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One more thing I'd like to see from Jones, ...

jcp56 : 8/18/2019 7:38 pm
that I doubt we will see in the preseason is how he handles cold, windy and/or rainy conditions.

I think he's checked all the boxes (using the Coach's term) so far and has looked excellent. I wonder if the Meadowlands winds will cause him any problems.

Maybe we should build a dome. :)
Yes  
Jolly Blue Giant : 8/18/2019 7:41 pm : link
I was thinking that too. Not having a rocket for an arm will be a disadvantage there. However, his ability to tuck the ball and run for a 1st down should be a huge asset in the cold and wind.
He hasn’t run yet  
mattlawson : 8/18/2019 7:44 pm : link
I wonder when we’re going to see his wheels
No reason  
MookGiants : 8/18/2019 7:47 pm : link
for him to run in meaningless games. We know he can move well but last thing I want, what is hopefully our future franchise QB, doing is running and getting hit in a meaningless game.
He throws such a tight spiral, it shouldn't be a big issue.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/18/2019 7:47 pm : link
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I was thinking the exact same thing  
ron mexico : 8/18/2019 7:48 pm : link
Those touch passes may not look so pretty in November and December.

I'm sure he will get some throws outside in the practice field but I hope he also gets a legitimate amount of reps in real games as well.
imho I see No problem  
gtt350 : 8/18/2019 7:48 pm : link
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RE: He throws such a tight spiral, it shouldn't be a big issue.  
ron mexico : 8/18/2019 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14535297 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Yes, good mechanics and a nice ball should help
As in baseball  
Stan in LA : 8/18/2019 8:11 pm : link
High spin rates are important.
What really needs to happen  
sxdxca : 8/18/2019 8:21 pm : link
For him to make his next progression. Is they need to get him out of shotgun, and start getting him under center, so they can incorporate play action.

They only ran one play action pass from Jones week 1. Week 2 everything was in shotgun. That's not gonna cut it against real NFL defenses.

Too predictable, time to start mixing it up, I know he can do it.

RE: RE: He throws such a tight spiral, it shouldn't be a big issue.  
Blue21 : 8/18/2019 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14535300 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14535297 Zeke's Alibi said:


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Yes, good mechanics and a nice ball should help


Yep. I've yet to see him throw a duck.
RE: What really needs to happen  
Diver_Down : 8/18/2019 9:02 pm : link
In comment 14535321 sxdxca said:
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For him to make his next progression. Is they need to get him out of shotgun, and start getting him under center, so they can incorporate play action.

They only ran one play action pass from Jones week 1. Week 2 everything was in shotgun. That's not gonna cut it against real NFL defenses.

Too predictable, time to start mixing it up, I know he can do it.


That is incorrect. The first pass play from under center in week 2 was when the OL was subbed out. The first play of the series, DJ threw incomplete.

But the point is that the quick strikes from the shotgun are good to build rhythm and confidence, but Shurmur needs to turn the screw and complicate the plays. Runs some play action, straight drop-back, roll-outs, etc.

When the season starts, DJ won't get any reps with the 1's. Eli will get all the snaps as he prepares for each week's game. The remaining weeks of preseason is DJ's time to dive into the deep end of the pool.
DJ's All Plays from Week 2 Thread - ( New Window )
While Duke is not a cold weather school  
justafan : 8/18/2019 9:03 pm : link
it's not southern California either. He played in college games in cold weather areas. He threw 4 TDs against Pitt in late October. The high that day was 44 degrees. He probably played in as many cold-weather games as Eli did in college.
The new stadium  
fireitup77 : 8/18/2019 9:09 pm : link
Is not nearly as windy as the old one. That combined with climate change has brought the number of cold windy days to a minimum.
RE: The new stadium  
ron mexico : 8/18/2019 9:40 pm : link
In comment 14535364 fireitup77 said:
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Is not nearly as windy as the old one. That combined with climate change has brought the number of cold windy days to a minimum.


I've been at some miserable games in the new stadium, the wind doesn't seem any better than the old one. That open louver design really lets in a lot of cold air

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Tuckrule : 8/19/2019 5:23 am : link
Lmao I love it. “Open louver design” its like a huge Hvac system
RE: The new stadium  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/19/2019 8:16 am : link
In comment 14535364 fireitup77 said:
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Is not nearly as windy as the old one. That combined with climate change has brought the number of cold windy days to a minimum.

Weather in the NE is milder nowadays, warmer snowier winters and not blazing hot summers (although this year was an exception). One factor that allows noodle arm man boobs Brady to thrive in NE. Likely related to changes in the Gulf sream.
RE: What really needs to happen  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/19/2019 8:22 am : link
In comment 14535321 sxdxca said:
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For him to make his next progression. Is they need to get him out of shotgun, and start getting him under center, so they can incorporate play action.

They only ran one play action pass from Jones week 1. Week 2 everything was in shotgun. That's not gonna cut it against real NFL defenses.

Too predictable, time to start mixing it up, I know he can do it.


Why do you keep distorting facts to make a point? A couple weeks ago you said the Giants were in shotgun 90% of the time in the first half of last season, which was incorrect.

Now you are misrepresenting how many times Jones was under center. He was under center on at least one of the pass plays in the second game. If you really are tracking such things to make a point - you should get that right.

And then you wonder why people mock the "research" bullshit. It is because none of your conclusions can be trusted.
RE: RE: What really needs to happen  
crick n NC : 8/19/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14535537 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14535321 sxdxca said:


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For him to make his next progression. Is they need to get him out of shotgun, and start getting him under center, so they can incorporate play action.

They only ran one play action pass from Jones week 1. Week 2 everything was in shotgun. That's not gonna cut it against real NFL defenses.

Too predictable, time to start mixing it up, I know he can do it.




Why do you keep distorting facts to make a point? A couple weeks ago you said the Giants were in shotgun 90% of the time in the first half of last season, which was incorrect.

Now you are misrepresenting how many times Jones was under center. He was under center on at least one of the pass plays in the second game. If you really are tracking such things to make a point - you should get that right.

And then you wonder why people mock the "research" bullshit. It is because none of your conclusions can be trusted.


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RE: He hasn’t run yet  
NYG007 : 8/19/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14535294 mattlawson said:
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I wonder when we’re going to see his wheels


I am 100% confident Shurmur has told him "Do not run in the pre season. Do not risk it. Go through your progressions and check down/throw it away."
It’s his running ability.  
Giant John : 8/19/2019 12:32 pm : link
They have a leash on him now but wait and see how that opens things up.
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