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NFT: Mets fans: Seriously, what to do about Cano?

Beezer : 8/22/2019 9:44 am
Bypassing the obvious concerns and debates over the acquisition in the off-season, here we are. Might be over the top a bit, but isnít the collective gut that Joe Panik was a better get? Career comparisons, there are none. But on THIS team? Panik seems the better fit.

Is it a foregone conclusion that the Mets will have to just ride the wave and deal with this guy and the contract? What would the implications be of just cutting him loose? And is a certain time for that better than another? I highly doubt theyíd be able to make a trade. Or could they? I really donít know if thatís even the remotest of possibilities.

Iíd been thinking about this subject for some time. Watching the team rejoice last night after JDís walk-off and Peteís second de-shirting - just great great fun - you can pick it up in the highlight reel, thereís Cano slowly walking across the infield, nowhere near the celebration. Maybe Iím reading too much, but it left a bad taste.

What are your thoughts on Cano and this resurgent, suddenly fun baseball team?
Although some of the moves BVW are starting to pan out  
figgy2989 : 8/22/2019 9:51 am : link
He will always be judged on that Cano/Diaz deal and rightfully so.

Maybe Cano can give Ellsbury a call to see if he needs any company on wherever the hell he's been hiding.

If Cano is all about the money, he can disappear and still get paid, the Wilpons can collect the insurance money they won't reinvest back into to the team. Sounds like a win win?
To be fair...  
Metnut : 8/22/2019 9:51 am : link
the good play/streak did start when Cano was tearing the cover off of the ball for a week. The Mets might have to cut him loose at some point, but he'll be given a few more opportunities to see what he has left.
Panik is hitting .340 and playing good D - so you take Cano very slow  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2019 10:01 am : link
In fact, when McNeil gets healthy Frazier should probably be the guy he replaces in the lineup since he's hitting under .200 since the ASB. His D has been good like Panik and he's obviously had some big hits, so maybe they just rotate Mcneil in both spots (3b/2b).

Cano is going to be trickier to re-insert but in all likelihood Panik will not be hitting .300 forever.

How they re-insert the veterans is a legitimate worry though. The lineup took off the moment they got Cano out of the 3/4 spot. And the upgrade over him on D has been noticeable too.
Cano  
Mike in NY : 8/22/2019 10:07 am : link
Panik has caught some fire, but his track record tells us this is not sustainable. That being said, he is a better option than Tejada off the bench. Cano was doing well when he got hurt again. I do not see the need to rush him back, but when he does I think you have McNeil spelling him and Frazier more than you ordinarily would (basically McNeil plays everyday alternating between 2B and 3B). If you want Cano or Frazier to play a little more frequently than everyday you can play McNeil in RF and Conforto in CF to give Nimmo breaks if he needs it or have Cano or Frazier get reps from time to time at 1B as Alonso is likely to hit a wall at some point because of this season being the longest he has ever played.
It's really a good problem to have  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2019 10:11 am : link
I'm not overrating Panik on one week of games, but the one thing I saw him do that I think could provide valuable versatility and keep him around is the bunt.

First off, I wouldn't bunt after a leadoff double down a run, a single gets the run home. Sure a sac fly would from 3rd, but that gives you just one out to play with.

Anyway, it worked out so all's well that ends well.

But to my point, Mets trying to sacrifice this year (pitchers and position players) seem like they've failed far too often.

So someone with Panik's positional versatility, who is not a black hole with the bat, and can handle the fundamentals like bunting makes a perfect role player.

Ideally Cano gets playing time, excels, and forces his way into the lineup relegating Panik to the bench role he should have.

But he's a nice fall back.

And Guillorme is also a unsung hero from last night. Maybe the Mets best defensive infielder also showing he can hit (at least occasionally).

