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Manny in CA : 8/19/2019 5:34 pm

https://www.businessinsider.com/disney-world-expensive-middle-class-2018-12

I remember when our kids were little in the 79s & 80s, my wife and I could easily afford to take them to Disneyland any time we wanted to.

A young family today with three kids is not getting off for less than $700 a day after tickets, food and a few "cheap" toys and hats.

I think that it's more than artificially trying to keep the crowds down; the real targets are the lower middle class and the poor.
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Correction ...  
Manny in CA : 8/19/2019 5:37 pm : link
In the 70's ... and 80s.
spend your money  
pjcas18 : 8/19/2019 5:37 pm : link
somewhere else.

It's supply and demand, and anecdotally, Disney has done nothing to keep crows down, in fact quite the opposite. that place is brutally crowded.
It's all about  
Walt in MD : 8/19/2019 5:37 pm : link
Keeping the riff raff out
Meant to say ....  
Manny in CA : 8/19/2019 5:40 pm : link

70s and 80s.
Before anyone jumps  
Walt in MD : 8/19/2019 5:40 pm : link
Down my throat, I'm part of the riff raff.
That’s a pretty nefarious take  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/19/2019 5:46 pm : link
It’s not that complicated. They’re a business, which means they try to make the biggest profit they can. The parks are packed. They raise prices and people keep coming. When attendance drops they’ll stop.
Disney  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/19/2019 5:48 pm : link
is making some very questionable choices all across the board.

I've come to the realization that many of our companies who are run by so-called "experts" are not so well-run after. The NFL is another example.
I would  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/19/2019 5:55 pm : link
also add the movie and marketing industries, both which have significantly regressed in their professional capabilities.
The parks are jammed year-round  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 8/19/2019 5:57 pm : link
They could probably double the price of the tickets and still sell out. If anything, Disney is keeping the price of tickets below their market price because they don't want to limit the experience to only the wealthy.

Honestly, I have zero interest in being anywhere that crowded. I've been to Disney twice, both times during the deadest part of the year, and there were still too many people there for me.

Luckily I live in Florida  
section125 : 8/19/2019 6:00 pm : link
so we get a huge break. Manny is right, though, I look at the single day prices and shake my head. My kids bought the big full passes to the tune of $700+ per year. They use it often, so probably save in the long run. Mama and I have a restricted pass - no weekends, no holidays, no summers - who wants to go those days anyway?
Just like the NFL and the NBA and MLB.  
MOOPS : 8/19/2019 6:16 pm : link
Tough trying to keep up with the Kardashians.
And yet most of the guests at Disney are middle class  
Ron from Ninerland : 8/19/2019 6:19 pm : link
On any given day you can talk to guests at Disneyland, DisneyWorld or a Disney cruise and find that they are middle class. One way or another families find a way to go. The family in the house next to us is a good example. They have three kids and barely a pot to piss in. Mom is a cosmetologist and Dad does some kind of work at the airport. Grandpa is a retired RN and Grandma is some other kind of retired medical professional, but not a doctor. Two or three times a year they manage to go down to Disneyland, sometimes flying. People find a way. Disney cruises are the same way. They are way more expensive than any other general purpose cruise line but they can pack their ships without ever offering discounts.

Disney is charging what the market will bear, and in their case it will bear quite a lot. Like I said in my post about the upcoming Disney plus service, Disney is so totally ingrained into American society that not embracing all things Disney is practically child abuse. I have never met a family with children that didn't have a stack of Disney DVD's and Disney toys. If they or their grandparents have a discretionary dollar to spend, a trip to Disney is planned as if its a religious pilgrimage.

This is nothing new either. When I was child in the 60's the Wonderfull World of Color was required viewing. Back then Walt Disney himself would promote the latest happenings at Disneyland. Its incredible that they've been able to be this good for this long.
Nobody goes there anymore,  
Pete in MD : 8/19/2019 6:20 pm : link
it's too crowded.
I'm out vacationing in Cali this week  
Stu11 : 8/19/2019 6:22 pm : link
Took the kids to to Universal yesterday and it's no cheaper. We dropped over $400 just for admission. Lunch was 76 just for fast food. They got you by the balls coming and going.
Still waiting  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/19/2019 6:31 pm : link
to get Ron in Ninerland's take on all this...
RE: Still waiting  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/19/2019 6:33 pm : link
In comment 14536206 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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to get Ron in Ninerland's take on all this...

