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Antonio Brown leaves camp AGAIN

Jolly Blue Giant : 8/18/2019 8:21 pm
And this time Mike Mayok have given him an ultimatum. What a mess.
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He's not being traded folks  
ZogZerg : 8/18/2019 8:57 pm : link
please stop
Mental Illness  
DonQuixote : 8/18/2019 9:00 pm : link
is not funny. Nor is impairment ...

I wish AB the best working through things.
RE: In the unlikely event AB is on the market,  
justafan : 8/18/2019 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14535340 81_Great_Dane said:
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would you even want him on the Giants at this point? Would any other team want him? I mean, that helmet issue isn't going away, so that has to be resolved. His feet seem to be fucked up; he has to be able to practice and play.

A mess for sure.


I like our new team first team.
Is this all for entertainment purposes for Hard  
eric2425ny : 8/18/2019 9:09 pm : link
Knocks on HBO? I have no idea if or when they stop filming that show but it sure seems like this may be the case. I mean most star players barely play in preseason anyway so why not make a spectacle of it to draw an audience. Just a conspiracy theory.
RE: He's not being traded folks  
FStubbs : 8/18/2019 9:19 pm : link
In comment 14535356 ZogZerg said:
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please stop


Who would trade for him? If the Raiders called me and asked how I could make an Antonio Brown trade happen, I would literally say I want Brown and a 3rd round pick, and you get nothing.

His value is literally below zero at the moment.
RE: Mental Illness  
Britt in VA : 8/18/2019 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14535358 DonQuixote said:
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is not funny. Nor is impairment ...

I wish AB the best working through things.


Best post on the subject. It's not funny at this point.
Why would there be a cap hit?  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/18/2019 9:22 pm : link
If he refuses to wear the helmet they should be able withhold his pay. Good luck on Brown getting paid if refuses to wear the helmet. And leaving camp they can and should fine him

Funny part is Brownís contract isnít the worst the Raiders have on the books. That would be Grudenís.
Iím wondering if he really just wants to skip  
mfsd : 8/18/2019 9:23 pm : link
most of training camp
RE: Iím wondering if he really just wants to skip  
Ryan : 8/18/2019 9:32 pm : link
In comment 14535376 mfsd said:
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most of training camp


That's my thought and this helmet thing is just a cover.

If he suddenly shows up week 1 hitting on all cylinders then it probably cements it.
RE: .  
rdt288 : 8/18/2019 9:38 pm : link
In comment 14535343 Danny Kanell said:
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This is such a bizarre story. The Raiders have no say in this yet heís hurting the team out of spite.

You canít win with guys like this. Just cut bait and move on. What a lunatic.


Exactly this. You cannot win w guys like this on your team
The same franchise paid draft picks for  
MetsAreBack : 8/18/2019 9:40 pm : link
Martavis Bryant too.

mayock is really coming across as Matt Millen reincarnated. Itís not fair or true (yet) but he needs Better PR than this
I hope that he gets help  
Chris in San Diego : 8/18/2019 9:46 pm : link
And never plays another down. What's he 30 years old? He's taken like a million hits already.
RE: Mental Illness  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2019 9:54 pm : link
In comment 14535358 DonQuixote said:
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is not funny. Nor is impairment ...

I wish AB the best working through things.


The assumption here is that Brown has a mental illness. He could just be angling to get out of practice or wanting to put attention on himself.

It's sort of like assuming the Khardashian's have mental illness just because they hog the spotlight.
The NFL changed the goalposts on him  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/18/2019 9:58 pm : link
I'd be mad too in his position. By all accounts he complied with the results of the arbitration, and the NFL added a new hurdle
RE: The NFL changed the goalposts on him  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14535398 Sneakers O'toole said:
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I'd be mad too in his position. By all accounts he complied with the results of the arbitration, and the NFL added a new hurdle


He's allowed to wear that same model helmet. He just can't wear the same one he has been for 10 years. That isn't an unreasonable rule and he isn't the only one impacted.

The only thing I learned from all of this is that a player can switch teams and apparently still demand to wear his old equipment. What's next, getting pissed because he can't play with Ben's balls?
RE: RE: Mental Illness  
MetsAreBack : 8/18/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14535394 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14535358 DonQuixote said:


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is not funny. Nor is impairment ...

I wish AB the best working through things.



The assumption here is that Brown has a mental illness. He could just be angling to get out of practice or wanting to put attention on himself.

It's sort of like assuming the Khardashian's have mental illness just because they hog the spotlight.


Could be true.

