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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2019 9:58 pm
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RE: I'm really concerned about the OL depth  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2019 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14540600 Breeze_94 said:
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who is the 3rd tackle? Slade is a career journeyman who has been a camp body for his entire career... is he our swing tackle?

Haven't been impressed with Gates and Wheeler appears to be a goner.

Hopefully someone decent is on the waiver wire.

Also, the WR core is so meh. Bunch of JAGS without upside besides Sterling Shep and Slayton. Would be great if Slayton could emerge. Latimer is too inconsistent, Fowler is a JAG, and Sheppard is a ST guy with no upside at WR. First 4 games are going to be a struggle for the passing attack without Tate.

Defensively, this team just lacks big time players. Looks like a bottom 5-10 unit on paper. There is no Khalil Mack, Von Miller, Aaron Donald, or Fletcher Cox getting after the QB. Not even close. The LB's are slow. For all of the hype, Peppers still can't keep up with TE's.

Gonna be a long year.


You sound like you have a case of the sads. It isn't all that gloomy. Buck up little camper.
2 Xman plays stood out to me.  
Fred in Atlanta : 8/22/2019 10:38 pm : link
Both were downfield. The fist was a pass play where he was rushing and ended up tackling the receiver downfield. He did on other play I believe it was a rush believe. I like the hustle.
Solder looks banged up as hell  
mittenedman : 8/22/2019 10:46 pm : link
he has the elbow but it looked like he wasn't moving very well either.....he's played a lot of ball, hope he isn't breaking down
RE: 2 Xman plays stood out to me.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/22/2019 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14540656 Fred in Atlanta said:
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Both were downfield. The fist was a pass play where he was rushing and ended up tackling the receiver downfield. He did on other play I believe it was a rush believe. I like the hustle.


Lorenzo Carter had an impressive play like this too where he chased the player down the field.
Don't quite get the hype regarding Jabril Peppers  
GeofromNJ : 8/22/2019 10:53 pm : link
The guy's 5'11" (at most), not blazing fast, and is not a punishing tackler. He's better than average, but seems less than what we were led to think.
Geo  
mittenedman : 8/22/2019 10:56 pm : link
Wait until you see how they use Peppers in the regular season.

He'll be attacking from the slot. They aren't going to show DAL anything. Bettcher's been vanilla with his alignments and personnel packages.
RE: I'm really concerned about the OL depth  
Mr. Bungle : 8/22/2019 10:57 pm : link
In comment 14540600 Breeze_94 said:
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who is the 3rd tackle? Slade is a career journeyman who has been a camp body for his entire career... is he our swing tackle?

Haven't been impressed with Gates and Wheeler appears to be a goner.

Hopefully someone decent is on the waiver wire.

Also, the WR core is so meh. Bunch of JAGS without upside besides Sterling Shep and Slayton. Would be great if Slayton could emerge. Latimer is too inconsistent, Fowler is a JAG, and Sheppard is a ST guy with no upside at WR. First 4 games are going to be a struggle for the passing attack without Tate.

Defensively, this team just lacks big time players. Looks like a bottom 5-10 unit on paper. There is no Khalil Mack, Von Miller, Aaron Donald, or Fletcher Cox getting after the QB. Not even close. The LB's are slow. For all of the hype, Peppers still can't keep up with TE's.

Gonna be a long year.

First of all, offensive line depth is a thing of the past. Nobody has it.

Second of all, because the Giants don't have any All Pros on defense, it's all doom and gloom?

We already know the pass rush is lacking, and the WR corps is thin. This season is not about contending for a championship. It's not going to be a "long year" if the team shows promise for the future.
RE: Don't quite get the hype regarding Jabril Peppers  
Scuzzlebutt : 8/22/2019 10:58 pm : link
In comment 14540678 GeofromNJ said:
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The guy's 5'11" (at most), not blazing fast, and is not a punishing tackler. He's better than average, but seems less than what we were led to think.


