by Shurmur for what he brings to the QB room. We have seen DJ in action, but there is more than catching a snap in the shotgun and tossing to the first read. While Eli will help answer questions, his main focus will be preparing for the weekly opponent and knowing the game plan. Tanney is a viable back-up, but he also can assist DJ in how to breakdown opponent's film. I think KL is odd man out.
Lets not forget  
Sy'56 : 8/18/2019 9:09 pm : link
The Lauletta arrest from last year.

Not a big deal, but its a strike against him and I think the backups are at least partially dependent on the desire for the best support cast for DJ as possible.
RE: RE: Jay on the Island  
DonQuixote : 8/18/2019 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14535336 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14535243 Eric from BBI said:


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If the Giants had to play one of these two in 2019, Tanney is the better option.

That being said, who is the better option beyond 2019? My guess is Lauletta.

If Jones is the #2, I'm not sure keeping Tanney (the 2019 version of Jeff Rutledge) makes much sense.



I think you guys are overlooking the intangibles that aren't seen on the field. Tanney has been praised by Shurmur for what he brings to the QB room. We have seen DJ in action, but there is more than catching a snap in the shotgun and tossing to the first read. While Eli will help answer questions, his main focus will be preparing for the weekly opponent and knowing the game plan. Tanney is a viable back-up, but he also can assist DJ in how to breakdown opponent's film. I think KL is odd man out.


Yes of course. I can't see those things. To me Lauletta makes more sense but I am not going to say I know more than the coaches...
RE: Lets not forget  
Diver_Down : 8/18/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14535366 Sy'56 said:
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The Lauletta arrest from last year.

Not a big deal, but its a strike against him and I think the backups are at least partially dependent on the desire for the best support cast for DJ as possible.


This off-season DG had said that it is hard to count on someone who can't be on time. Remember the precursor to the arrest was that he was late earlier in the week. 2x in the same week, Kyle did his best speedracer impersonation.
RE: Jay on the Island  
ColHowPepper : 8/18/2019 9:50 pm : link
In comment 14535336 Diver_Down said:
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I I think you guys are overlooking the intangibles that aren't seen on the field. Tanney has been praised by Shurmur for what he brings to the QB room. We have seen DJ in action, but there is more than catching a snap in the shotgun and tossing to the first read. While Eli will help answer questions, his main focus will be preparing for the weekly opponent and knowing the game plan. Tanney is a viable back-up, but he also can assist DJ in how to breakdown opponent's film.
Yes. Over the course of the spring and camp, DJ has been asked at least three times for print consumption how he has found, has been benefitting from Eli's mentoring: in each case, Jones has named Tanney first and foremost, then the room, then, almost in passing, Eli
I think Tanney to the practice squad has been the plan all along.  
Ivan15 : 8/18/2019 10:18 pm : link
Lauletta will stay or go but not to the practice squad.

Tanney has made it to the practice squad throughout his career because the Coaches see him as a valuable piece of the team. If he performs well the Giants will do him a favor by releasing him so he can be picked up as a #3 QB. And if he isn’t picked up, the Giants will welcome him to the practice squad where he can manage the scout team and mentor Jones. Tanney will be a coach somewhere when he retires.
tanney might not be eligible  
Platos : 8/19/2019 10:45 am : link
for practice squad. this is his 4th year
I don't think the Giants aren't going to win any games  
GeofromNJ : 8/19/2019 11:38 am : link
with either Tanney or Lauletta. Seems to me, it makes no difference which one is released or moved to the practice sqaud. Obviously some Giants fans hope that Lauletta could be developed and then traded for value, but I would be surprised (and pleasantly so) if that were to happen. Gettleman apparently sees something of value in Lauletta. If he's right, then I'm wrong and kudos to our general manager.
RE: got it, thanks,  
HomerJones45 : 8/19/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14535196 ColHowPepper said:
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albeit seems the WR corps is awash in dependability if nothing else. On the Lattimer catch from Jones along the far sideline (just before the fumbled snap) I thought he did a good job of masking his anticipation of when the ball was coming close to catching range, to delay the DB's head turn. But maybe the DB didn't have a shot anyway.
The WR corp is awash in has beens, never wusses and suck and apparently there is nothing coming out of the draft or free agency or we would not be playing cast off vets.