It should be Cano as starting 2B until he plays himself out of the job, but lots of other options if he does.
The worst thing Calloway can do  
Earl the goat : 8/22/2019 10:14 am : link
Is put this guy back in the lineup batting third fourth or fifth
The Mets have a lot of tough decisions coming up  
gmen9892 : 8/22/2019 10:15 am : link
Especially when Cano and Lowrie come back. Nimmo can platoon with Lagares in CF, but with the way Lagares has been playing over the last month, even that is a tougher decision than it originally seemed.

For the long-term view of Cano, 3B will be an open spot next year with Frazier gone, so Davis and Lowrie can get the majority of the time there. McNeil gets LF.

The Mets have to hope that Cano has a big enough first half so that they can maybe find a way to trade him at the deadline, but even that would be tough with 3.5 more years left on his contract. The Mets would have to eat a ton of the money left, and they probably wont do that.
Panic was a perfect get for this team at the time he was released  
GiantBlue : 8/22/2019 10:27 am : link
But it is clear that Cano is an important dugout and clubhouse presence; a good citizen.

It's a shame that if he feels his career is over or coming to an end....he could become a coach with a re-negotiated contract. My fear is he will become the next David Wright...basically sitting on the bench collecting big money with little to no contribution.

However, I would extend Panik for a few years on a team friendly deal.
Cano is untradeable unless you swap him for a similar bad contract  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2019 10:31 am : link
which doesn't really exist. As for the rest:

JDFD has to be the near-every day LF going forward. He has been that good and he sucked on D at 3B. Let him learn the position. Dom and Mcneil can spell him once in a while.

When Mcneil comes back he needs to be every day 3B. That's the most open spot longer term and he has been good defensively there (as he has pretty much everywhere). Frazier can spell him once a week when he needs a day off to keep him fresh.

Lowrie has to be a utility guy getting the occasional start when guys need a day off. There won't be a ton of at bats for that because Frazier & Panik are going to probably need similar roles. Best man gets the AB's. Unlike the other 2 he can play SS so he can give Rosario a day off once in a while to stay fresh.

Agree about Lagares/Nimmo. Both are injury prone, play the hot guy and let them split time close to evenly once Nimmo is up to speed.

Add all that up and Cano can get re-inserted over Panik at 2B once he cools down - but he has to produce both offensively and defensively. Need to be accountable to performance, hustle, defense. Play the best guys who are producing - period. Can't overthink it this time of year.
RE: Cano  
Section331 : 8/22/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14539101 Mike in NY said:
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Panik has caught some fire, but his track record tells us this is not sustainable.


I'm not so sure about that. Not saying he's going to hit .340, but he's been a pretty good player for extended periods. 6th in ROY voting in yr 1; all star in year 2; struggled offensively in yr 3, but won a GG; and had his best season offensively in yr 4.

Panik is terrific defensively, doesn't strike out, good base runner, and grinds out at bats. There's a lot to like in his game.
Panik  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 10:40 am : link
has been awful for 2 years and is already making 3.45 million and is arbitration-eligible. You can't give him an extension of any kind based on a week unless he literally is throwing away money.
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RE: Panik  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14539136 DanMetroMan said:
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has been awful for 2 years and is already making 3.45 million and is arbitration-eligible. You can't give him an extension of any kind based on a week unless he literally is throwing away money.
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If he plays well and it only costs $3-4m or so I could see them tendering him and bringing him to ST like they did with TDA, I mean they were willing to pay that much to Hech this past year. If both Lowrie and Cano are here though it's hard to see how he makes the roster. Especially if Guillorme continues to show that he can contribute in the big leagues.
RE: RE: Panik  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 10:50 am : link
In comment 14539146 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14539136 DanMetroMan said:


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has been awful for 2 years and is already making 3.45 million and is arbitration-eligible. You can't give him an extension of any kind based on a week unless he literally is throwing away money.
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If he plays well and it only costs $3-4m or so I could see them tendering him and bringing him to ST like they did with TDA, I mean they were willing to pay that much to Hech this past year. If both Lowrie and Cano are here though it's hard to see how he makes the roster. Especially if Guillorme continues to show that he can contribute in the big leagues.


