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Baker Mayfield on Daniel Jones Pick

armstead98 : 8/20/2019 8:30 am
“I cannot believe the Giants took Daniel Jones. Blows my mind…Some people overthink it [what makes a good quarterback]. That’s where they go wrong. They forget you’ve gotta win.”

From the GQ article.
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I thought NFL QBs  
ryanmkeane : 8/20/2019 11:59 am : link
were sort of a fraternity, you don't talk bad about each other, etc. This is really strange, i guess not surprising. Let's see how long Mayfield's "unapologetic" whole ordeal lasts in Cleveland. He talks about "winning" in college - time and time again this is essentially proven to have almost no bearing on NFL success. Look at some the great QBs in the NFL today...what the hell did they ever win in college?

Kid needs to take a seat and win something himself in the NFL before he starts chirping.
RE: Funny thing  
ryanmkeane : 8/20/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14536724 darren in pdx said:
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to say because anyone paying attention realises Jones is the only reason why Duke even won any games..

Its incredibly bizarre that nobody realizes this. Same thing with Goff at Cal.
RE: The other part of this is  
DonQuixote : 8/20/2019 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14536640 JonC said:
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who the fuck is Baker Mayfield? Speak up after you've won something yourself, son.


Actually, it would be better if just never spoke up. If he actually wins something, it would not somehow be more graceful to dump on someone else in such a petty way.
Someone should have reminded  
dep026 : 8/20/2019 12:06 pm : link
Mayfield that Goff was 14-23 in college and Mahomes had a losing record too. What a fucking moron this bird is.
RE: Someone should have reminded  
RobCarpenter : 8/20/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14536742 dep026 said:
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Mayfield that Goff was 14-23 in college and Mahomes had a losing record too. What a fucking moron this bird is.


Let Ranaan know that too while you are at it.
You can even put aside the QB fraternity thing for a minute  
Chris684 : 8/20/2019 12:09 pm : link
and just say there's a general rule of thumb in life not to be a huge dickhead.

Here is a 2nd year player in the league, with the huge task of trying to turn a woe-begotten franchise around and is one of the brightest young talents in the league and here he is shitting on a rookie.

All across the league you see players admire their peers. Barkley with some nice comments about Zeke. Even in MLB yesterday you saw Bellinger congratulate Alonso for breaking his rookie HR record and Alonso politely acknowledge in return.

This asshole provides a quote and it's to tear down a rookie?



Last I checked  
David B. : 8/20/2019 12:09 pm : link
Mayfield isn't any more of a scout than anyone else who slammed the pick. Can't picture a reason for him to have watched ANY film on Jones.

There's more to a QB than his W/L record. Maybe the Giants wanted a QB who didn't say stupid shit in the press? . . . in the NYC market.

If so, and the Browns had taken Barkley, the Giants might well have passed on Mayfield (too).
Why talk  
rocco8112 : 8/20/2019 12:09 pm : link
about other players? Another professional new the league like yourself. The arrogance of this guy is unreal and it has only served to make him rich, successful and famous so far. So what the hell do I know.

That said, I will love it if this Brown team crashes and burns to the ground. Great entertainment.
RE: RE: RE: You don't disprespect other players  
bw in dc : 8/20/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14536708 dep026 said:
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And say what? “Hey man, I didn’t mean to talk shit and disrespect you behind your back... ya know that wasn’t suppose to happen. My bad dude. You’re gonna be great!!”


Keep it simple.

What I said was disrespectful and out of line. And I shouldn't have any of it. I apologize for that and for dragging you into this.
RE: Mayfield isn't doing himself any favors  
Greg from LI : 8/20/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14536687 Jay on the Island said:
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Fans respected him because he played well and has a fiery attitude but that will all change if he begins bashing other players around the league.


No one's going to give a shit. Cmon.
I think both are going to be very good QBs  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2019 12:15 pm : link
in this league for years to come. But Baker should really put a sock in it, even if he thought it was off the record.
RE: RE: Mayfield isn't doing himself any favors  
Chris684 : 8/20/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14536755 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14536687 Jay on the Island said:


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Fans respected him because he played well and has a fiery attitude but that will all change if he begins bashing other players around the league.



No one's going to give a shit. Cmon.


You must be thrilled.

You were all over Mayfield's jock before this. Now he's shitting on a rookie Dookie.

Hooray for "Bake"!
Somebody should have Kirk Van Houten show mayfield  
jlukes : 8/20/2019 12:15 pm : link
what dignity looks like

Good lord, you're pathetic  
Greg from LI : 8/20/2019 12:20 pm : link
.
What an arrogant prick  
Ryan in Albany : 8/20/2019 12:20 pm : link
Fuck BM.

