Been a while since they've gotten dragged through the mud and piled on like this.
Not that they haven't deserved it in the past couple of years, but we've been so bad it just felt like people didn't care.... But something has awoken in the national spotlight aspect, just the sheer animosity from the media, talking heads, fans, etc.... The vitriol towards the franchise, ownership, management, and now the players.... It's excessive, I think. And I like it.
Good team building exercise. Us against the world. I like it when the Giants play like that. Coughlin used to be a master of motivation with that stuff. Parcells too. Hopefully Shurmur can use some of this stuff to light a fire.
And yeah, I know the usual suspects will jump on this thread and say "you think these guys care about that stuff? Culture and lockerroom is bullshit, etc...."
Yeah, I do believe it matters, and I do believe they are taking note.
That will change quickly though if Jones is a stud. Giants will have the last laugh if thats the case
True, but it really hasn’t become an issue until the Beckham trade + the Jones pick at 6. The national media became unhinged with those 2 moves.
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brings out some really interesting trolls as well as the pack of contrarians.
It is one thing to disagree with some of his moves, especially some FA signings, but there have been posters who have literally said he gets no credit whatsoever. His really solid career gets very little respect. His time in Carolina gets shit on.
And he provokes some bizarre and terrible takes. One guy has been calling him DSG, for Dave Shithead Gettleman, since the day he was hired. Multiple posters say the hate the man. Not dislike him - but HATE him.
You'd swear that Gettleman is multitudes worse than Reese the way he's dragged around here.
At this point he certainly is not better than Reese
You consistently act like Gettleman has been GM for 1.5 years. And that he had no prior success in the league.
You do realize that you can trace the Giants plunge to mediocrity directly to Gettleman leaving and Ross getting promoted, right?
Remember, in the time between Jones was picked by the Giants and before his performance in the first pre-season game agaisnt the Jets, quite a few Giants fans were still shitting on him and DG for picking him.
The first pre-season game turned quite a bit of that around. And then his performance in the second pre-season game (yes, despite the two fumbles, 11/14, 161 yards, 1 TD, coming back strong after the TOs), is what really started to turn a good amount of the fans who were against the pick, into suddenly starting to like the pick and Jones himself.
Fast forward to today, and Jones' reaction to the comments in front of the media really solidified him even more as a fan favorite. Seems like most Giants fans, if not all who were originally against him, are all 100% behind him now. In a way, these comments from Baker today and Jones' reaction, did him a solid where we really got to see how Jones' will handle stuff like this in the future. It was a great sign of things to come.
Daniel Jones is the future of this franchise. If he is legit (and thus far, it seems like he very well will be), DG will most likely be celebrated amongst Giants fans no matter what else he does (for the most part).
Only slightly bad part could be, is fans now might start to call for Jones to play this season. But even that doesn't matter much. 2020 is the next chapter in Giants football, and it's right around the corner.
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have done plenty to give the media/other teams ammo to make fun of them, the team has sucked for a while now.
That will change quickly though if Jones is a stud. Giants will have the last laugh if thats the case
True, but it really hasn’t become an issue until the Beckham trade + the Jones pick at 6. The national media became unhinged with those 2 moves.
Have you guys not been consuming media the last several years re: the Giants? The Giants have rightfully been crushed in the media from about 2013 onward.
Last offseason and going into the season -- do you really believe the general sentiment was more positive in the media for the Giants?
Like I said - you can argue he's been below average in signing FA's, but to look at his body of work and say you hate the guy takes a special type of stupid, but unfortunately a stupid that exists frequently on BBI.
I really get the impression sometimes that he's a 68 year old guy coming off a rookie season as a GM. That's the extent of how people talk about his past.
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brings out some really interesting trolls as well as the pack of contrarians.
It is one thing to disagree with some of his moves, especially some FA signings, but there have been posters who have literally said he gets no credit whatsoever. His really solid career gets very little respect. His time in Carolina gets shit on.
