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Shurmur in press conferences.

Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 12:36 pm
I like Pat Shumur, but he needs to be stronger in press conferences. You can't Eli Manning your way through press conferences as head coach, especially in NY, unless you are Bill Bellichik and what you are doing is generally unquestionable.

He could have squashed this whole narrative that ownership is calling the shots at starting QB, by being very clear it is his decision to make after he went into his you heard it from John comment. I hope their media plan for the transition is much better than what it has been, but I'm not too hopeful this isn't a clusterfuck based on what I've seen from ownership and FO.
I think people need to stop listening  
dep026 : 8/19/2019 12:40 pm : link
To pressers and media’s opinions as gospel.

The proof will always be on the field. If he wins, he will be fine.
Couldn't disagree more  
Torrag : 8/19/2019 12:42 pm : link
He's been fine in his media dealings since coming to NY. I've literally watched or read every word he's spoken in front of a camera or in his conference calls. he's handled it all well.

He's articulate and brings some dry humor to it all. It's good he doesn't take those blowhards too seriously since they're mostly a joke.
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GiantEgo : 8/19/2019 12:44 pm : link
Like all the other head coaches he is just trying to run out the clock and get out of there.
Shumur  
TMS : 8/19/2019 12:45 pm : link
definitely is terrible at handing the press. He does not think quick enough and is not prepared for obvious questions he should know are coming. MO
If we win, who gives a shit?  
widmerseyebrow : 8/19/2019 12:46 pm : link
He can stand up there drooling on the mic for all I care.
When you try to change someone's way of speaking at that level  
Jim in Forest Hills : 8/19/2019 12:51 pm : link
you get buffoonery along the like of McCadoo's haircut. Just let the man operate how he operates.
I think he is great with the press  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/19/2019 12:51 pm : link
He has a sense of humor and is honest about what he will and won't answer. Seems to have a decent report with the reporters. Doesn't let them trap him -- if anything he calls them out on that stuff in a gentile way. He impresses me.
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Big Blue '56 : 8/19/2019 12:52 pm : link
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He could have squashed this whole narrative that ownership is calling the shots at starting QB...



What narrative? By click-baiters? There is no real narrative..
I don't see what the big deal is.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/19/2019 12:56 pm : link
The plan is somewhat obvious. Jones is definitely starting Week 1 2020. Jones may or may not play sometime this season. I mean..
He puts me to sleep  
JonC : 8/19/2019 12:58 pm : link
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He doesn't inspire much confidence in me  
jcn56 : 8/19/2019 1:02 pm : link
but there's no correlation between their ability to win and my confidence level, so I'm fine with it.

The inclination is to say 'well, there's this coach in NE...', but you have to wonder - if he didn't have those rings, would he last long with that demeanor?
Like it or not the media can help you win or lose football games.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 1:02 pm : link
The distractions they can cause in locker rooms is very real, especially now with the proliferation of it everywhere. I think sometimes people forget these guys playing the game are human, and not only human, but young humans.
I think the only issue with respect to Shurmur's communication skills  
GeofromNJ : 8/19/2019 1:02 pm : link
is whether the players respond to his leadership rather than how he's perceived by the press or the fan base. However, it would be interesting to know whether the players perceive doubt on the part of Shurmur regarding the starting quarterback and if so, does, or will, this affect the team's motivation and readiness.
RE: He doesn't inspire much confidence in me  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14535943 jcn56 said:
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but there's no correlation between their ability to win and my confidence level, so I'm fine with it.

The inclination is to say 'well, there's this coach in NE...', but you have to wonder - if he didn't have those rings, would he last long with that demeanor?


No, and I'd be curious to see his progression with the media over time. As the wins racked up his clear disdain for the media has become more and more apparent. You can do that when you have clout.
RE: He puts me to sleep  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14535935 JonC said:
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I think that is why it is important to have a guy like Betcher around.
How many  
Gman11 : 8/19/2019 1:11 pm : link
head coaches and GMs in the league tell the press what exactly is going on? Give me a break. They all dance around the questions with non-answers. All the injuries "are coming along." All the rookies are "making progress." All the game decisions are "still being worked on."