A bit different than

"However, I would extend Panik for a few years on a team friendly deal."
yea I'd be shocked if they commit multi-year gtd money to another 2b  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2019 10:55 am : link
when they already have like 4 under contract.
Two Things  
Samiam : 8/22/2019 11:18 am : link
First, Nimmo was hitting like crap all year. Maybe he was hurt then, who knows? But, I donít expect him to start unless Lagares stops hitting. Plus, Lagares is now the old Lagares defensively.

Second, I wonder if part of the reason for the Cano trade, beyond getting what they thought was the best young closer, was that the NL would move to the DH in a year or 2. Doesnít sound like itís going to happen but Broadie might be plugged in better than we think. As an agent he dealt with all teams. Just a thought
RE: Two Things  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14539180 Samiam said:
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First, Nimmo was hitting like crap all year. Maybe he was hurt then, who knows? But, I donít expect him to start unless Lagares stops hitting. Plus, Lagares is now the old Lagares defensively.

Second, I wonder if part of the reason for the Cano trade, beyond getting what they thought was the best young closer, was that the NL would move to the DH in a year or 2. Doesnít sound like itís going to happen but Broadie might be plugged in better than we think. As an agent he dealt with all teams. Just a thought


DH won't even be discussed until following the 2021 season at which point Cano will be 39 years old.
Panik has been better than I thought  
Metnut : 8/22/2019 11:20 am : link
but he's still ideally the last guy or two on the roster for a good team. The Mets can't afford to give him $3-4M next year given all of the other needs the team has. A playoff run might increase payroll a little bit, but still not to the point to be throwing money around like that.

IMO, giving an extended look to Guillorme wouldn't have hurt us. I like the kid.
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DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 11:20 am : link
Major League Baseball has no plans to adopt a universal DH before the 2022 season, two officials with direct knowledge of the decision, told USA TODAY Sports after the completion of their ownersí meetings in Orlando, Fla.

The news comes to the relief of many National League clubs and their fanbases, who are adamantly opposed to implementing a DH for the first time in their league.

ďItís not happening during this CBA,íí one official told USA TODAY Sports.

The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks.

The current Collective Bargaining Agreement expires in December, 2021.
Cano  
KDubbs : 8/22/2019 11:21 am : link
I like the fact that he is around the team and usually one of the 1st celebrating with everyone unlike other injured players past and present. He has mentored Rosario all yr apparently and we are all enjoying what Rosario is turning into
RE: Panik has been better than I thought  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 11:22 am : link
In comment 14539182 Metnut said:
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but he's still ideally the last guy or two on the roster for a good team. The Mets can't afford to give him $3-4M next year given all of the other needs the team has. A playoff run might increase payroll a little bit, but still not to the point to be throwing money around like that.

IMO, giving an extended look to Guillorme wouldn't have hurt us. I like the kid.


Yeah they money just isn't there for an insurance 2b only player. The Mets have 128 million committed for next season (per cots) BEFORE arbitration eligible players. Yes, Cespedes money is ?? but they just don't have a ton to spend.
RE: Cano  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14539187 KDubbs said:
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I like the fact that he is around the team and usually one of the 1st celebrating with everyone unlike other injured players past and present. He has mentored Rosario all yr apparently and we are all enjoying what Rosario is turning into


That's great and all but not at his absurdly inflated salary and future salary.
The worst thing  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2019 11:29 am : link
about the Mets 2nd half/resurgence is that they've done it with zero contribution or close to zero from Cano and Diaz.

So that tells me had the Mets not made that trade they could realistically be in this same spot or better and still have Kelenic and Dunn. I'd feel better about the future if this was the case. Not being negative. I'd trade major league results for the farm any day of the week, but in this case the trading of the farm is not impacting the major league results in any way, so (so far) it didn't make sense.

Not that this trade consumes me and I dwell on it constantly, I don't think it's going away unless the Mets win.