Peppers is fast. A lot faster than Collins at any rate.
Positives  
Joey in VA : 8/22/2019 11:09 pm : link
All around to me. Ximines flashed, Slayton made a big time play, Big Dex made a play, Jones kept it up, guys like Dickerson and Golden went all out to make it and we rallied late to win. Yeah some ugly plays, some guys stock dropped but enjoyed the hustle and teamwork. It's going to be rough at times but this team has more speed and talent and it's going to be fun watching them improve.
Shurmur  
AcesUp : 8/22/2019 11:18 pm : link
really can't contain himself when talking about Jones. He's not exactly the most expressive guy and he's a vanilla veteran coach that is fluent in coachspeak....even he can't hide his enthusiasm for the 6th pick.
Jabrill Peppers  
jacob12 : 8/22/2019 11:21 pm : link
Jabrill won the New Jersey Meet of Champions 100-meter dash. He ran a laser timed 10.5, and slowed down at the end of the race. Peppers has extraordinary speed.
Just  
PaulN : 8/22/2019 11:50 pm : link
Got home from the game. Pointing out we are thin at WR is nothing new, but I will add we are thin at running back also, other then Gallman, non impress at all. We may have a player in X-Man, and we have a player in Ballentine. Tanney llooked hhorrible, Jones is very impressive, and I like Russel Shepard.
Also  
PaulN : 8/22/2019 11:54 pm : link
Dexter looked great and this defense will be tough to run against.
RE: Just  
AcesUp : 8/23/2019 12:08 am : link
In comment 14540770 PaulN said:
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Got home from the game. Pointing out we are thin at WR is nothing new, but I will add we are thin at running back also, other then Gallman, non impress at all. We may have a player in X-Man, and we have a player in Ballentine. Tanney llooked hhorrible, Jones is very impressive, and I like Russel Shepard.


RB is literally the least of our problems.
Am I the only one who thought Gallman looked really slow?  
Prude : 8/23/2019 12:30 am : link
I mean Smith and Penny aren't exceptionally fast but for someone trying to make the roster Gallman looked like he was move at 3/4s speed.
Slayton stuck out to me  
ZogZerg : 8/23/2019 6:34 am : link
Missed most of camp, finally gets to play and made a great catch on the ball.

It would be great if we struck gold with Slayton. Speed and some size. We can certainly use that combined with Shep and Tate.
not sure I agree that the WR group is thin  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/23/2019 6:41 am : link
obviously, we don't have a gamebreaker like OBJ - but this group seems pretty consistent across the board. They all can block, they compete, they are tough and they don't seem to make a bunch of drops when it matters (there may be one exception to that). I think it is going to be a very tough cut to pick the top six or so.

I do like that there isn't a guy who sulks if he isn't getting the ball. That allows for a more balanced and unpredictable attack. Add in Barkley and Engram and I think it will be a tough group to defend.
What I saw  
Gman11 : 8/23/2019 6:52 am : link
is just about the same as everybody else:
Jones is definitely impressive
Lauletta should be the #3 if they keep 3
There is really nobody special at WR, but they get the job done
OL is improved, but what happens when injuries pop up?
I sure would like to see Barkley behind this OL. The thought of him not getting hit 2 yards behind the line on every play has me thinking he runs for at least 1500 yards.
Rosas has at least 2 tackles this preseason. Maybe he should play LB :)
Speaking of LB, if they don't cut Stupar I have to wonder about their thought process. Stupar looks like he's going for the league lead in missed tackles.
The rest of the LBs are meh. Haven't seen much out of Carter.
XMan had a couple of sacks, but I remember one where the LT didn't even try to block him. That's not happening in the regular season unless he goes up against Ereck Flowers.
Ballentine will be the steal of the draft. I know he played for a small school, but he looks like the best of the young secondary. How did he not get drafted sooner?
RE: What I saw  
ZogZerg : 8/23/2019 7:13 am : link
In comment 14540874 Gman11 said:
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Ballentine will be the steal of the draft. I know he played for a small school, but he looks like the best of the young secondary. How did he not get drafted sooner?


Remember when folks on BBI where whining about this pick?
Yapping that we already drafted 2 corners, why not get a RT there, etc.

This is a great example of why you don't draft based on position, and draft based on how highly you value players.
RE: Markus golden had another good game  
gmenatlarge : 8/23/2019 7:34 am : link
In comment 14540632 flycatcher said:
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Might be our best edge rusher,glad he’s here


Easily the best edge rusher, unfortunately there didn't seem to be any rush besides him, the X-man maybe.
My concern is our secondary. I think we have some talented young  
Ira : 8/23/2019 7:38 am : link
players, but they're not ready for prime time. They'll improve as the season progresses, but it could be a bumpy ride early on.
Too many negative comments here  
5BowlsSoon : 8/23/2019 7:53 am : link
I guess many fans are still thinking about our last five years instead of seeing what I clearly see.....unlike last year, we now have a much younger team that now appears to not have a glaring weakness.

Some say WR is a weakness. I disagree....the 7 who make the team are all more than capable of making plays and they all bust their butt off to do what it takes. I agree, if Slayton can stay healthy he can be so critical to allow us to open things up. I don’t know enough about Golden so I need to,read and look at film. I didn’t think he could make the team until now.

To those who think PEPPERS is slow do not know football.

To those who think we have no OL depth....who does? Can you tell me who are the back up players for the Cowboys or Eagles and what is so good about them?

