Is anyone at all curious as to why several of the guys traded are claiming they were screwed or lied to and continue to be vexed about it? Isn't that a little unusual? Or are you all just listening to the house siren song that these people were all malcontents who needed to be dumped so the unicorns and rainbows would come out.
Sheesh, HJ, are you still feeling butthurt about Giants' treatment of TC? And, yes, no question, I agree that it should have been Reese first, or both together.
But, back to the premise of the OP:
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Beckham also said he felt stifled in New York, between the intense media environment and the Giants organization.
One guy who didn't stifle him was TC, in the awful Norman WWE event. Had TC actually been the adult in the room, the disciplinarian he claimed to be, he would have benched him then and there and maybe for the next game also. Maybe that would have helped OBJ gain some perspective, re-think his 'I am bigger than the team' mentality. Naahh, likely not. But it would have brought things to a head more quickly.
That failure on his (Tom's) part, and his failure to own up to it afterwards, was the beginning of the end for him.
Give me a break. Odell is who is he is, for better or worse.
TC doing something that day wasn't going alter anything.
Agree with this. Coughlin gets WAY too much shit for this, and it was a hot take at the time.
Two things I remember about that time period. One was Beckham open to being "coached/coachable". I remember interviews with him where he said "I told Coach to stay on me, stay on me coach, I need it..."
And then, in the post game of that debacle, Tom Coughlin said specifically "He needs to learn. He needs to be out there and learn". I've always assumed he meant learn to properly channel that anger, learn how it affects the team negatively and what happens when you take the bait as Beckham did from Norman. And let's not forget, Josh Norman started all that shit. This was a lesson in what not do do and I believe Coughlin was thinking longer term than one game.
But that's just my take. I know some think that symbolizes and old senile man that couldn't reach the young athlete.
Idk, if I was a Browns fan, I’d be kinda insulted by that comment lol. Players go to the Browns to die? Thanks a lot Odell. Baker Mayfield being the over sensitive diva that he is, should be a little annoyed too.
Look, they're the worst franchise in football since the original franchise moved to Baltimore - there's truth to what Beckham said.
But it's entertaining to watch him put his foot in his mouth.
He really did put his foot in his mouth. In a big way. Lol. Just amazed that Odell couldnt see how Browns fans, as bad as they’ve been, are still proud and want to win.
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They sent him to Cleveland. Its absolutely hilarious. They called only one other team. Buffalo. Mara and Gettleman knew exactly what they were doing and how much it would drive Beckham crazy. He’s in the AFC who they play one time every four years. The way Beckham’s health is trending it’s 50/50 they’ll have to see him even twice for the rest of his career. Well played Giants.
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Is anyone at all curious as to why several of the guys traded are claiming they were screwed or lied to and continue to be vexed about it? Isn't that a little unusual? Or are you all just listening to the house siren song that these people were all malcontents who needed to be dumped so the unicorns and rainbows would come out.
Sheesh, HJ, are you still feeling butthurt about Giants' treatment of TC? And, yes, no question, I agree that it should have been Reese first, or both together.
But, back to the premise of the OP:
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Beckham also said he felt stifled in New York, between the intense media environment and the Giants organization.
One guy who didn't stifle him was TC, in the awful Norman WWE event. Had TC actually been the adult in the room, the disciplinarian he claimed to be, he would have benched him then and there and maybe for the next game also. Maybe that would have helped OBJ gain some perspective, re-think his 'I am bigger than the team' mentality. Naahh, likely not. But it would have brought things to a head more quickly.
That failure on his (Tom's) part, and his failure to own up to it afterwards, was the beginning of the end for him.
This is Coughlins fault? Holy Stretch.
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They sent him to Cleveland. Its absolutely hilarious. They called only one other team. Buffalo. Mara and Gettleman knew exactly what they were doing and how much it would drive Beckham crazy. He’s in the AFC who they play one time every four years. The way Beckham’s health is trending it’s 50/50 they’ll have to see him even twice for the rest of his career. Well played Giants.
I think the value was there but I 100% buy this as well. No doubt he would have rather played for SF even if he couldn't get to LA. Still, if you are being a pro nothing close to this is coming out of your mouth.
is how good of a performance odell put in. He was the reason we had a chance to win it
ron, as hot a debate topic as Odell is here, no one I can think of, certainly not me, doubts his talent. I could hardly believe the team's good fortune as it became apparent just how good he was.
