....start Daniel Jones but is being thwarted by John Mara.
This morning he referenced a recent Shurmur quote when asked by the media for his evaluation of the current QB competition. It was something along the lines of "You heard what our owner recently said." Gio thinks that this implies Shurmur would really like to start Jones now, but he can't do so because his hands are tied.
The premise is that if Jones doesn't play this year, his development will be delayed. It is as basic as that.
And it is an unprovable point.
Let's try it this way - it be not be delayed, but is could be accelerated, true?
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you really don't even seem to grasp what the discussion was.
The premise is that if Jones doesn't play this year, his development will be delayed. It is as basic as that.
And it is an unprovable point.
Let's try it this way - it be not be delayed, but is could be accelerated, true?
Geesh - should read: it may not be delayed, but it could be accelerated, true?
In addition, there are just as many instances of young QBs not playing early in their careers that have helped them versus hindered them.
It 6 to 5 and pick em' so flip the coin and tell Jones whether he should suit up tonight or not.
Why don't you go back to ganging up on the autistic kid in the OBJ thread. That's more your speed.
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Why don't you go back to ganging up on the autistic kid in the OBJ thread.
Not sure I could tell the difference actually...
Absolutely super!
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you really don't even seem to grasp what the discussion was.
The premise is that if Jones doesn't play this year, his development will be delayed. It is as basic as that.
And it is an unprovable point.
Let's try it this way - it be not be delayed, but is could be accelerated, true?
Geesh - should read: it may not be delayed, but it could be accelerated, true?
At the unnecessary expense of a season with no tangible benefit.
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From the 3 stooges.
Why don't you go back to ganging up on the autistic kid in the OBJ thread. That's more your speed.
You’re making fun of a disability? Christ that’s more of a Les in TO thing.... but reaching scumbag levels entices all I suppose. That’s more on your “radar” I suppose.
Absolutely super!
You 3 dimwits have been here all day. Just need Santa to finish off the crew.
At the unnecessary expense of a season with no tangible benefit.
That's the pessimistic view.
As the optimist among us, I think it could be pay dirt with Jones. ;)
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From the 3 stooges.
Why don't you go back to ganging up on the autistic kid in the OBJ thread. That's more your speed.
You’re making fun of a disability? Christ that’s more of a Les in TO thing.... but reaching scumbag levels entices all I suppose. That’s more on your “radar” I suppose.
I'm not making fun of shit, rover admitted he's on the spectrum and you fucking shit stains still pick on him
Absolutely super!
LOL, nah - I already voiced my opinion on this topic. None of you guys are changing each other's minds here - it looks like hours were spent debating this and it went nowhere. I didn't even read the posts, really. A little skim and that was all. I just see this thread near the top of the forum any time I refresh the page and there's 300+ posts on it now. So, obviously everyone's still going.
I just don't think it's a one-size-fits-all thing when it comes to when to start a rookie QB. I think it just depends on the player. It depends on the type of offense he's coming from, the school, the coaching he's had, what he still needs to work on, etc.
I think allowing Eli to start the season with the understanding that if he isn't winning games, he's getting a quick hook is a pretty fair way to approach this. I wouldn't sit him if we start 0-1... but I also wouldn't wait until something like 2-6.
Eli is starting with the expectation that he needs to win. We all know that. If Jones sits for the first 4-5 weeks of his rookie career, it's not going to do anything to hinder his development.
And if Jones is sitting longer than that, it should mean the Giants are above .500 and firmly in the mix in the NFC. I don't expect this scenario, but I would not be upset with Eli continuing to play should that turn out to be the case.
I don't think anyone should really be angry if the Giants are sitting 2-3 games over .500 come the halfway point of the season and Eli is having a bit of a resurgence.
When the time comes, Daniel will be ready.
I'm not making fun of shit, rover admitted he's on the spectrum and you fucking shit stains still pick on him
Lol, sure. Just make it known about his disability. Classy. And I don’t discriminate on who I pick on. It could be rover, a bad fan, or the three stooges. I treat all of them the same.
Now go get ready for the Tae-Tae concert with your bosom buddies. You guys did great work today.
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you really don't even seem to grasp what the discussion was.
The premise is that if Jones doesn't play this year, his development will be delayed. It is as basic as that.
And it is an unprovable point.
Let's try it this way - it be not be delayed, but is could be accelerated, true?
Geesh - should read: it may not be delayed, but it could be accelerated, true?
At the unnecessary expense of a season with no tangible benefit.
I know you know that we will win more with the incumbent. And, if, or when, we can’t we can see how Jones can spark us. It only is that what the plan actually is, it’s the most sensible one.
The Giants have a good opportunity to upgrade the roster in the 2020 offseason via UFA, and they absolutely should be building that team around Jones.
I'd suspect Accorsi approached the UFA period in 2005 with a grocery list of what would compliment Manning. He got a big, wingspan receiver and a right, not left tackle.
The Giants aren't fielding a train wreck of a team where Jones is going to get destroyed. Gettleman is fielding a component line, a fabulous half back, and a professional (if uninspiring) WR core.
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I'm not making fun of shit, rover admitted he's on the spectrum and you fucking shit stains still pick on him
Lol, sure. Just make it known about his disability. Classy. And I don’t discriminate on who I pick on. It could be rover, a bad fan, or the three stooges. I treat all of them the same.
Now go get ready for the Tae-Tae concert with your bosom buddies. You guys did great work today.
Yeah, you sound like a super guy...
I think allowing Eli to start the season with the understanding that if he isn't winning games, he's getting a quick hook is a pretty fair way to approach this. I wouldn't sit him if we start 0-1... but I also wouldn't wait until something like 2-6.
Do you think that's been declared internally with Eli? Or are they going to sort of make it up as they go?
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I think allowing Eli to start the season with the understanding that if he isn't winning games, he's getting a quick hook is a pretty fair way to approach this. I wouldn't sit him if we start 0-1... but I also wouldn't wait until something like 2-6.
Do you think that's been declared internally with Eli? Or are they going to sort of make it up as they go?
I think that public opinion among the fans is going to be a much bigger factor than anyone is talking about. They really shit the bed last time and I don't think they make a move without MOST fans on board. You are going to see a lot of leaks and rumors that Shurmur wants to start Jones coming out to try and gauge what fans think.
Just saw this. That is very funny.
You’ve got to hand it to Fat-Mara. He’s building for the future. Taking his disciples - arc, dep, Bill, Brit et al - under his wing and teaching them his methods. Each of them with their assigned roles in the meantime...
I think that public opinion among the fans is going to be a much bigger factor than anyone is talking about. They really shit the bed last time and I don't think they make a move without MOST fans on board. You are going to see a lot of leaks and rumors that Shurmur wants to start Jones coming out to try and gauge what fans think.
I said earlier that if you gave Shurmur a shot of Sodium Pentothal right now he would confess that Jones is indeed his choice.
But he’s got no leverage on this. Mara wrote and owns the delegations of authority. And they’ve been tightened up since the catastrophe Mara created with the drama with Eli in Geno Gate. Despite what Mara said last week with his goofy, phony presser, Shurmur calls no final shots on Eli. He can only recommend.