“The one thing that I’ve always stated is that if Eli Manning has a quality offensive line then he’ll be a successful quarterback,” Gilbride said. “ When we were successful and won those Super Bowls and were near the top of the league offensively, it’s usually when we had an effective offensive line that allowed him to do the things that he does best. Which is, get everybody in a good position, recognize what’s happening defensively, and throw the ball accurately the right person and then keep the defense off the field. He’s always done that when he had the sufficient protection.
“Now, people get upset [and say] ‘Well, he can’t do this’ and ‘He can’t do that.’ … He’s never — from the day he got there — solved problems with his feet,” he added. “It’s always been with his brain and his arm. I think it looks like, and you never know until the season starts, but from what I can tell, It looks like they’ve shored up the offensive line and it looks like if that has happened, I expect him to have a good year.” |
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
There are plenty of QBs with bad brains and bad arms.
And of the ones with good brains and arms, there are very few that can make both work with two minutes left in a Super Bowl. To out of hand dismiss Kilbride's comments is just wrong.
The Tyree catch was in 2011?
you wrote about the 2011 line, and now you're talking about the 2007 OL. To Kevin's point, they played much better than what Eli has been stuck with over the last 5 years.
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feet." That's a very interesting quote. I'm a long way from being an expert, so I'd like to hear what others have to say about that.
I think you might be reading it the wrong way. KG is not saying Eli has problems with his footwork; he's saying he's never been the type of athlete that can use his feet to get out of a jam. He's always used his brain and his arm to make plays, not his feet.
Except for possibly the greatest play in Giants history?
Yes, that's fair, but it's hardly the norm. Eli has never been the type of QB that consistently escaped trouble with his feet a la Roethlisberger or Rodgers (not even considering guys who are legitimate threats as scramblers). He's had good pocket awareness and the ability to step/slide, but that's not the same as using his feet as his escape mechanism rather than his brains and arm.
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
But as Kirwan said about that unit..."two vets on the outside who knew just how much to hold and get away with it"
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
But the breakdown was much more in the run game. The pass blocking held up reasonably well.
As an aside, with the run-blocking in decline, and both Jacobs and Bradshaw slowing up, I believe David Wilson was a natural selection at the end of Round One in the 2012 Draft.
I also think this O-Line is the best O-Line we've seen with the Giants in a long time. We've been having a pre-season like we haven't had since 2008, a year the Offense came into pre-season with confidence and was steamrolling through the NFL until Plax went down.
I want to see an Offensive in steady production, and Eli has done it. I really don't care if Jones has to sit on the bench if the Giants are able to play really good football with Eli.
Jones will get his time. It will come. Anyone who thinks that Jones has to play because we are wasting Barkley is blowing smoke out their rears in my opinion.
WTF! Eli playing winning football is something that's been a pleasure to watch, and by the way -- it's been done before. Two all time greats sat on their hands and waited patiently for Montana and Favre to finish playing. Would you really send either of those two into the wings just to play their backup just for the sake of it? And did it make any difference to those teams that that happened? Hell No!!! Watching Montana play (even though he was the enemy) was a thing of beauty while it lasted. Favre too.
Eli's time is limited due to football being a not for long sport, but if management and the coaches think he can still produce winning football, I say you go with the train in the station that's ready to pull out and take you there. As much as I like Jones, and I like him a lot, he's not proved anything quite like Eli has yet.
So far all the haters and doubters have piled it on to Gettleman and Eli. All Gettleman and Shurmur have done is frikken transform this team into something exciting. I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt!!!
Go Giants!!!
Way to crap on a guy who helped this team get to two SBs and I suppose you know better than him, laughable
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
Light years ahead of what they've thrown out there recently though.
And, Eli knew where the problem spots were and could compensate.
These lines.....the leak could be anywhere, anytime.
I also think this O-Line is the best O-Line we've seen with the Giants in a long time. We've been having a pre-season like we haven't had since 2008, a year the Offense came into pre-season with confidence and was steamrolling through the NFL until Plax went down.
I want to see an Offensive in steady production, and Eli has done it. I really don't care if Jones has to sit on the bench if the Giants are able to play really good football with Eli.
Jones will get his time. It will come. Anyone who thinks that Jones has to play because we are wasting Barkley is blowing smoke out their rears in my opinion.
WTF! Eli playing winning football is something that's been a pleasure to watch, and by the way -- it's been done before. Two all time greats sat on their hands and waited patiently for Montana and Favre to finish playing. Would you really send either of those two into the wings just to play their backup just for the sake of it? And did it make any difference to those teams that that happened? Hell No!!! Watching Montana play (even though he was the enemy) was a thing of beauty while it lasted. Favre too.
