Been a while since they've gotten dragged through the mud and piled on like this.
Not that they haven't deserved it in the past couple of years, but we've been so bad it just felt like people didn't care.... But something has awoken in the national spotlight aspect, just the sheer animosity from the media, talking heads, fans, etc.... The vitriol towards the franchise, ownership, management, and now the players.... It's excessive, I think. And I like it.
Good team building exercise. Us against the world. I like it when the Giants play like that. Coughlin used to be a master of motivation with that stuff. Parcells too. Hopefully Shurmur can use some of this stuff to light a fire.
And yeah, I know the usual suspects will jump on this thread and say "you think these guys care about that stuff? Culture and lockerroom is bullshit, etc...."
Yeah, I do believe it matters, and I do believe they are taking note.
Mitch Trabisky got bood by the home town draft audience and at a Bulls game later that week, just as a recent reference.
I guess my definition of brutal and what's galvanizing for a team is just much higher.
To me Jones got panned, and 2 pre-season games later is well regarded and well covered in the press.
When crap like this stops...
Not an..
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:20 am : link : reply
unhinged hater.
Just a pretty dim bulb with a consistently contrarian take.
No one is perfect certainly not DG but the early returns are good. As usual the media has gone out of their way to cast DG in an unfavorable light. And why? Because DG basically told many of them to fuck off, much like coughlin did. Much like so many in this town have done only to be sabotaged or cut open at every turn by the media. It happens every where but it’s more pronounced here with the giants. I’ve never be convinced otherwised.
Mitch Trabisky got bood by the home town draft audience and at a Bulls game later that week, just as a recent reference.
I guess my definition of brutal and what's galvanizing for a team is just much higher.
To me Jones got panned, and 2 pre-season games later is well regarded and well covered in the press.
I didn’t know that about Mitch and Chicago. Interesting.
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picks the slaughtered both decisions and It looks like
he has proved them wrong on both ,
Jones has proven something by playing well in meaningless exhibitions? Hoooo-k.
Jones hasn’t proven a thing other than show he has legit NFL potential. That in itself shuts a lot of people up who insisted he was hot garbage on a good day.
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And I'd be happy to compare brainpans with you any time
Getts is a mixed bag for me
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In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)
Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete
and then there are the trades
I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.
I will add that the draft
ron mexico : 7/28/2019 5:26 pm : link
Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.
So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.
Any fan that rails against the GM because said GM “assessed that last year’s team could compete” is fucking weird. Sorry, it’s true. You’re not only blaming the GM for lip service but WTF do you expect any GM to say in that spot? “We’re gonna suck, everyone.”
You’re not alone, dozens of fans have bashed DG for this. And you’re all nuts for doing so.
Sigh
For the 10th time I'm talking about his actions not his words
His actions show a clear resetting of the roster. The guy nuked this shit from orbit.
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You don't get along with FMIC we all know. No reason to add more fuel to an already burning fire.
When crap like this stops...
Not an..
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:20 am : link : reply
unhinged hater.
Just a pretty dim bulb with a consistently contrarian take.
LOL. It is like you felt left out so you had to make an appearance.
Of course, not discussing the topic at hand as usual.
The long troll....
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And I'd be happy to compare brainpans with you any time
Getts is a mixed bag for me
ron mexico : 7/27/2019 8:47 pm : link
In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)
Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete
and then there are the trades
I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.
I will add that the draft
ron mexico : 7/28/2019 5:26 pm : link
Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.
So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.
Any fan that rails against the GM because said GM “assessed that last year’s team could compete” is fucking weird. Sorry, it’s true. You’re not only blaming the GM for lip service but WTF do you expect any GM to say in that spot? “We’re gonna suck, everyone.”
You’re not alone, dozens of fans have bashed DG for this. And you’re all nuts for doing so.
Sigh
For the 10th time I'm talking about his actions not his words
His actions show a clear resetting of the roster. The guy nuked this shit from orbit.