LOL
RE: Still waiting  
Ron from Ninerland : 8/19/2019 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14536206 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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to get Ron in Ninerland's take on all this...
Sorry about that. There was documented problem with the CF at the time I was posting. I kept getting an error when I tried to post, I'd check the thread and my comments weren't there, so I kept trying.
I really think the definition of middle class is too squishy...  
Dan in the Springs : 8/19/2019 6:42 pm : link
Most people consider themselves middle class, even when they are in the top quartile of incomes nationally (if your household income in 2017 was $112K, you were in the top quartile).

Median household income was under $62k. I don't know how many families with small children whose household income is below $62k should be spending $700/day on theme park experiences. Heck, it's hard to get by in some places with small children if your household income is $112k, which again, isn't really middle class.

The thing is that if you're raising children on $112k in many parts of the country you probably FEEL like middle class, or maybe even lower-middle class.
$140 a day for one person...  
vonritz : 8/19/2019 6:44 pm : link
is dirt cheap and completely middle class. I'm not sure what the problem is. Have any of you seen what a hotel at a shit hole in Manhattan runs for one night?
RE: I would  
dep026 : 8/19/2019 6:46 pm : link
In comment 14536187 Eric from BBI said:
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also add the movie and marketing industries, both which have significantly regressed in their professional capabilities.



People may not like the movies, but they are an absolute gold mines. The real life redeux have been box office hits. And I expect frozen 2 to be near the highest grossing film ever.
The world has abandoned the middle class model  
Ben in Tampa : 8/19/2019 6:48 pm : link
It’s not just Disney.
RE: I would  
vonritz : 8/19/2019 6:49 pm : link
In comment 14536187 Eric from BBI said:
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also add the movie and marketing industries, both which have significantly regressed in their professional capabilities.


Nope.
People in the lower half of family incomes  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 8/19/2019 6:49 pm : link
Aren't taking a lot of vacations, to Disney or anywhere else.
RE: RE: Still waiting  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/19/2019 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14536211 Ron from Ninerland said:
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In comment 14536206 LakeGeorgeGiant said:


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to get Ron in Ninerland's take on all this...

Sorry about that. There was documented problem with the CF at the time I was posting. I kept getting an error when I tried to post, I'd check the thread and my comments weren't there, so I kept trying.


No worries, just having some fun
RE: Nobody goes there anymore,  
Amtoft : 8/19/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14536199 Pete in MD said:
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it's too crowded.


well played
RE: It's all about  
jonnyess : 8/19/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14536179 Walt in MD said:
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Keeping the riff raff out


This.

Too bad the airline and cruise industry haven't adopted this model.
700/day?  
Banks : 8/19/2019 6:59 pm : link
Ugh. I have a 2 year old I was hoping to take there when old enough. It's a shame there is nothing quite like Disney
RE: I would  
Pete in 'Vliet : 8/19/2019 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14536187 Eric from BBI said:
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also add the movie and marketing industries, both which have significantly regressed in their professional capabilities.


I don't want to become the Disney defender here, but they are probably having their most profitable year (at least in box office revenue) in my lifetime. Add in the massive expansions to multiple parks around the globe and the launching of a streaming service, that will most likely take a massive bite out of the market share, and I just don't see how you can say they regressed in their professional capabilities.

Disney has spent ALOT of money in the past few years, between the IP acquisitions and the major park expansions and upgrades. It makes sense that they chose this time to raise the park prices as well as pushing out their live action remakes - which are pretty much cash grabs.

WDW hits its 50th aniversary in 2023 - that's when all the expansions should be finished. If their animation studios still hasn't produced new quality original movies by then - it time to worry.
RE: I would  
Eric on Li : 8/19/2019 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14536187 Eric from BBI said:
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also add the movie and marketing industries, both which have significantly regressed in their professional capabilities.


The ROI paradigm for entertainment changed so quickly there were massive downstream impacts in terms of attracting/promoting/resourcing the talented people in those industries more than anything else (marketing and entertainment audiences are inextricably linked and were explosively fragmented). Tech cos efficiently sucked up the fragmented audiences along with most of the dollars that used to fund the "good marketing" and "good content" while scattering the "good talent" who used to do both all over the place. Btw there's still good marketing by the definition of more efficiently selling things to people, it's just not as entertaining because instead of millions spent against tv commercials in a public domain it's an algorithm, tracking pixel, or retargeting mechanism we don't see.