Eli's time is limited due to football being a not for long sport, but if management and the coaches think he can still produce winning football, I say you go with the train in the station that's ready to pull out and take you there. As much as I like Jones, and I like him a lot, he's not proved anything quite like Eli has yet.
So far all the haters and doubters have piled it on to Gettleman and Eli. All Gettleman and Shurmur have done is frikken transform this team into something exciting. I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt!!!
Go Giants!!!
There is always excitement in the off-season. Even in the preseason if the disastrous 2017 campaign, many thought they’d continue to have success building off of the 2016 playoffs. McAdoo had a halo effect from his first season as head coach.
Gettleman and Shurmur have transformed the team. The proof will be when the real games begin. Given the Giants recent history skepticism and doubt are valid feelings
Rinse/ Repeat...
Is this the year?
Classic...the point is they have had a shit OL over that time frame hell last year was 1st time they had a 1000 yard rusher since 2012...
Agree that he doesn’t need a perfect Oline or even a great one. But Flowers, Hart, etc were horrible. I also remember a bunch of journeymen tight ends and running backs at that time. In hindsight (and pointless to wonder now), I wonder if the Giants should have kept Coughlin and Gilbride, and fired Jerry Reese and Marc Ross.
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
My thought as well, the OL was pretty terrible in '11. Not that PFF is the be-all, end-all, but they had the Giants OL rated last in pass pro. And the rushing attack sucked all year, I think it was last in the league?
Eli Manning was sacked 28 times that year, good for 20th in the league in sacks.
Let's not pretend he was busting off first down runs left and right when things broke down. He can still move in the pocket and demonstrated that last year (when it wasn't a jailbreak in the 1st 8 games).
2018: 31 sacks (in the fist 8 games).
2018: 31 sacks (in the fist 8 games).
Eli is a big reason for both those numbers. 2011 he stood in a lot more and moved around the pocket better. The 2011 line was really bad and it was a testament to Eli that year.
Dave Diehl currently could probably buy Eli more time than Ereck Flowers.
Over the last few years the pressure has been coming from everywhere.
Dave Diehl currently could probably buy Eli more time than Ereck Flowers.
You really are just a fucking trainwreck.
He’s a troll at this point.
Eli Manning was sacked 28 times that year, good for 20th in the league in sacks.
This is spot on. Their run production picked up somewhat in the last few games of year and then in the playoffs. Not materially but enough to be a difference maker in making them a very tough Offense to deal with since the passing game was already clicking.
The line sucked the past couple of years. Worse than 2011. That's the point.
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They just had lost the physical ability to be a good run blocking line.
Eli Manning was sacked 28 times that year, good for 20th in the league in sacks.
This is spot on. Their run production picked up somewhat in the last few games of year and then in the playoffs. Not materially but enough to be a difference maker in making them a very tough Offense to deal with since the passing game was already clicking.
Thank you. That was my only point when comparing.
Eli Manning was sacked 28 times that year, good for 20th in the league in sacks.
Let's not pretend he was busting off first down runs left and right when things broke down. He can still move in the pocket and demonstrated that last year (when it wasn't a jailbreak in the 1st 8 games).
He was also good on rollouts last year, which I don't recall him doing it, at least with any regularity.
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me -- I want to see some good football out of this offense -- I want to enjoy watching Giants football -- it would be wonderful if what Gillbride says is true and I'm not going to discount it.
I also think this O-Line is the best O-Line we've seen with the Giants in a long time. We've been having a pre-season like we haven't had since 2008, a year the Offense came into pre-season with confidence and was steamrolling through the NFL until Plax went down.
I want to see an Offensive in steady production, and Eli has done it. I really don't care if Jones has to sit on the bench if the Giants are able to play really good football with Eli.
Jones will get his time. It will come. Anyone who thinks that Jones has to play because we are wasting Barkley is blowing smoke out their rears in my opinion.
WTF! Eli playing winning football is something that's been a pleasure to watch, and by the way -- it's been done before. Two all time greats sat on their hands and waited patiently for Montana and Favre to finish playing. Would you really send either of those two into the wings just to play their backup just for the sake of it? And did it make any difference to those teams that that happened? Hell No!!! Watching Montana play (even though he was the enemy) was a thing of beauty while it lasted. Favre too.
