I was not able to see the game, but I just watched the clips of every Daniel Jones touch from the game. It's interesting to watch these plays AFTER I've read what everyone on BBI had to say about each one (speaking which, I'm pretty sure there has been at least one thread if not more started about every single Daniel Jones play thus far this preseason, when this guy actually takes over the starting reins I wouldn't be surprised if there's a new thread started every time he takes a shit, but I digress). Anyway, here are my thoughts:
--As I've seen many people say, DJ did not take any snaps under center in college, so there is really no surprise that despite going through training camp he dropped a snap when the bullets actually started flying in live game action. I am not concerned that this suddenly means he is going to be a chronic snap fumbler for his entire career. Also, having played QB myself in high school, I believe that the center is always partially at fault in any instance where there is a botched snap (the snap under center is always a 2-man job).
--Regarding the 2nd fumble: I've seen a lot of people express concern about this one as well and allude to the fact that turnovers may be a problem for this kid. I just wanted to mention that the first thing I thought of was Baker Mayfield's very first drive against the Jets (or may have been his 2nd drive) I believe he fumbled the ball the very first time he was sacked in a game. Troy Aikman made the point that this is part of the transition from college to pros for a QB, because 1) the defenders are so much faster in the NFL and you're used to being able to outrun all the D-Lineman in college but can't in the NFL, and 2) defenders always go for the strip sack in the NFL, they have the talent, body control, and awareness to always try to force the fumble every time they get to the QB, and this is not the case with college defenders. I have no doubt that basic ball security issues can get ironed out, especially considering he is known to have a great work ethic and terrific attention to detail in improving his mechanics.
--The throw to Golden Tate on the sideline that one-hopped, I've seen people say this indicates he has a noodle arm. I don't see how that can be what you logically come away with from watching that play. If he had thrown the ball and due to lack of velocity the DB was able to jump the route and pick it off, I could see that MAYBE being cause for concern for a weak arm, but just because he one-hopped it? So you're saying that he doesn't have the arm strength to deliver the ball to a receiver 15 yards away? When he threw a pass earlier in the game that went like 40 yards downfield? It's not like he threw the ball with all his might and it only went 10 yards, that's stupid. Clearly he either was throwing it away or the ball just slipped out of his hand and it was just a shank of a throw. It said nothing about his arm strength.
Overall it looked like he played a pretty decent game to me and any problems he may have had were fixable issues. I will also admit that I did not like the pick at #6 when it happened, but of course am 100% onboard and hoping for the best now that it's in the past, and being the homer that I am I was quick to jump on the DJ bandwagon after the performance against the Jets that will no doubt garner him HOF consideration in the future ;)
OK that's all, thanks for reading if you made it this far.
Only concern coming out of the Chicago game was obviously the ball security. Taking the ball from under center, and opening himself up to swats and pokes from pass rushers. He'll fix that over time.
One thing we haven't seen from him at all his ability to run, as the O-Line has held up extremely well in front of him and he's been able to have time to throw. I honestly don't think he's left the pocket once in a few possessions. I'd like to see how he does with this, opening him up to running a few RPO type packages this season at some point.
No one but you knows this. What a ridiculous argument by the "pessimist". Everyone knows this but if you don't understand that there are certain things that are transferable and you just can't fake I can't help you.
It does not matter who was on the field. Did he recognize the coverage, make the right call and were the passes to the right receiver in the correct location? That is all that matters. On top of that, he is a rookie.
Yep, so its a god thing we played Barkley, Engram, and Shepard to make our offense look good then
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It does not matter who was on the field. Did he recognize the coverage, make the right call and were the passes to the right receiver in the correct location? That is all that matters. On top of that, he is a rookie.
It doesn't matter who's on the field? Since when, if Mack is breathing down his neck and he makes a play then color me impressed, until then I'll take it as promising but that's all.
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No one but you knows this. What a ridiculous argument by the "pessimist". Everyone knows this but if you don't understand that there are certain things that are transferable and you just can't fake I can't help you.
If it's a ridiculous argument(but true)then why didn't you refute it, all you did was attack me.
