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I like all of this negativity towards the Giants.....

Britt in VA : 8/20/2019 1:11 pm
Been a while since they've gotten dragged through the mud and piled on like this.

Not that they haven't deserved it in the past couple of years, but we've been so bad it just felt like people didn't care.... But something has awoken in the national spotlight aspect, just the sheer animosity from the media, talking heads, fans, etc.... The vitriol towards the franchise, ownership, management, and now the players.... It's excessive, I think. And I like it.

Good team building exercise. Us against the world. I like it when the Giants play like that. Coughlin used to be a master of motivation with that stuff. Parcells too. Hopefully Shurmur can use some of this stuff to light a fire.

And yeah, I know the usual suspects will jump on this thread and say "you think these guys care about that stuff? Culture and lockerroom is bullshit, etc...."

Yeah, I do believe it matters, and I do believe they are taking note.
Would be awfully fun to shove a big shit-sandwich in  
j_rud : 8/20/2019 1:12 pm : link
a lot of peoples faces...
RE: Would be awfully fun to shove a big shit-sandwich in  
Britt in VA : 8/20/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14536911 j_rud said:
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a lot of peoples faces...


I think it's coming.

What's funny is, people have gone so over the top there's no backtracking. There have been so many over the top definitive statements on what the Giants (general) are or aren't, that there's going to be no explaining it away. The line in the sand has been drawn. The expectation is that we're awful and going to continue to be awful.

We'll see.
Agree  
Thegratefulhead : 8/20/2019 1:17 pm : link
Rally round the family...pocket fulla shells.
Yeah, that's not what Parcells would actually do  
Greg from LI : 8/20/2019 1:18 pm : link
Parcells didn't use the media - he did it himself. He was the one who insulted the players, challenged them, told them they weren't good enough.
Good post.  
TMS : 8/20/2019 1:21 pm : link
There is a positive vibe about this team we have not seen for 5/6 years. Great job by the new management staff so far. Enthusiasim in the locker room, good stuff.
RE: Yeah, that's not what Parcells would actually do  
micky : 8/20/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14536926 Greg from LI said:
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Parcells didn't use the media - he did it himself. He was the one who insulted the players, challenged them, told them they weren't good enough.


+1000000000
I think it's funny  
USAF NYG Fan : 8/20/2019 1:23 pm : link
especially coming from certain Browns' players. It gives me joy to know there is a Giants' flag firmly planted in OBJ's and Mayfield's brain. They are not even a conference rival much less a division rival. How distracting it must be.
RE: Yeah, that's not what Parcells would actually do  
Britt in VA : 8/20/2019 1:25 pm : link
In comment 14536926 Greg from LI said:
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Parcells didn't use the media - he did it himself. He was the one who insulted the players, challenged them, told them they weren't good enough.


Okay that's fair. My point is just there is something here to work with and I'd like to see it used to motivate the players to play with a little fire and sense of purpose.
Yeah, the last time the Giants got dragged through the mud was . . . .  
TC : 8/20/2019 1:27 pm : link
last season! ;-)

But seriously, I like it too! The Giants have always been lousy front runners.

If I had to guess, this club is somewhere between a 7 & 9, and a 9 & 7 team. But anything could happen. They have some talent, some depth and fewer hot dogs. All good things.

For one thing, I think in general there's an anti NY sentiment  
Poktown Pete : 8/20/2019 1:27 pm : link
around the country. I grew up in NY (have lived both in the city and the state) and I learned a long time ago when traveling, try not to advertise you're from NY. There's an anti NY bias out there. Is it deserved?

As far as our beloved Giants go, well, they have smelled pretty badly these past several years. Thinking back to when they won their last 2 SB's however, public opinion was generally negative even then.

Low expectations are good for the team. I kind of feel this team is similar to the 1984 Giants, a team that was turning the corner and getting stronger. The Giants may have more losses than we'd like this year, but I expect them to be very competitive and that they will finish the year as a team no one with playoff hopes wants to face. Shit sandwiches all around!
RE: RE: Would be awfully fun to shove a big shit-sandwich in  
j_rud : 8/20/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14536920 Britt in VA said:
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a lot of peoples faces...



I think it's coming.

What's funny is, people have gone so over the top there's no backtracking. There have been so many over the top definitive statements on what the Giants (general) are or aren't, that there's going to be no explaining it away. The line in the sand has been drawn. The expectation is that we're awful and going to continue to be awful.

We'll see.


I do to. Not that theyre going to be dominant or anything like that. I think they're going to be a middle of the road team that can lay one on you if you look past them.
Media  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/20/2019 1:38 pm : link
overkill.
There IS an anti-Giant bias!  
TC : 8/20/2019 1:38 pm : link
The two best known NFL clubs are Dallas and the Giants. And everybody gets to hate NYC. They're like the bad guys in the WWE. Except it's better, as they're often not very good.

Why should sports writers make their job harder by not just regurgitating anti-Giant screed and actually having to do sports journalism?

And why do we keep paying attention to it!? ;-)
I don't know  
ron mexico : 8/20/2019 1:41 pm : link
I think we have been getting shat on for a while now. It feels like a long time to me
Its Not As If  
lax counsel : 8/20/2019 1:52 pm : link
It isn't well deserved. There isn't a media conspiracy against the Giants or extraordinary scrutiny. Fact is, they have been one of the worst teams and organizations in football since the second half of 2012. Worse than that, they have produced some very unlikeable teams and players.

I hope more than anyone the Giants turn it around and DJ is a top 5-10 NFL qb for the next decade plus. The arrow seems pointed up. But until the Giants start producing consistent, tangible results on the field and their organizational decisions mirror those results, the media narrative won't change.
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christian : 8/20/2019 1:56 pm : link
Lol are you kidding? It's been a while since there has been negativity in the coverage and expectations for this team?
You didn't read my post.  
Britt in VA : 8/20/2019 2:00 pm : link
Now you'll go back and read it, see that I addressed that, and make another statement qualifying your earlier one that my post must be joking. And that's okay.
The funny  
Les in TO : 8/20/2019 2:14 pm : link
Thing is if you read the GQ article, the underdog/prove the haters wrong mentality is exactly what fuels BBI whipping boy Baker Mayfield.
RE: The funny  
Britt in VA : 8/20/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14537018 Les in TO said:
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Thing is if you read the GQ article, the underdog/prove the haters wrong mentality is exactly what fuels BBI whipping boy Baker Mayfield.


If our guys were attacking other players/management in the league, then it might be similar. Baker Mayfield isn't proving the haters wrong, he's providing the hating.
If I was in Cleveland  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/20/2019 2:24 pm : link
I would feel inferior and be mad at everybody who made me feel that way too
Me too Britt.  
mittenedman : 8/20/2019 2:26 pm : link
It's time to whoop some ass.
RE: If I was in Cleveland  
ron mexico : 8/20/2019 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14537045 gidiefor said:
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I would feel inferior and be mad at everybody who made me feel that way too


I think they actually like it. They lean into the factory of sadness and QB turnstile stuff.

And of course, the famous hastily made Cleveland tourism video
hastily made Cleveland tourism video - ( New Window )
Let's call it....  
Tesla : 8/20/2019 2:29 pm : link
The Eli Manning Revenge Tour (2019 version).
Call it whatever you want.  
Britt in VA : 8/20/2019 2:31 pm : link
And yeah, Manning is still the QB. He wasn't traded or cut. Still here.
I agree the negativity by all media is excessive..  
prdave73 : 8/20/2019 2:41 pm : link
It has been for awhile now. There seems to be this hatred towards the Giants I can’t fully understand? Nevertheless I’m good with it as well, the only bad thing is I don’t see Shurmur using this like Coughlin did in the past. A good coach can turn this into a positive thing, and use this to fuel the fire in this team. We shall see..
Can all this negativity rush the other teams QB?  
arniefez : 8/20/2019 3:30 pm : link
But if it can't the Giants are going to be terrible again.
RE: Yeah, that's not what Parcells would actually do  
djstat : 8/20/2019 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14536926 Greg from LI said:
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Parcells didn't use the media - he did it himself. He was the one who insulted the players, challenged them, told them they weren't good enough.
Great. We are stuck on a method that left on May 15, 1991. It has been 28 years. Time to move on
Why would you expect the media to embrace a team  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/20/2019 3:40 pm : link
That's been terrible for 5 of 6 years?

