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shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/20/2019 6:09 pm
Has anyone else finished watching the second season yet?

With the exception of Tench's kid storyline, I thought it was excellent, although not as good as the first season. The Atlanta case is heartbreaking in that politics, race, and history fucked up a complete and thorough investigation of the murders of children.

Interesting how everything they think they know about serial killers doesn't apply to the BTK killer and in some ways Wayne Williams. Ford should've listened to Ed Kemper and not be so myopic.
You should listen to the Podcast  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/20/2019 7:49 pm : link
Atlanta Monster. Tells the story of the Atlanta murders.
Yeah it was great  
Tony in Tampa : 8/21/2019 8:16 am : link
I think even better than S1 and I loved S1. Trying to wait a few weeks to rewatch S2 since it will probably be a couple yrs before we see a S3 (assuming that Netflix doesn't cancel it as it does with so many good shows) and I don't want to wear out S2.
Good show.  
Walt in MD : 8/21/2019 8:39 am : link
They could break this up Law and Order style and make a couple of shows out of it. There are plenty of cases out there they could use. Same FBI Office, different teams with specific focuses.
They kind of turned Wendy into a bitch  
Greg from LI : 8/21/2019 9:02 am : link
Not sure why. How she handled things with her girlfriend made her pretty unsympathetic.
Love this season so far  
BIG FRED 1973 : 8/21/2019 9:20 am : link
iam up to 6 ,The guy who played David Berkowitz nailed it
They do well with their killer portrayals  
Greg from LI : 8/21/2019 9:32 am : link
Berkowitz was dead on. The guy who played Manson nailed the look and did reasonably well with the voice, too. I've never heard Wayne Williams speak but the actor certainly looked just like him.
RE: They do well with their killer portrayals  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/21/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14537905 Greg from LI said:
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Berkowitz was dead on. The guy who played Manson nailed the look and did reasonably well with the voice, too. I've never heard Wayne Williams speak but the actor certainly looked just like him.


He was very close to the real deal too. Wayne Williams gets interviewed in the Atlanta Monster podcast and he sounds the same. The way they depicted his capture on the podcast was spot on in the show including exactly what Wayne said when he was caught.
and the guy playing Kemper looks just like him, too  
Greg from LI : 8/21/2019 9:55 am : link
Again, never heard Ed Kemper speak though.
Greg ...  
Beezer : 8/21/2019 10:05 am : link
It's pretty damn good.
The real Ed Kemper - ( New Window )
Shockeyisthebest  
Tony in Tampa : 8/22/2019 8:08 am : link
A word about Tench's kid. It was an awkward twist in the story and a lot of critics are nailing the show for it. I would have preferred they stayed with his sons issues from S1 where he almost seem to be suffering from what we now know as autism. Perhaps a story line where the kids acts out violently in school and maybe accidentally harms another student.

Having the kid be involved in a bizarre, apparently ritualistic murder when his dad investigates bizarre ritualistic murders was a bit too spot on.

That said the impact it has on Tench and trying to resolve family issues and the Atlanta investigation/FBI politics, along with the great performance by the actress who plays his wife that he unwittingly abandons to deal with their son and neighborhood scorn, I thought was excellent. Of course you have to move to a new town. She was spot on and he was totally clueless living in his job.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/22/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14538987 Tony in Tampa said:
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A word about Tench's kid. It was an awkward twist in the story and a lot of critics are nailing the show for it. I would have preferred they stayed with his sons issues from S1 where he almost seem to be suffering from what we now know as autism. Perhaps a story line where the kids acts out violently in school and maybe accidentally harms another student.

Having the kid be involved in a bizarre, apparently ritualistic murder when his dad investigates bizarre ritualistic murders was a bit too spot on.

That said the impact it has on Tench and trying to resolve family issues and the Atlanta investigation/FBI politics, along with the great performance by the actress who plays his wife that he unwittingly abandons to deal with their son and neighborhood scorn, I thought was excellent. Of course you have to move to a new town. She was spot on and he was totally clueless living in his job.


I really think they did this to show it can happen to anyone or any family. BTK for instance had a reasonable childhood. He’s been on record stating that he was on a date when he heard about a death by strangling over the radio and he was very arroused by it and that’s how he started the obsession and eventually became a serial killer.

That being said we have no clue if Brian is actually a serial killer or if he did exactly what he did because he was abused before he was adopted or even scared from finding the pictures of dead bodies that Tench brought home.

They did a great job of blurring the lines. Was Brian stalking that girl on the swings or did he simply know children his age were avoiding him. Cause of what happened? If it’s the later how does that affect him.