JFC.
RE: How many  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14535958 Gman11 said:
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head coaches and GMs in the league tell the press what exactly is going on? Give me a break. They all dance around the questions with non-answers. All the injuries "are coming along." All the rookies are "making progress." All the game decisions are "still being worked on."

JFC.


They don't. But our very own GM does a tremendous job playing the media, irregardless of the mouth breathers that get mad that he "lied".

He needs to think of a catchy dismissive slogan  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/19/2019 1:38 pm : link
Like Mcadoo.

I'm not going to pay a lot for this muffler!
ummm...  
MarkT : 8/19/2019 1:47 pm : link
Narrative is all interpretation of the listener.
Some "know" ownership is calling the shots, even though they say they do not.
Some say Jones should be starting now, even though he is not better than Manning.
Some "Know" Jones is starting game 1 of 2020, even though that could change with a successful year by Manning.
Some think they "know" everything and they are all sure management is lying.
The fact is, no-one talks in absolutes at a press conference. Only the fans interpretations.
It should be quite simple, as long as Manning is better than Jones, he should start. Even if it is 2 months or 2 years. The "Move on" crowd can sit and make up any crap they want. If/when Jones is ready, he should start. ALL "hypothetical s" and "What ifs" included.
Of all the responsibilities a HC has, talking to the media  
Spider56 : 8/19/2019 2:07 pm : link
is hopefully the lowest priority on his list ... All HC should take lessons from BB ... he plays them like the fools most of them are.
now we know why you need an alibi  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/19/2019 2:17 pm : link
I want the time back I sent on this thread
If we are talking about how Shurmur  
81_Great_Dane : 8/19/2019 2:21 pm : link
"needs to be stronger in press conferences," and not his actual coaching, then he must be doing a helluva job.
RE: He puts me to sleep  
Optimus-NY : 8/19/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14535935 JonC said:
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Sir Sominex fo' sho' (move over Richard Neer...)
Not everyone is Parcells fellas  
Optimus-NY : 8/19/2019 2:26 pm : link
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RE: RE: How many  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/19/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14535961 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14535958 Gman11 said:


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head coaches and GMs in the league tell the press what exactly is going on? Give me a break. They all dance around the questions with non-answers. All the injuries "are coming along." All the rookies are "making progress." All the game decisions are "still being worked on."

JFC.



They don't. But our very own GM does a tremendous job playing the media, irregardless of the mouth breathers that get mad that he "lied".


While I agree with you, look at how those "mouthbreathers" have absolutely skewered Gettleman at every turn for his demeanor.

You can't win. If you are Shurmur, you are too boring. If you are gettleman, you are loud and abrasive. If you talk about pretzels and hot dogs, you get pummelled. If you talk about a player being touched by God, you get lambasted. If you say something about a bunch of nerds, it means you have an abacus and shun analytics.

I'm more convinced that no matter the demeanor of the person in front of the mic, many BBI'ers will trip over themselves to be critical. For a variety of fucking reasons.
I'm going to have to look at the tape!  
SteelGiant : 8/19/2019 2:30 pm : link
I actually don't mind how he answers the questions. For anyone who listens to whole statements his says and not just reads a clip of sentence a report uses it seems pretty clear.

For Instance: Mara says in a perfect world Manning starts all year and Jones sits and never plays - Translation: This is correct, in a perfect world Manning starts Game1 plays perfect, we go undefeated, and win the Super Bowl.