And he provokes some bizarre and terrible takes. One guy has been calling him DSG, for Dave Shithead Gettleman, since the day he was hired. Multiple posters say the hate the man. Not dislike him - but HATE him.
You'd swear that Gettleman is multitudes worse than Reese the way he's dragged around here.
At this point he certainly is not better than Reese
You consistently act like Gettleman has been GM for 1.5 years. And that he had no prior success in the league.
You do realize that you can trace the Giants plunge to mediocrity directly to Gettleman leaving and Ross getting promoted, right?
Gettleman and Ross a different roles in the organization. It's not like Ross took gettlemans job.
And I have acknowledge the good job he did in his first stent with the Giants, still he can't claim to superbowls as a GM to his resume
Do people forget who was the Giants head of pro personnel during those years? A guy named Dave Gettleman.
When/if he delivers a consistent winner, fans will think and speak of him more highly on BBI.
And he'll also be rewarded financially and reputationally in the real world too.
I hope he earns that, that will be good for the fans.
He also deserves a chance. One that 1.5 years doesn't really provide. But let's not sugar coat it - there were a lot of posters here bad mouthing him from Day 1, many simply because they didn't like the way he was hired, and nearly every move since then has been called poor by some.
And I would even argue that his resume would've bought him more credit if it were with another team. If he was with the Patriots, he'd be given a lot of rope. If he was Ozzie Newsome, he would too.
What's Dorsey's excuse then?
I spend too much time on here, and I can think of maybe 2 or 3 posters who go in circles to criticize Gettleman. Are there really a bunch of posters who hate him?
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Let's not make it seem like it is a rare occurrence that he's getting criticized. Or that it is just a couple of posters.
Exactly. Nobody's declaring his job as Giants GM a success yet...this thread is about all the external negativity focused on the Giants, and how much of it stems from a strange, irrational level of hate for him by a lot of fans and media people
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Let's not make it seem like it is a rare occurrence that he's getting criticized. Or that it is just a couple of posters.
I think the vast majority of that list are fair but critical, and maybe 1 or 2 are here to clearly stir up crap.
Again, Gettleman will get judged critically until he delivers a winner.
The previous GM chose the roster for a team with an 8 season stretch with no losing seasons, 5 playoff appearances, and 2 rings, and he's pretty regularly shit on -- it's a what have you done lately gig.
Are you guys really going to dispute the claim that if a team like the BRONCOS traded up for jones or took jones top 10 that it gets this same heat? Cmon now. Don’t play dumb.
Absofuckinlutely. Elway has been pilloried by the media for his QB evaluations at the college level. Seriously, are you feeling alright with this claim?
Whether it was Jints Central, or any other team, I would have said taking Jones anywhere in the first round was a reach. Hell, I was hoping another team would draft both him and Haskins so we wouldn't have to use one of our firsts on either...
He also deserves a chance. One that 1.5 years doesn't really provide. But let's not sugar coat it - there were a lot of posters here bad mouthing him from Day 1, many simply because they didn't like the way he was hired, and nearly every move since then has been called poor by some.
I've certainly criticized the hiring process because it was a complete sham. Once Accorsi was roped in it was the most fait accompli maybe ever at Jints Central.
The Reese departure was the perfect time to shake the foundation and get outside blood with a different perspective and approach. Instead, back into the box we went...
Do people forget who was the Giants head of pro personnel during those years? A guy named Dave Gettleman.
You were probably reminded of this by my post from a few weeks ago giving getts credit for those moves.
But I'm just some unhinged hater who will stop at nothing till I see gettleman fired.
Just a pretty dim bulb with a consistently contrarian take.
Getts is a mixed bag for me
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In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)
Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete
and then there are the trades
I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.
I will add that the draft
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Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.
So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.
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have done plenty to give the media/other teams ammo to make fun of them, the team has sucked for a while now.
