Just open for general discussion, but I'd love opinions on my upcoming keeper draft top 2 targets:
PPR. 6 pts per passing TD, 2 keepers. Keepers are Thomas (3rd) and Chubb (10th).
I pick 7th out of 12 and have 7th and 11th picks (due to keepers in 1st and 2nd rounds).
top 20 players remaining just based on rankings:
1. DJ
2. D. Adams
3. Zeke
4. OBJ
5. Tyreek Hill
6. Mixon
7. Cook
8. JuJu
9. D. Williams
10. AB
11. Gordon
12. TY
13. Fournette
14. D. Henry
15. K . Allen
16. Kerryon
17. Freeman
18. Cooper
19. Thielen
20. Josh Jacobs
who would you look or what would your strategy be for # 7/11?
If people stay away from Zeke I'm taking him. I think he'll drop a little but not to #7.
I want to get Juju and Henry (who I love this year), but if I have a shot at Mixon or Cook can I pass them up for Juju?
Ideally I come out of the first 2 draft rounds with something like this for a core 4:
M. Thomas
JuJu/AB (weary of him this year with his antics)/TY
Chubb
Henry/Mixon/Cook
What would you hope for in this scenario?
Then Thielen at 11 (unless you get Juju at 7) then I would take Fournette or Williams
So who would you look to get at 7 and 11 that could reasonably be there with that list of ranked players?
If Zeke drops do you take him?
Hill
Adams
Zeke
Beckham
Mixon
Juju
(DJ will go before your pick)
At your next pick, Thielen stands out. I also don't trust that Damien Williams will hold onto that job all year. Because of that I am staying away unless it is a value pick and with guys like Thielen around that is not a value pick.
I know you want a RB and Mixon/Zeke is your best bet early but I might hold off until your next pick and target a guy like Aaron Jones, Jacobs, Montgomery, Carson, etc.
Hill
Adams
Zeke
Beckham
Mixon
Juju
(DJ will go before your pick)
At your next pick, Thielen stands out. I also don't trust that Damien Williams will hold onto that job all year. Because of that I am staying away unless it is a value pick and with guys like Thielen around that is not a value pick.
I know you want a RB and Mixon/Zeke is your best bet early but I might hold off until your next pick and target a guy like Aaron Jones, Jacobs, Montgomery, Carson, etc.
My next pick is in the 4th (#29) because I used a 3rd for a keeper.
Around there I could probably get Jacobs, Ingram, maybe Carson, Sony Michel (heavy Pats fan league so he'll prob be overdrafted and I usually avoid NE RB's).
And i don't want a RB per se, just looking for the best 4 players to build a core around, if it's 3 WR's and 1 RB that's fine too.
A lot of RB's kept - the list of keeper RB's is:
Barkley
McCaffrey
Bell
Gurley
Kamara
James White (don't ask)
Aaron Jones
Chubb
Mack
Conner
Guice
Jacobs
Carson
Ingram
Montgomery
Coleman
Hopefully one of them are available at that point
Is Montgomery expected to be the bell cow to Cohen's change of pace?
Seems like they love Cohen, I didn't own Howard last year and was grateful. Felt like Cohen got too many touches/targets even the red zone (at least it seemed that way).
Is Mahome's in play at #7?
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Is Montgomery expected to be the bell cow to Cohen's change of pace?
Seems like they love Cohen, I didn't own Howard last year and was grateful. Felt like Cohen got too many touches/targets even the red zone (at least it seemed that way).
I am pretty sure they want to lessen Cohen's role and they have loved what they have seen from Montgomery in the passing game. I really don't see it as a split as I think they want Cohen as more of a WR and Montgomery as more of a do-it-all back.
Is Mahome's in play at #7?
Hopkins, Conner, Mahomes (I wouldn't), Hill, Bell, Julio, Adams, JuJu, DJ, Thomas.
It is kind of a bad spot to be. If I don't have a top 3 or 4 pick I want a late first pick like 11 or 12.
A lot of good options IMO at 7 and 11.
Normally I would agree though. Though I dislike being at the top of the draft more. I think the pressure you have for your top pick to be all-world is more than any other draft spot because the distance between you at 1 or 2 and 23 and 24 is worse than 7 and 16 for example.
