“The one thing that I’ve always stated is that if Eli Manning has a quality offensive line then he’ll be a successful quarterback,” Gilbride said. “ When we were successful and won those Super Bowls and were near the top of the league offensively, it’s usually when we had an effective offensive line that allowed him to do the things that he does best. Which is, get everybody in a good position, recognize what’s happening defensively, and throw the ball accurately the right person and then keep the defense off the field. He’s always done that when he had the sufficient protection.
“Now, people get upset [and say] ‘Well, he can’t do this’ and ‘He can’t do that.’ … He’s never — from the day he got there — solved problems with his feet,” he added. “It’s always been with his brain and his arm. I think it looks like, and you never know until the season starts, but from what I can tell, It looks like they’ve shored up the offensive line and it looks like if that has happened, I expect him to have a good year.” |
I wonder how it would play out next season if Manning lands in the top ten in important qb statistics while the giants contend for the playoffs. It would be somewhat difficult to toss Manning aside after a very good year.
I don't think that's a coincidence.
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
I wonder how it would play out next season if Manning lands in the top ten in important qb statistics while the giants contend for the playoffs. It would be somewhat difficult to toss Manning aside after a very good year.
That would be a good problem to have.
Lets hope this OL finally puts it together
Rinse/ Repeat...
Is this the year?
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
Gilbride's memory seems to have a tendency to remember things in a way that are most favorable to Gilbride.
Almost any QB looks great when they have protection, we know Eli can make all the throws but will he make the right throws if he has time or will he panic and dump it off?
I want to see winning football and if through the early part of the season Eli is not getting the ball downfield we need to make the switch to DJ. He doesn't give us the best chance to win probably this year but the more time he gets the better year 2 will be.
Says who? Some people in the know think Eli is the same guy. And the evidence supports that belief if you look close enough.
How is Eli posting normal or even good stats the last 7 years despite a shit show OL if he’s not the same guy?
I must be taking crazy pills.
Eli didn't make plays with his feet, per se, but he did just enough with his legs to create that extra 0.5-1.5 secs for a good read and throw.
Histrionically He had POCKET FLUIDITY - he lost that the last few years. This is why I think he showed up to camp so much lighter...
I think you might be reading it the wrong way. KG is not saying Eli has problems with his footwork; he's saying he's never been the type of athlete that can use his feet to get out of a jam. He's always used his brain and his arm to make plays, not his feet.
Rinse/ Repeat...
Is this the year?
Again, I don’t get it.....So Eli wasn’t good in 2014-2015? He wasn’t effective for over half of last season? And where is this good OL since 2012?
Crazy pills
Read above. Plenty of "experts" here apparently. I'd be surprised if Eli didn't have a good year. Hell, he had a decent year last year and people are ready to throw throw him in the trash. Rivers getting extended, no replacement for Ben of Brady. All about the same age or older than Eli. I expect him to play 3 or 4 more years with a decent team in front of him. Where he plays is the question.
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lets not get crazy the offense was not that good. The question is what QB is best to lead the Giants now? Eli is not that same guy period that was 8 years ago. Gillbride needs to go back to sleep. Not really but its a long tome ago.
Says who? Some people in the know think Eli is the same guy. And the evidence supports that belief if you look close enough.
How is Eli posting normal or even good stats the last 7 years despite a shit show OL if he’s not the same guy?
I must be taking crazy pills.
Same "some people in the know" that just took a QB at #6 in the draft a few months ago?
I don't think the decision makers think Eli is the same guy. They may think he's still good enough, and that he's still legitimately an NFL franchise QB, but you don't take a QB at #6 overall if you believe that your current QB is still the same guy.
And while the back of his card shows fairly consistent statistical output, his peripherals are showing the kind of decline that you'd expect an athlete in his late 30's to have.
So, do the crazy pills make you crazy or medicate your craziness?
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is true for all quarterbacks, especially immobile ones.
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
Gilbride's memory seems to have a tendency to remember things in a way that are most favorable to Gilbride.
Would agree relative to Gilbride.
Clearly Eli, just like any experienced QB, will perform at a higher level if his Oline is better so that part is undoubtedly true.
However, the question remains has his own game deteriorated enough that we will not see measurable improvement by him due to a better O-line. Also, will his in-game throwing decisions be different knowing this is first time he really had QB competition, feels some pressure to make things happen and not go silent into the night.
My view is we will get a very similar Eli that we have seen in the last few years...a few good games, a few average games and a few bad games. And uneven play within the halves of games as well.
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feet." That's a very interesting quote. I'm a long way from being an expert, so I'd like to hear what others have to say about that.
I think you might be reading it the wrong way. KG is not saying Eli has problems with his footwork; he's saying he's never been the type of athlete that can use his feet to get out of a jam. He's always used his brain and his arm to make plays, not his feet.
Except for possibly the greatest play in Giants history?
I love Eli, I'll always love Eli. In a football fan way. NTTAWWT.
I think this year will be difficult to watch for fans who have an emotional attachment to Eli. He is the last Giant for me. Once he leaves they're all just numbers to me.
I hope Jones does well and has a great career. In this tiny sample size since the draft it's very obvious on and off the field why the Mara's wanted him to be their next QB.
I think Jones should play sooner rather than later. He's the future and this roster is a long way from from being serious contenders. The clock is already ticking on Barkley's prime too. So the quicker Jones gets up to speed the better chance the Giants have to make Barkley's prime meaningful.
Hopefully the Mara's stay somewhat out of the way and let the football realities play out as they should. 3 out of the first 4 games are against teams at the Giants level in 2018. Games 5 and 6 are the Vikings and the Pats. If the Giants are under .500 after those 6 games it's time to see Jones if not sooner.