That will change quickly though if Jones is a stud. Giants will have the last laugh if thats the case
True, but it really hasn’t become an issue until the Beckham trade + the Jones pick at 6. The national media became unhinged with those 2 moves.
This is exactly right. They took it to another level with those two moves. Unhinged is the right word to describe it.
Big no no's in today's pop/sports culture.
He did this while at the same time shipping out millenial superstar Prince Odell and drafted the boring, no personality kid from Duke.
All you need to know.
I think Eli is going to make it way harder than a lot of people think it will be to put Jones out there. I really do. I think he's going to play quite well. I don't know if the defense will hold enough for us to win consistently; and that might unfortunately cause Eli to ultimately lose his job... but I expect to see a rejuvenated Manning behind a much improved offensive line with an elite RB to take a lot of the burden off his shoulders.
I'm really looking forward to this season.
I've been in the room with both sides...IT IS HUGE!
Anyone suggesting that they don't matter has never been in the room.
Meh, no good deed goes unpunished.
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Plaxico Burress, Antonio Pierce, Kareem McKenzie, Shaun O’Hara, Antrell Rolle, Michael Boley, Kavika Mitchell, and a bunch of solid role player guys and beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl twice, despite Reese and Ross wasting draft picks on guys like Clint Sintim, Ramses Barden, Sinorice Moss, Marvin Austin, etc etc?
Do people forget who was the Giants head of pro personnel during those years? A guy named Dave Gettleman.
You were probably reminded of this by my post from a few weeks ago giving getts credit for those moves.
But I'm just some unhinged hater who will stop at nothing till I see gettleman fired.
Not intended as a reply to you directly (don’t recall your prior post), really a general comment about how a lot of people seem to either forget, or choose to discount, the good job DG has done building teams in his previous jobs.
We’re in agreement his Giants GM report card is incomplete, and that he misread the team could compete last year. Drafts look strong so far, but need to wait 3-4 years to pass final judgement on that.
My comments on this thread are really just around how many in the media and some fans seem to really hate him personally, and that’s driving the negative narrative about the Giants.
I don't see anywhere near the uproar and ridicule of the team like when Manning got benched, or Coughlin got fired.
Aside from this obvious trolls, the list of contrarians actually just seems like skeptics of a team that's put out a loser 5/6 last years. I am happy to be at the top of that list.
I don't see anywhere near the uproar and ridicule of the team like when Manning got benched, or Coughlin got fired.
Aside from this obvious trolls, the list of contrarians actually just seems like skeptics of a team that's put out a loser 5/6 last years. I am happy to be at the top of that list.
I can't recall the last time I saw a reaction to a draft pick like what happened with Daniel Jones. Can you? And what optimism? The pick was universally panned until Jones took the field and made everybody shut up about it for a little while.
Jets Draft Blunders - ( New Window )
Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete
Ron, do you think it's possible that Gettleman was using lip service in saying last years team could compete?
I certainly don't see an upside in coming out publicly and saying the team sucks.
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I must be reading much different media than some of you. This offseason has been a mix of criticism and optimism regarding Jones. And the reaction to the Beckham trade started with some shock and hyperbole, but as Beckham has shown to be a tot bag of dicks, the reaction has mellowed.
I don't see anywhere near the uproar and ridicule of the team like when Manning got benched, or Coughlin got fired.
Aside from this obvious trolls, the list of contrarians actually just seems like skeptics of a team that's put out a loser 5/6 last years. I am happy to be at the top of that list.
I can't recall the last time I saw a reaction to a draft pick like what happened with Daniel Jones. Can you? And what optimism? The pick was universally panned until Jones took the field and made everybody shut up about it for a little while.
Who's to say it's for a little while? Jones has played well in practice, it's translated to the field in pre-season, and the local and national media has covered his success plenty.
Google Daniel Jones right now, this is what I get after Mayfield's dipshit article.