His actions from midseason on, yes
I'm talking about what he did in the beginning of the 2018 season
I think every team is a distant second to Dallas. And that's been the case - nationally - for decades.
Isn't it much more likely and honestly more credible, if Gettleman made some good, some average and some bad moves last year? And that a year and change into job no moves can really be declared extraordinary or tragedies?
I read a ton about the Giants and read way too much BBI, and I'd say more than the majority of content and opinions fit into the above perspective.
If Eric took a poll today, what do guys think the percentage would be of people who think Gettleman has done an awful, average, good, or great job so far?
It doesn't match with reality
It doesn't match with reality
I'd guess it'd be 60-40 positive to negative.
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You don't get along with FMIC we all know. No reason to add more fuel to an already burning fire.
When crap like this stops...
Not an..
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:20 am : link : reply
unhinged hater.
Just a pretty dim bulb with a consistently contrarian take.
LOL. It is like you felt left out so you had to make an appearance.
Of course, not discussing the topic at hand as usual.
The long troll....
All you did was take the topic and convert it into a list of posters that bother you.
short troll...
It doesn't match with reality
No it wouldn’t say that
Then next largest is undecided
Then smallest group would say bad
They've embraced the Browns this year. The Jags last year. The Raiders two years ago. They almost always latch onto a team based on potential and prop them up before they've ever done a damn thing.
Heck, the Jets are getting a lot of love this year too. For years, they kept saying the Cardinals were going to break through. There's consistently been a lot of preseason optimism for the Lions under Stafford.
It isn't like the Media never does this.
I know it is a little wordy for your tastes and it actually discusses the topic, but I know that's out of your wheelhouse.
You should stay in your lane as a guy proudly wearing a badge as a terrible poster and flashing it whenever possible. That's your wheelhouse, Ace
Even creating a named list for Christ sake. Like who the hell do you think you are creating some type of black-ball list?
And when one Ron Mexico jumps back at you for doing so with facts... then he is basically called an idiot by you.
Just stop...
Are you that inept at reading to not understand why I listed several posters?
And that's a rhetorical question.
Shouldn’t you be on the current OBJ thread that you joined with the sole purpose to describe how you hate a couple of other posters? I must have missed how you joined that one for some other football talking purpose.
naming a list of posters like that is classless, and even thinking you should be the one to determine it is egregious
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with your view that they also hate Gettleman.
You like to associate me with terms like hate, goosestepping and a lot of things that cross the line. At least know what the fuck you are talking about.
Greg thinks Gettleman is doing a terrible job. He'd own up to that. How does that equate to me hating him?
I think you will be at a loss to explain that - but you sure took a lot of care to make assumptions, Boss.
Sorry, if your softer side isn't coming thru...
Awesome work.
So I take it you have no explanation to describe my hatred of Greg.
I chuckled at this. Soon you'll laugh - if you haven't gotten brain damage from banging your head against a wall already!!
Is your list even finished as it was just off the top of your head...surely there are others that you have pondered that hate and criticize DG's every move at this point.
Sounds like Greg gets a get out of jail free pass and a christmas card from you this holiday season.
And still not discussing the topic.
Color me fucking shocked.
Everyone here can defend themselves. They don't need the white knight routine on a daily basis.
If the way FMiC handles himself here bugs you that much, maybe just ignore it and let those posters he's calling such mean and offensive names handle their own business. I'm sure they'll be okay. We've all been called much worse things than idiots, I'm sure.
And still not discussing the topic.
Color me fucking shocked.
Hey I’ve been ringing this tune for over a year about him. Get your own material!!!
(This is another argument you and I are having btw :)
Everyone here can defend themselves. They don't need the white knight routine on a daily basis.
If the way FMiC handles himself here bugs you that much, maybe just ignore it and let those posters he's calling such mean and offensive names handle their own business. I'm sure they'll be okay. We've all been called much worse things than idiots, I'm sure.
I think you know the end game is a better result. And it certainly shouldn't matter who steps up and says anything with regards to someone being offensive.