But your point about his performance up to the point where he lost his head--and the serial apologizers and defenders above who cry about Norman's role--is beside the point. When TC failed to reign him in, this was a big deal in terms of the cohesion of a football team, where teamwork and everyone pulling in the same direction are paramount. It signaled that the HC had variable standards as to who had to play by team rules and what's for the benefit of the team and who did not. That's a significant tell in this game of football. And that is how it played out, as it turned out.
is how good of a performance odell put in. He was the reason we had a chance to win it
ron, as hot a debate topic as Odell is here, no one I can think of, certainly not me, doubts his talent. I could hardly believe the team's good fortune as it became apparent just how good he was.
But your point about his performance up to the point where he lost his head--and the serial apologizers and defenders above who cry about Norman's role--is beside the point. When TC failed to reign him in, this was a big deal in terms of the cohesion of a football team, where teamwork and everyone pulling in the same direction are paramount. It signaled that the HC had variable standards as to who had to play by team rules and what's for the benefit of the team and who did not. That's a significant tell in this game of football. And that is how it played out, as it turned out.
What happened there was unprecedented. So much so that the NFL made a rule about it the following year.
That was not a player being held to a different standard over the course of a season. This was about one game/instance, and one so extraordinary that they changed the rules because of it.
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is how good of a performance odell put in. He was the reason we had a chance to win it
ron, as hot a debate topic as Odell is here, no one I can think of, certainly not me, doubts his talent. I could hardly believe the team's good fortune as it became apparent just how good he was.
But your point about his performance up to the point where he lost his head--and the serial apologizers and defenders above who cry about Norman's role--is beside the point. When TC failed to reign him in, this was a big deal in terms of the cohesion of a football team, where teamwork and everyone pulling in the same direction are paramount. It signaled that the HC had variable standards as to who had to play by team rules and what's for the benefit of the team and who did not. That's a significant tell in this game of football. And that is how it played out, as it turned out.
Plus, as good as he was in that game, one consequence was that he was suspended for a game and had undue focus, including pregame warnings, for the next several games. There may have been an unsportmsanlike or two mixed in as well, but I can't really recall. So, it wasn't all help; some of it was hurt.
get the anger and vitriol directed at guys like Beckham. he's not some great intellectual, thinker or someone who has anything interesting to say. Like most elite athletes he is basically an uninteresting ignoramus. I would not be interested to spend more than ten minutes with such people. They mostly have nothing interesting to say outside of their perception of sports. And I have met many pro athletes, related to my work and sometimes just out and about. They are interesting because of their athletic exploits, not because of anything they have in their minds.
I don't get that you don't get the anger.
It's like having a former employee, friend, guest, etc. talking trash about you, especially after you gave them what they supposed wanted.
really? it's like a friend trash-talking you. not making too much of this? athletes are fucking idiots for most part. many, like OBJ, are raging narcissists. Who gives a shit what he says. He was great for us while he was here and now he's gone, because the team determined they couldn't win with him. They were probably right. Sayonara. He's just bitching and pining for attention. Ignore it, I say.
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is how good of a performance odell put in. He was the reason we had a chance to win it
ron, as hot a debate topic as Odell is here, no one I can think of, certainly not me, doubts his talent. I could hardly believe the team's good fortune as it became apparent just how good he was.
But your point about his performance up to the point where he lost his head--and the serial apologizers and defenders above who cry about Norman's role--is beside the point. When TC failed to reign him in, this was a big deal in terms of the cohesion of a football team, where teamwork and everyone pulling in the same direction are paramount. It signaled that the HC had variable standards as to who had to play by team rules and what's for the benefit of the team and who did not. That's a significant tell in this game of football. And that is how it played out, as it turned out.
I'f my memory serves, most of his big plays happened after the earhole incident. My memory may be off, looking at the box score for that game he didn't have the monster game I thought he did.
...would have been STOKED for the opportunity to be a part of potentially turning the Browns into a legitimate contender - to celebrate the rich history of football in that city, to embrace it's culture, it's fans - to be as beloved as the other hero's and greats that city has produced over the last century.
He's still rich enough to travel wherever the hell he wants. Outside of football season, he doesn't even need to live there.
He should be ALL IN on this and as much fun as I'm having watching him implode, indeed giving in to exactly the 'exile to Siberia' he's accusing the Giants of - it's sad.
