Been a while since they've gotten dragged through the mud and piled on like this.
Not that they haven't deserved it in the past couple of years, but we've been so bad it just felt like people didn't care.... But something has awoken in the national spotlight aspect, just the sheer animosity from the media, talking heads, fans, etc.... The vitriol towards the franchise, ownership, management, and now the players.... It's excessive, I think. And I like it.
Good team building exercise. Us against the world. I like it when the Giants play like that. Coughlin used to be a master of motivation with that stuff. Parcells too. Hopefully Shurmur can use some of this stuff to light a fire.
And yeah, I know the usual suspects will jump on this thread and say "you think these guys care about that stuff? Culture and lockerroom is bullshit, etc...."
Yeah, I do believe it matters, and I do believe they are taking note.
I think it's coming.
What's funny is, people have gone so over the top there's no backtracking. There have been so many over the top definitive statements on what the Giants (general) are or aren't, that there's going to be no explaining it away. The line in the sand has been drawn. The expectation is that we're awful and going to continue to be awful.
We'll see.
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Okay that's fair. My point is just there is something here to work with and I'd like to see it used to motivate the players to play with a little fire and sense of purpose.
But seriously, I like it too! The Giants have always been lousy front runners.
If I had to guess, this club is somewhere between a 7 & 9, and a 9 & 7 team. But anything could happen. They have some talent, some depth and fewer hot dogs. All good things.
As far as our beloved Giants go, well, they have smelled pretty badly these past several years. Thinking back to when they won their last 2 SB's however, public opinion was generally negative even then.
Low expectations are good for the team. I kind of feel this team is similar to the 1984 Giants, a team that was turning the corner and getting stronger. The Giants may have more losses than we'd like this year, but I expect them to be very competitive and that they will finish the year as a team no one with playoff hopes wants to face. Shit sandwiches all around!
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I think it's coming.
What's funny is, people have gone so over the top there's no backtracking. There have been so many over the top definitive statements on what the Giants (general) are or aren't, that there's going to be no explaining it away. The line in the sand has been drawn. The expectation is that we're awful and going to continue to be awful.
We'll see.
I do to. Not that theyre going to be dominant or anything like that. I think they're going to be a middle of the road team that can lay one on you if you look past them.
Why should sports writers make their job harder by not just regurgitating anti-Giant screed and actually having to do sports journalism?
And why do we keep paying attention to it!? ;-)
I hope more than anyone the Giants turn it around and DJ is a top 5-10 NFL qb for the next decade plus. The arrow seems pointed up. But until the Giants start producing consistent, tangible results on the field and their organizational decisions mirror those results, the media narrative won't change.
If our guys were attacking other players/management in the league, then it might be similar. Baker Mayfield isn't proving the haters wrong, he's providing the hating.
I think they actually like it. They lean into the factory of sadness and QB turnstile stuff.
And of course, the famous hastily made Cleveland tourism video
hastily made Cleveland tourism video - ( New Window )
Why even care what the media thinks? As much as people here whine about the media as BBI Enemy #1, there sure is a ton of emphasis on listening to what they have to say and talking about it every single day.
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"but we've been so bad it just felt like people didn't care.... But something has awoken in the national spotlight aspect, just the sheer animosity from the media, talking heads, fans, etc."
I'm pretty sure the turning point was when we traded OBJ and then solidified when we drafted Daniel Jones.
Excessive? No. It's been richly deserved.
From the OBJ non-stop jerk-off show, the Mara-Manning-McAdoo saga, the Coughlin drama, the 4th quarter meltdowns, the phony GM search, the poor drafts...and on and on and on.
Sorry, but the Giants have been sitting ducks for the negative coverage because they have been a disaster.
I read your post quite well the first time -- and I think it's funny you think the media's reaction is any more severe this offseason than it was when Coughlin was fired, when Manning was benched, or when McAdoo and Reese were fired.
The media and the perception of this team has been pointed and severe for most of at least the last 4 seasons.
The Giants were briefly out of the cross hairs when they went on that nice run in the Fall of 2016, and then right back in it when they fell ass flat in the playoffs and all anyone cared about was a topless shot of the receivers.
If anything the Giants have some bright spots in coverage -- Barkley is near universally praised in the media, Jones has garnered good headlines in the pre season.
The team hasn't really done anything yet, they have deserved what they are getting right now. The last few years have sucked, except when we made the run in 2016.
A couple of pre-season wins doesn't make this team a contender for a playoff berth.
They do appear to be moving in the right direction. It appears the last 2 draft classes have been good. They turned over the roster, which was needed.
They need to PROVE IT with an improved regular season performance. Not expecting to make the playoffs, but would love to watch one more run with #10. You never know.
Just improve, be competitive and get the young QB some games if they fall out of contention (I think this could happen quicker than we think if they start slow).
Set up the duck for '20. Next year could be huge, we will have $55 million of cap space...