And this isn't to say I'm pessimistic (or more than I was) about the Mets future, it just means the future could have been as good or better without mortgaging a portion of the future.
RE: Cano  
csb : 8/22/2019 11:33 am : link
In comment 14539187 KDubbs said:
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I like the fact that he is around the team and usually one of the 1st celebrating with everyone unlike other injured players past and present. He has mentored Rosario all yr apparently and we are all enjoying what Rosario is turning into


I love how the media always gives credit to veterans for young players breaking out. It's the most overrated type of media story in sports. Last year Reyes was just terrific at helping Rosario adjust, now we're giving Cano credit. It's nonsense; maybe these vets have been helpful but Rosario himself is responsible for the turnaround. Until I see him dogging it down the 1st base line I'll hold off on crediting Cano's impact on him.
RE: Cano  
Beezer : 8/22/2019 11:36 am : link
In comment 14539187 KDubbs said:
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I like the fact that he is around the team and usually one of the 1st celebrating with everyone unlike other injured players past and present. He has mentored Rosario all yr apparently and we are all enjoying what Rosario is turning into


Thatís a very solid point right there re: Rosario.
RE: RE: Cano  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14539214 csb said:
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I like the fact that he is around the team and usually one of the 1st celebrating with everyone unlike other injured players past and present. He has mentored Rosario all yr apparently and we are all enjoying what Rosario is turning into



I love how the media always gives credit to veterans for young players breaking out. It's the most overrated type of media story in sports. Last year Reyes was just terrific at helping Rosario adjust, now we're giving Cano credit. It's nonsense; maybe these vets have been helpful but Rosario himself is responsible for the turnaround. Until I see him dogging it down the 1st base line I'll hold off on crediting Cano's impact on him.


Though manager Mickey Callaway initially told reporters Rosario was on the bench as part of a scheduled day off, he later indicated to SNY broadcasters the shortstop was being punished.

ďI think that some of that stuff that we do internally needs to stay with us, but I think Rosie knows some of the reasons why he didnít play today,Ē Callaway said after the game. ďAnd more than anything I want to see Hech out there. I want to get Hech going, heís been swinging the bat well, all the other stuff is stuff that needs to be done sometimes.Ē

lol
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RE: RE: RE: Cano  
csb : 8/22/2019 11:41 am : link
In comment 14539226 DanMetroMan said:
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I like the fact that he is around the team and usually one of the 1st celebrating with everyone unlike other injured players past and present. He has mentored Rosario all yr apparently and we are all enjoying what Rosario is turning into



I love how the media always gives credit to veterans for young players breaking out. It's the most overrated type of media story in sports. Last year Reyes was just terrific at helping Rosario adjust, now we're giving Cano credit. It's nonsense; maybe these vets have been helpful but Rosario himself is responsible for the turnaround. Until I see him dogging it down the 1st base line I'll hold off on crediting Cano's impact on him.



Though manager Mickey Callaway initially told reporters Rosario was on the bench as part of a scheduled day off, he later indicated to SNY broadcasters the shortstop was being punished.

ďI think that some of that stuff that we do internally needs to stay with us, but I think Rosie knows some of the reasons why he didnít play today,Ē Callaway said after the game. ďAnd more than anything I want to see Hech out there. I want to get Hech going, heís been swinging the bat well, all the other stuff is stuff that needs to be done sometimes.Ē

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Well played - I guess I've had selective amnesia about the first half of the season....
RE: RE: Cano  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14539219 Beezer said:
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I like the fact that he is around the team and usually one of the 1st celebrating with everyone unlike other injured players past and present. He has mentored Rosario all yr apparently and we are all enjoying what Rosario is turning into



Thatís a very solid point right there re: Rosario.


I've scoured the internet and find zero recent articles suggesting this or crediting Cano/quotes from Rosario etc. Are we supposed to believe that Cano (who has been here all year(suddenly in mid-late July suddenly changed his mentoring style? Because Rosario was awful until that point. The trade to this point is a disaster. That's just the way it is.
Cano  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2019 11:49 am : link
was once called out by his teammate Mariano Rivera for lack of hustle (or lack of passion - whatever he said) in his book.