Where this thread went sideways is when the usual suspects had to come on here and convince all of us that the negative attention is figments of our imagination.
For what reason? I'm thinking to be contrarian, as Fatman says. Or trolling perhaps? Or maybe to prove they are the smartest in the room, so they think?
But when I re-read my op, I'm still trying to figure out why somebody would vehemently argue and disagree with it, but whatever.
So like many things, it goes both ways
The one thing we should all agree on is the ton of negative attention we have received over this offseason. It is blindingly obvious, although it seems to have dissipated a bit. I think the Cards are getting the bulk of the "national joke" attention thrusted onto them.
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I still don't really get the endgame here with all of these armchair diagnosis' and sarcastic remarks regarding other posters' behavior. Is it any more conducive to football discussion than the behavior that is continually brought up as "classless" or disagreeable?
Everyone here can defend themselves. They don't need the white knight routine on a daily basis.
If the way FMiC handles himself here bugs you that much, maybe just ignore it and let those posters he's calling such mean and offensive names handle their own business. I'm sure they'll be okay. We've all been called much worse things than idiots, I'm sure.
I think you know the end game is a better result. And it certainly shouldn't matter who steps up and says anything with regards to someone being offensive.
I know that you may want the endgame to be a better result, but I'm surprised you think that namecalling or arguments on a football board would just cease or lessen dramatically as a result of any of this.
BBI has been like this for as long as I've been here... which isn't necessarily as long as some of the old timers, but it's been over 13 years now of posting here and I don't think we're ever going to have a cushy little Xanadu here where no one ever argues or throws around insults, etc.
I think there are certain insults and things that can cross a line even here... but calling people fucksticks, dipshits or whatever... who cares. We've heard it all and have heard it all since we were kids.
I've been called those things here at times, too. I don't really take it personally or care much - I can handle fighting my battles on my own without help. I think most of the guys here would probably say they're more than capable of doing the same.
None of us post about football 100% of the time; but obviously that should always be our goal when the topics are, indeed, football-related. Arguments are going to happen. Name calling is going to happen. Most of it is harmless - I've never really thought of FMIC's insults towards others as line crossing or truly classless. Sometimes people here really do cross lines by making things super personal - but for the most part, I really don't think it's a big deal, and I don't think anything on this particular thread was bad.
Certainly not to the point where we need to rehash it all each day on a new thread.
Just my .02, though.
I'm not here to tell other people how to be a fan. But some posters have very clear agendas and will only show up when they can complain about the Giants or berate Gettleman.
We've sucked for a long time now, and criticism is warranted. I don't think any of us would disagree on that. But, it's like some people just won't accept a single shred of optimism and absolutely refuse to see things any other way than their own. Everything sucks, everything is the worst, the Giants will never be good again, Gettleman is clueless.... on and on.
Where this thread went sideways is when the usual suspects had to come on here and convince all of us that the negative attention is figments of our imagination.
For what reason? I'm thinking to be contrarian, as Fatman says. Or trolling perhaps? Or maybe to prove they are the smartest in the room, so they think?
But when I re-read my op, I'm still trying to figure out why somebody would vehemently argue and disagree with it, but whatever.
Where this thread went sideways is when the usual suspects had to come on here and convince all of us that the negative attention is figments of our imagination.
For what reason? I'm thinking to be contrarian, as Fatman says. Or trolling perhaps? Or maybe to prove they are the smartest in the room, so they think?
But when I re-read my op, I'm still trying to figure out why somebody would vehemently argue and disagree with it, but whatever.
I'm not here to tell other people how to be a fan. But some posters have very clear agendas and will only show up when they can complain about the Giants or berate Gettleman.
But if they indeed have an agenda and that is how they want to be a fan then so what? Maybe take your own advice from the post above that you wrote and treat these folks as harmless as well...
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Hey, it's us against the world, maybe we can use the negativity as motivation, sort of thread.... Pretty tame stuff.