I prefer the end of the draft like others, but the middle rounds are better than the beginning IMO.
A lot of good options IMO at 7 and 11.
Normally I would agree though. Though I dislike being at the top of the draft more. I think the pressure you have for your top pick to be all-world is more than any other draft spot because the distance between you at 1 or 2 and 23 and 24 is worse than 7 and 16 for example.
I prefer the end of the draft like others, but the middle rounds are better than the beginning IMO.
I think it is a solid 3 or 4 this year. Injuries fuck everything up but there is a track record with these guys and they are young so I like having one of Barkley, CMC, 9r Kamara. I wouldn't mind any of the WRs like Hopkins, Adams, Hill, etc. either. But I think it has more to do with the mock drafts I have done at my second and third picks. Sometimes Thielen is there. Sometimes Gurley. Sometimes AB (scares me but could really be worth it). I'll take that over lets say Adams and Mixon or Hill and Odell. That doesn't even factor in the better third round pick either.
I prefer 11/12 to 1/2.
Theory is I'd rather have 2 top 13 or 14 players than 3 top 25 or 26.
and when you think like I do about "core 4" players you need to be consistent producers then I prefer 4 top 37/38 than 4 top 47/48.
And I know you can play this game forever, but I look at past draft results and often think "how the hell was that guy drafted there" and it usually starts in the 4th or 5th round - sometimes sooner. Hind sight is 20/20 but I think you can help yourself.
I've never been in a league where we can pick draft slot. I like that.
He's a decent RB2, but is that what you mean by bounce back?
he's not on my fully avoid list, but he's not a guy I'm targeting either.
Conflicted on him as he's missed time each of the last two years, but I think he's a very solid RB2 considering the other options. He plays for a strong offense, Coleman is gone, and ATL added a few O-linemen in the offseason. Their RB depth isn't great either.
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so trying again here. I'm high on Devonta Freeman as a bounceback candidate. Am I crazy?
Conflicted on him as he's missed time each of the last two years, but I think he's a very solid RB2 considering the other options. He plays for a strong offense, Coleman is gone, and ATL added a few O-linemen in the offseason. Their RB depth isn't great either.
Ito Smith and Ollison have looked good so far.
Kerryon Johnson (depending your rankings he could be a RB1)
Mack
Henry
Fournette
Jones
Carson
Ingram
Michel. You can probably get Mayfield back around then. RB are flying off the board in mocks I am doing
Mack
Henry
Kittle
Mahomes
Mack
Henry
Kittle
Mahomes
This is just me but I find Kerryon, Mack, and Henry to all be ranked way too high. I'd rather take Carson, Fournette, Jacobs, etc. later. However, doing a couple of mock drafts it is always tough to put a nice deep team together taking a QB or TE high. I think need plays into it depending on who you have already and where you are picking.
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Kerryon
Mack
Henry
Kittle
Mahomes
This is just me but I find Kerryon, Mack, and Henry to all be ranked way too high. I'd rather take Carson, Fournette, Jacobs, etc. later. However, doing a couple of mock drafts it is always tough to put a nice deep team together taking a QB or TE high. I think need plays into it depending on who you have already and where you are picking.
I traded up from 10 to 5.
3 keeper league.
Keepin Gurley Adams Julio Jones.
Jacobs is going 1 or 2 as the hot rookie.
Antonio Brown is now being thrown back he should go top 3 as well.
TY Hilton and Cooper are the others leftover
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Kerryon
Mack
Henry
Kittle
Mahomes
This is just me but I find Kerryon, Mack, and Henry to all be ranked way too high. I'd rather take Carson, Fournette, Jacobs, etc. later. However, doing a couple of mock drafts it is always tough to put a nice deep team together taking a QB or TE high. I think need plays into it depending on who you have already and where you are picking.
Fournette has a higher ADP than Kerryon, but in most of the ADP rankings I see of all the names you mentioned they're really close
Mack 2.12
Fournette 3.03
Henry 3.04
Kerryon 3.06
Jacobs 3.10
Carson 4.05
So this is just one source, but use it as a data point (and if I'm off on ADP tell me - like I said this is one source), but it's not like you can pass on Mack in the 2nd and count on any of these guys "later" except Carson.
I don't disagree with you on TE and QB though.