Not saying it's impossible, but he doesn't seem like role model material.


Jfc  
KDubbs : 8/22/2019 11:55 am : link
Sorry for mentioning that. I didnt say it makes up for his on field performance. Just pointing out the fact that other players get hurt and disappear from the team. Just pointing out he at least seems to be a good teammate.

I almost forgot how fans can never just chill and enjoy the ride. Always pointing out the negative.
RE: Jfc  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14539254 KDubbs said:
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Sorry for mentioning that. I didnt say it makes up for his on field performance. Just pointing out the fact that other players get hurt and disappear from the team. Just pointing out he at least seems to be a good teammate.

I almost forgot how fans can never just chill and enjoy the ride. Always pointing out the negative.


This is weak sauce right here. You made a statement and others responded. This wasn't blind negativity. Cano is making ridiculous money and is on the roster. Where else would he be? Players rehabbing aren't there but why wouldn't Cano?
RE: Jfc  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2019 12:13 pm : link
In comment 14539254 KDubbs said:
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Sorry for mentioning that. I didnt say it makes up for his on field performance. Just pointing out the fact that other players get hurt and disappear from the team. Just pointing out he at least seems to be a good teammate.

I almost forgot how fans can never just chill and enjoy the ride. Always pointing out the negative.


I think it's ok to do both.

enjoy the ride and acknowledge the negative.

As fans period I don't think it makes you a bad fan, but as Mets fans I think we've especially earned that right.
Kelenic is tearing it up.  
Jim in Hoboken : 8/22/2019 12:38 pm : link
He might be a top 10 prospect at year's end.
RE: Kelenic is tearing it up.  
PhiPsi125 : 8/22/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14539332 Jim in Hoboken said:
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He might be a top 10 prospect at year's end.


Yeah, I know that prospects don't pan out a lot of the time but I just always felt that this was going to blow up in the Mets face. And that's not hindsight. It's still up in the air whether it does or doesn't...but it doesn't change the fact that the Cano/Diaz deal was one of, if not THE, worst trade I've ever seen. We've beaten it to death...but for good reason. It was horrific.
RE: Kelenic is tearing it up.  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2019 12:53 pm : link
In comment 14539332 Jim in Hoboken said:
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He might be a top 10 prospect at year's end.


they're really pushing him in SEA. This is his 3rd level this season (A, A+ and now AA).

Obviously ridiculously SSS, but in 10 games is he NOT tearing up AA. He's holding his own. Sub .800 OPS, and .349 OBP. Of course with this sample size one 4 for 4 day with a HR changes everything, but so far he's holding his own as a 20 year old in AA. Across all three levels, yeah, his slash line is great though.

I don't think he'll be a top 10 prospect heading into 2020 but maybe mid-season if he dominates AA to start.
Obviously Kelenic is always going to sting  
figgy2989 : 8/22/2019 1:01 pm : link
But I have a feeling that Dunn is also going to hurt just as much. Think about it, when you have our starting pitchers coming up on Free Agency and the tight purse strings of the organization, its not like we have a ton of SP prospects in the minors who you can simply plug in.

You always knew that the Mets were never going to pay all these young pitchers. Hell, looks like Wheeler is on his way out, possibly Noah after next year and Matz the year after that. If you don't have some semblance of prospects to possibly back fill these loses in the starting rotation, it could look like a bad stretch of years on the horizon.
And I am not saying Dunn was some can't miss prospect  
figgy2989 : 8/22/2019 1:03 pm : link
But if he could have been a middle to back end of the rotation guy that is cost controlled for a number of years, that helps tremendously when a team is on a tight budget.
If Kelenic can stay in CF  
Vanzetti : 8/22/2019 1:03 pm : link
He will be a top prospect. If not, he will be a good but not great prospect.

