Gio (from Boomer & Gio) thinks Pat Shurmur wants to....

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Manning gives the team the best chance to win right now, and Pat Shurmur undoubtedly wants to win games.

Not going to be a popular opinion around here, but so be it

Jones would start. The rest is nonsense.

Just another example of the sports media manufacturing a story.
Mara gave the okay to start Geno or Webb over Eli ending Eli's streak but he's not okay with starting the 6th overall pick who has exceeded expectations thus far over Eli.

that Eli gives the team the best chance to win right now? Or is that just an opinion?

not the whole response. If you hear the snippet then, yeah, it sounds like that. But if you are going to have an opinion then listen to the whole response.

anyone would think Eli gives them the best shot to win. He hasn't been the only problem in recent losing seasons, but he's certainly one of them. Let's all try to get current in our view such that we can turn the page.

PS was getting frustrated with the dumbass media asking him the same shit over and over ... so he meant even if you don’t believe me, the owner just said It (Manning’s the starter) too. It’s with good reason that journalists are often called muckrakers.

Far better than I expected him to thus far. With that said he still has things to work on and Eli Manning gives this team the best chance to win. I have seen nearly every camp reporter praise Eli's performance and arm strength this training camp.

sounds like he posts here.

Apparently Mara is so beholden to Eli that he makes personnel decisions on whether or not he has placated the Manning family.

The worst part of that take is there are BBI'ers who recite that as gospel truth

I just think the days of having a back-up QB sit for a year are coming to an end. These kids are far more prepared now to learn on the job, and the nature of the game now (quick drop back, get the ball out quickly) keeps it simple enough where a young quarterback can learn at his own pace without necessarily being a substantial detriment to the team.

The question I keep asking myself is, are the Giants better off 5 years from now if Jones is the starter this season. I feel confident the answer is yes. Then I ask myself, are the Giants better off this year if Eli is the starting QB. My answer is also yes, but I have far less confidence in that take than I do the first one. So with that, I want to start Jones on day one.

Obviously, this is very unlikely to happen, which ultimately I guess is fine. For better or worse, Eli has earned the opportunity to be the opening day starter one last time.

Mara cares about Eli's legacy. He knows Eli hasn't gotten a fair shake in recent years with the state of the Oline.

The plan was to start Eli as long as the team was competitive and let whatever QB they drafted sit and learn under him. That's a reasonable plan, but what happens if the QB you drafted is ready to play and gives you the best chance to win?

Now it isn't what people say, it's how they say it, or what they implied? Good God.... when does the season start?

owners want to win. The owners want to start the QB that gives them the best chance of doing so. Right now, that is Eli. Whether that changes as the season progresses is unknown. The Giants are a proud franchise with a long history of winning that has been absent for more than half a decade.

Shurmur has to try and keep his job. Playing Jones right away is probably the best way to do that.

is willfully ignorant. It's a fact that McAdoo had to get permission from Mara before benching Eli in 2017. Why would it be any different now?

Not saying Shurmer want to start Jones....but how the hell can anyone deny that Mara will be involved in the decision to switch QB's at some point????

he is hardly someone who is in any way plugged in with regard to the Giants or any other athletic team... there are a lot of opinions here that have way more weight than him.

If Shurmur wants to start Jones, he will.

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If Shurmur wants to start Jones, he will.

Really? He wouldn't need Mara's consent to bench Eli?

context.

In comment 14535680 Jints in Carolina said:

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If Shurmur wants to start Jones, he will.

you think mara said no he wants eli to start that shrmur could over rule him?

Mara will have a say in any decisio regarding the qb

This was so last week and they are just coming out with this hot take now? How original of them.

Shurmur says John mara only reiterated what he and gettleman have been saying since they drafted Daniel Jones. Of course right on cue the usual media airheads only hear and see what they want to fit their agenda.

There is a reason I never listen to boomers show or really most shows on wfan. Hot garbage with no knowledge of anything.