The reality is the nfl has created a model where even mediocre QBs deserve apparently to be paid 30 million plus a year and every other position goes year to year, not protected by rules/fines/injury, at maybe a 6th of that

Painful to watch this train wreck coming - but I canít get on any non QB for looking out for number 1 at all times until this gets fixed
Fatman  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/18/2019 10:07 pm : link
He complied with that. He has several newer ones, including one made in 2014.
He did what was asked of him  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/18/2019 10:08 pm : link
.
He keeps trying to use...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2019 10:12 pm : link
helmets that haven't passed testing:

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And so Brown embarked on a search for Schutt AiR Advantage helmets less than 10 years old. He found ďa fewĒ that had been made in 2010. Eventually, he found one that had been made in 2014, for a film.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the NFL found its own 2011 version of the Schutt AiR Advantage, the NFL tested it on Thursday and Friday, and it did not pass. The NFL believes that any/all Schutt AiR Advantage helmets made within the last 10 years would also not pass.

Brownís camp insists that the Raiders said on Monday night that, if Brown finds a Schutt AiR Advantage made within the last 10 years and if NOCSAE recertifies it, Brown would be permitted to wear the helmet in practices and games.


Bottom line is he doesn't want to wait for the certification process and he thinks he can just grab any model of that helmet and use it. He's picked out one used in a film???
Is someone else bothering you because they are different?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/18/2019 10:12 pm : link
Round emí up. You know the drill...
You seem..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/18/2019 10:15 pm : link
perfectly fine to continue to show off to the board that you are fucking useless and now it has degraded to following me from thread to thread?

I'm more than happy to let the rest of the posters see your fucking one-line shenanigans.

At least bring something, anything to the table. How many other people besides dep, arc and myself are you going to stalk like a mangy puppy?
The NFL  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/18/2019 10:16 pm : link
independently subjected the model line to a test. They moved the goalpost.
Brown isn't worth it  
uconngiant : 8/18/2019 11:07 pm : link
I feel for Mayock and get why I stated what he did. It's time for Brown to get off the pot or just retire
I'm starting to buy the theory that Brown  
bceagle05 : 8/18/2019 11:49 pm : link
hasn't been right since Burfict destroyed him in that playoff game.
RE: The same franchise paid draft picks for  
Big Rick in FL : 8/19/2019 5:55 am : link
In comment 14535386 MetsAreBack said:
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Martavis Bryant too.

mayock is really coming across as Matt Millen reincarnated. Itís not fair or true (yet) but he needs Better PR than this


Mayock has very little say in Raiders moves. This is Gruden. So was Martavis. So was trading away Mack.
RE: You seem..  
arcarsenal : 8/19/2019 7:04 am : link
In comment 14535415 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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perfectly fine to continue to show off to the board that you are fucking useless and now it has degraded to following me from thread to thread?

I'm more than happy to let the rest of the posters see your fucking one-line shenanigans.

At least bring something, anything to the table. How many other people besides dep, arc and myself are you going to stalk like a mangy puppy?


He has this strange need to provide a daily temperature check of other posters' psyches. His posting almost never has anything to do with the topic - but instead, he goes from thread to thread evaluating how everyone is responding or pointing out that in his mind, posters are handling themselves in some sort of disagreeable manner.

Strange behavior indeed. Not really sure what the endgame is. I guess he's on a mission to fix the "self-concept issue" BBI has one poster at a time.
RE: The NFL  
section125 : 8/19/2019 7:07 am : link
In comment 14535416 Sneakers O'toole said:
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independently subjected the model line to a test. They moved the goalpost.


How is independently testing the helmet moving the goalpost? Who does the safety test is irrelevant. The helmet either meets the required standards or it does not.
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arcarsenal : 8/19/2019 7:09 am : link
In any event - it's not my place to speculate on AB's mental state, as I'm not anywhere near close enough to him to really have any idea.

But his behavior has been incredibly distracting and it's just one thing after another. The guy has yet to play a single snap in a Raiders uniform and yet, he's been a story throughout almost all of camp thus far for all the wrong reasons.

Players like this are exhausting. I imagine the Raiders are already getting pretty tired of it based on Mayock's comments.

He's a phenomenal talent... but is all of this nonsense worth it?
There are two pertinent opinions as I see it:  
Big Blue '56 : 8/19/2019 7:29 am : link
1-If heís mentally impaired, thereís nothing to make fun of or be disparaging towards. I wish him well.

2-If itís not mentally-related, he could indeed be angling to miss training camp
Mayock's ultimatum  
bc4life : 8/19/2019 7:34 am : link
is a message for the rest of the team, as much as it is for AB.
In all likelihood...  
bw in dc : 8/19/2019 7:36 am : link
this isnít a mental health issue.

Itís SIJAS. Self Involved Jack Ass Syndrome.

And a lot of Drew Rosenhausís clients seem to have it. TO, Ocho, Plaxico, McCoy, Flowers, etc.
RE: It appears  
Tuckrule : 8/19/2019 7:38 am : link
In comment 14535348 BigBlueShock said:
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That ten year old now non compliant helmet that heís fighting so hard to keep has gotten his brain scrambled. Heís a mental wreck.


Or heís just mentally unstable and has been for his entire life. Mental illness is a real thing doesnít just come from CTE
The disturbed posters on this thread are better off  
Jimmy Googs : 8/19/2019 7:53 am : link
reserving their usual disdain and judgment. No matter the facts, itís in poor taste.
RE: The disturbed posters on this thread are better off  
arcarsenal : 8/19/2019 7:59 am : link
In comment 14535521 Jimmy Googs said:
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reserving their usual disdain and judgment. No matter the facts, itís in poor taste.