I love Eli, I'll always love Eli. In a football fan way. NTTAWWT.
I think this year will be difficult to watch for fans who have an emotional attachment to Eli. He is the last Giant for me. Once he leaves they're all just numbers to me.
I hope Jones does well and has a great career. In this tiny sample size since the draft it's very obvious on and off the field why the Mara's wanted him to be their next QB.
I think Jones should play sooner rather than later. He's the future and this roster is a long way from from being serious contenders. The clock is already ticking on Barkley's prime too. So the quicker Jones gets up to speed the better chance the Giants have to make Barkley's prime meaningful.
Hopefully the Mara's stay somewhat out of the way and let the football realities play out as they should. 3 out of the first 4 games are against teams at the Giants level in 2018. Games 5 and 6 are the Vikings and the Pats. If the Giants are under .500 after those 6 games it's time to see Jones if not sooner.
Gilbride took a lot of shit here and at the end was positioned as a fall guy. I often thought we would miss him when he was gone, and not much has changed my view on that. He's probably been wondering what the fuck we've been doing for the past several years too.
A poster above stated Eli should be pulled if he's failing to connect on down field throws and settling for dumpoffs early on. I disagree. The line will likely be better but it will still take time to build continuity. I anticipate the short passing game to remain prevalent early. The veteran QB takes the check downs, minimizes TOs, and plays complimentary football. With a young defense, there's no need to unnecessarily put them in poor field position and/or upside down TOP.
The goal is to be playing your best ball by season's end. It's very possible that it'll still take a few to several games before the line allows for the downfield passing game to blossom, just like last year.
I'm excited by the rookie also, but I can be patient while the staff builds this team's confidence and identity early on with the veteran.
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
While it was beginning to break down, I still hold the belief that because Eli still had trust in them to do the job is why the offense played so well.
MacKenzie was on fumes that season
The KC model has been mentioned more than once, a play off quarterback was let go for the young guy.
Unfortunate though it may be, Eli s reign with the Giants will probably not end with any clear sign that it s time to move on.
For this generation of Giants fans it will be similar to the Simms situation where guys like me were not ready to move on.
The 2014 and 2015 lines were average to adequate and Manning really shined. Especially 2015, that wasn't a really bad line at all.
What the Giants haven't been able to do is build a group that's consistently played together for more than a year.
Consistency is the key - look how really representative the line that played the last 8 games together was last year. There was absolutely nothing bad about the group in any way.
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
they played a lot better in the playoffs
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
There are plenty of QBs with bad brains and bad arms.
And of the ones with good brains and arms, there are very few that can make both work with two minutes left in a Super Bowl. To out of hand dismiss Kilbride's comments is just wrong.
The Tyree catch was in 2011?
you wrote about the 2011 line, and now you're talking about the 2007 OL. To Kevin's point, they played much better than what Eli has been stuck with over the last 5 years.
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feet." That's a very interesting quote. I'm a long way from being an expert, so I'd like to hear what others have to say about that.
I think you might be reading it the wrong way. KG is not saying Eli has problems with his footwork; he's saying he's never been the type of athlete that can use his feet to get out of a jam. He's always used his brain and his arm to make plays, not his feet.
Except for possibly the greatest play in Giants history?
Yes, that's fair, but it's hardly the norm. Eli has never been the type of QB that consistently escaped trouble with his feet a la Roethlisberger or Rodgers (not even considering guys who are legitimate threats as scramblers). He's had good pocket awareness and the ability to step/slide, but that's not the same as using his feet as his escape mechanism rather than his brains and arm.
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
But as Kirwan said about that unit..."two vets on the outside who knew just how much to hold and get away with it"
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
But the breakdown was much more in the run game. The pass blocking held up reasonably well.
As an aside, with the run-blocking in decline, and both Jacobs and Bradshaw slowing up, I believe David Wilson was a natural selection at the end of Round One in the 2012 Draft.
I also think this O-Line is the best O-Line we've seen with the Giants in a long time. We've been having a pre-season like we haven't had since 2008, a year the Offense came into pre-season with confidence and was steamrolling through the NFL until Plax went down.
I want to see an Offensive in steady production, and Eli has done it. I really don't care if Jones has to sit on the bench if the Giants are able to play really good football with Eli.
Jones will get his time. It will come. Anyone who thinks that Jones has to play because we are wasting Barkley is blowing smoke out their rears in my opinion.
WTF! Eli playing winning football is something that's been a pleasure to watch, and by the way -- it's been done before. Two all time greats sat on their hands and waited patiently for Montana and Favre to finish playing. Would you really send either of those two into the wings just to play their backup just for the sake of it? And did it make any difference to those teams that that happened? Hell No!!! Watching Montana play (even though he was the enemy) was a thing of beauty while it lasted. Favre too.
Eli's time is limited due to football being a not for long sport, but if management and the coaches think he can still produce winning football, I say you go with the train in the station that's ready to pull out and take you there. As much as I like Jones, and I like him a lot, he's not proved anything quite like Eli has yet.
So far all the haters and doubters have piled it on to Gettleman and Eli. All Gettleman and Shurmur have done is frikken transform this team into something exciting. I think they deserve the benefit of the doubt!!!
Go Giants!!!
Way to crap on a guy who helped this team get to two SBs and I suppose you know better than him, laughable
That said, Gilbride's memory of the 2011 is a bit hazy. That line was beginning to break down, especially at the tackle spots.
Light years ahead of what they've thrown out there recently though.
And, Eli knew where the problem spots were and could compensate.
These lines.....the leak could be anywhere, anytime.