Why even care what the media thinks? As much as people here whine about the media as BBI Enemy #1, there sure is a ton of emphasis on listening to what they have to say and talking about it every single day.
Britt in VA...  
M.S. : 8/20/2019 3:48 pm : link

...your words:

"but we've been so bad it just felt like people didn't care.... But something has awoken in the national spotlight aspect, just the sheer animosity from the media, talking heads, fans, etc."

I'm pretty sure the turning point was when we traded OBJ and then solidified when we drafted Daniel Jones.
RE: I agree the negativity by all media is excessive..  
bw in dc : 8/20/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14537089 prdave73 said:
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It has been for awhile now. There seems to be this hatred towards the Giants I can’t fully understand? Nevertheless I’m good with it as well, the only bad thing is I don’t see Shurmur using this like Coughlin did in the past. A good coach can turn this into a positive thing, and use this to fuel the fire in this team. We shall see..


Excessive? No. It's been richly deserved.

From the OBJ non-stop jerk-off show, the Mara-Manning-McAdoo saga, the Coughlin drama, the 4th quarter meltdowns, the phony GM search, the poor drafts...and on and on and on.

Sorry, but the Giants have been sitting ducks for the negative coverage because they have been a disaster.
RE: You didn't read my post.  
christian : 8/20/2019 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14536992 Britt in VA said:
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Now you'll go back and read it, see that I addressed that, and make another statement qualifying your earlier one that my post must be joking. And that's okay.


I read your post quite well the first time -- and I think it's funny you think the media's reaction is any more severe this offseason than it was when Coughlin was fired, when Manning was benched, or when McAdoo and Reese were fired.

The media and the perception of this team has been pointed and severe for most of at least the last 4 seasons.

The Giants were briefly out of the cross hairs when they went on that nice run in the Fall of 2016, and then right back in it when they fell ass flat in the playoffs and all anyone cared about was a topless shot of the receivers.

If anything the Giants have some bright spots in coverage -- Barkley is near universally praised in the media, Jones has garnered good headlines in the pre season.
RE: RE: I agree the negativity by all media is excessive..  
Rong5611 : 8/20/2019 4:11 pm : link
Nicely said. You are right.

The team hasn't really done anything yet, they have deserved what they are getting right now. The last few years have sucked, except when we made the run in 2016.

A couple of pre-season wins doesn't make this team a contender for a playoff berth.

They do appear to be moving in the right direction. It appears the last 2 draft classes have been good. They turned over the roster, which was needed.

They need to PROVE IT with an improved regular season performance. Not expecting to make the playoffs, but would love to watch one more run with #10. You never know.

Just improve, be competitive and get the young QB some games if they fall out of contention (I think this could happen quicker than we think if they start slow).

Set up the duck for '20. Next year could be huge, we will have $55 million of cap space...



In comment 14537204 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14537089 prdave73 said:


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It has been for awhile now. There seems to be this hatred towards the Giants I can’t fully understand? Nevertheless I’m good with it as well, the only bad thing is I don’t see Shurmur using this like Coughlin did in the past. A good coach can turn this into a positive thing, and use this to fuel the fire in this team. We shall see..



Excessive? No. It's been richly deserved.

From the OBJ non-stop jerk-off show, the Mara-Manning-McAdoo saga, the Coughlin drama, the 4th quarter meltdowns, the phony GM search, the poor drafts...and on and on and on.

Sorry, but the Giants have been sitting ducks for the negative coverage because they have been a disaster.
The negativity seemed to start  
BSIMatt : 8/20/2019 9:48 pm : link
With Giants putting their faith in Eli, passing on a QB and taking Barkley. Everyone second guessed the Giants. Then they trade Beckham, and gasp draft Daniel Jones and they’ve been going against the grain..and repeatedly taking heat every step of the way. The thing is, they’ve gotten rid of a lot of older, overpaid vets and gone with a full blown youth movement and Barkley somehow was even better than could be expected...truly looking like a hall of fame caliber talent his first year. Now you have this second draft class coming in and looking special from top to bottom...they are going to be relying on a lot of young players but the early returns on those players is nothing but promising..it’s hard not to be optimistic about the young players but it’s also hard to know how much 1st and 2nd year growing pains will cost the Giants as these players acclimate. I think how competitive they are comes down to the strides the defense can make in year 2 of Bettchers system. I’m hopeful.
RE: Agree  
djm : 8/20/2019 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14536922 Thegratefulhead said:
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Rally round the family...pocket fulla shells.


Ftw
RE: RE: I agree the negativity by all media is excessive..  
djm : 8/20/2019 9:57 pm : link
In comment 14537204 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14537089 prdave73 said:


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It has been for awhile now. There seems to be this hatred towards the Giants I can’t fully understand? Nevertheless I’m good with it as well, the only bad thing is I don’t see Shurmur using this like Coughlin did in the past. A good coach can turn this into a positive thing, and use this to fuel the fire in this team. We shall see..



Excessive? No. It's been richly deserved.

From the OBJ non-stop jerk-off show, the Mara-Manning-McAdoo saga, the Coughlin drama, the 4th quarter meltdowns, the phony GM search, the poor drafts...and on and on and on.

Sorry, but the Giants have been sitting ducks for the negative coverage because they have been a disaster.


You missed the point.
Considering..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/20/2019 10:01 pm : link
this happens every year - it isn't out oft he realm:

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Why would you expect the media to embrace a team
Ten Ton Hammer : 3:40 pm : link : reply
That's been terrible for 5 of 6 years?


The Media often embraces teams that have been bad thinking they'd finally be consistently good.

They've embraced the Browns this year. The Jags last year. The Raiders two years ago. They almost always latch onto a team based on potential and prop them up before they've ever done a damn thing.

Heck, the Jets are getting a lot of love this year too. For years, they kept saying the Cardinals were going to break through. There's consistently been a lot of preseason optimism for the Lions under Stafford.

It isn't like the Media never does this.
Some of you need to remember how other teams are covered  
djm : 8/20/2019 10:04 pm : link
Or portrayed overall.

Are you guys really going to dispute the claim that if a team like the BRONCOS traded up for jones or took jones top 10 that it gets this same heat? Cmon now. Don’t play dumb.

Did the Niners get this same heat when they let Terrell Owens walk for nothing??? What about Philly? Shit, what about the Steelers RIGHT NOW??? Are they getting crushed for letting brown go for pennies on the dollar? But the giants.... oh no.... release the hounds! Meanwhile, those same giants got four times the capital in return that Pitt got, but the giants are dysfunctional. And don’t even get me going on the jones pick and subsequent scrutiny, which has been downright historical in its hilarity.
The media seems to forget the Giants  
mfsd : 8/20/2019 10:06 pm : link
went for total regime change a year and a half ago. The Giants have sucked for 6 years bc the Reese/Ross/McAdoo "brain trust" failed, and they got canned.

The negativity from media and a lot of fans isn't just because the Giants have sucked. It's because Gettleman doesn't bother sucking up to them, so they don't like them.
RE: The media seems to forget the Giants  
Britt in VA : 8/20/2019 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14537610 mfsd said:
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went for total regime change a year and a half ago. The Giants have sucked for 6 years bc the Reese/Ross/McAdoo "brain trust" failed, and they got canned.

The negativity from media and a lot of fans isn't just because the Giants have sucked. It's because Gettleman doesn't bother sucking up to them, so they don't like them.


Fans too. We had a poster here the other day openly admit that he “hates” Gettleman. Why?
Hell..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/20/2019 10:09 pm : link
the Niners paid a King's rensom for Jimmy Garoppolo and you'd have thought they bought themselves a SB ring.

Come to think of it, the Media had some pretty stout predictions for SF going into last season.
I mean cmon  
djm : 8/20/2019 10:10 pm : link
The Daniel jones backlash early on was so insanely over the top, you would have thought the giants drafted a janitor that night. Mere fact that jones has already made real life sports writers look so dumb so soon simply by displaying legit NFL talents in summer practices speaks volumes. It was a perfect storm of events that led to the Daniel jones pick 6 hysterics but it was most definitely out of line and flat out wrong. No matter how good or bad jones ends up being.

Just remember guys, the giants are dysfunctional because they drafted Daniel jones.
RE: I mean cmon  
Britt in VA : 8/20/2019 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14537613 djm said:
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The Daniel jones backlash early on was so insanely over the top, you would have thought the giants drafted a janitor that night. Mere fact that jones has already made real life sports writers look so dumb so soon simply by displaying legit NFL talents in summer practices speaks volumes. It was a perfect storm of events that led to the Daniel jones pick 6 hysterics but it was most definitely out of line and flat out wrong. No matter how good or bad jones ends up being.