I think Brodie also saw a window with Degrom Thor and company and probably projected Kelenic as s guy who would not reach his potential during that window
It still remains to  
Metnut : 8/22/2019 1:06 pm : link
be seen whether Diaz improves. You're looking at a guy who in a down year is still striking out almost 15 guys per 9. If he can regain command of his slider he could be a real weapon for us, either down the stretch this year or going forward (he's still under team control for a while).

Puff piece  
Metnut : 8/22/2019 1:09 pm : link
on Diaz from a few days ago, but take it for what its worth.


"ďI think weíre this close,Ē Regan said, referring to Edwin Diaz and a possible resurgence for the beleaguered reliever.


ďI have been working really hard,Ē Diaz said. ďI have been getting to the ballpark earlier to try to work on different things and I think the last two outings that I have had, Iíve had some better results.Ē

"ďWeíre working on a few things trying to get his slider back,Ē Regan said. ďThatís the main thing we want to get back, and a quality slider. His fastball is pretty good right now and his direction is pretty good. I donít know if they are sitting on [the fastball], because heís still throwing his slider, but they are not the quality sliders we want him to have. But I think weíre close.Ē
Man I know Regan is 82 years old  
figgy2989 : 8/22/2019 1:14 pm : link
But should he really be the Mets pitching coach if the dementia is already setting in?

Listen, Diaz may still have potential, but it is between the ears right now. Maybe he is the type of pitcher who can be a closer on a team in a smaller market. Who knows, but the fact that he is an after thought in any relief situation is pretty damning.
I  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 1:20 pm : link
hope this off-season they give JD Davis a one on one OF coach. He's not playable at 3b, 1b they don't need him, he's below average in LF but you'd think it's one spot he could improve a bit.
The best rationale I can embrace re: Kelenic is JDFD  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2019 1:41 pm : link
both trades were highly volatile, one went as well as possible to this point the other went as badly as possible. Live by sword, die by sword. Obviously you hope to come out ahead in all transactions but coming away even you live to fight another day.

That's not to justify the trade itself in any way, taking on that much of Cano's money was stupid as was buying as high as humanly possible on a volatile position/player.
I actually think Cano isnít getting enough credit  
ZGiants98 : 8/22/2019 1:42 pm : link
For how great heís been around the team. He certainly isnít acting like some older vet here to collect a paycheck. Heís always attached to Rosario in the dugout, Dom already credited him for helping with his swing.... and who was the first guy with a bad wheel congratulating JD last night?? Cano. The guy is loving being on the Mets right now. And letís not forget the reason heís injured in the first place was from busting his ass trying to stretch a single into a double.

Now all that in itself isnít enough obviously, but the guy had a .900 second half OPS and was a part of our winning streak when we took off.

I think people need to calm down on Cano. Iím betting he gets some clutch hits for us down the stretch if he makes it back and no Panik shouldnít start over him.
RE: I  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2019 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14539405 DanMetroMan said:
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hope this off-season they give JD Davis a one on one OF coach. He's not playable at 3b, 1b they don't need him, he's below average in LF but you'd think it's one spot he could improve a bit.


100% agree. Let JDD stay in LF every day and Mcneil take 3B every day. Just because players can do other things doesn't mean they should.

Doesn't leave much of an opening for Dom Smith sadly, but he was always looking like trade bait once Alonso did what he did.
Panik actually strikes me as a perfect  
ZGiants98 : 8/22/2019 1:46 pm : link
Late inning bench piece. He puts the ball in play and wonít be phased by the bright lights.
McNeil is our permanent 3B  
ZGiants98 : 8/22/2019 1:49 pm : link
In 2020 and LF is JDs. Itís the only way it works. Cespedes, Lowrie, and Dom are just going to have to fight for playing time off the bench if healthy.
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 2:09 pm : link
like Brodie did in fact consider dealing McNeil. Good lord. Dodged one there.
RE: Sounds  
Eric on Li : 8/22/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14539479 DanMetroMan said:
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like Brodie did in fact consider dealing McNeil. Good lord. Dodged one there.