Antonio Brown
TY Hilton
George Kittle
Amari Cooper
Kerryon Johnson
Marlon Mack
Derrick Henry
Josh Jacobs
Damien Williams
Patrick Mahomes
Julian Edelman
Aaron Jones
Sony Michel
Mark Ingram
David Montgommery
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Antonio Brown
TY Hilton
George Kittle
Amari Cooper
Kerryon Johnson
Marlon Mack
Derrick Henry
Josh Jacobs
Damien Williams
Patrick Mahomes
Julian Edelman
Aaron Jones
Sony Michel
Mark Ingram
David Montgommery
Hmm. I might have just stayed at 10. lol. Lets see. I may rank them like this but that may change:
AB
Hilton
Kittle
Jacobs
Mahomes
Edelman
Montgomery
Jones
Ingram
This is just me personally as I don't trust certain guys. I don't even think this is a BPA list. It is just a group. I am not buying Cooper, especially with potential plantar fasciitis. Not crazy about Kerryon with his shoulder issue and the team he is on. I know they want to run but I just don't like many Lions outside of Golladay. Henry is interesting but I feel so much depends on Mariota staying healthy and they lost an OL for suspension, correct? Does Henry lose value in a PPR? I feel like Indy is like Philly with their RB and Luck was chucking the ball all over the field last year. They aren't a big running team. I understand Mack had a nice stretch last year but still not buying it. Damien Williams is very intriguing but I have my sleeper on that team and it is Darwin Thompson. He reminds me in stature to Brian Westbrook when Reid was with the Eagles. I don't see Williams lasting the whole year as the starting RB.
I like everybody else. Ingram is in a run first offense and, by all accounts, Jackson has improved his throwing so that helps the whole offense even if they rotate some backs in. Jones is scary. Always injured but man is he primed for a big role. I have a guy like him on this list because he is going later than guys like Henry, Damien Williams, and Mack. Montgomery has proven he can handle a big workload. I think I am higher on him than most especially in the passing game. I don't expect him to have 70 catches but I don't think 40-50 is out of the question.
The hard part is how you rank them. Mahomes in a 6 pt per TD league is huge but I hate the way my teams look after I am done drafting. Same with Kittle. Kittle is a beast but I feel that my team is lacking in other areas when I go TE early.
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Antonio Brown
TY Hilton
George Kittle
Amari Cooper
Kerryon Johnson
Marlon Mack
Derrick Henry
Josh Jacobs
Damien Williams
Patrick Mahomes
Julian Edelman
Aaron Jones
Sony Michel
Mark Ingram
David Montgommery
Hmm. I might have just stayed at 10. lol. Lets see. I may rank them like this but that may change:
AB
Hilton
Kittle
Jacobs
Mahomes
Edelman
Montgomery
Jones
Ingram
This is just me personally as I don't trust certain guys. I don't even think this is a BPA list. It is just a group. I am not buying Cooper, especially with potential plantar fasciitis. Not crazy about Kerryon with his shoulder issue and the team he is on. I know they want to run but I just don't like many Lions outside of Golladay. Henry is interesting but I feel so much depends on Mariota staying healthy and they lost an OL for suspension, correct? Does Henry lose value in a PPR? I feel like Indy is like Philly with their RB and Luck was chucking the ball all over the field last year. They aren't a big running team. I understand Mack had a nice stretch last year but still not buying it. Damien Williams is very intriguing but I have my sleeper on that team and it is Darwin Thompson. He reminds me in stature to Brian Westbrook when Reid was with the Eagles. I don't see Williams lasting the whole year as the starting RB.
I like everybody else. Ingram is in a run first offense and, by all accounts, Jackson has improved his throwing so that helps the whole offense even if they rotate some backs in. Jones is scary. Always injured but man is he primed for a big role. I have a guy like him on this list because he is going later than guys like Henry, Damien Williams, and Mack. Montgomery has proven he can handle a big workload. I think I am higher on him than most especially in the passing game. I don't expect him to have 70 catches but I don't think 40-50 is out of the question.
The hard part is how you rank them. Mahomes in a 6 pt per TD league is huge but I hate the way my teams look after I am done drafting. Same with Kittle. Kittle is a beast but I feel that my team is lacking in other areas when I go TE early.