Kurt Warner shooting his mouth off: Jones = Dalton

Probably having flashbacks to the last time there was a rookie QB here drafted in the first round...

So tired of his petty grudge against the Giants

DJ hasn't thrown one pass in an NFL game...but he already knows how he will perform? Can get us to the playoffs but not next level? So silly.

He's not the reason that team kept losing playoff games.

He can see all that?

Nostra fuckin dumb ass

He’s wasting his talent on he NFL network. He needs to move to Wall Street

isn’t like comparing him to Tommy Maddox or something. I think some of you guys are overreacting a little bit.

QB, I’m not sure how Warner can evaluate Jones before he’s even played and say he can’t get his team to the next level. That’s not something u can see at this point imo.

Two preseason games in and he knows Jones is just another Dalton. It’s like Emory whoever who posts links here to his webcasts. He knew before Jones ever took the field he was another Tannehill. Eff em both. They know jack about who Jones will be.

Sounds like someone making it all about the QB and perhaps indirectly saying like me Kurt Warner.

Is it about Jones or Dalton? Does one of them sometimes play while insane?

As for the overall analysis, I got pretty much nothing out of it. Just lazy analyst fluff. "Player X reminds me of Player Y because they both do a lot of things well, but can they take it to that next level?"

Riveting stuff.

and it's dumb as fuck.

In comment 14539755 Chris in Philly said:

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isn’t like comparing him to Tommy Maddox or something. I think some of you guys are overreacting a little bit.

Dalton isn't terrible - albeit if that's what Jones was, I'd personally be a bit disappointed. It's just weird that Kurt speaks about Jones in a way like this where he seems to think he already has the guy figured out after about the sum of one half of preseason football.

Thinking we may need to see a little more to know anything like this.

at critical moments when things aren’t perfect?”

He asks a good question.

Eli has shown he can do this but he didn't even begin to show this quality until the last game of his first season against Dallas at home.

To make a judgement call after two preseason games is stupid. Warner is just shooting his mouth off.

If he had Shurmer as his coach and Barkley in the backfield?

What would Warner have been with Marvin Lewis as his head coach?

This year Dalton has John Jerry and Bobby Hart as starters on the OL.

1. Dalton isn't a bad QB. He just hasn't elevated himself in the postseason. There aren't many like Eli who do.

2. Kurt never had a strong arm and only had success in the league when he had Pro Bowlers around him at the skill positions. Just a little ironic.

It's inability to elevate his game or (in some cases) even keep it at the same level that he does during the regular season. I'd argue that's more of a mental toughness issue. He's got 1 damn TD pass in 4 playoff games.

or any of the talking heads think. They're paid to have an opinion and they have to express it, even if they have very little NFL game film to go by.

Whether Warner thinks DJ is the next Andy Dalton or the second coming, it just won't matter.

DJ will be what he will be.

I think people are really overreacting here.

He never once said Jones is definitively ____. He said based on what he saw in college, he sees a Dalton type career for him. He also multiple times gives a "let's see if he's better than that" type response.

James Harrison

He has a ring & a jacket so unfortunately some in the media believe he is qualified to analyze and grade talent sadly.

You could take a grocery baggier in your local stop and shop and give the same talking head analysis. The guy is a hack and an idiot.

If Jones is as good as Andy Dalton, and the Giants have Barkley, Engram, Shepard, and a big fast young WR in '20, they are going to win a ring.

Reading some of these posts makes me think Warner compared him to Joey Harrington or something.

accurate.

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If Jones is as good as Andy Dalton, and the Giants have Barkley, Engram, Shepard, and a big fast young WR in '20, they are going to win a ring.

Not if he plays like Dalton has in the playoffs.

158 pass attempts. 1 TD and 6 picks.

That's not getting it done.

to Simms, Hostetler and Eli, we'll be just fine. We've never won with "Mt. Rushmore" QBs.

ONE NFL game?

JHC, what a fucking clown.

In comment 14539774 Toth029 said:

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1. Dalton isn't a bad QB. He just hasn't elevated himself in the postseason. There aren't many like Eli who do. 2. Kurt never had a strong arm and only had success in the league when he had Pro Bowlers around him at the skill positions. Just a little ironic.

Eh, he had Shockey, Toomer, and Barber here in NY and was so-so. Had Coughlin as his coach too. Granted, he needed the OL too and we didn't have that for him.

In comment 14539755 Chris in Philly said:

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isn’t like comparing him to Tommy Maddox or something. I think some of you guys are overreacting a little bit.

He basically said Dalton is good but, not good enough to get a team to the next level and he sees Jones as the same; after limited action in 2 preseason games.

He’s an idiot.

Will never say anything good about the Giants if he can avoid it. Just a bitter old man.

but nobody has any idea at this point what Jones will be.

Weird comparison. Kurt should stay out of the prognostication business.

In comment 14539755 Chris in Philly said:

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isn’t like comparing him to Tommy Maddox or something. I think some of you guys are overreacting a little bit.

Agree. If Jones' is Andy Dalton, that's not terrible. We want him to be Aaron Rodgers, but at least Dalton is a competent starting QB. If he's Tim Couch, we have a problem. If he's Andy Dalton, the Giants need to put a helluva team around him, and then they can win.