SiriusXM is so much better

align the tin foil to get this straight:

Mara once wanted Eli benched, but since that was botched, he now wants him to start to preserve his legacy and appease the Mannings.

Is that what we are all going with???

In comment 14535658 Spider56 said:

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PS was getting frustrated with the dumbass media asking him the same shit over and over ... so he meant even if you don’t believe me, the owner just said It (Manning’s the starter) too. It’s with good reason that journalists are often called muckrakers.

I agree. I believe this was what he's trying to say. As far as Mara having to know first before the switch is made that's probably true except in a blowout Jones will then enter the game. PS has put DJ in position to succeed so far. I doubt he wants to start him on the road in Dallas.

In comment 14535687 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14535680 Jints in Carolina said: Quote: If Shurmur wants to start Jones, he will. you think mara said no he wants eli to start that shrmur could over rule him? Mara will have a say in any decisio regarding the qb

Of course he'll have a say...but if Shurmur is adamant about it, Mara is going to tell him no?

Shurmur starts whoever he likes, and Mara dictates who starts. But as usual, the argument here breaks into those two camps.

Shurmur is coaching for his future. He may prefer to start Jones but realize if he does (knowing Mara would prefer to play Eli) then his rope gets shorter with another bad season. That has to factor into his decision making.

Not all pressure to do what the owner prefers has to be a stated demand. If Shurmur said he was going to start Jones I think Mara would stand behind it even if he disagreed. But I think he would be on much weaker ground to keep his job if Jones does not play lights out. Shurmur has failed in his first stop as a head coach. If he is fired from here after two seasons he is likely done as a head coach in the NFL.

And I am not saying this because I truly believe he wants to start Jones. Like everyone else on this thread, I have no idea what he really wants so I need to take him at his word. I don't believe if Mara was forcing him to start Eli that he would hint at it in the media.

In comment 14535703 Jints in Carolina said:

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In comment 14535687 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14535680 Jints in Carolina said: Quote: If Shurmur wants to start Jones, he will. you think mara said no he wants eli to start that shrmur could over rule him? Mara will have a say in any decisio regarding the qb Of course he'll have a say...but if Shurmur is adamant about it, Mara is going to tell him no?

If Shurmur approached him today? My take -- Mara would absolutely tell him no. He MAY have been open to the idea of moving on if someone made a compelling case in the offseason (I suspect Mara was a major advocate of bringing Eli back regardless), but once they brought him back in the offseason they absolutely were not taking the starting job away from him before even Week 1.

There could be some truth to it, but this tidbit on its face isn't enough for a declaration.

for any team in the league. Even Belichick couldn't bench Brady without Kraft's approval. ANY team making a change at QB would be an organizational decision, not a HC decision. But I think DG would be more of an impediment for Shurmur to start Jones than Mara.

The they are all on the same page with regards to Eli starting (side note, that is the exact same phrase Mac used when discussing the benching in 2017)

When the decision was made to keep Eli for the year and let him play out his contract, I believe it was a decision that Pat, Dave and John all made together, as you would expect on a decision of that magnitude. Whether or not that decision is in the best long term interest of the franchise is a debate for another thread.

I do not buy that Mara had no say in the matter though.

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Not going to be a popular opinion around here, but so be it

Me too. Daniel Jones is Shurmur's QB. That is the QB he and Gettleman drafted, that is who will or will not define and decide their futures with this organization. Everyone knows NFL stands for Not For Long, and this is especially true when it comes to tenure as a head coach in the league. Will Shurmur survive a disaster season with Eli under center? Do you think that crosses his mind? Of course it does. Here's the thing, young QBs with no starting experience in the NFL do not win many games. If you're Shurmur, do you want to start that clock sooner or later? If I'm him, I want Jones to start getting experience with live bullets flying and ramp up that development clock. That is Shurmur's best chance for long-term stability with the organization. If Eli plays this season and the team doesn't win, and then Jones starts next year and he team doesn't win, Shurmur's job will be in jeopardy.

who witnessed or listened to a recording of that Q&A with Shurmur would have taken his comment as a veiled complaint about Mara telling him who start at QB. He was trying to be funny or cheeky. It was basically saying, "Eli is the starter, I keep saying it, Dave Gettleman keeps saying it, even the owner said it the other day."

