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ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 4:42 pm
Mets Lineup

Amed Rosario SS
Joe Panik 2B
Pete Alonso 1B
Michael Conforto RF
Wilson Ramos C
J.D. Davis LF
Todd Frazier 3B
Juan Lagares CF
Marcus Stroman P

Indians Lineup

Francisco Lindor SS
Greg Allen CF
Carlos Santana 1B
Yasiel Puig RF
Jose Ramirez 3B
Jason Kipnis 2B
Roberto Perez C
Tyler Naquin LF
Adam Plutko P

I’m amazed with so many hitters out all year how well our offense is still doing (Cespedes, McNeil, Smith, Nimmo, Lowrie, Cano). Mets are second in wRC+ only to the Dodgers in the NL. That’s pretty incredible. Getting Davis back was a huge boost. Nimmo, McNeil, and Lowrie seem to be returning shortly. Our pitching is third in the league in ERA, FIP, and WAR. A top 3 pitching staff and top 3 offense can do massive damage in a postseason. Let’s keep winning. LFGM!
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pjcas18 : 8/21/2019 5:00 pm : link
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Jeff McNeil (strained left hamstring) indicated he is uninhibited in his on-field activity.

Yesterday, McNeil ran the bases. Today, he fielded grounders at second and took BP with the rest of the team.

No decision yet on a rehab assignment, but McNeil said, “I feel good.”
Was really hoping McNeil  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 5:06 pm : link
Wouldn’t need a rehab assignment at all. If he’s only facing the minimum 10 days I’d expect him to still be fairly sharp. Would be great if he could be in the lineup Saturday.
Agree ZG  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2019 5:22 pm : link
but I'd hope they are cautious with McNeil - you know if he comes back and tweaks it the backlash will be ferocious.

Every game is a playoff game at this point, but it's not quite do or die yet.

RE: Agree ZG  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 5:32 pm : link
In comment 14538501 pjcas18 said:
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but I'd hope they are cautious with McNeil - you know if he comes back and tweaks it the backlash will be ferocious.

Every game is a playoff game at this point, but it's not quite do or die yet.


For sure. He needs to be healthy. I just would rather him taking 4 atbats in the major than 4 atbats in the minors.
Good news on Cano  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 5:33 pm : link
On top of taking batting practice already, he is expected to start running on Thursday. He is now expected back much sooner than his original timeframe.
'Good news on Cano'...  
Torrag : 8/21/2019 5:36 pm : link
The crap season he was having I'm not so eagerly awaiting his return. He looks pretty much cooked out there.
RE: 'Good news on Cano'...  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 5:37 pm : link
In comment 14538510 Torrag said:
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The crap season he was having I'm not so eagerly awaiting his return. He looks pretty much cooked out there.


Not a huge sample but .900 OPS in the second half.
Oh baby.  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 5:38 pm : link
1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Rosario SS
3.) McNeil 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Conforto RF
6.) Davis LF
7.) Cano 2B
8.) Ramos C
Cano  
KDubbs : 8/21/2019 5:40 pm : link
Was 9 for 15 I believe once August hit and he looked like his swing was coming around
RE: Good news on Cano  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14538508 ZGiants98 said:
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On top of taking batting practice already, he is expected to start running on Thursday. He is now expected back much sooner than his original timeframe.


Cano "start running" lol. that will be a first.

I hope Cano resurrects his season  
Torrag : 8/21/2019 5:46 pm : link
He's been a second half player in recent years. That said it's just as likely that the injury derails the very short term improvement he had displayed. We'll see. Obviously he's going to play so let's hope for the best.
RE: RE: Good news on Cano  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 5:47 pm : link
In comment 14538517 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 14538508 ZGiants98 said:


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On top of taking batting practice already, he is expected to start running on Thursday. He is now expected back much sooner than his original timeframe.



Cano "start running" lol. that will be a first.


Good one. ;)
RE: I hope Cano resurrects his season  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14538519 Torrag said:
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He's been a second half player in recent years. That said it's just as likely that the injury derails the very short term improvement he had displayed. We'll see. Obviously he's going to play so let's hope for the best.


I think he's going to be a big game player in the bright lights. Bat him low in the order (around 7th) and I bet if we get in the postseason he has some big hits for us.

Plus, its only strengthening our bench. Lowrie, Frazier, Panik, Lagares, R. Davis, and probably Dom too is going to start looking really good.
RE: Oh baby.  
gmenatlarge : 8/21/2019 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14538514 ZGiants98 said:
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1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Rosario SS
3.) McNeil 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Conforto RF
6.) Davis LF
7.) Cano 2B
8.) Ramos C


At this point I am happy with Lagares startingi in center, he’s hitting and a better fielder, but Nimmo would provide some depth.
RE: RE: Oh baby.  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14538525 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 14538514 ZGiants98 said:


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1.) Nimmo CF
2.) Rosario SS
3.) McNeil 3B
4.) Alonso 1B
5.) Conforto RF
6.) Davis LF
7.) Cano 2B
8.) Ramos C



At this point I am happy with Lagares startingi in center, he’s hitting and a better fielder, but Nimmo would provide some depth.