Odell can fuck off too.
RE: RE: Mayfield isn't doing himself any favors  
Jay on the Island : 8/20/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14536755 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14536687 Jay on the Island said:


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Fans respected him because he played well and has a fiery attitude but that will all change if he begins bashing other players around the league.



No one's going to give a shit. Cmon.

Look at this thread.
RE: RE: Someone should have reminded  
Jay on the Island : 8/20/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14536743 RobCarpenter said:
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Mayfield that Goff was 14-23 in college and Mahomes had a losing record too. What a fucking moron this bird is.



Let Ranaan know that too while you are at it.

He works for ESPN he doesn’t care about being factually correct. He’s just going to continue to be a troll journalist.
RE: Last I checked  
Bill L : 8/20/2019 12:26 pm : link
In comment 14536749 David B. said:
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Mayfield isn't any more of a scout than anyone else who slammed the pick. Can't picture a reason for him to have watched ANY film on Jones.

There's more to a QB than his W/L record. Maybe the Giants wanted a QB who didn't say stupid shit in the press? . . . in the NYC market.

If so, and the Browns had taken Barkley, the Giants might well have passed on Mayfield (too).

Honestly don't think he could have survived here.
You're using this thread to support your argument, Jay?  
Greg from LI : 8/20/2019 12:30 pm : link
This is a Giants board. Unsurprisingly, Mayfield slugging the Giants's #1 pick has pissed people off here. Not sure why that is evidence that fans of other teams would give a shit.
Family  
Thegratefulhead : 8/20/2019 12:32 pm : link
The Giants are family. Family can insult family. Outsiders get a 2 by 4 to the head for insulting family. I thought everyone from NY/NJ understood this. Sure it is hypocritical, but the 2 by 4 is still coming for your head. Be prepared to duck.
I get it that this is a Giants fan site...  
RC in MD : 8/20/2019 12:32 pm : link
and we're very protective of our team and players. But other than Mayfield being a bit of a douche, a talented douche at that, who cares? When we play the Browns, I want the Giants to beat them and make their QB look bad whether he said mean things about our rookie or not.

This is why everyone needs to understand that football is part of the entertainment industry...because it's full of drama for the fans.
RE: You're using this thread to support your argument, Jay?  
RC in MD : 8/20/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14536810 Greg from LI said:
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This is a Giants board. Unsurprisingly, Mayfield slugging the Giants's #1 pick has pissed people off here. Not sure why that is evidence that fans of other teams would give a shit.


This...especially since I'm sure fans of other teams will agree with Mayfield until Jones really shows that he was worth the 6th overall pick.
didn't John Elway have a losing record  
Dr. D : 8/20/2019 12:36 pm : link
at Stanford?

I guess in Mayfield's tiny mind, everybody stupid.
Irrational  
Thegratefulhead : 8/20/2019 12:36 pm : link
I am completely and totally unapologetic for my take. I read the quote and I want to see his face smashed. Imagining it makes me smile. I guess I'm just fucked up.
RE: You're using this thread to support your argument, Jay?  
Jay on the Island : 8/20/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14536810 Greg from LI said:
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This is a Giants board. Unsurprisingly, Mayfield slugging the Giants's #1 pick has pissed people off here. Not sure why that is evidence that fans of other teams would give a shit.

Greg, you missed my point. If he continues to badmouth players around the league he will quickly lose fans from other fan bases. I actually thought the kid got a bad rap because of his attitude but now I realize that most of it is warranted. What does he gain from this?

What if he bashes the wrong player? He risks taking a cheap shots from a defender if he angers the wrong guy.

Cleveland should be a great story because they have sucked for so long but between all the talking from players like Mayfield and Beckham they now have most of the fans rooting for them to falter.
Maybe it's because I only really follow Giants news during the  
figgy2989 : 8/20/2019 12:42 pm : link
preseason, but has anyone heard of any other players around the league take shots at players from other teams? Even players going so far as to take shots at their previous teams? Even with all the BS surrounding AB, has he taken shots at the Steelers?