He has not played one snap with Saquon Barkley or Sterling Shepard. I don't believe he's played with Engram, either. He also took about half his snaps with the 2nd team offensive line.
So, if we're going to keep discrediting him for the players he's doing it against, then we also need to acknowledge the players he's doing it without.
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played mostly backups...preseason
It does not matter who was on the field. Did he recognize the coverage, make the right call and were the passes to the right receiver in the correct location? That is all that matters. On top of that, he is a rookie.
It doesn't matter who's on the field? Since when, if Mack is breathing down his neck and he makes a play then color me impressed, until then I'll take it as promising but that's all.
Bullshit. And what if Barkley is in there and Engram and the whole 1st team line. Can do a lot of what ifs..
What did Mack do last year when they played? He was missing most of the game and I think he got one sack late.
And again, he played who was in front of him on equal terms.
What was the point of the post?
All people were saying was that Jones looks sharp and better than predicted, except for the fumbles.
If he looked terrible people on BBI would say he was a bust. But if he looks good - it's just preseason.
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It's preseason. People that make any conclusions on his talent at this point are kidding themselves. I hope he dominates, but the action he's seen is nothing compared to regular season NFL football.
If he looked terrible people on BBI would say he was a bust. But if he looks good - it's just preseason.
Yep.
It would be a major deal if he looked bad... here, in the media... you better believe it.
But, since he's playing well... welp, it's just preseason and we can't take anything away from it.
Funny how that works.
The problem with this line of thinking is that it attributes Leaf's failure to his talent which is far from the truth. Leaf was a head case who alienated his teammates and coaches and had a horrible work ethic. I think we can all agree Jones is none of that.
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It's preseason. People that make any conclusions on his talent at this point are kidding themselves. I hope he dominates, but the action he's seen is nothing compared to regular season NFL football.
If he looked terrible people on BBI would say he was a bust. But if he looks good - it's just preseason.
Nonsense. I'm not "people", I'm just me. And I would say it's just preseason, whether he performed poorly or perfectly, and preseason means nothing.
Surely you can observe elite athleticism skills in preseason, but that's not what we're talking here.
For what it's worth, Daniel Jones' play should be a confidence builder, and obviously it's nice to see him play well rather than poorly. But if anyone says that based on what he's done thus far he will be a good starting QB in the NFL, they are kidding themselves.
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It's preseason. People that make any conclusions on his talent at this point are kidding themselves. I hope he dominates, but the action he's seen is nothing compared to regular season NFL football.
If he looked terrible people on BBI would say he was a bust. But if he looks good - it's just preseason.
Nonsense. I'm not "people", I'm just me. And I would say it's just preseason, whether he performed poorly or perfectly, and preseason means nothing.
Surely you can observe elite athleticism skills in preseason, but that's not what we're talking here.
For what it's worth, Daniel Jones' play should be a confidence builder, and obviously it's nice to see him play well rather than poorly. But if anyone says that based on what he's done thus far he will be a good starting QB in the NFL, they are kidding themselves.
I didn't say 'you', I said 'people' - as in it's how BBI works, when a high draft pick looks bad people would complain. And there is no doubt in my mind that when Jones struggles he will be called a bust on BBI.
None of us knows for certain if he will be a good QB in the NFL. But he has shown certain traits that are very encouraging - most notably his ability to read the field, get the ball to WRs on the run, and a nice touch on his passes.
And preseason doesn't mean nothing. For the past several years, the Giants' OL has looked terrible in the preseason and it has carried over to the regular season.
Leaf is a perfect example of how what is between the ears matters far more than athletic talent. I'll never forget watching him live in the 1998 Rose Bowl, and his talent was undeniable. But of course I knew nothing about him beyond what I saw on the field. The Chargers seemed to make that same mistake.
Meanwhile, the backup Michigan QB from that game is the GOAT in the NFL.
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It's preseason. People that make any conclusions on his talent at this point are kidding themselves. I hope he dominates, but the action he's seen is nothing compared to regular season NFL football.
If he looked terrible people on BBI would say he was a bust. But if he looks good - it's just preseason.