Nimmo was a 4.5 WAR player last year and one of the best players in the NL. He needs to start if he's healthy. I do think they go to their victory formation with any lead though from about the 6th on. They can rotate Davis, Nimmo, and Conforto with who comes out and it still will give Lagares plenty of play.
They need to take an honest look at players like Nimmo and Cano  
Ira : 8/21/2019 5:59 pm : link
who haven't done much at the plate before they went on injured reserve and sit them if they are pulling their weight.
RE: They need to take an honest look at players like Nimmo and Cano  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14538535 Ira said:
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who haven't done much at the plate before they went on injured reserve and sit them if they are pulling their weight.


Nimmo had a .851 OPS at the time he injured his neck. He should have been IL'd right away rather than trying to play through it.
Just got blasted by a thunderstorm  
Rob in Rockaway : 8/21/2019 6:30 pm : link
in South Queens. Not sure what if any effect that will have on start time. Warning in effect for downstate until 9PM.
If Cano comes back the only player he can put on the bench is Frazier  
Eric on Li : 8/21/2019 6:39 pm : link
anyone else and it would be a crime. Also he cannot hit higher than 5th until he earns that spot. Period.
My fellow Mets fans  
Vanzetti : 8/21/2019 7:04 pm : link
Are you getting that sense this team can do something special?

Since the break Mets are number 1 in pitching and number 4 in run production—despite a plethora of injuries and despite Diaz and Familia grossly underperforming.

Assuming JD and Rosario are for real, and assuming Nimmo and Lowrie at a minimum come back, I don’t see any team that has more talent than the Mets

RE: My fellow Mets fans  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2019 7:07 pm : link
In comment 14538585 Vanzetti said:
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Are you getting that sense this team can do something special?

Since the break Mets are number 1 in pitching and number 4 in run production—despite a plethora of injuries and despite Diaz and Familia grossly underperforming.

Assuming JD and Rosario are for real, and assuming Nimmo and Lowrie at a minimum come back, I don’t see any team that has more talent than the Mets


Yes, but not if Diaz and Familia grossly underperform down the stretch.

Can't rely on Justin Wilson and Lugo only (plus spare parts) down the stretch.
And btw  
Vanzetti : 8/21/2019 7:08 pm : link
How awesome is it that I used “plethora” in my post?
they could do something special  
Eric on Li : 8/21/2019 7:08 pm : link
if they didn't have someone special calling the shots in the dugout.

My biggest concerns right now are the BP usage and the lineup decisions in terms of how these healthy vets get phased in. Rosario, Alonso, JDD, Mcneil, and Conforto are the biggest reasons for the turnaround. They took it to another level the second they became the daily top 4-5 of the lineup. The defensive downgrade of re-inserting Cano at 2B is scary enough, if he becomes an anchor in the middle of the lineup again that could be a disaster. Have to reward performance and not play favorites. Even Lagares, he has played so well in CF I wouldn't be so quick to pull him out right now. Frazier + Panik too.
RE: My fellow Mets fans  
gmenatlarge : 8/21/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14538585 Vanzetti said:
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Are you getting that sense this team can do something special?

Since the break Mets are number 1 in pitching and number 4 in run production—despite a plethora of injuries and despite Diaz and Familia grossly underperforming.

Assuming JD and Rosario are for real, and assuming Nimmo and Lowrie at a minimum come back, I don’t see any team that has more talent than the Mets


Definitely feel something happening for this team, question is...what do you do with Diaz?
Mickey'd  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 7:23 pm : link
Avilan:
vs. LHB: .067/.152/.100 against with a 10/3 K/BB ratio
vs. RHB: .383/.464/.533 against with a 11/6 (+3 HBP) K/BB ratio

Yet Mickey still uses him as a low leverage one inning pitcher. He is an outstanding LOOGY but he's still not being used that way.
RE: RE: My fellow Mets fans  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14538596 gmenatlarge said:
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In comment 14538585 Vanzetti said:


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Are you getting that sense this team can do something special?

Since the break Mets are number 1 in pitching and number 4 in run production—despite a plethora of injuries and despite Diaz and Familia grossly underperforming.

Assuming JD and Rosario are for real, and assuming Nimmo and Lowrie at a minimum come back, I don’t see any team that has more talent than the Mets




Definitely feel something happening for this team, question is...what do you do with Diaz?