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is how good of a performance odell put in. He was the reason we had a chance to win it
ron, as hot a debate topic as Odell is here, no one I can think of, certainly not me, doubts his talent. I could hardly believe the team's good fortune as it became apparent just how good he was.
But your point about his performance up to the point where he lost his head--and the serial apologizers and defenders above who cry about Norman's role--is beside the point. When TC failed to reign him in, this was a big deal in terms of the cohesion of a football team, where teamwork and everyone pulling in the same direction are paramount. It signaled that the HC had variable standards as to who had to play by team rules and what's for the benefit of the team and who did not. That's a significant tell in this game of football. And that is how it played out, as it turned out.
I'f my memory serves, most of his big plays happened after the earhole incident. My memory may be off, looking at the box score for that game he didn't have the monster game I thought he did.
He caught the game tying TD, over Norman one on one, with a minute left in the game.
He will not even realize that he insulted Cleveland Â
...I'f my memory serves, most of his big plays happened after the earhole incident. My memory may be off, looking at the box score for that game he didn't have the monster game I thought he did.
Thanks for the candor, and I would have taken you at your word, or recall. What stood out for me about that game was the melt-down, the not taking him off the field, TC's utter lack of candor in the post-game presser (he walked it back slightly on Monday AM). It was stunning to me, but it didn't turn me against Odell. I was perplexed, confused, I guess, because it wouldn't become clear whether this was going to become a constant.
On the other hand, and FMiC roasts this point of view, I was pissed off when the boat story before the Packers game came out, and we know how that played out.
What a waste, for team and player to have it go this way.
seen a guy get so fucked up by fame as Beckham. As alluded to above, he simply can't handle it and it's sad to watch it unfold on TV. This guy is a complete embarrassment and I'm glad I don't have to root for him anymore.
Beckham is afraid the Browns won’t make the playoffs With him Â
Not Mara, not Tisch, not Reese, not Coughlin, not McAdoo and quite frankly neither did Shurmur or Gettleman (at least in year one).
The truth is, Beckham is no good and we do know now that it likely wouldn't have mattered how they handled him.
He is an asshole now just as he was an asshole in 2016 when he was performing at a high level.
Some of us have been saying it the whole time.
I think if they were able to put together a winning team, these issues would not have surfaced. Or at least be limited to fringe issues like TD celebrations and hotel room videos.
I think you can win with a guy like OBJ if you have the rest of the pieces in place, but he is not a guy you want during a rebuild.
Their real failure was in building the rest of the roster, not in mis-handling OBJ.
Gettlemen said on the day he was hired "I don't want players who want to win, I want players who hate to lose"
He probably followed it up during the 2018 season with a "NOT LIKE THAT!"
The boat trip followed by choking in the Playoff game was when I started turning on him too. He is a cautionary tale of what can happen to a star athlete in the modern era.
to the city and people of Cleveland. It is clear he sees being traded there as a punishment and can't get past that. If I were a fan of the Browns I think I would be more concerned that he sees our city, town and team as a death sentence.
This +1 -- I'd be super annoyed as a Browns fan at this stuff .
I thought some of the dumb stuff he did was blown out of proportion. But he's way too focused on how his time in NY fell apart, and this was a dumb thing to say. It's done, move on - plus pretty insulting to CLE fans. I didn't really root against him and Mayfield, but they are making it hard by trying to create some rivalry - win some games first before talking so much...
I thought some of the dumb stuff he did was blown out of proportion. But he's way too focused on how his time in NY fell apart, and this was a dumb thing to say. It's done, move on - plus pretty insulting to CLE fans. I didn't really root against him and Mayfield, but they are making it hard by trying to create some rivalry - win some games first before talking so much...
if he wanted to stay in NY he had a funny way of showing it..
He is just mad lefraud James left Cleveland to L.A. before he got his Drama ass traded to the Browns.Poor Baby, with all that money you got from the Giants no wonder why your Hip Hurts.I thought T.O., Chris Carter, Randy Moss,Chad Johnson were divas, but OBJ AND ANTONIO BROWN Take it to a hole new Level.
and from a talent perspective, that is true. However, his mouth and actions (plus being injury prone) may end up costing him in the long run.
I would not be surprised if one day years from now we will be talking about how he blew is chance to get into the hall of fame.
I loved Odell when he was here, but to call him a generational talent is offbase. Deandre Hopkins is a better player than him most definetly, and he may only be the 5th best WR in the league. That isn't generational.
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and from a talent perspective, that is true. However, his mouth and actions (plus being injury prone) may end up costing him in the long run.