- How Daniel Jones Can Really Stick it to Baker Mayfield
- Mike Francessa Calls Baker Mayfield Brainless After Daniel Jones Comments
- 3 Giants Players to Watch in 3rd Pre Season Game
Seems like a press that's well aware Mayfield is a dope and coming to Jones defense or focusing on football.
I think plenty of picks get panned right after the draft, and then things even out in reactions and coverage when guys get on the field. I think it literally happens every year to a team or two when they pick a QB.
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Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete
Ron, do you think it's possible that Gettleman was using lip service in saying last years team could compete?
I certainly don't see an upside in coming out publicly and saying the team sucks.
I'm basing that more on his actions, but his statements also factor into my opinion
Yes the media reaction has been over the top.
My personal opinion is I don't really care about all the personalities in sports commentary shouting hot takes. It Doesn't impact the results on the field.
choice to rebuild the team the crap he has taken
and fans as well screw them all The Barkley and Jones
picks the slaughtered both decisions and It looks like
he has proved them wrong on both ,
picks the slaughtered both decisions and It looks like
he has proved them wrong on both ,
Jones has proven something by playing well in meaningless exhibitions? Hoooo-k.
I can't recall the last time I saw a reaction to a draft pick like what happened with Daniel Jones. Can you?
Clelin Ferrell, drafted #4 by Raiders in 2019. Anytime a player is drafted much higher than anticipated the team gets laughed at. It's not unique to the Jones pick.
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Getts is a mixed bag for me
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In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)
Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete
and then there are the trades
I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.
I will add that the draft
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Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.
So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.
Any fan that rails against the GM because said GM “assessed that last year’s team could compete” is fucking weird. Sorry, it’s true. You’re not only blaming the GM for lip service but WTF do you expect any GM to say in that spot? “We’re gonna suck, everyone.”
You’re not alone, dozens of fans have bashed DG for this. And you’re all nuts for doing so.
I don't see anywhere near the uproar and ridicule of the team like when Manning got benched, or Coughlin got fired.
Aside from this obvious trolls, the list of contrarians actually just seems like skeptics of a team that's put out a loser 5/6 last years. I am happy to be at the top of that list.
You are missing something. We’re talking more about the immediate fallout from the jones pick and the overall perception of the offseason.
You will never convince me that the jones pick was fairly criticized or covered. It was downright brutal. Any fan that didn’t do his or her own homework was led to believe that the giants drafted Joseph Stalin to play qb.
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And I'd be happy to compare brainpans with you any time
Getts is a mixed bag for me
ron mexico : 7/27/2019 8:47 pm : link
In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)
Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete
and then there are the trades
I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.
I will add that the draft
ron mexico : 7/28/2019 5:26 pm : link
Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.
So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.
Any fan that rails against the GM because said GM “assessed that last year’s team could compete” is fucking weird. Sorry, it’s true. You’re not only blaming the GM for lip service but WTF do you expect any GM to say in that spot? “We’re gonna suck, everyone.”
You’re not alone, dozens of fans have bashed DG for this. And you’re all nuts for doing so.
Sigh
For the 10th time I'm talking about his actions not his words
Getts is a mixed bag for me
ron mexico : 7/27/2019 8:47 pm : link
In the positives:
Drafting looks very good (this is very dependent on Jones working out)
Negatives:
Free agent signings
The assessment that last years team could compete
and then there are the trades
I love the zeiter trade and I get the OBJ trade. It's way too early to make a call here.
I will add that the draft
ron mexico : 7/28/2019 5:26 pm : link
Is the most important part of team building, alongside picking the right HC.
So I'm glad it's that area he is doing well in.
Ron - good for you to quickly set the record straight as to this.
You want to get off those "lists" as soon as possible as you don't know what could happen next...
I think plenty of picks get panned right after the draft, and then things even out in reactions and coverage when guys get on the field. I think it literally happens every year to a team or two when they pick a QB.
Yep. But then this thread wouldn't work...