In comment 14535694 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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align the tin foil to get this straight: Mara once wanted Eli benched, but since that was botched, he now wants him to start to preserve his legacy and appease the Mannings. Is that what we are all going with???

Um, you left out a few details. That was December, the team was 2-9 and out of contention on a season that started out 0-5. Eli was an immobile QB playing poorly behind a sieve of an Oline and the HC and GM had lost confidence in him. The owner got absolutely ripped for the decision, Eli was inserted back into the lineup and finished the season, even against momentum to play Webb. Since that point, we've heard nothing from the organization that wasn't consistent with the idea "Eli has years left" and suggestions that the root of the issues were Oline.

But we still have to take both of his performances for what they were. VERY encouraging but, against 2nd and 3rd stringers (and even some 4th) that will not be playing on Sundays.

Eli looked very good last game as well. In the end, I assume Shurmur is going to want to start a guy that knows his system down pat and will make all the right calls.

If/when Eli shows he's not capable of being an average to above-average NFL quarterback behind a better OL, Shurmur will make the change. I understand why the media wants to fuel these fires, but it's really based on a shitload of speculation.

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In comment 14535687 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14535680 Jints in Carolina said: Quote: If Shurmur wants to start Jones, he will. you think mara said no he wants eli to start that shrmur could over rule him? Mara will have a say in any decisio regarding the qb Of course he'll have a say...but if Shurmur is adamant about it, Mara is going to tell him no?

if shurmur went into maras office today and said he thinks jones gives him the best chance to win and it is better for the future of the franchise that jones starts, you think mara says ok?

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In comment 14535680 Jints in Carolina said: Quote: If Shurmur wants to start Jones, he will. Really? He wouldn't need Mara's consent to bench Eli?

Mara has already stated that.

Anything else is the spin in your own head.

In comment 14535673 arniefez said:

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Shurmur has to try and keep his job. Playing Jones right away is probably the best way to do that.

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As for Jones, it’s nearly impossible to get a read on him against the current level of competition, but it’s easy to see there’s still some work to be done. His trigger isn’t as fast as Manning’s and he’s not playing as talented a defense. At least from my vantage point, Manning (naturally) is processing the game faster and that’s still more advantageous in this kind of offense than a nice deep ball. To his credit, Jones dove for the first ball he fumbled, and on the touchdown pass to Jones, he did a nice job of freezing the safety with his eyes before going up top and taking advantage of the single coverage. At this point, any controversy seems manufactured; the product of the first real whiff of a quarterback controversy this part of New Jersey has seen in more than a decade.”

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Jones would start. The rest is nonsense.

Shurmur doesn't have that kind of juice. He's lucky to even be a head coach and he won't be one for much longer unless he cracks the magical 6 win barrier that has so far eluded him as a HC. He will do what he is told and like it or he'll be replaced.

That said, I don't think that was the Gettlemen plan and the plan isn't changing because the kid completed a few passes in preseason games against scrubs. For the business minded, Mara isn't writing multi-million dollar checks to Manning to sit on the bench in the final year of his contract. Manning is playing this year.

I neither listen to the show nor know anything about Gio's credibility. What I do know is that: 1) Shurmur and Gettlemen regarded DJ highly enough to pick him at #6 overall; and 2) everyone involved has acknowledged that Mara would be notified before anyone benches Eli.

For anyone to think that Mara is not involved here is simply choosing to ignore the obvious. Sure, Mara approved the decision to bench Eli. Mara then quickly changed his story and, within a week of the benching, fired McAdoo and Reese. Mara then opened his mouth within the past week or so and stated that he hopes DJ doesn't play a down this season.