I would not be surprised if one day years from now we will be talking about how he blew is chance to get into the hall of fame.
So the thing is, yeah, he was the type of WR that you don't get very often.
However - I don't know how much longer Beckham would've stayed, well, Beckham. I think he does well this year when he's on the field because Cleveland is stacked, but the arrow might be trending downhill.
And who knows where his head is.
The trade was the correct move.
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I loved Odell when he was here, but to call him a generational talent is offbase. Deandre Hopkins is a better player than him most definetly, and he may only be the 5th best WR in the league. That isn't generational.
"Most definitely"? Hopkins has certainly managed to stay healthier (especially the last 2 seasons), but they've scored almost an equal amount of TDs despite Beckham playing 36 less games in his career.
to the city and people of Cleveland. It is clear he sees being traded there as a punishment and can't get past that. If I were a fan of the Browns I think I would be more concerned that he sees our city, town and team as a death sentence.
My thoughts exactly. What a way to ingratiate yourself to your new fans.
to be suspended for helmet to helmet hit. If I recall correctly he is also the only Giant for being suspended for on-field play. We had drug and domestic abuse and other suspensions but has anyone been suspended for on-field play? Suspension of OBJ - ( New Window )
He won't bring the team down, he'll just get "injured" if he's unhappy.
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Is anyone at all curious as to why several of the guys traded are claiming they were screwed or lied to and continue to be vexed about it? Isn't that a little unusual? Or are you all just listening to the house siren song that these people were all malcontents who needed to be dumped so the unicorns and rainbows would come out.
Sheesh, HJ, are you still feeling butthurt about Giants' treatment of TC? And, yes, no question, I agree that it should have been Reese first, or both together.
But, back to the premise of the OP:
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Beckham also said he felt stifled in New York, between the intense media environment and the Giants organization.
One guy who didn't stifle him was TC, in the awful Norman WWE event. Had TC actually been the adult in the room, the disciplinarian he claimed to be, he would have benched him then and there and maybe for the next game also. Maybe that would have helped OBJ gain some perspective, re-think his 'I am bigger than the team' mentality. Naahh, likely not. But it would have brought things to a head more quickly.
That failure on his (Tom's) part, and his failure to own up to it afterwards, was the beginning of the end for him.
Give me a break. Odell is who is he is, for better or worse.
TC doing something that day wasn't going alter anything.
Agree with this. Coughlin gets WAY too much shit for this, and it was a hot take at the time.
Two things I remember about that time period. One was Beckham open to being "coached/coachable". I remember interviews with him where he said "I told Coach to stay on me, stay on me coach, I need it..."
And then, in the post game of that debacle, Tom Coughlin said specifically "He needs to learn. He needs to be out there and learn". I've always assumed he meant learn to properly channel that anger, learn how it affects the team negatively and what happens when you take the bait as Beckham did from Norman. And let's not forget, Josh Norman started all that shit. This was a lesson in what not do do and I believe Coughlin was thinking longer term than one game.
But that's just my take. I know some think that symbolizes and old senile man that couldn't reach the young athlete.
We give him a QB he wants and his best friend and he shits all the Giants.
He still gets video clips of him doing trick catches in practice in Cleveland.
Isn't that everything he's ever wanted?
*when he wasn't injured or getting an iv in the locker room
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Idk, if I was a Browns fan, I’d be kinda insulted by that comment lol. Players go to the Browns to die? Thanks a lot Odell. Baker Mayfield being the over sensitive diva that he is, should be a little annoyed too.
Look, they're the worst franchise in football since the original franchise moved to Baltimore - there's truth to what Beckham said.
But it's entertaining to watch him put his foot in his mouth.
He really did put his foot in his mouth. In a big way. Lol. Just amazed that Odell couldnt see how Browns fans, as bad as they’ve been, are still proud and want to win.
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Is anyone at all curious as to why several of the guys traded are claiming they were screwed or lied to and continue to be vexed about it? Isn't that a little unusual? Or are you all just listening to the house siren song that these people were all malcontents who needed to be dumped so the unicorns and rainbows would come out.
Sheesh, HJ, are you still feeling butthurt about Giants' treatment of TC? And, yes, no question, I agree that it should have been Reese first, or both together.
But, back to the premise of the OP:
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Beckham also said he felt stifled in New York, between the intense media environment and the Giants organization.