Just remember guys, the giants are dysfunctional because they drafted Daniel jones.


And racist, according to Cris Carter. That one sums up how ridiculous it has gotten.
RE: Hell..  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/20/2019 10:12 pm : link
In comment 14537612 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the Niners paid a King's rensom for Jimmy Garoppolo and you'd have thought they bought themselves a SB ring.

Come to think of it, the Media had some pretty stout predictions for SF going into last season.


Its such an interesting one. All over Jimmy G last year, plays all of 2.5 games now the narrative seems to be he sucks and is massively overpaid.
Big Bill is the one  
Mendenhall64 : 8/20/2019 10:13 pm : link
who scared the hell out of Jim Burt. The media had nothing to do with it.
Gettleman..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/20/2019 10:14 pm : link
brings out some really interesting trolls as well as the pack of contrarians.

It is one thing to disagree with some of his moves, especially some FA signings, but there have been posters who have literally said he gets no credit whatsoever. His really solid career gets very little respect. His time in Carolina gets shit on.

And he provokes some bizarre and terrible takes. One guy has been calling him DSG, for Dave Shithead Gettleman, since the day he was hired. Multiple posters say the hate the man. Not dislike him - but HATE him.

You'd swear that Gettleman is multitudes worse than Reese the way he's dragged around here.
Hot takes + lemmings = cash  
Britt in VA : 8/20/2019 10:14 pm : link
Sports journalism 2019
RE: Hell..  
Jay on the Island : 8/20/2019 10:14 pm : link
In comment 14537612 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the Niners paid a King's rensom for Jimmy Garoppolo and you'd have thought they bought themselves a SB ring.

Come to think of it, the Media had some pretty stout predictions for SF going into last season.

I was just going to bring up SF and Garoppolo. The media was busy crowning SF for making Garoppolo one of the highest paid QB’s in NFL history despite starting only 7 games in his career.
The jets bought themselves SO much street cred  
djm : 8/20/2019 10:18 pm : link
Just because they drafted Sam darnold. Think about that for a second then think back to the giants with Eli in 2004-2005. The giants gave up too much and Eli wasn’t Peyton then he wasn’t any good then he couldn’t win on the road then he was garbage again. Only when Eli won a ring did he get respect.

Sam. Darnold. The jets are finally back. Finally got their FRANCHISE QB!! No talk of what the jets traded up for darnold, and make mistake darnold did indeed have flaws coming out of USC. But the jets are functional. Giants are a joke. Or are they? Haven’t we been here before? Remember when the giants made the list for worst trades (Eli for the picks) all time on nfl network? Good times.
RE: Gettleman..  
ron mexico : 8/20/2019 10:20 pm : link
In comment 14537617 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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brings out some really interesting trolls as well as the pack of contrarians.

It is one thing to disagree with some of his moves, especially some FA signings, but there have been posters who have literally said he gets no credit whatsoever. His really solid career gets very little respect. His time in Carolina gets shit on.

And he provokes some bizarre and terrible takes. One guy has been calling him DSG, for Dave Shithead Gettleman, since the day he was hired. Multiple posters say the hate the man. Not dislike him - but HATE him.

You'd swear that Gettleman is multitudes worse than Reese the way he's dragged around here.


At this point he certainly is not better than Reese
the Giants  
MookGiants : 8/20/2019 10:21 pm : link
have done plenty to give the media/other teams ammo to make fun of them, the team has sucked for a while now.

That will change quickly though if Jones is a stud. Giants will have the last laugh if thats the case
RE: the Giants  
Sean : 8/20/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14537629 MookGiants said:
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have done plenty to give the media/other teams ammo to make fun of them, the team has sucked for a while now.

That will change quickly though if Jones is a stud. Giants will have the last laugh if thats the case


True, but it really hasn’t become an issue until the Beckham trade + the Jones pick at 6. The national media became unhinged with those 2 moves.
RE: RE: Gettleman..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/20/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14537628 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14537617 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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brings out some really interesting trolls as well as the pack of contrarians.

It is one thing to disagree with some of his moves, especially some FA signings, but there have been posters who have literally said he gets no credit whatsoever. His really solid career gets very little respect. His time in Carolina gets shit on.

And he provokes some bizarre and terrible takes. One guy has been calling him DSG, for Dave Shithead Gettleman, since the day he was hired. Multiple posters say the hate the man. Not dislike him - but HATE him.

You'd swear that Gettleman is multitudes worse than Reese the way he's dragged around here.



At this point he certainly is not better than Reese


You consistently act like Gettleman has been GM for 1.5 years. And that he had no prior success in the league.

You do realize that you can trace the Giants plunge to mediocrity directly to Gettleman leaving and Ross getting promoted, right?
Fatman....someone on ESPN made thta same exact point about DG  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/20/2019 10:32 pm : link
being a constant in the Giants success, but some of our supposed fans can't even grasp that point. Shit I think it was Greeny who hates the Giants.
Daniel Jones and his performance this pre-season  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/20/2019 10:40 pm : link
has brought the team and the fans together.

Remember, in the time between Jones was picked by the Giants and before his performance in the first pre-season game agaisnt the Jets, quite a few Giants fans were still shitting on him and DG for picking him.

The first pre-season game turned quite a bit of that around. And then his performance in the second pre-season game (yes, despite the two fumbles, 11/14, 161 yards, 1 TD, coming back strong after the TOs), is what really started to turn a good amount of the fans who were against the pick, into suddenly starting to like the pick and Jones himself.

Fast forward to today, and Jones' reaction to the comments in front of the media really solidified him even more as a fan favorite. Seems like most Giants fans, if not all who were originally against him, are all 100% behind him now. In a way, these comments from Baker today and Jones' reaction, did him a solid where we really got to see how Jones' will handle stuff like this in the future. It was a great sign of things to come.

Daniel Jones is the future of this franchise. If he is legit (and thus far, it seems like he very well will be), DG will most likely be celebrated amongst Giants fans no matter what else he does (for the most part).

Only slightly bad part could be, is fans now might start to call for Jones to play this season. But even that doesn't matter much. 2020 is the next chapter in Giants football, and it's right around the corner.
RE: RE: the Giants  
christian : 8/20/2019 10:40 pm : link
In comment 14537633 Sean said:
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In comment 14537629 MookGiants said:


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have done plenty to give the media/other teams ammo to make fun of them, the team has sucked for a while now.

That will change quickly though if Jones is a stud. Giants will have the last laugh if thats the case



True, but it really hasn’t become an issue until the Beckham trade + the Jones pick at 6. The national media became unhinged with those 2 moves.


Have you guys not been consuming media the last several years re: the Giants? The Giants have rightfully been crushed in the media from about 2013 onward.

Last offseason and going into the season -- do you really believe the general sentiment was more positive in the media for the Giants?
Zeke..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/20/2019 10:43 pm : link
I know Gettleman has flaws. But he's been consistently part of winning teams in the NFL. He was here for our two SB's. Then he left, got Carolina out of a league worst cap situation and helped get them to a SB. That doesn't even include the teams he was with as a scout/personnel guy who went to SB's.

Like I said - you can argue he's been below average in signing FA's, but to look at his body of work and say you hate the guy takes a special type of stupid, but unfortunately a stupid that exists frequently on BBI.

I really get the impression sometimes that he's a 68 year old guy coming off a rookie season as a GM. That's the extent of how people talk about his past.
RE: RE: RE: Gettleman..  
ron mexico : 8/20/2019 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14537634 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14537617 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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brings out some really interesting trolls as well as the pack of contrarians.

It is one thing to disagree with some of his moves, especially some FA signings, but there have been posters who have literally said he gets no credit whatsoever. His really solid career gets very little respect. His time in Carolina gets shit on.

And he provokes some bizarre and terrible takes. One guy has been calling him DSG, for Dave Shithead Gettleman, since the day he was hired. Multiple posters say the hate the man. Not dislike him - but HATE him.

You'd swear that Gettleman is multitudes worse than Reese the way he's dragged around here.



At this point he certainly is not better than Reese



You consistently act like Gettleman has been GM for 1.5 years. And that he had no prior success in the league.

You do realize that you can trace the Giants plunge to mediocrity directly to Gettleman leaving and Ross getting promoted, right?


Gettleman and Ross a different roles in the organization. It's not like Ross took gettlemans job.

