I've seen a lot of people positively comment on that for Jones. Is that synonymous with accuracy? Or does accuracy include more than just good ball placement?
I would say ball placement means more than just accuracy. Â
Refers to the ability to put the ball where only the receiver has a chance to make a play on the ball. He has a high arc on his passes which in Duke films looked like noodle arm, but in these two outings it just looks like a guy who can thread the needle so far. It's one of the things they use the trash can and net drill for.
ball placement is location of the ball relative to the WR (direction he's running, where's he's looking, over the correct shoulder etc)
accuracy is the consistency w/ which you get it exactly to that spot
touch is more velocity & trajectory. Also spiral quality some. But in relation to the target & D. A dart between 2 defenders on a slant isn't often called 'touch' yet it's that vs floating appropriately over the D & allow your WR to get under it, or a softer throw for a stone-handed RB
Def all related tho, each plays off the other
Good question. I'm gonna borrow from another thread here Â
Ball placement relates to accuracy in that it's the ability to not just get the ball to your target, but get the ball to your target so that your receiver can make a play.
Two throws from the last game.
This is a slant to TJ Jones. The receiver comes out of his break ready to run. Jones reads it and makes the throw behind his man such that Jones has to contort and twist behind him to recieve the ball.
It's a completion, but it could be better. If that ball is placed ahead of the WR, TJ Jones can continue running forward into the catch, and now he's a ball carrier. Maybe get the first down, put a move on the safety, who knows. Because the throw is behind, it's a short but okay gain. Good, but not great.
Next throw
End zone fade. Placement is critical here.
Jones lofts the ball high and deep enough that, if jones beats his man, can attack the ball and come down in bounds for a score. If that throw drifts to the left, Jones can try for one hand stab at it, but has to try to tap his toes. If that throw drifts to the right, the CB becomes the WR and TJ Jones has to prevent an interception.
The throw is great. Only TJ jones has a chance at it, and because of the placement, Jones can comfortably secure the ball for a touchdown.
Good addition TTH. That was an informative thread / video itself Â
And credit to JT O'Sullivan on Youtube for his breakdown. It's a good video, you should watch it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZWdsrmU0tg&feature=youtu.be
Ball placement relates to accuracy in that it's the ability to not just get the ball to your target, but get the ball to your target so that your receiver can make a play.
Two throws from the last game.
This is a slant to TJ Jones. The receiver comes out of his break ready to run. Jones reads it and makes the throw behind his man such that Jones has to contort and twist behind him to recieve the ball.
It's a completion, but it could be better. If that ball is placed ahead of the WR, TJ Jones can continue running forward into the catch, and now he's a ball carrier. Maybe get the first down, put a move on the safety, who knows. Because the throw is behind, it's a short but okay gain. Good, but not great.
Next throw
End zone fade. Placement is critical here.
Jones lofts the ball high and deep enough that, if jones beats his man, can attack the ball and come down in bounds for a score. If that throw drifts to the left, Jones can try for one hand stab at it, but has to try to tap his toes. If that throw drifts to the right, the CB becomes the WR and TJ Jones has to prevent an interception.
The throw is great. Only TJ jones has a chance at it, and because of the placement, Jones can comfortably secure the ball for a touchdown.
Thanks! It's nice that more of his throws look like the second one than the first!
The D was playing Tampa 2 which is a counter to a slant providing small windows. The textbook safe throw is to throw it a little behind to avoid the LBs, and safe is usually a good thing in the NFL. The LB did bite a bit on the RB and moved forward a step, providing a little more window than usual. Definitely want a more aggressive placement versus man.
Above well, but yeah accuracy is a question of getting the ball to a player (IMO) and placement is the ability to locate it optimally on the receiver for that given play. Its not just a best function for RAC (Run After Catch), but depends on leverage of defender, to throwing lane, to making it most catchable for the WR. The less the WR has to think about making the catch, the more chance he has to protect himself, secure the ball, and ultimately get north or wherever he needs to
The D was playing Tampa 2 which is a counter to a slant providing small windows. The textbook safe throw is to throw it a little behind to avoid the LBs, and safe is usually a good thing in the NFL. The LB did bite a bit on the RB and moved forward a step, providing a little more window than usual. Definitely want a more aggressive placement versus man.
This is actually wrong. The big thing with cover 2 is keeping outside leverage. He can definitely jump that. Running slants against cover 2 isn't really a recipe for success.
When I watch Tua he is an incredibly accurate passer. Troy Aikmen-like. Jones seems to have less accuracy but incredible touch as well (velocity at point of reception).
Trevor Lawrence seems to play a very conservative game, throwing away from the defender so only the receiver can make a play on the ball. It's hard to say whether he has Tua's accuracy or not. Maybe we'll find out when he has to get more aggressive and less conservative.