I have no idea if Mara is "thwarting" the attempts to start DJ. But, it's not as simple as Shurmur going, "I'm starting DJ, deal with it".

In comment 14535748 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14535703 Jints in Carolina said: Quote: In comment 14535687 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 14535680 Jints in Carolina said: Quote: If Shurmur wants to start Jones, he will. you think mara said no he wants eli to start that shrmur could over rule him? Mara will have a say in any decisio regarding the qb Of course he'll have a say...but if Shurmur is adamant about it, Mara is going to tell him no? if shurmur went into maras office today and said he thinks jones gives him the best chance to win and it is better for the future of the franchise that jones starts, you think mara says ok?

1) I don't think Mara okays it at this juncture.
2) I think putting Eli's legacy or anyone's opportunities over the team vision is the worst way to manage an organization.

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if shurmur went into maras office today and said he thinks jones gives him the best chance to win and it is better for the future of the franchise that jones starts, you think mara says ok?

Shurmur wouldn't walk into Mara's office, he'd walk into Gettleman's. As I said earlier, the starting QB is an organizational decision, and that is not unique to the Giants.

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1) I don't think Mara okays it at this juncture. 2) I think putting Eli's legacy or anyone's opportunities over the team vision is the worst way to manage an organization.

Absent any evidence whatsoever, conjecture is just fantasy.

I think Mara has input regarding Eli. He is an owner. I believe Shurmur could start Jones, he would have to ask and he had better be right(job would be on the line). Eli starts until he proves he should not. He is going to do well.

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In comment 14535651 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: Jones would start. The rest is nonsense. Shurmur doesn't have that kind of juice. He's lucky to even be a head coach and he won't be one for much longer unless he cracks the magical 6 win barrier that has so far eluded him as a HC. He will do what he is told and like it or he'll be replaced. That said, I don't think that was the Gettlemen plan and the plan isn't changing because the kid completed a few passes in preseason games against scrubs. For the business minded, Mara isn't writing multi-million dollar checks to Manning to sit on the bench in the final year of his contract. Manning is playing this year.

I also completely agree with this statement. Executives and coaches take the safe approach: namely, what will keep them employed. If Shurmur starts Eli and the team loses, and then he moves on to Jones, he's safe. It's what the owner wants and then no one will blame him.

Alternatively, if Shurmur starts DJ, and the team is horrendous (with DJ flopping, even if only for his rookie season), he will have ticked off the owner, and everyone will second guess his decision to sit Eli for this season.

To see Eli behind this line... Very much looking forward to seeing him stick it up all of the doubters asses.

Throwing him into the fire on the road against Dallas is a bad idea, IMO. That is a whole different animal and no need to subject him to it. Let him watch and learn from the old man. I think you turn it over to him at some point, but you have to be smart about it.

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Eli looked very good last game as well. In the end, I assume Shurmur is going to want to start a guy that knows his system down pat and will make all the right calls.

Shurmur wants more than right calls. He wants a QB that can make the confident decisive passes, and make the passes accurately enough for YAC. YAC accuracy has never been Eli's strength. His strength used to be that gunslinger confident toss. He's been gun shy the last few years, hopefully that changes.

Here's my take:
1) Shurmur and DG will be talking with each other and Mara for many weeks before any switch. It won't be one week Shurmur walks in and says now's the time.

2) The fans will be calling for the switch long before it happens. This will soften Mara's sensitivities.

3) The debate will be how they define 'out of playoff contention'. Mathematically? Realistically? And it will be an intense debate. The media will be a divisive click bait hurricane and the fans will be restless.

PREDICTION: PAIN

Trying for ratings...

Showing what a moron he is.

Shurmur also said -- in a neighboring comment that he and Mara were "on the same page"

Nothing to see here -- and in my opinion Jones will benefit from not being rushed onto the regular season field

However, one thing I do believe right now is that Jones should be the clear backup if Eli goes down. Tanney on the field is lose, lose as is Lauletta