And I have acknowledge the good job he did in his first stent with the Giants, still he can't claim to superbowls as a GM to his resume
Remember when the Giants signed free agents like  
mfsd : 8/20/2019 10:56 pm : link
Plaxico Burress, Antonio Pierce, Kareem McKenzie, Shaun O’Hara, Antrell Rolle, Michael Boley, Kavika Mitchell, and a bunch of solid role player guys and beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl twice, despite Reese and Ross wasting draft picks on guys like Clint Sintim, Ramses Barden, Sinorice Moss, Marvin Austin, etc etc?

Do people forget who was the Giants head of pro personnel during those years? A guy named Dave Gettleman.
...  
christian : 8/20/2019 11:01 pm : link
Gettleman doesn't deserve special fan protection because he was pretty good in his former roles.

When/if he delivers a consistent winner, fans will think and speak of him more highly on BBI.

And he'll also be rewarded financially and reputationally in the real world too.

I hope he earns that, that will be good for the fans.
C'mon..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/20/2019 11:06 pm : link
there's a difference between "special fan protection" and outright disdain.

He also deserves a chance. One that 1.5 years doesn't really provide. But let's not sugar coat it - there were a lot of posters here bad mouthing him from Day 1, many simply because they didn't like the way he was hired, and nearly every move since then has been called poor by some.

And I would even argue that his resume would've bought him more credit if it were with another team. If he was with the Patriots, he'd be given a lot of rope. If he was Ozzie Newsome, he would too.
Are you..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/20/2019 11:08 pm : link
really insinuating that a GM needs two Super Bowls (or "to") to be looked at favorably??

Quote:
still he can't claim to superbowls as a GM to his resume


What's Dorsey's excuse then?
...  
christian : 8/20/2019 11:13 pm : link
If he was the GM of the Pats or Ozzie, he'd have a multiple rings as a GM.

I spend too much time on here, and I can think of maybe 2 or 3 posters who go in circles to criticize Gettleman. Are there really a bunch of posters who hate him?
Well..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/20/2019 11:19 pm : link
off the top of my head, you have the following posters who have criticized the majority of his moves:

HomerJones
giantstock
Giants38
Greg in LI
bw in dc
arniefez
prdave
ron in mexico
NoGainDayne
Jerry in DC

Let's not make it seem like it is a rare occurrence that he's getting criticized. Or that it is just a couple of posters.
RE: C'mon..  
mfsd : 8/20/2019 11:30 pm : link
In comment 14537654 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
there's a difference between "special fan protection" and outright disdain.



Exactly. Nobody's declaring his job as Giants GM a success yet...this thread is about all the external negativity focused on the Giants, and how much of it stems from a strange, irrational level of hate for him by a lot of fans and media people
RE: Well..  
christian : 8/20/2019 11:40 pm : link
In comment 14537664 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:
off the top of my head, you have the following posters who have criticized the majority of his moves:

HomerJones
giantstock
Giants38
Greg in LI
bw in dc
arniefez
prdave
ron in mexico
NoGainDayne
Jerry in DC

Let's not make it seem like it is a rare occurrence that he's getting criticized. Or that it is just a couple of posters.


I think the vast majority of that list are fair but critical, and maybe 1 or 2 are here to clearly stir up crap.

Again, Gettleman will get judged critically until he delivers a winner.

The previous GM chose the roster for a team with an 8 season stretch with no losing seasons, 5 playoff appearances, and 2 rings, and he's pretty regularly shit on -- it's a what have you done lately gig.
RE: Some of you need to remember how other teams are covered  
bw in dc : 8/20/2019 11:42 pm : link
In comment 14537608 djm said:
Quote:
Or portrayed overall.

Are you guys really going to dispute the claim that if a team like the BRONCOS traded up for jones or took jones top 10 that it gets this same heat? Cmon now. Don’t play dumb.


Absofuckinlutely. Elway has been pilloried by the media for his QB evaluations at the college level. Seriously, are you feeling alright with this claim?

Whether it was Jints Central, or any other team, I would have said taking Jones anywhere in the first round was a reach. Hell, I was hoping another team would draft both him and Haskins so we wouldn't have to use one of our firsts on either...
RE: C'mon..  
bw in dc : 8/20/2019 11:53 pm : link
In comment 14537654 FatMan in Charlotte said:
Quote:

He also deserves a chance. One that 1.5 years doesn't really provide. But let's not sugar coat it - there were a lot of posters here bad mouthing him from Day 1, many simply because they didn't like the way he was hired, and nearly every move since then has been called poor by some.



I've certainly criticized the hiring process because it was a complete sham. Once Accorsi was roped in it was the most fait accompli maybe ever at Jints Central.

The Reese departure was the perfect time to shake the foundation and get outside blood with a different perspective and approach. Instead, back into the box we went...
Would be better to just win  
giantstock : 8/21/2019 12:27 am : link
Just win.
RE: Remember when the Giants signed free agents like  
ron mexico : 8/21/2019 8:04 am : link
In comment 14537650 mfsd said:
Quote:
Plaxico Burress, Antonio Pierce, Kareem McKenzie, Shaun O’Hara, Antrell Rolle, Michael Boley, Kavika Mitchell, and a bunch of solid role player guys and beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl twice, despite Reese and Ross wasting draft picks on guys like Clint Sintim, Ramses Barden, Sinorice Moss, Marvin Austin, etc etc?

Do people forget who was the Giants head of pro personnel during those years? A guy named Dave Gettleman.


You were probably reminded of this by my post from a few weeks ago giving getts credit for those moves.

But I'm just some unhinged hater who will stop at nothing till I see gettleman fired.
Not an..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2019 8:20 am : link
unhinged hater.

Just a pretty dim bulb with a consistently contrarian take.
Here is my actual take`  
ron mexico : 8/21/2019 8:30 am : link
And I'd be happy to compare brainpans with you any time


Getts is a mixed bag for me
ron mexico : 7/27/2019 8:47 pm : link
In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)

Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete

and then there are the trades

I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.


I will add that the draft
ron mexico : 7/28/2019 5:26 pm : link
Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.

So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.
RE: RE: the Giants  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2019 8:52 am : link
In comment 14537633 Sean said:
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In comment 14537629 MookGiants said:


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have done plenty to give the media/other teams ammo to make fun of them, the team has sucked for a while now.

That will change quickly though if Jones is a stud. Giants will have the last laugh if thats the case



True, but it really hasn’t become an issue until the Beckham trade + the Jones pick at 6. The national media became unhinged with those 2 moves.


This is exactly right. They took it to another level with those two moves. Unhinged is the right word to describe it.
Gettleman is an "old" guy  
Chris684 : 8/21/2019 9:03 am : link
who poked a little fun at analytics and made a couple of passing references to God/religion.

Big no no's in today's pop/sports culture.

He did this while at the same time shipping out millenial superstar Prince Odell and drafted the boring, no personality kid from Duke.

All you need to know.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2019 9:09 am : link
I don't know how many wins this team will yield - but I do know that I'll enjoy watching them more than any of the other teams I've seen recently here. I expect them to play hard, play for each other, and continue to improve - they'll be a likable bunch now that Saquon is the face of the franchise as he should be.

I think Eli is going to make it way harder than a lot of people think it will be to put Jones out there. I really do. I think he's going to play quite well. I don't know if the defense will hold enough for us to win consistently; and that might unfortunately cause Eli to ultimately lose his job... but I expect to see a rejuvenated Manning behind a much improved offensive line with an elite RB to take a lot of the burden off his shoulders.

I'm really looking forward to this season.
Culture and locker room...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/21/2019 9:10 am : link
...is HUGE!

I've been in the room with both sides...IT IS HUGE!

Anyone suggesting that they don't matter has never been in the room.
Giants and DG  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/21/2019 9:17 am : link
Did some much needed fumigation of the org. Not a surprise you get this unprecedented backlash shit stirring gossip, he dumped some real entitled backstabbing assholes.

Meh, no good deed goes unpunished.
RE: RE: Remember when the Giants signed free agents like  
mfsd : 8/21/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14537737 ron mexico said:
Quote:
In comment 14537650 mfsd said:


Quote:


Plaxico Burress, Antonio Pierce, Kareem McKenzie, Shaun O’Hara, Antrell Rolle, Michael Boley, Kavika Mitchell, and a bunch of solid role player guys and beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl twice, despite Reese and Ross wasting draft picks on guys like Clint Sintim, Ramses Barden, Sinorice Moss, Marvin Austin, etc etc?

Do people forget who was the Giants head of pro personnel during those years? A guy named Dave Gettleman.



You were probably reminded of this by my post from a few weeks ago giving getts credit for those moves.

But I'm just some unhinged hater who will stop at nothing till I see gettleman fired.