My uneducated opinion so far is that Jones will be very good. I sure hope so. Maybe we got a steal at 6.
RE: RE: Can't quibble with the slant pass to Jones Â
The D was playing Tampa 2 which is a counter to a slant providing small windows. The textbook safe throw is to throw it a little behind to avoid the LBs, and safe is usually a good thing in the NFL. The LB did bite a bit on the RB and moved forward a step, providing a little more window than usual. Definitely want a more aggressive placement versus man.
This is actually wrong. The big thing with cover 2 is keeping outside leverage. He can definitely jump that. Running slants against cover 2 isn't really a recipe for success.
Did say Tampa/Zone Cover 2 is the best counter to a slant. Best way to attack it is the soft MLB spot with a seam or hitch or flood routes against any zone coverage, but it's possible on that play those routes weren't run, and had to settle for a slightly open gap in the slant route.
Not sure about Jones' game...
accuracy is the consistency w/ which you get it exactly to that spot
touch is more velocity & trajectory. Also spiral quality some. But in relation to the target & D. A dart between 2 defenders on a slant isn't often called 'touch' yet it's that vs floating appropriately over the D & allow your WR to get under it, or a softer throw for a stone-handed RB
Def all related tho, each plays off the other
Ball placement relates to accuracy in that it's the ability to not just get the ball to your target, but get the ball to your target so that your receiver can make a play.
Two throws from the last game.
This is a slant to TJ Jones. The receiver comes out of his break ready to run. Jones reads it and makes the throw behind his man such that Jones has to contort and twist behind him to recieve the ball.
It's a completion, but it could be better. If that ball is placed ahead of the WR, TJ Jones can continue running forward into the catch, and now he's a ball carrier. Maybe get the first down, put a move on the safety, who knows. Because the throw is behind, it's a short but okay gain. Good, but not great.
Next throw
End zone fade. Placement is critical here.
Jones lofts the ball high and deep enough that, if jones beats his man, can attack the ball and come down in bounds for a score. If that throw drifts to the left, Jones can try for one hand stab at it, but has to try to tap his toes. If that throw drifts to the right, the CB becomes the WR and TJ Jones has to prevent an interception.
The throw is great. Only TJ jones has a chance at it, and because of the placement, Jones can comfortably secure the ball for a touchdown.
I've done it. It's my masterpiece.
Ball placement relates to accuracy in that it's the ability to not just get the ball to your target, but get the ball to your target so that your receiver can make a play.
Two throws from the last game.
This is a slant to TJ Jones. The receiver comes out of his break ready to run. Jones reads it and makes the throw behind his man such that Jones has to contort and twist behind him to recieve the ball.
It's a completion, but it could be better. If that ball is placed ahead of the WR, TJ Jones can continue running forward into the catch, and now he's a ball carrier. Maybe get the first down, put a move on the safety, who knows. Because the throw is behind, it's a short but okay gain. Good, but not great.
Next throw
End zone fade. Placement is critical here.
Jones lofts the ball high and deep enough that, if jones beats his man, can attack the ball and come down in bounds for a score. If that throw drifts to the left, Jones can try for one hand stab at it, but has to try to tap his toes. If that throw drifts to the right, the CB becomes the WR and TJ Jones has to prevent an interception.
The throw is great. Only TJ jones has a chance at it, and because of the placement, Jones can comfortably secure the ball for a touchdown.
Thanks! It's nice that more of his throws look like the second one than the first!
Accuracy - executing the throw and the ability to do it consistently
This is actually wrong. The big thing with cover 2 is keeping outside leverage. He can definitely jump that. Running slants against cover 2 isn't really a recipe for success.
Trevor Lawrence seems to play a very conservative game, throwing away from the defender so only the receiver can make a play on the ball. It's hard to say whether he has Tua's accuracy or not. Maybe we'll find out when he has to get more aggressive and less conservative.
My uneducated opinion so far is that Jones will be very good. I sure hope so. Maybe we got a steal at 6.
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The D was playing Tampa 2 which is a counter to a slant providing small windows. The textbook safe throw is to throw it a little behind to avoid the LBs, and safe is usually a good thing in the NFL. The LB did bite a bit on the RB and moved forward a step, providing a little more window than usual. Definitely want a more aggressive placement versus man.
This is actually wrong. The big thing with cover 2 is keeping outside leverage. He can definitely jump that. Running slants against cover 2 isn't really a recipe for success.
Did say Tampa/Zone Cover 2 is the best counter to a slant. Best way to attack it is the soft MLB spot with a seam or hitch or flood routes against any zone coverage, but it's possible on that play those routes weren't run, and had to settle for a slightly open gap in the slant route.
I've done it. It's my masterpiece.