Dalton isn't the kind of guy who carries a team with great QB play for stretches of a season. He's a nice passer but not an elite one. Ok. I'm hoping for more from Jones, but that wouldn't be a disaster.

I get that Kurt Warner is paid to do analysis, and "Too soon to tell" isn't analysis, but it does seem a little early to tell what kind of player Jones will be.

with very good numbers and shows you cannot blame everything about a team on the QB. So Kurt doesn't know what he is talking about.

In comment 14539755 Chris in Philly said:

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isn’t like comparing him to Tommy Maddox or something. I think some of you guys are overreacting a little bit.

Just a bit. There was a ton of praise in there that the more tender are missing.

I think people are just wondering where Warner is getting this from when Jones hasn't even yet played the equivalent of one full preseason game.

It's like he's already capping his career before it even gets started. Just seems silly to me and like a giant reach of a comparison. I don't really even see it at all. Jones can run much better than Dalton ever has - we haven't even seen that part of his game yet. Quite frankly, I see little to nothing in the way of similarities between the two players.

"Physically limited" just seems lazy - as does the comparison.

Warner was a heck of a player, but he leaves a lot to be desired as an analyst.

That’s what he sees from Jones after his first 30 snaps in preseason?

Guy is Nostradamus...or rather wasn’t he the guy bagging groceries while playing arena ball before he got his big break? Wonder how many people believed in him way back when.

And ignoring the praise he gave Jones.

It's praise to essentially say "I think he'll be good, but not good enough" ? I don't see a lot of praise. I see Warner already putting a giant cap on Jones' ability and cutting his ceiling when there's nowhere near enough to go by to make that sort of statement.

Sounds more like a backhanded compliment to me... from a guy who has been routinely bitter towards NYG for years now.

It's just lazy and based on nothing.

Which at this point is a good thing

grudge with the Giants. What the fuck did he expect to happen when he signed with a team with the #1 overall pick at his position?

Let’s critique the kid when the team is fully ready to compete for something other than a run at a top 5-10 pick. If/when our roster is loaded and he’s clearly the reason why we underachieve, then by all means, run your mouth...

In comment 14540276 arcarsenal said:

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It's praise to essentially say "I think he'll be good, but not good enough" ? I don't see a lot of praise. I see Warner already putting a giant cap on Jones' ability and cutting his ceiling when there's nowhere near enough to go by to make that sort of statement. Sounds more like a backhanded compliment to me... from a guy who has been routinely bitter towards NYG for years now. It's just lazy and based on nothing.

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Really good, anticipates, sees things really well, reads things really well, accurate, all those things. But that’s what I want to see. Can he be better than an Andy Dalton, who, in his right mind, is going to have an unbelievable career and be a really, really, really good quarterback in this league for a long time. That’s the comparison I would make.”

That looks like praise in the first sentence. He’s saying from what he’s seen he’d compare him to Dalton and needs to see if he can be better and make the throws Dalton can’t make. That’s a fair take.

You guys just like to get angry at anyone who makes what can be construed as negative about the Giants.

wonder if he has some insight? BAD THREAD

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In comment 14539794 christian said: Quote: If Jones is as good as Andy Dalton, and the Giants have Barkley, Engram, Shepard, and a big fast young WR in '20, they are going to win a ring. Not if he plays like Dalton has in the playoffs. 158 pass attempts. 1 TD and 6 picks. That's not getting it done.

Dalton level QB play, plus Barkley, Engram, Shepard, and a plus receiver via UFA or draft ... ?

Dalton is an 8 year starter, 3 time Pro Bowler, pencil in for 14 starts a year.

If Jones has and does that, he's going to deliver a ring.

Kurt Warner didn't say DJ is going to be next Tom Brady. Fuck him.



But seriously? I'd take Andy Dalton. It's not his fault they didn't win. I'll take five playoff runs in his first five years from DJ.

Warner is essentially describing himself when he's talking about Dalton. Anticipates, reads things well, accurate, all those things...

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In comment 14539804 arcarsenal said: Quote: In comment 14539794 christian said: Quote: If Jones is as good as Andy Dalton, and the Giants have Barkley, Engram, Shepard, and a big fast young WR in '20, they are going to win a ring. Not if he plays like Dalton has in the playoffs. 158 pass attempts. 1 TD and 6 picks. That's not getting it done. Dalton level QB play, plus Barkley, Engram, Shepard, and a plus receiver via UFA or draft ... ? Dalton is an 8 year starter, 3 time Pro Bowler, pencil in for 14 starts a year. If Jones has and does that, he's going to deliver a ring.

Dalton has had Andrew Whitworth, AJ Green, Tyler Eifert, Jeremy Hill, Giovanni Bernard, Mohammed Sanu, Brandon Fells, etc and it hasn't resulted in a ring.

Giants draft Jones 6th overall
"Insane! What are they doing?!?! They have no plan! Gettleman is a joke!"

Jones fares well in minicamp
"Well of course the Giants are gonna say he did well..."

As the offseason program progresses outside observers begin to report Jones is impressing
"Maybe they couldn't have gotten him at 17..."

Great debut preseason game 1
"Quarterback controversy in NY?

Really balls out game 2
"He might be a franchise QB (lower case f). But I don't think he's a Franchise QB (upper case F)

I'm not exactly sure what people want or expect at this point. But whatever, it's been a trip to follow.