Where this thread went sideways is when the usual suspects had to come on here and convince all of us that the negative attention is figments of our imagination.
For what reason? I'm thinking to be contrarian, as Fatman says. Or trolling perhaps? Or maybe to prove they are the smartest in the room, so they think?
But when I re-read my op, I'm still trying to figure out why somebody would vehemently argue and disagree with it, but whatever.
did you want debate or discussion or did you just want everybody to say “you’re right” and amen? Your thread is premised on the notion that everyone has been highly critical of the Giants moves, which is debatable.
It's not, really - the Giants got crushed by a lot of people for picking Jones where they did.
Not everyone, but that's never going to be entirely true on really any topic.
It's not wrong to say that there's been a lot of negative press regarding this team recently.
Yes, there are some people who did like the Jones pick. Not everyone universally killed it. But there's been enough of it that the premise of the thread is most certainly fair.
I think the majority perception of the Giants' offseason through various media outlets, etc. has been negative.
It seems like maybe it's lightened a tad after people got a look at Jones and realized that maybe he's not this useless pile of garbage that they thought he'd be and that maybe there's something there... but I do think the general tune towards NYG has been more of the negative variety.. and some of the hot takes on Jones from draft night were excessive.
You'd think we'd all want to rally behind this team; but I get the impression that some people are rooting for their opinions to be validated more than they're rooting for NYG to get out of this dark, shitty hole they've been stuck in for the majority of the last 6-7 years.
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I'm not here to tell other people how to be a fan. But some posters have very clear agendas and will only show up when they can complain about the Giants or berate Gettleman.
But if they indeed have an agenda and that is how they want to be a fan then so what? Maybe take your own advice from the post above that you wrote and treat these folks as harmless as well...
How many people did I call out and argue with on this thread?
I mostly do take my own advice.
Perfect, I am not... sometimes I take the bait and argue points that I think are poor or don't make sense. But look at my first post on this thread... it's just my opinion on the Giants. It has nothing to do with any other poster. I didn't criticize anyone. The 2nd post was about Francesa.
And then my third was part of this current discussion.
You'd think we'd all want to rally behind this team; but I get the impression that some people are rooting for their opinions to be validated more than they're rooting for NYG to get out of this dark, shitty hole they've been stuck in for the majority of the last 6-7 years.
Probably some are rooting for their opinions to be validated but again...so what?
Sure as hell there are exponentially more rooting for the team.
Not everyone is going to agree with your opinion, and not everyone thinks the Giants are victims of the mean press and the mean fans.
The "contrarians" thing is a little dopey. It might seem contrarian -- but some reasonably minded posters would actually like to participate in fact-based discussions, not hyperbolic generalizations.
When you post on this site, aren't you looking for conversation, debate, new information, and dialogue?
I don't think Jones was any more targeted in the media than Mitch Trubisky or Donovan McNabb, or really any other QB who was drafted before what was predicted.
Now two weeks into the pre-season, the New York and football press is pretty impressed by the kid. That's fantastic.
But man, sometimes I feel like a couple of you feel defending Gettleman or the Giants at large on BBI is actually going to have real world consequences.
It's just a place to swap opinions and hopefully some fact based knowledge about football, it's not actually real.
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I'm not here to tell other people how to be a fan. But some posters have very clear agendas and will only show up when they can complain about the Giants or berate Gettleman.
But if they indeed have an agenda and that is how they want to be a fan then so what? Maybe take your own advice from the post above that you wrote and treat these folks as harmless as well...
How many people did I call out and argue with on this thread?
I mostly do take my own advice.
Perfect, I am not... sometimes I take the bait and argue points that I think are poor or don't make sense. But look at my first post on this thread... it's just my opinion on the Giants. It has nothing to do with any other poster. I didn't criticize anyone. The 2nd post was about Francesa.
And then my third was part of this current discussion.
sorry didn't mean to imply that specifically to you. It was moreso that you stated it as a general rule earlier and I was repeating it in that context.