In some ways it's leveled playing fields for small upstarts who are smart but in other ways it killed off certain species the same way there's no such thing as a shutdown corner anymore. Big brands still spend on big marketing campaigns the same way big studios still spend on blockbuster movies the same way corners are still highly paid, but it's just a different world.
RE: I would  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14536187 Eric from BBI said:
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also add the movie and marketing industries, both which have significantly regressed in their professional capabilities.


The Lion King, Toy Story, Frozen, and they are starting a massive internet streaming service soon. I'm going to have to disagree with that. They have actually been so succesful I can't believe they haven't been cited for monopolistic practices. Actually I can, this country bows down to it's multinational overlords now.
I don't care much for Disney  
jcn56 : 8/19/2019 7:04 pm : link
scratch that - I don't like it at all - save for a few of the classic movies, and they're far removed from that Disney.

Having said that - is there any entertainment that's not ridiculously overpriced relative to a decade or two ago? Not sporting events. Not concert tickets. Movies are not cheap, but they're probably the closest thing to a "bargain" relative to past pricing. I don't know if their pricing has gone off the rails, or if they're just like everything else discretionary, priced high because people are willing to pay it.
My folks become snowbirds  
aimrocky : 8/19/2019 7:06 pm : link
Within the past 6 years, which coincided with my first kid being born. We’ve visited them 5 of those 6 years and squeezed 2 days at Disney into the trip 4 of those 5 trips.

A few weeks ago we were down there and did 2 days hitting Epcot and Magic Kingdom. All of our prior trips had been in Feb/March or November, during slow times. This was the first time I’ve been there during the summer, and I’ll never do it again. Outside of the baby rides, wait times ranged from 2-4 hours, it was impossible to navigate the stroller and if it wasn’t thunder storming it was 95 w/ 95 % humidity. That’s not even bringing up the price...

I won’t say we’ll never go back because of the convenience to my parents house, but I definitely won’t go back during peak times.
Eric on Li.....what small upstarts has it leveled the playing field  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 7:06 pm : link
for? Are you talking about the increase in available content? They still go through Netflix, Amazon, and Disney. I'm actually kind of curious to hear your thoughts on that.
I Never Got The Fascinating With The Disney Franchise  
Trainmaster : 8/19/2019 7:10 pm : link
IMHO all their cartoons, characters stunk. I was a Warner Bros / Looney Toons cartoon fan growing up.

I’m amazed at how much time and $ people are willing to spend to wait in long lines for mediocre rides and poor quality, over priced food.

RE: Nobody goes there anymore,  
Joey from GlenCove : 8/19/2019 7:10 pm : link
In comment 14536199 Pete in MD said:
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it's too crowded.


I caught your yoigism
Disney = The American Haj  
GiantsUA : 8/19/2019 7:12 pm : link
.
Movie tickets are about 33 percent more expensive than they  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 7:22 pm : link
were 20 years ago when you account for inflation. Which makes sense considering what movie theaters have done to get people in the doors. Bigger screens, better projectors, better sound systems, extremely comfortable seats.

Sports tickets went up because you had a lot more corporate players in the game buying tickets, driving up price.

RE: RE: I would  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/19/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14536234 Zeke's Alibi said:
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The Lion King, Toy Story, Frozen, and they are starting a massive internet streaming service soon. I'm going to have to disagree with that. They have actually been so succesful I can't believe they haven't been cited for monopolistic practices. Actually I can, this country bows down to it's multinational overlords now.

Monopolistic? In what way? There are many other theme park options: Universal, Six Flags, Cedar Point, etc, etc.
Disney  
Simms : 8/19/2019 7:29 pm : link
My next door neighbor has attended Disney if FLA no joke over 200 times.

He used a Disney credit card and racked up major points by charging his children's college tuition. Unfortunately he managed to do this up to next to last year of his one child's last year.

And he managed to buy park hopper passes when it was easier to use the last day of those of others before they started to regulate them.