Nonsense. I'm not "people", I'm just me. And I would say it's just preseason, whether he performed poorly or perfectly, and preseason means nothing.
Surely you can observe elite athleticism skills in preseason, but that's not what we're talking here.
For what it's worth, Daniel Jones' play should be a confidence builder, and obviously it's nice to see him play well rather than poorly. But if anyone says that based on what he's done thus far he will be a good starting QB in the NFL, they are kidding themselves.
I didn't say 'you', I said 'people' - as in it's how BBI works, when a high draft pick looks bad people would complain. And there is no doubt in my mind that when Jones struggles he will be called a bust on BBI.
None of us knows for certain if he will be a good QB in the NFL. But he has shown certain traits that are very encouraging - most notably his ability to read the field, get the ball to WRs on the run, and a nice touch on his passes.
And preseason doesn't mean nothing. For the past several years, the Giants' OL has looked terrible in the preseason and it has carried over to the regular season.
Your comment was in direct response to mine, and you quoted me.
I don't think we'll know exactly what Daniel Jones is in terms of an NFL QB until late 2020 at the earliest. Perhaps we'll know sooner, but transforming from college QB to good NFL QB is a process. Most QB's take at least a full season to complete that process. That's all I'm saying, so it isn't fair or realistic to judge him as anything at this point.
You don't have to go back 20 years.
Just go back to last year and people calling Lauletta a bust after his first preseason action. The moratorium on it just being preseason never seemed to materialize.....
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when people get so crazy over a couple of drives that they attack someone for stating a fact. Again I said he looks promising but it's...just...preseason...calm down.
All people were saying was that Jones looks sharp and better than predicted, except for the fumbles.
If they were just saying that I would agree but people are saying that he's good already, highly accurate with great composure and is going to lead the giants into a consistent contender. You just can't say that with any degree of surety at this point.
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when people get so crazy over a couple of drives that they attack someone for stating a fact. Again I said he looks promising but it's...just...preseason...calm down.
All people were saying was that Jones looks sharp and better than predicted, except for the fumbles.
If they were just saying that I would agree but people are saying that he's good already, highly accurate with great composure and is going to lead the giants into a consistent contender. You just can't say that with any degree of surety at this point.
What a gross exaggeration of the reaction around here. You know people would have a far more dramatic negative reaction if Jones was 8-19 with 0 TD's and 2 int's so far.
Some of us are inspired by what we have seen but we know it's preseason and it should be treated as such. My main concern with Jones was his arm strength and that has looked better than expected. Arm strength is one of the few things you can evaluate in the preseason. While I like Jones' upside and I am excited about his performance thus far I need to see how he performs when it matters before I make a judgement on the type of player he is.
Jones is making quality throws. That matters. Ball placement has nothing to do with whether the CB is a bench player. A hod throw is a good throw.
You can argue whether he'd have the same throw if it was against a first-string pass rush, but that's a separate issue. All you want to see at this point is what he's capable of.
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when people get so crazy over a couple of drives that they attack someone for stating a fact. Again I said he looks promising but it's...just...preseason...calm down.
All people were saying was that Jones looks sharp and better than predicted, except for the fumbles.
If they were just saying that I would agree but people are saying that he's good already, highly accurate with great composure and is going to lead the giants into a consistent contender. You just can't say that with any degree of surety at this point.
What a gross exaggeration of the reaction around here. You know people would have a far more dramatic negative reaction if Jones was 8-19 with 0 TD's and 2 int's so far.
Some of us are inspired by what we have seen but we know it's preseason and it should be treated as such. My main concern with Jones was his arm strength and that has looked better than expected. Arm strength is one of the few things you can evaluate in the preseason. While I like Jones' upside and I am excited about his performance thus far I need to see how he performs when it matters before I make a judgement on the type of player he is.
How can it be a “gross exaggeration” when that’s a direct quote from several posters, but I guess I made that up.
How can it be a “gross exaggeration” when that’s a direct quote from several posters, but I guess I made that up.
Please show me some where people are guaranteeing that he is going to make us a "consistent contender."