When they asked the coach - John owns the team, right? We’re on the same page. There is really not much more to say. I think I’ve been saying it all along. I just get a sense once in a while that when I answer those questions nobody believes me. Well you heard it from the owner."
TRANSLATION: We both think it best for us to give Eli a shot to be successful and give Daniel time to watch, if shit hits the fan, we pull the plug on Eli and put Daniel in.
Fatman...the issue I have with what Shurmur said is the  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 2:57 pm : link
way he said it he pretty much lobbed a softball for the media to come with the takeaway the ownership is making football decisions, which is a big no-no for good football teams. And like it or not this narrative has followed probably because Wellington Mara did once upon a time and did his best to drive the team into the gutter until the NFL stepped in. I don't think it should be so difficult for a head coach to stay away from these things, especially for how little Shurmur actually says. This shit isn't a distraction now, but it sure is going to be in the season. I think anyone that thinks this is going to be handles smoothly is kidding themselves. I do think Mara is directive in the PR aspect and he hasn't exactly shown a penchant for it. It isn't like he is an accomplished guy, he's a dude that was born into an NFL franchise.
And I think the head coach and the GM have two different  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 2:59 pm : link
objectives when dealing with the media. The GM's job is to use the media to fool other GM's what type of moves they are going to make. The head coaches main job with the media is minimize the distraction they are going to try their best to make.
Can I ask an honest question?  
dep026 : 8/19/2019 3:01 pm : link
Do people really look forward to pressers that much? Where you live and die whatever is said there. I mean, injury updates are just as vague as everything else.
RE: Can I ask an honest question?  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14536068 dep026 said:
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Do people really look forward to pressers that much? Where you live and die whatever is said there. I mean, injury updates are just as vague as everything else.


The only ones I watch are the post game HC pressers. Usually that is your best bet to get anything useful.
I can't believe people care about press conferences  
UConn4523 : 8/19/2019 3:07 pm : link
what Pat Shurmur says or doesn't say will never have any bearing on the success of this team. None. I don't even listen to them unless WFAN plays a clip or if a poster on BBI posts it to point out a specific part. Didn't care about McAdoo's or Coughlin's and I won't care about the next one either.
RE: Shumur  
section125 : 8/19/2019 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14535906 TMS said:
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definitely is terrible at handing the press. He does not think quick enough and is not prepared for obvious questions he should know are coming. MO


Wrong
Media  
Simms : 8/19/2019 7:22 pm : link
The heck with them all that matters is him final win total. He gets this year and maybe next season, unless he implodes beyond imagination.

Then Payton Manning becomes HC while BBI, and Eli haters go Hillary after losing the election crazy ...
RE: I can't believe people care about press conferences  
BigBlueShock : 8/19/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14536076 UConn4523 said:
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what Pat Shurmur says or doesn't say will never have any bearing on the success of this team. None. I don't even listen to them unless WFAN plays a clip or if a poster on BBI posts it to point out a specific part. Didn't care about McAdoo's or Coughlin's and I won't care about the next one either.

This. And it’s hysterical that fans that read every single quote anyone makes and freaks out about it, breaks it down, dissects it continue to pass off the blame to the media. Don’t get me wrong, the media sucks. But the media didn’t start this thread.

When YOU stop caring about the cat and mouse between organizations and the media, you will be better off for it. The media tries to create drama. It’s their job. And the fans buy into it hook, line and sinker. Stop being sheep and letting the damn media decide your feelings. Man the fuck up.
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christian : 8/19/2019 7:33 pm : link
It shouldn't matter -- but you've got live under a rock if you don't realize having the press on your side can help in NY.

If you're treading water as a coach and the media starts pounding on you, ownership and management sees it. They are running a business and aren't immune to the influence of bad impressions.

And the players see it too. If you're constantly throwing guys under the bus, it's known. Players these days are a brand (as annoying as that maybe) and they've got teams tracking every mention of them. Getting shit on by a coach is different these days.

A coach should be nice, earnest, and patient with the media. You don't have to divulge everything, but respect the guys across the podium, even when they are dips. It literally costs nothing, and likely will help in keeping a job.
RE: I think people need to stop listening  
djm : 8/19/2019 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14535897 dep026 said:
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To pressers and media’s opinions as gospel.

The proof will always be on the field. If he wins, he will be fine.


Wow! What an amazing concept.

You guys actually listen to these press conferences ??

If not a single word was uttered out of giants camp the last two years, something tells me the picture the giants are painting would be easier for people to see. But those damn presses and interviews. People are so confused because.... I’m not sure why, but they are.
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