Not intended as a reply to you directly (don’t recall your prior post), really a general comment about how a lot of people seem to either forget, or choose to discount, the good job DG has done building teams in his previous jobs.

We’re in agreement his Giants GM report card is incomplete, and that he misread the team could compete last year. Drafts look strong so far, but need to wait 3-4 years to pass final judgement on that.

My comments on this thread are really just around how many in the media and some fans seem to really hate him personally, and that’s driving the negative narrative about the Giants.
...  
christian : 8/21/2019 9:34 am : link
I must be reading much different media than some of you. This offseason has been a mix of criticism and optimism regarding Jones. And the reaction to the Beckham trade started with some shock and hyperbole, but as Beckham has shown to be a tot bag of dicks, the reaction has mellowed.

I don't see anywhere near the uproar and ridicule of the team like when Manning got benched, or Coughlin got fired.

Aside from this obvious trolls, the list of contrarians actually just seems like skeptics of a team that's put out a loser 5/6 last years. I am happy to be at the top of that list.
RE: ...  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14537908 christian said:
Quote:
I must be reading much different media than some of you. This offseason has been a mix of criticism and optimism regarding Jones. And the reaction to the Beckham trade started with some shock and hyperbole, but as Beckham has shown to be a tot bag of dicks, the reaction has mellowed.

I don't see anywhere near the uproar and ridicule of the team like when Manning got benched, or Coughlin got fired.

Aside from this obvious trolls, the list of contrarians actually just seems like skeptics of a team that's put out a loser 5/6 last years. I am happy to be at the top of that list.


I can't recall the last time I saw a reaction to a draft pick like what happened with Daniel Jones. Can you? And what optimism? The pick was universally panned until Jones took the field and made everybody shut up about it for a little while.
The Jets  
ron mexico : 8/21/2019 9:44 am : link
have entire highlight reel of similar reactions
Jets Draft Blunders - ( New Window )
I knew somebody was going to bring that up....  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2019 9:45 am : link
but we're not talking initial reaction of the crowd. We're talking months upon months of shitting on Jones, shitting on Gettleman, all the way up to insinuation of racism as the cause for the pick.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2019 9:46 am : link
Francesa was particularly vicious when he stopped getting what he wanted from the team.
Fatman is right....  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2019 9:47 am : link
You're being a contrarian. That's fine if you don't see what I'm talking about, that's fine. A lot of people do see it and agree, and that's fine too.
RE: Here is my actual take`  
crick n NC : 8/21/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14537777 ron mexico said:
Quote:

Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete


Ron, do you think it's possible that Gettleman was using lip service in saying last years team could compete?

I certainly don't see an upside in coming out publicly and saying the team sucks.
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 8/21/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14537924 Britt in VA said:
Quote:
In comment 14537908 christian said:


Quote:


I must be reading much different media than some of you. This offseason has been a mix of criticism and optimism regarding Jones. And the reaction to the Beckham trade started with some shock and hyperbole, but as Beckham has shown to be a tot bag of dicks, the reaction has mellowed.

I don't see anywhere near the uproar and ridicule of the team like when Manning got benched, or Coughlin got fired.

Aside from this obvious trolls, the list of contrarians actually just seems like skeptics of a team that's put out a loser 5/6 last years. I am happy to be at the top of that list.



I can't recall the last time I saw a reaction to a draft pick like what happened with Daniel Jones. Can you? And what optimism? The pick was universally panned until Jones took the field and made everybody shut up about it for a little while.


Who's to say it's for a little while? Jones has played well in practice, it's translated to the field in pre-season, and the local and national media has covered his success plenty.

Google Daniel Jones right now, this is what I get after Mayfield's dipshit article.

- How Daniel Jones Can Really Stick it to Baker Mayfield
- Mike Francessa Calls Baker Mayfield Brainless After Daniel Jones Comments
- 3 Giants Players to Watch in 3rd Pre Season Game

Seems like a press that's well aware Mayfield is a dope and coming to Jones defense or focusing on football.

I think plenty of picks get panned right after the draft, and then things even out in reactions and coverage when guys get on the field. I think it literally happens every year to a team or two when they pick a QB.
RE: RE: Here is my actual take`  
ron mexico : 8/21/2019 10:03 am : link
In comment 14537940 crick n NC said:
Quote:
In comment 14537777 ron mexico said:


Quote:



Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete




Ron, do you think it's possible that Gettleman was using lip service in saying last years team could compete?

I certainly don't see an upside in coming out publicly and saying the team sucks.


I'm basing that more on his actions, but his statements also factor into my opinion
Ron,  
crick n NC : 8/21/2019 10:10 am : link
I see his actions as trying to rebuild a team with not only talented players, but players who understand the element of teamteam. If Solder had three full years of decent to good play while also being a various leader then I can see why the giants paid so much for an older player.
RE: Fatman is right....  
ron mexico : 8/21/2019 10:11 am : link
In comment 14537939 Britt in VA said:
Quote:
You're being a contrarian. That's fine if you don't see what I'm talking about, that's fine. A lot of people do see it and agree, and that's fine too.


Yes the media reaction has been over the top.

My personal opinion is I don't really care about all the personalities in sports commentary shouting hot takes. It Doesn't impact the results on the field.

As for jettisoning  
crick n NC : 8/21/2019 10:12 am : link
Players midway through the season; I think Gettleman maybe needed to see for himself the possible problems with the team internally, not necessarily giving up on the season.
If...  
Nolan64 : 8/21/2019 3:02 pm : link
the players need negative publicity to motivate them, then they're in trouble.imo
Screw the media .  
Bluesbreaker : 8/21/2019 3:07 pm : link
All I can say I am glad we have DG I think he was a solid
choice to rebuild the team the crap he has taken
and fans as well screw them all The Barkley and Jones
picks the slaughtered both decisions and It looks like
he has proved them wrong on both ,
RE: Screw the media .  
Greg from LI : 8/21/2019 3:25 pm : link
In comment 14538405 Bluesbreaker said:
Quote:
The Barkley and Jones
picks the slaughtered both decisions and It looks like
he has proved them wrong on both ,


Jones has proven something by playing well in meaningless exhibitions? Hoooo-k.
RE: RE: ...  
Tesla : 8/21/2019 4:26 pm : link
In comment 14537924 Britt in VA said:
Quote:
In comment 14537908 christian said:



I can't recall the last time I saw a reaction to a draft pick like what happened with Daniel Jones. Can you?


Clelin Ferrell, drafted #4 by Raiders in 2019. Anytime a player is drafted much higher than anticipated the team gets laughed at. It's not unique to the Jones pick.
Raiders Roasted for Picking Ferrell - ( New Window )
Hot takes + lemmings = cash...Sports journalism 2019 (Britt in VA)  
Torrag : 8/21/2019 5:33 pm : link
Spot on.
RE: Here is my actual take`  
djm : 8/21/2019 6:06 pm : link
In comment 14537777 ron mexico said:
Quote:
And I'd be happy to compare brainpans with you any time


Getts is a mixed bag for me
ron mexico : 7/27/2019 8:47 pm : link
In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)

Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete

and then there are the trades

I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.


I will add that the draft
ron mexico : 7/28/2019 5:26 pm : link
Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.

So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.


Any fan that rails against the GM because said GM “assessed that last year’s team could compete” is fucking weird. Sorry, it’s true. You’re not only blaming the GM for lip service but WTF do you expect any GM to say in that spot? “We’re gonna suck, everyone.”

You’re not alone, dozens of fans have bashed DG for this. And you’re all nuts for doing so.
RE: ...  
djm : 8/21/2019 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14537908 christian said:
Quote:
I must be reading much different media than some of you. This offseason has been a mix of criticism and optimism regarding Jones. And the reaction to the Beckham trade started with some shock and hyperbole, but as Beckham has shown to be a tot bag of dicks, the reaction has mellowed.

I don't see anywhere near the uproar and ridicule of the team like when Manning got benched, or Coughlin got fired.

Aside from this obvious trolls, the list of contrarians actually just seems like skeptics of a team that's put out a loser 5/6 last years. I am happy to be at the top of that list.


You are missing something. We’re talking more about the immediate fallout from the jones pick and the overall perception of the offseason.

You will never convince me that the jones pick was fairly criticized or covered. It was downright brutal. Any fan that didn’t do his or her own homework was led to believe that the giants drafted Joseph Stalin to play qb.
RE: RE: Here is my actual take`  
ron mexico : 8/21/2019 6:17 pm : link
In comment 14538544 djm said:
Quote:
In comment 14537777 ron mexico said:


Quote:


And I'd be happy to compare brainpans with you any time


Getts is a mixed bag for me
ron mexico : 7/27/2019 8:47 pm : link
In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)

Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete

and then there are the trades

I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.