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It has been for awhile now. There seems to be this hatred towards the Giants I can’t fully understand? Nevertheless I’m good with it as well, the only bad thing is I don’t see Shurmur using this like Coughlin did in the past. A good coach can turn this into a positive thing, and use this to fuel the fire in this team. We shall see..
Excessive? No. It's been richly deserved.
From the OBJ non-stop jerk-off show, the Mara-Manning-McAdoo saga, the Coughlin drama, the 4th quarter meltdowns, the phony GM search, the poor drafts...and on and on and on.
Sorry, but the Giants have been sitting ducks for the negative coverage because they have been a disaster.
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It has been for awhile now. There seems to be this hatred towards the Giants I can’t fully understand? Nevertheless I’m good with it as well, the only bad thing is I don’t see Shurmur using this like Coughlin did in the past. A good coach can turn this into a positive thing, and use this to fuel the fire in this team. We shall see..
Excessive? No. It's been richly deserved.
From the OBJ non-stop jerk-off show, the Mara-Manning-McAdoo saga, the Coughlin drama, the 4th quarter meltdowns, the phony GM search, the poor drafts...and on and on and on.
Sorry, but the Giants have been sitting ducks for the negative coverage because they have been a disaster.
You missed the point.
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That's been terrible for 5 of 6 years?
The Media often embraces teams that have been bad thinking they'd finally be consistently good.
They've embraced the Browns this year. The Jags last year. The Raiders two years ago. They almost always latch onto a team based on potential and prop them up before they've ever done a damn thing.
Heck, the Jets are getting a lot of love this year too. For years, they kept saying the Cardinals were going to break through. There's consistently been a lot of preseason optimism for the Lions under Stafford.
It isn't like the Media never does this.
Are you guys really going to dispute the claim that if a team like the BRONCOS traded up for jones or took jones top 10 that it gets this same heat? Cmon now. Don’t play dumb.
Did the Niners get this same heat when they let Terrell Owens walk for nothing??? What about Philly? Shit, what about the Steelers RIGHT NOW??? Are they getting crushed for letting brown go for pennies on the dollar? But the giants.... oh no.... release the hounds! Meanwhile, those same giants got four times the capital in return that Pitt got, but the giants are dysfunctional. And don’t even get me going on the jones pick and subsequent scrutiny, which has been downright historical in its hilarity.
The negativity from media and a lot of fans isn't just because the Giants have sucked. It's because Gettleman doesn't bother sucking up to them, so they don't like them.
The negativity from media and a lot of fans isn't just because the Giants have sucked. It's because Gettleman doesn't bother sucking up to them, so they don't like them.
Fans too. We had a poster here the other day openly admit that he “hates” Gettleman. Why?
Come to think of it, the Media had some pretty stout predictions for SF going into last season.
Just remember guys, the giants are dysfunctional because they drafted Daniel jones.
Just remember guys, the giants are dysfunctional because they drafted Daniel jones.
And racist, according to Cris Carter. That one sums up how ridiculous it has gotten.
Come to think of it, the Media had some pretty stout predictions for SF going into last season.
Its such an interesting one. All over Jimmy G last year, plays all of 2.5 games now the narrative seems to be he sucks and is massively overpaid.
It is one thing to disagree with some of his moves, especially some FA signings, but there have been posters who have literally said he gets no credit whatsoever. His really solid career gets very little respect. His time in Carolina gets shit on.
And he provokes some bizarre and terrible takes. One guy has been calling him DSG, for Dave Shithead Gettleman, since the day he was hired. Multiple posters say the hate the man. Not dislike him - but HATE him.
You'd swear that Gettleman is multitudes worse than Reese the way he's dragged around here.
Come to think of it, the Media had some pretty stout predictions for SF going into last season.
I was just going to bring up SF and Garoppolo. The media was busy crowning SF for making Garoppolo one of the highest paid QB’s in NFL history despite starting only 7 games in his career.
Sam. Darnold. The jets are finally back. Finally got their FRANCHISE QB!! No talk of what the jets traded up for darnold, and make mistake darnold did indeed have flaws coming out of USC. But the jets are functional. Giants are a joke. Or are they? Haven’t we been here before? Remember when the giants made the list for worst trades (Eli for the picks) all time on nfl network? Good times.
It is one thing to disagree with some of his moves, especially some FA signings, but there have been posters who have literally said he gets no credit whatsoever. His really solid career gets very little respect. His time in Carolina gets shit on.
And he provokes some bizarre and terrible takes. One guy has been calling him DSG, for Dave Shithead Gettleman, since the day he was hired. Multiple posters say the hate the man. Not dislike him - but HATE him.
You'd swear that Gettleman is multitudes worse than Reese the way he's dragged around here.
At this point he certainly is not better than Reese
That will change quickly though if Jones is a stud. Giants will have the last laugh if thats the case