One guy who didn't stifle him was TC, in the awful Norman WWE event. Had TC actually been the adult in the room, the disciplinarian he claimed to be, he would have benched him then and there and maybe for the next game also. Maybe that would have helped OBJ gain some perspective, re-think his 'I am bigger than the team' mentality. Naahh, likely not. But it would have brought things to a head more quickly.
That failure on his (Tom's) part, and his failure to own up to it afterwards, was the beginning of the end for him.
This is Coughlins fault? Holy Stretch.
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is how good of a performance odell put in. He was the reason we had a chance to win it
*when he wasn't injured or getting an iv in the locker room
I'm talking specifically about that Carolina game, but I think you know that.
I think the value was there but I 100% buy this as well. No doubt he would have rather played for SF even if he couldn't get to LA. Still, if you are being a pro nothing close to this is coming out of your mouth.
But your point about his performance up to the point where he lost his head--and the serial apologizers and defenders above who cry about Norman's role--is beside the point. When TC failed to reign him in, this was a big deal in terms of the cohesion of a football team, where teamwork and everyone pulling in the same direction are paramount. It signaled that the HC had variable standards as to who had to play by team rules and what's for the benefit of the team and who did not. That's a significant tell in this game of football. And that is how it played out, as it turned out.
Could be interpreted as him calling them a bunch of losers. Won't be long before they hate him too.
I'm surprised Coughlin didn't nip it in the bud, he was typically pretty good with that type of player.
Except he only gave a shit about saving his job at the time.
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is how good of a performance odell put in. He was the reason we had a chance to win it
ron, as hot a debate topic as Odell is here, no one I can think of, certainly not me, doubts his talent. I could hardly believe the team's good fortune as it became apparent just how good he was.
But your point about his performance up to the point where he lost his head--and the serial apologizers and defenders above who cry about Norman's role--is beside the point. When TC failed to reign him in, this was a big deal in terms of the cohesion of a football team, where teamwork and everyone pulling in the same direction are paramount. It signaled that the HC had variable standards as to who had to play by team rules and what's for the benefit of the team and who did not. That's a significant tell in this game of football. And that is how it played out, as it turned out.
What happened there was unprecedented. So much so that the NFL made a rule about it the following year.
That was not a player being held to a different standard over the course of a season. This was about one game/instance, and one so extraordinary that they changed the rules because of it.
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is how good of a performance odell put in. He was the reason we had a chance to win it
ron, as hot a debate topic as Odell is here, no one I can think of, certainly not me, doubts his talent. I could hardly believe the team's good fortune as it became apparent just how good he was.
But your point about his performance up to the point where he lost his head--and the serial apologizers and defenders above who cry about Norman's role--is beside the point. When TC failed to reign him in, this was a big deal in terms of the cohesion of a football team, where teamwork and everyone pulling in the same direction are paramount. It signaled that the HC had variable standards as to who had to play by team rules and what's for the benefit of the team and who did not. That's a significant tell in this game of football. And that is how it played out, as it turned out.
Plus, as good as he was in that game, one consequence was that he was suspended for a game and had undue focus, including pregame warnings, for the next several games. There may have been an unsportmsanlike or two mixed in as well, but I can't really recall. So, it wasn't all help; some of it was hurt.
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get the anger and vitriol directed at guys like Beckham. he's not some great intellectual, thinker or someone who has anything interesting to say. Like most elite athletes he is basically an uninteresting ignoramus. I would not be interested to spend more than ten minutes with such people. They mostly have nothing interesting to say outside of their perception of sports. And I have met many pro athletes, related to my work and sometimes just out and about. They are interesting because of their athletic exploits, not because of anything they have in their minds.
I don't get that you don't get the anger.
It's like having a former employee, friend, guest, etc. talking trash about you, especially after you gave them what they supposed wanted.
really? it's like a friend trash-talking you. not making too much of this? athletes are fucking idiots for most part. many, like OBJ, are raging narcissists. Who gives a shit what he says. He was great for us while he was here and now he's gone, because the team determined they couldn't win with him. They were probably right. Sayonara. He's just bitching and pining for attention. Ignore it, I say.
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is how good of a performance odell put in. He was the reason we had a chance to win it
ron, as hot a debate topic as Odell is here, no one I can think of, certainly not me, doubts his talent. I could hardly believe the team's good fortune as it became apparent just how good he was.