It will be interesting to see where it goes in season 3. Do they get back together. Does Brian do other serial killer things, but because Tench isn’t there the mom doesn’t notice it. I think Tench thinks Brian could be a serial killer but he isn’t sure yet. Signs are pointing to yet, but it is far from confirmed.
I think it's still very clear that Brian is autistic  
Greg from LI : 8/22/2019 11:06 am : link
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RE: I think it's still very clear that Brian is autistic  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/22/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14539164 Greg from LI said:
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I think that’s very possible, and wouldn’t be surprised if that was the case. He does seem to be interested in death as well as the only time he has perked up and said something was discussing the death of something.

They blurred the lines enough that I wouldn’t be surprised which way they took the character and I think Fincher did a great directing it so we can think about it either way.
I think they're just trying to show that Bill is afraid of what the  
Greg from LI : 8/22/2019 11:20 am : link
kid is. Given everything they've learned about killers, he's worried that Brian is an embryonic killer.

I could do without the storyline of Brian being involved in the baby's death, but I get where they're going with it.
RE: I think they're just trying to show that Bill is afraid of what the  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/22/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14539183 Greg from LI said:
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kid is. Given everything they've learned about killers, he's worried that Brian is an embryonic killer.

I could do without the storyline of Brian being involved in the baby's death, but I get where they're going with it.


100% agree. I’m just saying right now they could go either way with the character and they did a good job making it so we are not surprised if it is either or.
What’s everyone’s opinion on Wayne Williams  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/22/2019 11:58 am : link
And did anyone catch Wayne taking pictures in at crime scene in episode 6?
RE: What’s everyone’s opinion on Wayne Williams  
Tony in Tampa : 8/22/2019 12:52 pm : link
In comment 14539259 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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And did anyone catch Wayne taking pictures in at crime scene in episode 6?

I thought it was a great depiction of an overly confident psychopath who sees the people that he murders as deserving death because they are either poor or were prostitutes and the act allowed him to deal with his own homosexuality.

What I thought was very interesting was the Atlanta FBI agent-Barney findings at the end that there were potentially other pedophiles at that Red house and that they were not just looking at White children. The pictures of the Black children had been removed from evidence. Was this an effort by some official to pin all the murders on Williams? It reinforces the doubt in the case since even as of today Williams has only been charged with 2 or 3 of the murders and the cases on the other children have been closed. Could there have been other participants in those murders?
One other thing on Tench’s kid  
Tony in Tampa : 8/22/2019 2:06 pm : link
Real brutal honesty in two separate scenes showing Bill and his wife acknowledging that they are somewhat relieved the boy was adopted and did not “come from their bodies”. As if doing so would absolve them from the evil that he was part of. Almost like a cursed soul, they convince themselves that the evil must have been inherent to his birth parents or something that happened to him before they adopted him. They kind of thing you might think of about someone you love who has gotten into trouble, but rarely admit to yourself or dare say out loud.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/22/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14539365 Tony in Tampa said:
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And did anyone catch Wayne taking pictures in at crime scene in episode 6?


I thought it was a great depiction of an overly confident psychopath who sees the people that he murders as deserving death because they are either poor or were prostitutes and the act allowed him to deal with his own homosexuality.

What I thought was very interesting was the Atlanta FBI agent-Barney findings at the end that there were potentially other pedophiles at that Red house and that they were not just looking at White children. The pictures of the Black children had been removed from evidence. Was this an effort by some official to pin all the murders on Williams? It reinforces the doubt in the case since even as of today Williams has only been charged with 2 or 3 of the murders and the cases on the other children have been closed. Could there have been other participants in those murders?


I didn't catch Williams at the murder scene. Shit, they should just let Kemper join the team.

As for the missing evidence, I think that was more about the fact there was a widespread systemic breakdown in completely and thoroughly investigating the case by all parties involved. There was politics, possible Klan connections in the Atlanta PD, police cover-ups, bureaucracy, myopia in the FBI, lack of trust in the community, press leaks as well as a bunch of other problems. That ends with Wayne Williams perhaps not being the murderer of all of these children and other likely killers being allowed to get off scot-free because the case wasn't investigated thoroughly. (They might not have been connected to Williams in any way or just used his crimes to cover up their own.)

Despite the FBI being of great help, this is still a relatively new, imperfect science and it didn't even catch Williams. Basic police work did. And even if the science gets better, it's still must battle against all of these outside factors.
As for Tench's kid, there have been some good points  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/22/2019 4:47 pm : link
made in the thread. I just think it was too "on the nose". There had to be a better way for the show to question inborn evil rather than to make the kid witness/party to a toddler's death in a way that mirrors some of the stuff Tench has dealt with.
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