Take your own advice, hoss. No one needs your armchair mental evaluations here.
Just yours  
Jimmy Googs : 8/19/2019 8:05 am : link
hoss.
Like mayock  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/19/2019 8:11 am : link
Chucky is bemusing, but this is what you get for trading for Brown. At the time it was a steal.

You didn't have to be Kreskin to see this wouldn't end well.
Iím thinking the next NFL contract needs to be with  
Spider56 : 8/19/2019 8:44 am : link
METV.
Agree with BW (holy shit)  
UConn4523 : 8/19/2019 9:00 am : link
this whole quick to label everyone mentally ill is a bizarre phenomenon. His an attention whore asshole, has been for years. He also had a legit gripe and isnít happy with the result.
If he messed up his  
Les in TO : 8/19/2019 9:07 am : link
Feet permanently at the cryotherapy, could the raiders withhold his salary nd bonus and cut him without penalty?
Somebody here last week said they knew somebody in the Raiders....  
Britt in VA : 8/19/2019 9:36 am : link
organization and that the feeling was that they were worried about his mental well being. Don't know how valid that is, but that's what they said.
Section 125  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/19/2019 9:52 am : link
Read the article and pay attention to the timeline of events and decisions made.

There is no question that they moved the goalposts after arbitration, if the facts as reported are accurate.
It could just be his way of avoiding training camp  
JonC : 8/19/2019 9:54 am : link
as much as possible. For players who stay fit and don't need to get in shape, and for some who just don't want to be bothered with the extra work, it's not uncommon to try and skip camp.
All parties involved in this  
Sneakers O'toole : 8/19/2019 10:29 am : link
come out looking ridiculous honestly.

The Raiders for handcuffing themselves to this guy with that contract.

Brown for handling this helmet situation like a child from the jump.

And the league for showing once again that the only consistent thing about them is what an inconsistent mess they make of anything they touch
RE: It could just be his way of avoiding training camp  
bw in dc : 8/19/2019 10:47 am : link
In comment 14535599 JonC said:
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as much as possible. For players who stay fit and don't need to get in shape, and for some who just don't want to be bothered with the extra work, it's not uncommon to try and skip camp.


I think all signs point to this.

Someone asked Rosenhaus why this was suddenly an issue with Brown because the NFL declared the helmet outdated over a year ago. Rosenhaus said they - I guess Team Brown - have been working with all parties involved for the last six months.

Sure, Drew. Sure.

And..  
figgy2989 : 8/19/2019 12:42 pm : link
He is back at practice today after Mayock's call out.

I know there is probably more going on behind the scenes that we are not privy too, but the conspiracy theorist in me says this has something to do with Hard Knocks and getting people to watch the show.

I know...I know...that is absurd to think about, but what a weird situation with most of it being played out in the media.
RE: RE: It could just be his way of avoiding training camp  
pjcas18 : 8/19/2019 12:51 pm : link
In comment 14535690 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14535599 JonC said:


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as much as possible. For players who stay fit and don't need to get in shape, and for some who just don't want to be bothered with the extra work, it's not uncommon to try and skip camp.



I think all signs point to this.

Someone asked Rosenhaus why this was suddenly an issue with Brown because the NFL declared the helmet outdated over a year ago. Rosenhaus said they - I guess Team Brown - have been working with all parties involved for the last six months.

Sure, Drew. Sure.


it sounded like AB appealed the league's decision and the league kicked it to a safety committee who re-tested the helmet, after re-testing it still failed - but it all took time. I guess.
RE: Agree with BW (holy shit)  
DonQuixote : 8/23/2019 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14535557 UConn4523 said:
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this whole quick to label everyone mentally ill is a bizarre phenomenon. His an attention whore asshole, has been for years. He also had a legit gripe and isnít happy with the result.


You use terms like holy shit, or bizarre...I am so glad that you have it all worked out.

I used the term mentally ill because I am concerned about his stability and health and wish him well. You have no special insight either. Even if he is an attention whore asshole, as you say, I would still hope he can get his life figured out.
Listened to an interview with Rosenhaus  
ron mexico : 8/26/2019 2:02 pm : link
he said that helmet makers have approached brown to make him a custom helmet that will meet spec and pay him "a lot of money" to wear it.

Even if he is pissed about the helmet, these are the rules and there  
PatersonPlank : 8/26/2019 2:38 pm : link
are other players abiding by them. All he is doing now is hurting his team. He's had barely any time with his new QB, offense, or team mates.
I feel like the helmet issue is being done in part  
ron mexico : 8/26/2019 3:09 pm : link
To cover up the foot issue.

I bet if he didn't make that stupid mistake and could practice he wouldn't be spending so much effort on this.

Either way Oakland has to be having some buyers remorse.
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