I will add that the draft
ron mexico : 7/28/2019 5:26 pm : link
Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.

So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.



Any fan that rails against the GM because said GM “assessed that last year’s team could compete” is fucking weird. Sorry, it’s true. You’re not only blaming the GM for lip service but WTF do you expect any GM to say in that spot? “We’re gonna suck, everyone.”

You’re not alone, dozens of fans have bashed DG for this. And you’re all nuts for doing so.


Sigh

For the 10th time I'm talking about his actions not his words
RE: Here is my actual take`  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14537777 ron mexico said:
Quote:
And I'd be happy to compare brainpans with you any time


Getts is a mixed bag for me
ron mexico : 7/27/2019 8:47 pm : link
In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)

Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete

and then there are the trades

I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.


I will add that the draft
ron mexico : 7/28/2019 5:26 pm : link
Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.

So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.


Ron - good for you to quickly set the record straight as to this.

You want to get off those "lists" as soon as possible as you don't know what could happen next...
To be fair  
djm : 8/21/2019 6:47 pm : link
I tend to overreact to any giants overt negativity. I admit it. Who we kidding.... but I still believe the giants get more heat than most teams. Even when they win it always seems like they shocked the world. When in doubt, bash the giants first and ask questions later seems to be the common theme.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 6:47 pm : link
In comment 14537949 christian said:
Quote:


I think plenty of picks get panned right after the draft, and then things even out in reactions and coverage when guys get on the field. I think it literally happens every year to a team or two when they pick a QB.


Yep. But then this thread wouldn't work...
Googs  
crick n NC : 8/21/2019 6:48 pm : link
You don't get along with FMIC we all know. No reason to add more fuel to an already burning fire.
RE: To be fair  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14538568 djm said:
Quote:
I tend to overreact to any giants overt negativity. I admit it. Who we kidding.... but I still believe the giants get more heat than most teams. Even when they win it always seems like they shocked the world. When in doubt, bash the giants first and ask questions later seems to be the common theme.


Maybe because you follow them the most. And maybe because its NYC...
...  
christian : 8/21/2019 6:51 pm : link
Top 10 picks who aren't part of the conventional (and clearly flawed and poorly informed) draft projections evoke all kinds of negative reactions every year.

Mitch Trabisky got bood by the home town draft audience and at a Bulls game later that week, just as a recent reference.

I guess my definition of brutal and what's galvanizing for a team is just much higher.

To me Jones got panned, and 2 pre-season games later is well regarded and well covered in the press.
RE: Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14538572 crick n NC said:
Quote:
You don't get along with FMIC we all know. No reason to add more fuel to an already burning fire.


When crap like this stops...


Not an..
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:20 am : link : reply
unhinged hater.

Just a pretty dim bulb with a consistently contrarian take.
DG’s so called bad vet FA moves in 2018  
djm : 8/21/2019 6:55 pm : link
Are so overstated in my view. Anyone want to give solder back it you could do it over again? Didn’t think so. So he’s overpaid. So was Oliver Vernon and all we heard on BBI was how deadly that contract would turn out. Ok the stewart move didn’t work but cmon guys it was a stupid one year deal and really done more for locker room glue than anything else. Same with the terrible left guard with the hard to spell last name. You’re gonna kill DG for that shit? One year vet MIN type deals? What about the half dozen young player building blocks from last year? Or the good early buzz on this year’s class?

No one is perfect certainly not DG but the early returns are good. As usual the media has gone out of their way to cast DG in an unfavorable light. And why? Because DG basically told many of them to fuck off, much like coughlin did. Much like so many in this town have done only to be sabotaged or cut open at every turn by the media. It happens every where but it’s more pronounced here with the giants. I’ve never be convinced otherwised.
RE: ...  
djm : 8/21/2019 6:56 pm : link
In comment 14538575 christian said:
Quote:
Top 10 picks who aren't part of the conventional (and clearly flawed and poorly informed) draft projections evoke all kinds of negative reactions every year.

Mitch Trabisky got bood by the home town draft audience and at a Bulls game later that week, just as a recent reference.

I guess my definition of brutal and what's galvanizing for a team is just much higher.

To me Jones got panned, and 2 pre-season games later is well regarded and well covered in the press.


I didn’t know that about Mitch and Chicago. Interesting.
RE: RE: Screw the media .  
djm : 8/21/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14538413 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
In comment 14538405 Bluesbreaker said:


Quote:


The Barkley and Jones
picks the slaughtered both decisions and It looks like
he has proved them wrong on both ,



Jones has proven something by playing well in meaningless exhibitions? Hoooo-k.


Jones hasn’t proven a thing other than show he has legit NFL potential. That in itself shuts a lot of people up who insisted he was hot garbage on a good day.
RE: RE: RE: Here is my actual take`  
djm : 8/21/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14538550 ron mexico said:
Quote:
In comment 14538544 djm said:


Quote:


In comment 14537777 ron mexico said:


Quote:


And I'd be happy to compare brainpans with you any time


Getts is a mixed bag for me
ron mexico : 7/27/2019 8:47 pm : link
In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)

Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete

and then there are the trades

I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.


I will add that the draft
ron mexico : 7/28/2019 5:26 pm : link
Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.

So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.



Any fan that rails against the GM because said GM “assessed that last year’s team could compete” is fucking weird. Sorry, it’s true. You’re not only blaming the GM for lip service but WTF do you expect any GM to say in that spot? “We’re gonna suck, everyone.”

You’re not alone, dozens of fans have bashed DG for this. And you’re all nuts for doing so.



Sigh

For the 10th time I'm talking about his actions not his words


His actions show a clear resetting of the roster. The guy nuked this shit from orbit.
RE: RE: Googs  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14538576 Jimmy Googs said:
Quote:
In comment 14538572 crick n NC said:


Quote:


You don't get along with FMIC we all know. No reason to add more fuel to an already burning fire.



When crap like this stops...


Not an..
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:20 am : link : reply
unhinged hater.

Just a pretty dim bulb with a consistently contrarian take.


LOL. It is like you felt left out so you had to make an appearance.

Of course, not discussing the topic at hand as usual.

The long troll....
RE: RE: RE: RE: Here is my actual take`  
ron mexico : 8/21/2019 7:08 pm : link
In comment 14538586 djm said:
Quote:
In comment 14538550 ron mexico said:


Quote:


In comment 14538544 djm said:


Quote:


In comment 14537777 ron mexico said:


Quote:


And I'd be happy to compare brainpans with you any time


Getts is a mixed bag for me
ron mexico : 7/27/2019 8:47 pm : link
In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)

Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete

and then there are the trades

I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.


I will add that the draft
ron mexico : 7/28/2019 5:26 pm : link
Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.

So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.



Any fan that rails against the GM because said GM “assessed that last year’s team could compete” is fucking weird. Sorry, it’s true. You’re not only blaming the GM for lip service but WTF do you expect any GM to say in that spot? “We’re gonna suck, everyone.”

You’re not alone, dozens of fans have bashed DG for this. And you’re all nuts for doing so.



Sigh

For the 10th time I'm talking about his actions not his words



His actions show a clear resetting of the roster. The guy nuked this shit from orbit.


His actions from midseason on, yes

I'm talking about what he did in the beginning of the 2018 season
RE: To be fair  
bw in dc : 8/21/2019 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14538568 djm said:
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I tend to overreact to any giants overt negativity. I admit it. Who we kidding.... but I still believe the giants get more heat than most teams. Even when they win it always seems like they shocked the world. When in doubt, bash the giants first and ask questions later seems to be the common theme.


I think every team is a distant second to Dallas. And that's been the case - nationally - for decades.
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christian : 8/21/2019 7:16 pm : link
These discussions typically go sideways when there's mitigating reason to defend every move a GM made.

Isn't it much more likely and honestly more credible, if Gettleman made some good, some average and some bad moves last year? And that a year and change into job no moves can really be declared extraordinary or tragedies?

I read a ton about the Giants and read way too much BBI, and I'd say more than the majority of content and opinions fit into the above perspective.

If Eric took a poll today, what do guys think the percentage would be of people who think Gettleman has done an awful, average, good, or great job so far?
I think..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2019 7:23 pm : link
more people would say awful than good, which is part of the reason these discussions exist.

It doesn't match with reality
RE: I think..  
christian : 8/21/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14538601 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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more people would say awful than good, which is part of the reason these discussions exist.