Capone said that met fan reaction when it leaked out re: Mcneil was what saved him and Seattle agreed to swap in Bautista. Seriously.
RE: RE: Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14539489 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 14539479 DanMetroMan said:


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like Brodie did in fact consider dealing McNeil. Good lord. Dodged one there.



Capone said that met fan reaction when it leaked out re: Mcneil was what saved him and Seattle agreed to swap in Bautista. Seriously.


Britton's article makes it sound like Guttridge was a strong McNeil advocate. I realize not many thought he'd be as good as last year (he's been better) but MOST with a brain saw an average or better regular in terms of upside.
RE: Sounds  
GF1080 : 8/22/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14539479 DanMetroMan said:
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like Brodie did in fact consider dealing McNeil. Good lord. Dodged one there.


Did something new come out on this?
Yes.  
DanMetroMan : 8/22/2019 2:21 pm : link
A quote from Tim Britton

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"Guttridge was also a strong voice for keeping Jeff McNeil last winter when the Mets considered including McNeil in multiple trade packages.""
I think I read  
pjcas18 : 8/22/2019 2:26 pm : link
Guttridge was also the guy instrumental in pushing the JD Davis trade.
RE: Yes.  
GF1080 : 8/22/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14539496 DanMetroMan said:
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A quote from Tim Britton

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"Guttridge was also a strong voice for keeping Jeff McNeil last winter when the Mets considered including McNeil in multiple trade packages.""


Thanks! I knew I liked that Guttridge hire the most for some reason lol.
Sure, there's always the chance that Cano (another year older)  
PhiPsi125 : 8/22/2019 2:49 pm : link
can turn things around and be a contributor to the team. It's a long shot but still a possibility. He was starting to turn it on before he got hurt...again. Not sure if it would have lasted but it was at least something.

I'm not going to say that he was some great contributor that suddenly turned Rosario and Dom into quality players. Maybe he was/maybe he wasn't. But Dom was also putrid for quite a while before getting hurt. Does Cano get a ding for that?

We are going to praise Cano for his influence when he had to be spoken to by the manager for his lackadaisical play...and then does exactly the same shit the very next game? Sorry, not buying it.

Joining in the celebration with a bad wheel? This is where we are? I'm sure that Cano's leg is feeling much better. Let's not act like he hobbled out there on crutches. Sorry, that's a weak one.

And, no, I'm not going to give the guy credit for running hard. Seriously? It's his damn job to run hard and he's injured himself TWICE this season for running hard. Clearly he's not someone accustomed to running hard. I guarantee you this...if he comes back, he will re-injure himself.

I think that Cano is getting all the credit he deserves...probably more than he deserves.
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pjcas18 : 8/22/2019 3:17 pm : link
down flexen up.

bullpen is gassed and Tejada is not needed for any reason right now.
RE: I actually think Cano isnít getting enough credit  
csb : 8/22/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14539438 ZGiants98 said:
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For how great heís been around the team. He certainly isnít acting like some older vet here to collect a paycheck. Heís always attached to Rosario in the dugout, Dom already credited him for helping with his swing.... and who was the first guy with a bad wheel congratulating JD last night?? Cano. The guy is loving being on the Mets right now. And letís not forget the reason heís injured in the first place was from busting his ass trying to stretch a single into a double.

Now all that in itself isnít enough obviously, but the guy had a .900 second half OPS and was a part of our winning streak when we took off.

I think people need to calm down on Cano. Iím betting he gets some clutch hits for us down the stretch if he makes it back and no Panik shouldnít start over him.


ZG - I typically agree with you but have tough time agreeing with you here. Back-to-back nights he exhibited some of the laziest plays you could see in baseball. I'm not saying that he doesn't bring a positive veteran presence in some aspect, but this is a guy who has had effort questions his entire career. Not to mention he's had a terrible year, with a terrible contract, after a terrible trade. Anyone trying to put a positive spin on Robbie right now is not being objective. Maybe he has a great next 4 years and Kelenic/Dunn don't pan out, but at this point in his Mets career he has been nothing but a complete failure. Celebrating a JD Davis walk off does not change that.
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