What do we have to do with Diaz? He has three more years of control and will be 25 next year. Let him work on his slider in the offseason and try it again next year. In the postseason we will have Wheeler, Matz, Diaz, Familia, Wilson, Brach, and Lugo all as good options to choose from...
Plutko looks like a gas can  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 7:32 pm : link
We better light him up tonight.
RE: RE: RE: My fellow Mets fans  
gmenatlarge : 8/21/2019 7:47 pm : link
In comment 14538610 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 14538596 gmenatlarge said:


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In comment 14538585 Vanzetti said:


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Are you getting that sense this team can do something special?

Since the break Mets are number 1 in pitching and number 4 in run production—despite a plethora of injuries and despite Diaz and Familia grossly underperforming.

Assuming JD and Rosario are for real, and assuming Nimmo and Lowrie at a minimum come back, I don’t see any team that has more talent than the Mets




Definitely feel something happening for this team, question is...what do you do with Diaz?



What do we have to do with Diaz? He has three more years of control and will be 25 next year. Let him work on his slider in the offseason and try it again next year. In the postseason we will have Wheeler, Matz, Diaz, Familia, Wilson, Brach, and Lugo all as good options to choose from...


Talking about right now! He can’t close right now.
This guy  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2019 7:50 pm : link
is getting away with hanging some curves.
Cabrera killing it for the Nats  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 8:00 pm : link
Too bad he felt so spurned by the Mets.
Stroman pretty average for the Mets so far  
gmenatlarge : 8/21/2019 8:02 pm : link
They just flashed a stat that lefties are hitting .469 against him since he came over, not good to say the least.
Ugh Frazier had him at home...  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 8:03 pm : link
Dont agree with that.
If he came in on it maybe  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2019 8:05 pm : link
once he backed up I think he gave up the run.

Stroman has been giving up some solid contact.
The Indians are one of the best teams in baseball  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 8:11 pm : link
And their lineup has been raging hot. Stroman doesnt appear to have his best stuff but holding them to 1 run over 3 is still good. Every time deGrom doesnt have his best stuff he gets commended for "battling".

Stroman also hasn't had the easiest go of it schedule wise for us. He's faced the Nats, Braves, and Indians so far over 4 games.
Im going to be really pissed off  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 8:15 pm : link
If we dont start pounding Plutko. Guy completely sucks.
Great...  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 8:26 pm : link
Stroman coming out... Maybe a blister?
is it a blister?  
CMicks3110 : 8/21/2019 8:31 pm : link
was that confirmed?
Stro has a hammy  
ChaChing : 8/21/2019 8:34 pm : link
L hammy tightness per SNY crew
Szapucki  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2019 8:44 pm : link
6 IP, 5H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3K's 77 pitches

maybe his longest outing of the year (duration)
Tie game  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2019 8:45 pm : link
Lagares double, Frazier running.
Lagares is raking  
ChaChing : 8/21/2019 8:45 pm : link
awesome
Good for Lagares  
Chris684 : 8/21/2019 8:46 pm : link
Guy has stepped up big time with McNeil out.
Guillorme  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2019 8:47 pm : link
gives the mets the lead
Haha. Nice!  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 8:47 pm : link
Luis!
L.F.G.M.  
ChaChing : 8/21/2019 8:48 pm : link
!!!
Really has become  
Rory : 8/21/2019 8:50 pm : link
A fun team to watch

#LGFM!!!
Hopefully he only misses one start  
bhill410 : 8/21/2019 8:50 pm : link
But who the hell do you pitch? Lockett? The pitching depth is deplorable. That Vargas trade for 2 million dollars really looks short sighted right about now
RE: Hopefully he only misses one start  
Rory : 8/21/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14538680 bhill410 said:
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But who the hell do you pitch? Lockett? The pitching depth is deplorable. That Vargas trade for 2 million dollars really looks short sighted right about now


Ervin Santana would be my choice
RE: Hopefully he only misses one start  
ZGiants98 : 8/21/2019 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14538680 bhill410 said:
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But who the hell do you pitch? Lockett? The pitching depth is deplorable. That Vargas trade for 2 million dollars really looks short sighted right about now


I didn't like giving Vargas away for nothing, but Lockett looked good in his last spot start. I think Oswalt pitched 7 scoreless in Syracuse in his last start. Plus we still have Ervin Santana. Not going to get much better than that for AAAA depth.
I'd go with my gut  
pjcas18 : 8/21/2019 8:54 pm : link
and give Santana the start if they need to.

But with an off day, if he even has to miss a start they don't actually have to even use a 5th starter.

However, Corey Oswalt has been REALLY good since mid-July.

I just don't trust him.
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