But your point about his performance up to the point where he lost his head--and the serial apologizers and defenders above who cry about Norman's role--is beside the point. When TC failed to reign him in, this was a big deal in terms of the cohesion of a football team, where teamwork and everyone pulling in the same direction are paramount. It signaled that the HC had variable standards as to who had to play by team rules and what's for the benefit of the team and who did not. That's a significant tell in this game of football. And that is how it played out, as it turned out.
I'f my memory serves, most of his big plays happened after the earhole incident. My memory may be off, looking at the box score for that game he didn't have the monster game I thought he did.
He's still rich enough to travel wherever the hell he wants. Outside of football season, he doesn't even need to live there.
He should be ALL IN on this and as much fun as I'm having watching him implode, indeed giving in to exactly the 'exile to Siberia' he's accusing the Giants of - it's sad.
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is how good of a performance odell put in. He was the reason we had a chance to win it
ron, as hot a debate topic as Odell is here, no one I can think of, certainly not me, doubts his talent. I could hardly believe the team's good fortune as it became apparent just how good he was.
But your point about his performance up to the point where he lost his head--and the serial apologizers and defenders above who cry about Norman's role--is beside the point. When TC failed to reign him in, this was a big deal in terms of the cohesion of a football team, where teamwork and everyone pulling in the same direction are paramount. It signaled that the HC had variable standards as to who had to play by team rules and what's for the benefit of the team and who did not. That's a significant tell in this game of football. And that is how it played out, as it turned out.
I'f my memory serves, most of his big plays happened after the earhole incident. My memory may be off, looking at the box score for that game he didn't have the monster game I thought he did.
He caught the game tying TD, over Norman one on one, with a minute left in the game.
The truth is, Beckham is no good and we do know now that it likely wouldn't have mattered how they handled him.
He is an asshole now just as he was an asshole in 2016 when he was performing at a high level.
Some of us have been saying it the whole time.
On the other hand, and FMiC roasts this point of view, I was pissed off when the boat story before the Packers game came out, and we know how that played out.
What a waste, for team and player to have it go this way.
The truth is, Beckham is no good and we do know now that it likely wouldn't have mattered how they handled him.
He is an asshole now just as he was an asshole in 2016 when he was performing at a high level.
Some of us have been saying it the whole time.
I think if they were able to put together a winning team, these issues would not have surfaced. Or at least be limited to fringe issues like TD celebrations and hotel room videos.
I think you can win with a guy like OBJ if you have the rest of the pieces in place, but he is not a guy you want during a rebuild.
Their real failure was in building the rest of the roster, not in mis-handling OBJ.
Gettlemen said on the day he was hired "I don't want players who want to win, I want players who hate to lose"
He probably followed it up during the 2018 season with a "NOT LIKE THAT!"
This +1 -- I'd be super annoyed as a Browns fan at this stuff .
3. I still like him on the field and I want to see him do well.
if he wanted to stay in NY he had a funny way of showing it..
3. I still like him on the field and I want to see him do well.
100%. exactly my feelings. i hope he does well.. but i'm glad he is off the team.
He's more of an entitled nitwit than anything.
"He's more than just a hole!"
Baker Mayfield
I would not be surprised if one day years from now we will be talking about how he blew is chance to get into the hall of fame.
Is it fair to say that people need to get over people not getting over Beckham?
I would not be surprised if one day years from now we will be talking about how he blew is chance to get into the hall of fame.
I loved Odell when he was here, but to call him a generational talent is offbase. Deandre Hopkins is a better player than him most definetly, and he may only be the 5th best WR in the league. That isn't generational.
I would not be surprised if one day years from now we will be talking about how he blew is chance to get into the hall of fame.
So the thing is, yeah, he was the type of WR that you don't get very often.
However - I don't know how much longer Beckham would've stayed, well, Beckham. I think he does well this year when he's on the field because Cleveland is stacked, but the arrow might be trending downhill.
And who knows where his head is.
The trade was the correct move.
I loved Odell when he was here, but to call him a generational talent is offbase. Deandre Hopkins is a better player than him most definetly, and he may only be the 5th best WR in the league. That isn't generational.
"Most definitely"? Hopkins has certainly managed to stay healthier (especially the last 2 seasons), but they've scored almost an equal amount of TDs despite Beckham playing 36 less games in his career.
My thoughts exactly. What a way to ingratiate yourself to your new fans.
Suspension of OBJ - ( New Window )
3. I still like him on the field and I want to see him do well.
I disagree with #3. I hope he sucks.