Can only ponder what he has spent to date.
Monopolistic is the wrong word, more oligopolistic is more accurate.  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/19/2019 7:37 pm : link
They own major market shares in various entertainment ventures.
Walt Steadnow Enterprises has done a masterful job  
Red Dog : 8/19/2019 7:43 pm : link
of separating a lot of people from money that they should not be spending on entertainment. My hat is off to them for their fleecing of America.

Something like half the people in the country don't have $5,000 to cover an emergency, and no real savings for retirement, often because they spent it on Walt Dizzy attractions or cell phones or cruises to the Caribbean or something else that they don't need.
The MBAs who run the entertainment industry  
81_Great_Dane : 8/19/2019 7:50 pm : link
dream of making products with a predictable cost and return. They want predictability above all. So they love pre-sold intellectual property, franchises, sequels, remakes, reboots and cinematic universes. Their market research can tell them that if they put these actors in, spend this much, sell these territories for this much money, that they'll make a relatively predictable return. All that is out the window on original material. So the money people don't like originals that much.

In that way, the movie and TV businesses have never been so "successful." (Games too? I don't follow that business so much.) They produce a lot of disposable crap, but it's predictably profitable disposable crap. They're perfectly happy with that. If you're judging by artistic quality, well, they're not. They're not opposed to artistry as long as it can be achieved at a price and it doesn't interfere with returns. Nothing too risky, nothing too out-there. There more expensive the project, the safer the creative approach.
Disney  
Devour the Day : 8/19/2019 8:00 pm : link
After going back to Disneyworld in the early 80s and seeing the cost and crowds I immediately bought and started to Dollar cost average into Disney stock. I rationalized next time when we visit and feel like we are getting fleeced at least its like paying back into my investment. And it was one of the best moves I made.
RE: RE: I would  
Hsilwek92 : 8/19/2019 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14536220 vonritz said:
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In comment 14536187 Eric from BBI said:


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also add the movie and marketing industries, both which have significantly regressed in their professional capabilities.



Nope.


Yup.

See, I can throw out uneducated, unfounded bullshit too!
There’s better movies being made now  
UConn4523 : 8/19/2019 8:31 pm : link
than ever before, and that’s right alongside the garbage blockbusters that are well marketed. Some people really need to get with the times.
Sorry fellas  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/19/2019 8:32 pm : link
but the movie industry is absolute crap now. Just utter garbage. They just pump out the same shit every year now.

And marketing? Just dreadful. They made better and more effective commercials decades ago.

Those who can't see it don't want to accept it.
RE: RE: I would  
Hsilwek92 : 8/19/2019 8:33 pm : link
In comment 14536234 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14536187 Eric from BBI said:


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also add the movie and marketing industries, both which have significantly regressed in their professional capabilities.



The Lion King, Toy Story, Frozen, and they are starting a massive internet streaming service soon. I'm going to have to disagree with that. They have actually been so succesful I can't believe they haven't been cited for monopolistic practices. Actually I can, this country bows down to it's multinational overlords now.


Not to mention since they’ve acquired Fox’s properties, a reboot of Home Alone nobody ever asked for. Also a reboot of Pirates of the Caribbean among others.

But yeah, the industry has been completely on the front lines of creativity recently.
RE: Sorry fellas  
Hsilwek92 : 8/19/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14536294 Eric from BBI said:
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but the movie industry is absolute crap now. Just utter garbage. They just pump out the same shit every year now.

And marketing? Just dreadful. They made better and more effective commercials decades ago.

Those who can't see it don't want to accept it.


100% agree.

The lack of original ideas is pathetic.
RE: Sorry fellas  
UConn4523 : 8/19/2019 8:37 pm : link
In comment 14536294 Eric from BBI said:
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but the movie industry is absolute crap now. Just utter garbage. They just pump out the same shit every year now.

And marketing? Just dreadful. They made better and more effective commercials decades ago.

Those who can't see it don't want to accept it.


Sorry Eric, you sound like an old man. The acting ability of today’s actors, and the amount of them dwarf what we’ve seen in prior decades. Sorry they aren’t pumping out enough WWI movies to wet your whistle.

And the marketing is working, hence the amount of blockbusters.

There’s 2 industries and you seem to lump them both together. Blockbuster which are annoying after a while and then all the other great, lower budget films with exception writing and acting.
There’s tons of creativity  
UConn4523 : 8/19/2019 8:38 pm : link
but as another poster mentioned the return on investment from reboots is almost guaranteed. How do you guys not get that?
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