Please with Latimer; he's a 5 year vet who has caught 46 passes in his career. He is no good and the fact that he is getting extensive playing time in preseason games is an indictment of the rookies in camp.
I have to agree with the pessimistic view on Latimer  
widmerseyebrow : 8/19/2019 12:45 pm : link
He's a guy that's always had the really intriguing physical tools, but he's never caught more than 19 passes in a season. All that despite being a relatively high draft pick (2nd round) that Denver wanted to get more involved. Projecting 60+ catches...I mean I get that we've got to throw it to somebody, but that might be a stretch.
Great review as always .  
Bluesbreaker : 8/19/2019 2:02 pm : link
I have no problem giving Barkley a few touches and I am
sure he is chomping at the bit to get out there .
Carter will improve and learn to set the edge better .
he has some great tools to work with . Guys like Banks
and Van Pelt were all pro at setting the edge he is not quite there yet . Jake Ceresna was very disruptive late in the game
Lattimer picked up where he left off last season hope he has
a healthy year .
Think the choice between Tanney or Lauletta  
TMS : 8/19/2019 2:08 pm : link
will be a tough one. Both are well regarded as back up possibilities and QB discussion room positives. Seems Lauletta has turned the corner on the field lately and Tanney is still Tanney. The decision making group were very high on Lauletta when he was drafted for his potential. He fell back after that but think he is coming back now in the opinions of those that matter. we will see.
Will Tate stop getting reps  
jestersdead : 8/19/2019 2:33 pm : link
with the 1st team before the season starts? Wouldn't it beneficial to get guys fighting for roster spots more reps over a guy who will miss the first month of the season?
RE: Will Tate stop getting reps  
Diver_Down : 8/19/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14536037 jestersdead said:
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with the 1st team before the season starts? Wouldn't it beneficial to get guys fighting for roster spots more reps over a guy who will miss the first month of the season?


Golden Tate is in the concussion protocol. I don't know if he has tested out of it.
RE: RE: Will Tate stop getting reps  
Diver_Down : 8/19/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14536042 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14536037 jestersdead said:


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with the 1st team before the season starts? Wouldn't it beneficial to get guys fighting for roster spots more reps over a guy who will miss the first month of the season?



Golden Tate is in the concussion protocol. I don't know if he has tested out of it.


Scratch that. Just read through the Monday practice tweets and Golden is taking part. So it must not have been too bad of a concussion.
Golden taking part in practice today is  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2019 3:45 pm : link
WR Brittan Golden
It does get cornfusing  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2019 3:54 pm : link
WRs Brittan Golden and Golden Tate
WRs Sterling Shepard, Russell Shepard, and Alonzo Russell
WR Darius Slayton and DT Chris Slayton

WR TJ Jones and QB D Jones

two 47s CJ Conrad and LB Alec Ogletree (used to be Jake Carlock's number)


two 48s TE Jake Powell and LB Josiah Tauaefa


All the double names are annoying  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/19/2019 4:41 pm : link
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RE: Golden taking part in practice today is  
Diver_Down : 8/19/2019 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14536091 gidiefor said:
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WR Brittan Golden


So Tate is still in protocol?
RE: Great review as always .  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/20/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14535997 Bluesbreaker said:
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I have no problem giving Barkley a few touches and I am
sure he is chomping at the bit to get out there .
Carter will improve and learn to set the edge better .
he has some great tools to work with . Guys like Banks
and Van Pelt were all pro at setting the edge he is not quite there yet . Jake Ceresna was very disruptive late in the game
Lattimer picked up where he left off last season hope he has
a healthy year .

0 touches for Barkley, RB wear and tear is a thing. Plus he did fine missing almost all of preseason and Aug training.
RE: I have to agree with the pessimistic view on Latimer  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/20/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14535910 widmerseyebrow said:
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He's a guy that's always had the really intriguing physical tools, but he's never caught more than 19 passes in a season. All that despite being a relatively high draft pick (2nd round) that Denver wanted to get more involved. Projecting 60+ catches...I mean I get that we've got to throw it to somebody, but that might be a stretch.

I'm buying Latimer. As long as he's healthy. I dont think hes a #cathes guy, moere a big play receiver 17 ypc guy. Love the fact we finally have WRs that can break arm tackles and win contested catches, unlike the lightweights Reese liked to collect for years.
For some reason im intrigued  
Now Mike in MD : 8/20/2019 11:26 am : link
By ohagan. I saw a couple run blocks where he wiped a guy out and he looked stout in pass pro. Any thoughts on him Sy?
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