Maybe its easy to take shots at the Giants and pile on because the way they have played the last two years.
Someone should tell Mayfield that Elway  
PhilSimms15 : 8/20/2019 12:44 pm : link
did not have a winning record at Stanford and never won a bowl game. His teams were 20-23


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I think drawing conclusions per winning/losing  
Pep22 : 8/20/2019 12:45 pm : link
of any individual player without context of who they are playing with and against is really stupid yet it goes on and it is an abused concept particularly when judging QBs, goalies and pitchers.
Phil Simms has a losing  
joeinpa : 8/20/2019 12:46 pm : link
Record at Division 2 Morehead St
This is why if the Giants had the opportunity  
Blue21 : 8/20/2019 12:54 pm : link
they never would have drafted him.
RE: You don't disprespect other players  
santacruzom : 8/20/2019 12:54 pm : link
In comment 14536672 Jay on the Island said:
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PFT is speculating that Mayfield made these remarks with the belief that it was off the record.


It sure seems like it. The article talks about how he offered that quote while they were eating and watching ESPN. He had an opinion on the matter like millions of people, and he shared it. Probably conversationally and not even during the course of the actual interview.

He probably really is an asshole, but I just don't really care about athletes having opinions about the sport they play, especially when those opinions are fairly and relatively tame instead of being personal axes they are grinding.
Well, Giants should play them in 2020.  
Heisenberg : 8/20/2019 12:55 pm : link
I guess, because of Odell and Baker, it will be some kind of dumb rivalry when they do?
At least it'll rally Giants fans around Jones  
bceagle05 : 8/20/2019 12:57 pm : link
the same way Tiki rallied fans around Eli with his infamous comments.
RE: RE: You don't disprespect other players  
Bill L : 8/20/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14536870 santacruzom said:
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In comment 14536672 Jay on the Island said:


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PFT is speculating that Mayfield made these remarks with the belief that it was off the record.



It sure seems like it. The article talks about how he offered that quote while they were eating and watching ESPN. He had an opinion on the matter like millions of people, and he shared it. Probably conversationally and not even during the course of the actual interview.

He probably really is an asshole, but I just don't really care about athletes having opinions about the sport they play, especially when those opinions are fairly and relatively tame instead of being personal axes they are grinding.


If you look at the right sidebar timeline in this article, you cant sort of get a feel as to whether or not he is an asshole.
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First off...that comment was in GQ...think about that...  
RC in MD : 8/20/2019 1:01 pm : link
no one really reads GQ anymore, especially not for football anything. I doubt many people are going to even know about this story. Maybe ESPN or Bleacher Report will link it, but I doubt that anyone will really disagree with his sentiment.

Second, he made a comment that most football fans have made and continue to make to this day. While I'm sure it's in bad form for one player to talk about another player, it's not like he came out and said that Jones is a shitty player or whatever. He was responding to the Giants drafting him so high.

No one but Giants fans are going to care...no one.
RE: First off...that comment was in GQ...think about that...  
UConn4523 : 8/20/2019 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14536882 RC in MD said:
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no one really reads GQ anymore, especially not for football anything. I doubt many people are going to even know about this story. Maybe ESPN or Bleacher Report will link it, but I doubt that anyone will really disagree with his sentiment.

Second, he made a comment that most football fans have made and continue to make to this day. While I'm sure it's in bad form for one player to talk about another player, it's not like he came out and said that Jones is a shitty player or whatever. He was responding to the Giants drafting him so high.

No one but Giants fans are going to care...no one.


It doesn't matter where it was said. He said it, and it will be news. Plenty will "care" because it isn't often that one player speaks negatively about another, especially at the QB position. This is a really bad look for Baker, really bad. Talk shit about bad calls, being underdogs, etc. but to call out another player about his draft status and the supposed incompetence of the organization to go along with it, and yeah, its going to be and should be big news.

I personally don't give a shit, doesn't effect me at all. But he is an asshole, no doubt about it now.
RE: First off...that comment was in GQ...think about that...  
Bill L : 8/20/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14536882 RC in MD said:
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no one really reads GQ anymore, especially not for football anything. I doubt many people are going to even know about this story. Maybe ESPN or Bleacher Report will link it, but I doubt that anyone will really disagree with his sentiment.

Second, he made a comment that most football fans have made and continue to make to this day. While I'm sure it's in bad form for one player to talk about another player, it's not like he came out and said that Jones is a shitty player or whatever. He was responding to the Giants drafting him so high.

No one but Giants fans are going to care...no one.