It doesn't match with reality


I'd guess it'd be 60-40 positive to negative.
RE: RE: RE: Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14538587 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 14538576 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 14538572 crick n NC said:


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You don't get along with FMIC we all know. No reason to add more fuel to an already burning fire.



When crap like this stops...


Not an..
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:20 am : link : reply
unhinged hater.

Just a pretty dim bulb with a consistently contrarian take.



LOL. It is like you felt left out so you had to make an appearance.

Of course, not discussing the topic at hand as usual.

The long troll....


All you did was take the topic and convert it into a list of posters that bother you.

short troll...
Bar signal  
dep026 : 8/21/2019 7:28 pm : link
Beams loud!!!
RE: I think..  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14538601 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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more people would say awful than good, which is part of the reason these discussions exist.

It doesn't match with reality


No it wouldn’t say that
The largest bucket would say good but need to see  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 7:32 pm : link
how Jones turns out.

Then next largest is undecided

Then smallest group would say bad

Hey Googs..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2019 7:38 pm : link
this was my first post on this thread:

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The Media often embraces teams that have been bad thinking they'd finally be consistently good.

They've embraced the Browns this year. The Jags last year. The Raiders two years ago. They almost always latch onto a team based on potential and prop them up before they've ever done a damn thing.

Heck, the Jets are getting a lot of love this year too. For years, they kept saying the Cardinals were going to break through. There's consistently been a lot of preseason optimism for the Lions under Stafford.

It isn't like the Media never does this.


I know it is a little wordy for your tastes and it actually discusses the topic, but I know that's out of your wheelhouse.

You should stay in your lane as a guy proudly wearing a badge as a terrible poster and flashing it whenever possible. That's your wheelhouse, Ace
It took you no time whatsoever  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 7:45 pm : link
to jump on your soapbox calling out the groups of contrarians, trolls, DG haters in your view.

Even creating a named list for Christ sake. Like who the hell do you think you are creating some type of black-ball list?

And when one Ron Mexico jumps back at you for doing so with facts... then he is basically called an idiot by you.

Just stop...
I was told..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2019 7:50 pm : link
it was "maybe 1 or 2" people who dislike Gettleman.

Are you that inept at reading to not understand why I listed several posters?

And that's a rhetorical question.
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christian : 8/21/2019 8:09 pm : link
I don't want to interrupt your spat, but if that is in reference to what I posted on this thread, I said there were only a few posters who go in circles criticizing Gettleman, meaning no matter what he does, they change their stance or go out of their way just to oppose what he did.
No, you listed posters that you hate and associated that  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 8:16 pm : link
with your view that they also hate Gettleman. One even saw your nonsense and replied that you’re off base with your drama queen embellishments.

Shouldn’t you be on the current OBJ thread that you joined with the sole purpose to describe how you hate a couple of other posters? I must have missed how you joined that one for some other football talking purpose.

naming a list of posters like that is classless, and even thinking you should be the one to determine it is egregious

Lol  
dep026 : 8/21/2019 8:21 pm : link
Ignorance is bliss.
It..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2019 8:31 pm : link
is news to me that I hate Greg in LI!

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No, you listed posters that you hate and associated that
Jimmy Googs : 8:16 pm : link : reply
with your view that they also hate Gettleman.


You like to associate me with terms like hate, goosestepping and a lot of things that cross the line. At least know what the fuck you are talking about.

Greg thinks Gettleman is doing a terrible job. He'd own up to that. How does that equate to me hating him?

I think you will be at a loss to explain that - but you sure took a lot of care to make assumptions, Boss.
Screaming at posters, calling out others with minority  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 8:42 pm : link
views, contrarians if they disagree with you, exaggerating to create sensational effects, making lists

Sorry, if your softer side isn't coming thru...
Great..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2019 8:47 pm : link
another post that gives the temperature of other posters but doesn't say a fucking thing about the topic.

Awesome work.

So I take it you have no explanation to describe my hatred of Greg.
I can  
crick n NC : 8/21/2019 8:51 pm : link
See I helped out greatly!
RE: I can  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14538682 crick n NC said:
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See I helped out greatly!


I chuckled at this. Soon you'll laugh - if you haven't gotten brain damage from banging your head against a wall already!!
Did you give your explanation that Ron Mexico  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 8:58 pm : link
showed up on your list? Anybody else that shouldn't be on it but somehow made your most recent call out sheet.

Is your list even finished as it was just off the top of your head...surely there are others that you have pondered that hate and criticize DG's every move at this point.

Sounds like Greg gets a get out of jail free pass and a christmas card from you this holiday season.
And it still  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/21/2019 8:59 pm : link
sounds like someone is fucking clueless and prancing around proudly shouting it.

And still not discussing the topic.

Color me fucking shocked.
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crick n NC : 8/21/2019 9:01 pm : link
.  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2019 9:03 pm : link
I still don't really get the endgame here with all of these armchair diagnosis' and sarcastic remarks regarding other posters' behavior. Is it any more conducive to football discussion than the behavior that is continually brought up as "classless" or disagreeable?

Everyone here can defend themselves. They don't need the white knight routine on a daily basis.

If the way FMiC handles himself here bugs you that much, maybe just ignore it and let those posters he's calling such mean and offensive names handle their own business. I'm sure they'll be okay. We've all been called much worse things than idiots, I'm sure.
RE: And it still  
dep026 : 8/21/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14538696 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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sounds like someone is fucking clueless and prancing around proudly shouting it.

And still not discussing the topic.

Color me fucking shocked.


Hey I’ve been ringing this tune for over a year about him. Get your own material!!!

(This is another argument you and I are having btw :)
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arcarsenal : 8/21/2019 9:06 pm : link
In fact, posters like bw are more than content to fight their own battles - he'll be the first guy to tell you that. He enjoys the discourse.
The only topic of concern  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 9:07 pm : link
is you stopping the ridiculous berating of others. Its ponderous at this point that you don't see it being out of line tossing out fucksticks at the drop of a hat.
RE: .  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14538701 arcarsenal said:
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I still don't really get the endgame here with all of these armchair diagnosis' and sarcastic remarks regarding other posters' behavior. Is it any more conducive to football discussion than the behavior that is continually brought up as "classless" or disagreeable?

Everyone here can defend themselves. They don't need the white knight routine on a daily basis.

If the way FMiC handles himself here bugs you that much, maybe just ignore it and let those posters he's calling such mean and offensive names handle their own business. I'm sure they'll be okay. We've all been called much worse things than idiots, I'm sure.


I think you know the end game is a better result. And it certainly shouldn't matter who steps up and says anything with regards to someone being offensive.
You know, this thread was pretty benign....  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2019 9:18 pm : link
Hey, it's us against the world, maybe we can use the negativity as motivation, sort of thread.... Pretty tame stuff.

Where this thread went sideways is when the usual suspects had to come on here and convince all of us that the negative attention is figments of our imagination.

For what reason? I'm thinking to be contrarian, as Fatman says. Or trolling perhaps? Or maybe to prove they are the smartest in the room, so they think?

But when I re-read my op, I'm still trying to figure out why somebody would vehemently argue and disagree with it, but whatever.
Can anybody agree on anything on this site?  
Britt in VA : 8/21/2019 9:20 pm : link
Or do you want to argue everything?
Britt - of course the Giants have gotten negative press  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 9:26 pm : link
and it is clearly going to be aligned to how negatively they performed. However, they get a lot of good press as well when the reverse happens. Sans Cris Carter, the media has been very favorable on Daniel Jones and his summer performance in camp and games as an example.

So like many things, it goes both ways
RE: Can anybody agree on anything on this site?  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/21/2019 9:28 pm : link
In comment 14538722 Britt in VA said:
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Or do you want to argue everything?


The one thing we should all agree on is the ton of negative attention we have received over this offseason. It is blindingly obvious, although it seems to have dissipated a bit. I think the Cards are getting the bulk of the "national joke" attention thrusted onto them.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2019 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14538714 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14538701 arcarsenal said:


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I still don't really get the endgame here with all of these armchair diagnosis' and sarcastic remarks regarding other posters' behavior. Is it any more conducive to football discussion than the behavior that is continually brought up as "classless" or disagreeable?

Everyone here can defend themselves. They don't need the white knight routine on a daily basis.

If the way FMiC handles himself here bugs you that much, maybe just ignore it and let those posters he's calling such mean and offensive names handle their own business. I'm sure they'll be okay. We've all been called much worse things than idiots, I'm sure.



