he played run stuffing DT at a level I've not seen it played very often. He was impossible to get around at times. He was always an excellent player for us on the field but I trust DG to evaluate what was going on in the locker room and make the right call.
is one of those guys who has done his job very well, but you still come away wondering how great is his impact. While he is a premier run stopper, and run stoppers are valued, he is off the field on 3rd down and in his career he's been to the playoffs one time (the 2016 Giants).
I don't mind guys who put their nose down and go about their business, but I've never really cared for the "I'm not a leader" attitude. To me, that isn't keeping one's nose down - it is actively taking a non-leadership role. And that type of behavior is what leads to friction. And he's had several confrontations with teammates.
At his age and limited snap count, I think we were wise to move from him
usage with the Giants his a part time player and his snaps were dwindling.
last 5 games with the Giants
51% of the snaps
52% of the snaps
53% of the snaps
42% of the snaps
46% of the snaps
2017: 58% of the snaps
2016: 60% of the snaps
Doesn't look like his usage in DET was drastically different. Maybe that's what a premier run stuffer costs (and I still think that's what he is), but sounds like a lot for a ~2 down player.
Run stoppers are a really hard position to address value. You want the guy to be a big, lane clogging, type -- but that size and wear keeps the guy off the field in other scenarios.
If all goes right, you want him to average out 2/3 of defensive snaps -- that would indicate 1/3 of the time the offense is in an obvious passing situation.
It's definitely bordering on a specialist position, probably as valuable as a 2 down LB. The extension seems like it's actually dropping his yearly cap hit and spreading guaranteed money. If he costs about 7M a year at ages 30, 31, 32 - that seems pretty fair.
I think that's fair to both the player and the team Â
when you consider the limited # of snaps...But, he does do his one job well. There was certainly a big impact on our run D after he was traded. DET has a few ex-giants I think - and guys like Kennard and Okwara did well there last year.
That said, it's probably the right move for a team that is rebuilding to get out from some of the contracts we did. And hopefully replaced these guys with younger, improving players on smaller contracts.
moving on from him wasn't purely about money anyway Â
we've had a good run of drafting good DT talent and they clearly wanted to get away from the older, disgruntled players that were potentially infecting the culture of the team.
Sometimes trades work out for both parties, this seems like one of them.
I'm quite happy with our front now with Lawrence, Tomlinson and Hill. Snacks played well here and he is a top notch run clogger - but it's also true that he's a 2 down player, his knees aren't going to get any healthier, and he's probably seen his best days.
Detroit will get something out of him for sure - he was solid for them after we sent him there, IIRC... but I'm more than okay with the move and what we have now instead. Cheaper, younger, and some bigger upside.
RE: moving on from him wasn't purely about money anyway Â
we've had a good run of drafting good DT talent and they clearly wanted to get away from the older, disgruntled players that were potentially infecting the culture of the team.
Sometimes trades work out for both parties, this seems like one of them.
Tend to think this is the right sentiment. Obviously difficult to measure how much the disgruntlement came into decision to shed him, but there were clearly warning signals as to Snacks' attitudes.
Shame because as a fan, there was a stretch of time there that Snacks was one of the guys you really enjoyed watching on the field...
The more time goes by with the Gettleman/Shurmur regime, the more Â
I don't mind guys who put their nose down and go about their business, but I've never really cared for the "I'm not a leader" attitude. To me, that isn't keeping one's nose down - it is actively taking a non-leadership role. And that type of behavior is what leads to friction. And he's had several confrontations with teammates.
At his age and limited snap count, I think we were wise to move from him
last 5 games with the Giants
51% of the snaps
52% of the snaps
53% of the snaps
42% of the snaps
46% of the snaps
2017: 58% of the snaps
2016: 60% of the snaps
Doesn't look like his usage in DET was drastically different. Maybe that's what a premier run stuffer costs (and I still think that's what he is), but sounds like a lot for a ~2 down player.
If all goes right, you want him to average out 2/3 of defensive snaps -- that would indicate 1/3 of the time the offense is in an obvious passing situation.
It's definitely bordering on a specialist position, probably as valuable as a 2 down LB. The extension seems like it's actually dropping his yearly cap hit and spreading guaranteed money. If he costs about 7M a year at ages 30, 31, 32 - that seems pretty fair.
That said, it's probably the right move for a team that is rebuilding to get out from some of the contracts we did. And hopefully replaced these guys with younger, improving players on smaller contracts.
Sometimes trades work out for both parties, this seems like one of them.
Detroit will get something out of him for sure - he was solid for them after we sent him there, IIRC... but I'm more than okay with the move and what we have now instead. Cheaper, younger, and some bigger upside.
Sometimes trades work out for both parties, this seems like one of them.
Tend to think this is the right sentiment. Obviously difficult to measure how much the disgruntlement came into decision to shed him, but there were clearly warning signals as to Snacks' attitudes.
Shame because as a fan, there was a stretch of time there that Snacks was one of the guys you really enjoyed watching on the field...