I don't know that I agree with this. Maybe only Giants fans will care but it's hot news. Besides ESPN already putting it up on their website, the NY Post has an article about it and since Shurmer was asked multiple questions about it in today's press conference, you can bet it will headline nearly all of tomorrow's regional papers. This will, eventually, cause Jones and, likely, all of Jones' teammates to respond and bring it through another news cycle or two.
Last summer, there was plenty of national press  
Bill L : 8/20/2019 1:10 pm : link
and national opinions, on Laveon Bell vs his OL teammates and what was said (by the teammates) on the record. Likewise AB and Big Ben...
Is Mayfield even aware  
mrvax : 8/20/2019 1:11 pm : link
that DJ had zero of his teammates drafted this year? There's a lot more to a QB than team wins/losses.

Being chased down and tackled by local police doesn't usually happen to decent people.

Browns fans are cursed for some reason.
RE: Is Mayfield even aware  
HoustonGiant : 8/20/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14536905 mrvax said:
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that DJ had zero of his teammates drafted this year? There's a lot more to a QB than team wins/losses.

Being chased down and tackled by local police doesn't usually happen to decent people.

Browns fans are cursed for some reason.


Exactly!!! Mayfield fought his way to starting QB on a perennial powerhouse loaded with talent. Becoming the started was impressive, but winning with his supporting cast was expected.
Mayfield is walking this back  
montanagiant : 8/20/2019 1:44 pm : link
He claims it was taken out of context and not meat as it was portrayed
RE: Mayfield is walking this back  
Britt in VA : 8/20/2019 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14536966 montanagiant said:
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He claims it was taken out of context and not meat as it was portrayed


Of course he is. It was uncalled for and extremely unprofessional.
fwiw  
Strahan91 : 8/20/2019 1:49 pm : link
Mayfield clarified today:

"This is not what I said... just so we're clear! I also said I was surprised I got drafted number one. Then was talking about the flaws in evaluating QB's. Where I brought up winning being important. Reporters and media will do anything to come up with a click bait story. Heard nothing but good things and wish nothing but the best for Daniel."
RE: fwiw  
Bill L : 8/20/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14536974 Strahan91 said:
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Mayfield clarified today:

"This is not what I said... just so we're clear! I also said I was surprised I got drafted number one. Then was talking about the flaws in evaluating QB's. Where I brought up winning being important. Reporters and media will do anything to come up with a click bait story. Heard nothing but good things and wish nothing but the best for Daniel."

Even that seldom turns out well. Reporters get their dander up and start rebutting, releasing transcripts/tapes, etc. This likely will not die down for a while.
Those who were Baker fans will continue to be fans...  
RC in MD : 8/20/2019 1:53 pm : link
those who weren't will still not be his fans. Eh...it'll blow over when the next story comes out about something else.

Once again, none of you would give a shit if some player came out and said that OBJ was a dickball...actually most of you will agree with that player and cheer him on. It's a big fucking who gives a fuck.
The way im reading this...  
John In CO : 8/20/2019 1:56 pm : link
is that this isn't really about Daniel Jones. Its about DG PICKING Daniel Jones. Just one more thing to throw on the fire to bash the evil DG who treated his new best buddy so harshly.

I cant recall ever having heard an active NFL player bashing another teams draft pick. Ever. Parents of kids who are Browns fans must just love the example this kind of crap is setting.

I have never in my life rooted for a player in any sport to get injured, but man......a few guys in Cleveland are really pushing my limits.
My point is that...  
RC in MD : 8/20/2019 1:56 pm : link
the whole "players shouldn't talk shit about another player on the media" is totally bullshit. Most on this board would cheer players coming out talking shit about OBJ and his selfish attitude or any other personal defects.

Spare me the whole, "it's not professional" nonsense.
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twostepgiants : 8/20/2019 1:57 pm : link
In comment 14536637 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14536555 Chip said:


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from a QB with a losing record in the pros.



Actually he doesn’t. He didn’t start the first 2 games of the year at 0-2.

His record is 7-6-1 as starter.



Actually, it isn't.

Find another angle.


I guess it was wrong for me to give credit to Mayfield for winning a game he entered in the 2Q down 14-0.
Coherd eviscerates Baker  
Bill L : 8/20/2019 2:03 pm : link
on the general point about winning being the sole determinant of a good QB
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RE: Those who were Baker fans will continue to be fans...  
Ryan in Albany : 8/20/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14536979 RC in MD said:
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those who weren't will still not be his fans. Eh...it'll blow over when the next story comes out about something else.

Once again, none of you would give a shit if some player came out and said that OBJ was a dickball...actually most of you will agree with that player and cheer him on. It's a big fucking who gives a fuck.


Your analogy sucks. People give a shit because who the fuck is Mayfield to open his mouth criticizing the NYG draft pick? GTFO. Worry about the fucking browns.
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