I think you know the end game is a better result. And it certainly shouldn't matter who steps up and says anything with regards to someone being offensive.


I know that you may want the endgame to be a better result, but I'm surprised you think that namecalling or arguments on a football board would just cease or lessen dramatically as a result of any of this.

BBI has been like this for as long as I've been here... which isn't necessarily as long as some of the old timers, but it's been over 13 years now of posting here and I don't think we're ever going to have a cushy little Xanadu here where no one ever argues or throws around insults, etc.

I think there are certain insults and things that can cross a line even here... but calling people fucksticks, dipshits or whatever... who cares. We've heard it all and have heard it all since we were kids.

I've been called those things here at times, too. I don't really take it personally or care much - I can handle fighting my battles on my own without help. I think most of the guys here would probably say they're more than capable of doing the same.

None of us post about football 100% of the time; but obviously that should always be our goal when the topics are, indeed, football-related. Arguments are going to happen. Name calling is going to happen. Most of it is harmless - I've never really thought of FMIC's insults towards others as line crossing or truly classless. Sometimes people here really do cross lines by making things super personal - but for the most part, I really don't think it's a big deal, and I don't think anything on this particular thread was bad.

Certainly not to the point where we need to rehash it all each day on a new thread.

Just my .02, though.
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arcarsenal : 8/21/2019 9:34 pm : link
For what it's worth, I think there are just posters here who continually seek out the negative angle in anything we discuss and then hide behind the guise of "objectivity" or rationality when they're really not being fair and generally aren't fair. Those people kind of stick in the craw of others - and admittedly, they can be bothersome to me as well.

I'm not here to tell other people how to be a fan. But some posters have very clear agendas and will only show up when they can complain about the Giants or berate Gettleman.

We've sucked for a long time now, and criticism is warranted. I don't think any of us would disagree on that. But, it's like some people just won't accept a single shred of optimism and absolutely refuse to see things any other way than their own. Everything sucks, everything is the worst, the Giants will never be good again, Gettleman is clueless.... on and on.
RE: You know, this thread was pretty benign....  
Les in TO : 8/21/2019 9:35 pm : link
In comment 14538717 Britt in VA said:
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Hey, it's us against the world, maybe we can use the negativity as motivation, sort of thread.... Pretty tame stuff.

Where this thread went sideways is when the usual suspects had to come on here and convince all of us that the negative attention is figments of our imagination.

For what reason? I'm thinking to be contrarian, as Fatman says. Or trolling perhaps? Or maybe to prove they are the smartest in the room, so they think?

But when I re-read my op, I'm still trying to figure out why somebody would vehemently argue and disagree with it, but whatever.
did you want debate or discussion or did you just want everybody to say “you’re right” and amen? Your thread is premised on the notion that everyone has been highly critical of the Giants moves, which is debatable.
I read you  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 9:36 pm : link
and do think some behavior can change because it simply isnt hard
RE: You know, this thread was pretty benign....  
Les in TO : 8/21/2019 9:41 pm : link
In comment 14538717 Britt in VA said:
Quote:
Hey, it's us against the world, maybe we can use the negativity as motivation, sort of thread.... Pretty tame stuff.

Where this thread went sideways is when the usual suspects had to come on here and convince all of us that the negative attention is figments of our imagination.

For what reason? I'm thinking to be contrarian, as Fatman says. Or trolling perhaps? Or maybe to prove they are the smartest in the room, so they think?

But when I re-read my op, I'm still trying to figure out why somebody would vehemently argue and disagree with it, but whatever.
as well, you claim your topic was benign but in your opening post you take a pre emptive attack against the “usual suspects” who are cynical about the us vs the world mentality.
RE: .  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14538736 arcarsenal said:
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I'm not here to tell other people how to be a fan. But some posters have very clear agendas and will only show up when they can complain about the Giants or berate Gettleman.



But if they indeed have an agenda and that is how they want to be a fan then so what? Maybe take your own advice from the post above that you wrote and treat these folks as harmless as well...
RE: RE: You know, this thread was pretty benign....  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2019 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14538739 Les in TO said:
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In comment 14538717 Britt in VA said:


Quote:


Hey, it's us against the world, maybe we can use the negativity as motivation, sort of thread.... Pretty tame stuff.

Where this thread went sideways is when the usual suspects had to come on here and convince all of us that the negative attention is figments of our imagination.

For what reason? I'm thinking to be contrarian, as Fatman says. Or trolling perhaps? Or maybe to prove they are the smartest in the room, so they think?

But when I re-read my op, I'm still trying to figure out why somebody would vehemently argue and disagree with it, but whatever.

did you want debate or discussion or did you just want everybody to say “you’re right” and amen? Your thread is premised on the notion that everyone has been highly critical of the Giants moves, which is debatable.


It's not, really - the Giants got crushed by a lot of people for picking Jones where they did.

Not everyone, but that's never going to be entirely true on really any topic.

It's not wrong to say that there's been a lot of negative press regarding this team recently.

Yes, there are some people who did like the Jones pick. Not everyone universally killed it. But there's been enough of it that the premise of the thread is most certainly fair.

I think the majority perception of the Giants' offseason through various media outlets, etc. has been negative.

It seems like maybe it's lightened a tad after people got a look at Jones and realized that maybe he's not this useless pile of garbage that they thought he'd be and that maybe there's something there... but I do think the general tune towards NYG has been more of the negative variety.. and some of the hot takes on Jones from draft night were excessive.

You'd think we'd all want to rally behind this team; but I get the impression that some people are rooting for their opinions to be validated more than they're rooting for NYG to get out of this dark, shitty hole they've been stuck in for the majority of the last 6-7 years.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 8/21/2019 9:49 pm : link
In comment 14538745 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14538736 arcarsenal said:


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I'm not here to tell other people how to be a fan. But some posters have very clear agendas and will only show up when they can complain about the Giants or berate Gettleman.





But if they indeed have an agenda and that is how they want to be a fan then so what? Maybe take your own advice from the post above that you wrote and treat these folks as harmless as well...


How many people did I call out and argue with on this thread?

I mostly do take my own advice.

Perfect, I am not... sometimes I take the bait and argue points that I think are poor or don't make sense. But look at my first post on this thread... it's just my opinion on the Giants. It has nothing to do with any other poster. I didn't criticize anyone. The 2nd post was about Francesa.

And then my third was part of this current discussion.
RE: RE: RE: You know, this thread was pretty benign....  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14538750 arcarsenal said:
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You'd think we'd all want to rally behind this team; but I get the impression that some people are rooting for their opinions to be validated more than they're rooting for NYG to get out of this dark, shitty hole they've been stuck in for the majority of the last 6-7 years.


Probably some are rooting for their opinions to be validated but again...so what?

Sure as hell there are exponentially more rooting for the team.
RE: Can anybody agree on anything on this site?  
christian : 8/21/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14538722 Britt in VA said:
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Or do you want to argue everything?


Not everyone is going to agree with your opinion, and not everyone thinks the Giants are victims of the mean press and the mean fans.

The "contrarians" thing is a little dopey. It might seem contrarian -- but some reasonably minded posters would actually like to participate in fact-based discussions, not hyperbolic generalizations.

When you post on this site, aren't you looking for conversation, debate, new information, and dialogue?

I don't think Jones was any more targeted in the media than Mitch Trubisky or Donovan McNabb, or really any other QB who was drafted before what was predicted.

Now two weeks into the pre-season, the New York and football press is pretty impressed by the kid. That's fantastic.

But man, sometimes I feel like a couple of you feel defending Gettleman or the Giants at large on BBI is actually going to have real world consequences.

It's just a place to swap opinions and hopefully some fact based knowledge about football, it's not actually real.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Jimmy Googs : 8/21/2019 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14538752 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14538745 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 14538736 arcarsenal said:


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I'm not here to tell other people how to be a fan. But some posters have very clear agendas and will only show up when they can complain about the Giants or berate Gettleman.





But if they indeed have an agenda and that is how they want to be a fan then so what? Maybe take your own advice from the post above that you wrote and treat these folks as harmless as well...



How many people did I call out and argue with on this thread?

I mostly do take my own advice.

Perfect, I am not... sometimes I take the bait and argue points that I think are poor or don't make sense. But look at my first post on this thread... it's just my opinion on the Giants. It has nothing to do with any other poster. I didn't criticize anyone. The 2nd post was about Francesa.

And then my third was part of this current discussion.


sorry didn't mean to imply that specifically to you. It was moreso that you stated it as a general rule earlier and I was repeating it in that context.

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