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How can it be a “gross exaggeration” when that’s a direct quote from several posters, but I guess I made that up.
Please show me some where people are guaranteeing that he is going to make us a "consistent contender."
Now you’re just being annoying, I never said “guaranteed” and if you read the second post below the OP there you have it I am done.
If he looked terrible people on BBI would say he was a bust. But if he looks good - it's just preseason.
A poor outing against backups (largely), with a very scripted one-read offensive plan, would absolutely sound alarms. And rightfully so.
Kudos to Jones for executing. But he's essentially playing a game that's akin to batting practice. So he should succeed. So we should all feel good about that...
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No one but you knows this. What a ridiculous argument by the "pessimist". Everyone knows this but if you don't understand that there are certain things that are transferable and you just can't fake I can't help you.
If it's a ridiculous argument(but true)then why didn't you refute it, all you did was attack me.
I had pessimist in quotes meant to put realist. There's nothing to refute. He played against backups, but he played an NFL game, he made the throws he needed to make. You don't just stop being accurate because the backups are in for the other team. Ball placement and accuracy are transferable and can't be faked. On top of that as was stated he was playing without his top 3 weapons on a team that many consider on the lower end of skill to begin with. You bringing this up like what you said is some insight is laughable.
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played mostly backups...preseason
No one but you knows this. What a ridiculous argument by the "pessimist". Everyone knows this but if you don't understand that there are certain things that are transferable and you just can't fake I can't help you.
If it's a ridiculous argument(but true)then why didn't you refute it, all you did was attack me.
I had pessimist in quotes meant to put realist. There's nothing to refute. He played against backups, but he played an NFL game, he made the throws he needed to make. You don't just stop being accurate because the backups are in for the other team. Ball placement and accuracy are transferable and can't be faked. On top of that as was stated he was playing without his top 3 weapons on a team that many consider on the lower end of skill to begin with. You bringing this up like what you said is some insight is laughable.
Don’t see where I claimed to have some “insight”! But since you keep trying to make this an insult barrage it is just not something I am interested in.
He has not played one snap with Saquon Barkley or Sterling Shepard. I don't believe he's played with Engram, either. He also took about half his snaps with the 2nd team offensive line.
So, if we're going to keep discrediting him for the players he's doing it against, then we also need to acknowledge the players he's doing it without.
This is spot on and something I’ve been saying...and no he hasn’t played a down with Engram.
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If he looked terrible people on BBI would say he was a bust. But if he looks good - it's just preseason.
A poor outing against backups (largely), with a very scripted one-read offensive plan, would absolutely sound alarms. And rightfully so.
Kudos to Jones for executing. But he's essentially playing a game that's akin to batting practice. So he should succeed. So we should all feel good about that...
I get that it's preseason, but batting practice? It's not as if the defenders aren't trying to tackle him and cover the WRs.
To those that say we can't garner anyting from what we have seen of Jones in the preseason are wrong.
I can see that he can place the ball with touch, accuracy and timing. His first two preseason games have look better than anyone the Giants have drafted a QB in over a decade. I know that's not bad. Jones throws a nice deep ball. He has to prove he can do all these things repetitively with consistency. That is why no one is making definitive proclamations. I guess in a nutshell, I'm saying, take your miserable fucking attitude and shove it up your goddamn ass and let's be happy about something for a couple minutes for fucksake
The one hopped pass was clearly DJ throwing it away it wasn’t there and he dumped it. Probably be better to launch it out of bounds though.
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It's preseason. People that make any conclusions on his talent at this point are kidding themselves. I hope he dominates, but the action he's seen is nothing compared to regular season NFL football.
If he looked terrible people on BBI would say he was a bust. But if he looks good - it's just preseason.
Spot on
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Yea every QB in the league could have a 150 passer rating every week, they just choose not to
If he looked terrible people on BBI would say he was a bust. But if he looks good - it's just preseason.
A poor outing against backups (largely), with a very scripted one-read offensive plan, would absolutely sound alarms. And rightfully so.
Kudos to Jones for executing. But he's essentially playing a game that's akin to batting practice. So he should succeed. So we should all feel good about that...