Eli's time is limited due to football being a not for long sport, but if management and the coaches think he can still produce winning football, I say you go with the train in the station that's ready to pull out and take you there. As much as I like Jones, and I like him a lot, he's not proved anything quite like Eli has yet.
So far all the haters and doubters have piled it on to Gettleman and Eli. All Gettleman and Shurmur have done is frikken transform this team into something exciting. I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt!!!
Go Giants!!!
There is always excitement in the off-season. Even in the preseason if the disastrous 2017 campaign, many thought they’d continue to have success building off of the 2016 playoffs. McAdoo had a halo effect from his first season as head coach.
Gettleman and Shurmur have transformed the team. The proof will be when the real games begin. Given the Giants recent history skepticism and doubt are valid feelings
The way that offense played the back 9, and embarrassingly losing to a relatively mediocre GB + Brandon Marshall did not have me excited at all.
That offense had numerous late game heroics lead by Manning just to even qualify for the postseason. Who could forget Romo overthrowing a wide open Miles Austin to help set the stage for an amazing offensive comeback.
The line sucked the past couple of years. Worse than 2011. That's the point.
If you go back in these forums, I pointed to the Zeitler trade as being huge. His attitude, work ethic and professionalism is infectious. The OL is going to be better than average and that is going to translate into success for Eli. If it doesn't, the fans will be screaming for Jones and people will get their wish. Total yards from scrimmage record for SB and a better year than last year for Eli, at least 10% better, likely more.
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lets not get crazy the offense was not that good. The question is what QB is best to lead the Giants now? Eli is not that same guy period that was 8 years ago. Gillbride needs to go back to sleep. Not really but its a long tome ago.
Says who? Some people in the know think Eli is the same guy. And the evidence supports that belief if you look close enough.
How is Eli posting normal or even good stats the last 7 years despite a shit show OL if he’s not the same guy?
I must be taking crazy pills.
Same "some people in the know" that just took a QB at #6 in the draft a few months ago?
I don't think the decision makers think Eli is the same guy. They may think he's still good enough, and that he's still legitimately an NFL franchise QB, but you don't take a QB at #6 overall if you believe that your current QB is still the same guy.
And while the back of his card shows fairly consistent statistical output, his peripherals are showing the kind of decline that you'd expect an athlete in his late 30's to have.
So, do the crazy pills make you crazy or medicate your craziness?
Right, the fact that Eli is 38 had nothing to do with the jones pick.
If Eli was shot he wouldn’t be starting here anymore. He’s probably lost a slight bit on his fastball and ability to process things but he’s still a viable option at qb. And gilbride echoes this. So do most people associated with the game or connected in some way. Guys like Gio can talk all the shit they want, they are worthless to me.
Whether he’s EXACTLY the same guy isn’t the point, let’s agree he’s not, what I can’t tolerate is fans saying Eli is SHOT. How is a guy shot if he’s posting pedestrian numbers within the confines of a dysfunctional offense?
Ho-hum.
Can’t lead a horse to drink. If Eli had a functional team here the last 7 years, and by functional I mean OK, he’d have 2-3-4 more playoff appearances and possible another ring.
The evidence is right there in front of you.
Can’t lead a horse to drink. If Eli had a functional team here the last 7 years, and by functional I mean OK, he’d have 2-3-4 more playoff appearances and possible another ring.
The evidence is right there in front of you.
Where?
I'm not sure what Steelers team you're watching...
Also curious about all these posters who claim that anyone can be a good QB behind a good offensive line. That’s just not true.
Gilbride had his warts, but he’s got two Lombardi’s and knows a thing or two about the game. I hope his right.
2008- Dominant run blocking line and above average pass blocking. I believe they led league in rushing.
2009-20015 (exclude 2011) I don't remember the pass blocking being horrible. The big difference and it continued to deteriorate was the ability to run consistently. That and losing NICKS and Cruz was catastrophic.
2011 was barely adequate pass blocking and they ran more to keep balance but not with great results. Eli and I thought at the end of the season and playoffs were the best WR trio in the league.
2016-present. Horrible pass blocking and run blocking.
Overall, I think it shows that with a good line and one that is capable of above average running in addition to solid pass blocking Eli will be a very good QB.
The inability to run effectively is really the biggest issue. Play action is best utilized in favorable down and distance where the defense has to respect both run and pass. It really opens things up but you have to be consistent and not run for 0, minus 1, 0, 2 and then a 60 yard run somewhere in the game. We need those 4-6 yards on first down consistently for Eli to shine imv.