As far as I know Pat Shurmur is a highly regarded and respected coach in the NFL. He has worked under some of the games most innovative minds in Andy Reid and, yes even, Chip Kelly. Nick Foles' 27-2 TD to INT ratio, the Minneapolis Miracle, and I don't think Keenum, Diggs and Thielen would have been as productive in 2017 without the eventual Asst. Coach of the Year. It can't just be because of his 2 years in the dumpster fire that was Cleveland.
Like Kanell said above. You are what your record says you are.
Three years as a head coach is pretty decent sample size. I saw the way he managed games last year and thought he was below average. The Giants lost a bunch of close games last year and you have to wonder if one or two of the coach's decisions could ave made a difference.
He seems like a good guy and I'm rooting hard for him. Like everyone else in the organization, he needs to up his game and get better.
This. And what has he proven he's good at?
Why shouldn't Shurmur's qualifications be questioned until he has results to show for it?
To me it would be progress. he is in a tough situation right now with the QB situation. Most likely this is Eli's last year and then next year will be with a 1st year starter. Not likely there will be winning seasons but the team has to show progress. Just looking at preseason I see a lot of progress in the talent level, now we have to see it in games.
Jury is out on him still but I dont think you can judge him off of just win - loss record. I think last year he gets a C+ or a B- on overall coaching. Lots of room for improvement but not the worst we have seen.
There is a certain alchemy to putting together a winning team that's hard to put your finger on and is usually fleeting.
I guess that's just a complicated way of saying, I have no fucking clue if Pat will be good or not.
and you have a losing record as a qb and a qbr in the low 60's yet that enough for you to bash eli and mock the DJ pick?
if your going to question his credentials as a coach based on 2 years in cleveland and a rebuild your with the nyg maybe everyone here should question your ability to evaluate qb talent based on your career as a qb
The HC is there to win. That is really the only qualification that matters in the end.
Developing players is the job of assistants and coordinators.
You take the circumstances into account, but he has a lot to prove. Whatever success he had in Minnesota only tells you that he's a very good coordinator. It's not the same thing as being a good head coach.
They will probably hang in there with this stiff because they would look like real buffoons getting rid of him quickly after the debacle with McAdoo but I am not getting my hopes up.
You take the circumstances into account, but he has a lot to prove. Whatever success he had in Minnesota only tells you that he's a very good coordinator. It's not the same thing as being a good head coach.
He was in a no win situation in Cleveland. His starting QB's were Colt McCoy, Seneca Wallace, Brandon Weeden, and Thad Lewis. Now I am not suggesting he is a good HC but I am reserving judgement to see how he does over the next two years.
I was a fan of his hire because I expected the Giants to add a QB in round 1 last year and Shurmur has a proven track record of getting the most out of his QB's. Even if he isn't here for the long haul he will have a positive impact on Jones' development.
The jury is still out on him.
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would be out of some bizarre loyalty to the guy. Of course Cleveland counts. It's two years of his coaching career. It matters.
You take the circumstances into account, but he has a lot to prove. Whatever success he had in Minnesota only tells you that he's a very good coordinator. It's not the same thing as being a good head coach.
He was in a no win situation in Cleveland. His starting QB's were Colt McCoy, Seneca Wallace, Brandon Weeden, and Thad Lewis. Now I am not suggesting he is a good HC but I am reserving judgement to see how he does over the next two years.
Nothing you're saying is out of line, but as head coach, he does bear some responsibility for the QBs on his roster. It's not like he was a bystander. The head coach plays a role in roster building, so on some level at minimum, these are the players he felt he could make the best of.
I would have preferred Vrabel who would have fit the Giants coaching mold better, gritty, outsized personality, and force of Will.
I don't know if he's a top HC or not, but it's unfair imo to judge him by his record if considered in isolation.