To those who think we are poor at getting to the qb because maybe our DC has not shown anyone anything and is playing it all vanilla. In other words, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

I choose to look at all the good things happening in preseason:
1. 3-0
2. Daniel Jones
3. DL depth and Lawrence is a Beast
4. The Xman is rising up
5. The young and talented secondary is forming. When Baker returns along with Ballentine’s emergence, grouped with Jackrabbit and Healey.....me like
6. The new and improved OL...while having some down moments last night, over all they have been rock solid.(starters)
7. Rosas is still a Beast
8. Did we finally find our punt returner? I can only hope.
9. Even Eli has played well this preseason
10. Wait until you see the unveiling of SUPERMAN SAQUON

Someone pinch me...I love this team! Thank you DG and PS for molding them to play as a family. After all, it is a team game.

New and improved O-Line?  
RollBlue : 8/23/2019 7:59 am : link
So far, only Zeigler is an improvement - the Tackles almost got Jones killed, and Hernandez was a train wreck. Solder is getting paid a ton of money but keeps getting pushed and run around.
RE: Interesting Game  
Jay in Toronto : 8/23/2019 8:01 am : link
In comment 14540582 DavidinBMNY said:
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-Dickerson, X-Man, Jones, Love, Gallman , Remmers, Lauletta and especially Ballentine had a strong showing. I can't recall the last time no one mentioned the Giants RT. That was a good thing.

-The biggest roster concern I have is LB depth (Tree, Davis, Connelly and who?).


Good to hear about Love. Where did he play?
RE: New and improved O-Line?  
christian : 8/23/2019 8:02 am : link
In comment 14540922 RollBlue said:
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So far, only Zeigler is an improvement - the Tackles almost got Jones killed, and Hernandez was a train wreck. Solder is getting paid a ton of money but keeps getting pushed and run around.


That's unfortunately who Solder is. He's a sturdy, not dominant fixture, but pencil in a few really ugly plays a game.
RE: not sure I agree that the WR group is thin  
RDJR : 8/23/2019 8:05 am : link
In comment 14540870 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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obviously, we don't have a gamebreaker like OBJ - but this group seems pretty consistent across the board. They all can block, they compete, they are tough and they don't seem to make a bunch of drops when it matters (there may be one exception to that). I think it is going to be a very tough cut to pick the top six or so.

I do like that there isn't a guy who sulks if he isn't getting the ball. That allows for a more balanced and unpredictable attack. Add in Barkley and Engram and I think it will be a tough group to defend.


The WR group will be tough to cut down because they are all mediocre with the exception of Sterling and Tate.
Jay  
ColHowPepper : 8/23/2019 8:08 am : link
he made a nice play from FS position, maintaining pretty close coverage on a medium crossing route and dislodging the ball once it appeared the receiver had his hands on it. Papa said it was a drop, unclear (to me) from the replay, but at minimum Love's hands affected receiver's concentration.

He's not a slot corner, imo. Haley has that job. Who knows if we ever see Beal on the field. One snap in pads in two years. Amazing
RE: New and improved O-Line?  
UberAlias : 8/23/2019 8:16 am : link
In comment 14540922 RollBlue said:
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So far, only Zeigler is an improvement - the Tackles almost got Jones killed, and Hernandez was a train wreck. Solder is getting paid a ton of money but keeps getting pushed and run around.
Really? Our QBs haven’t had clean pockets like this in I don’t know how long. Oline pass protection is easily one of the biggest positives thus far.
RE: I'm really concerned about the OL depth  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/23/2019 8:41 am : link
In comment 14540600 Breeze_94 said:
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who is the 3rd tackle? Slade is a career journeyman who has been a camp body for his entire career... is he our swing tackle?

Haven't been impressed with Gates and Wheeler appears to be a goner.

Hopefully someone decent is on the waiver wire.

Also, the WR core is so meh. Bunch of JAGS without upside besides Sterling Shep and Slayton. Would be great if Slayton could emerge. Latimer is too inconsistent, Fowler is a JAG, and Sheppard is a ST guy with no upside at WR. First 4 games are going to be a struggle for the passing attack without Tate.

Defensively, this team just lacks big time players. Looks like a bottom 5-10 unit on paper. There is no Khalil Mack, Von Miller, Aaron Donald, or Fletcher Cox getting after the QB. Not even close. The LB's are slow. For all of the hype, Peppers still can't keep up with TE's.

Gonna be a long year.

Our backup WRs did look JAGy against the starting CBs, who were able to stick to their pockets and stifle the passes.
RE: RE: What I saw  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/23/2019 8:44 am : link
In comment 14540884 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 14540874 Gman11 said:


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Ballentine will be the steal of the draft. I know he played for a small school, but he looks like the best of the young secondary. How did he not get drafted sooner?



Remember when folks on BBI where whining about this pick?
Yapping that we already drafted 2 corners, why not get a RT there, etc.

This is a great example of why you don't draft based on position, and draft based on how highly you value players.

A lesson the Giants should have learned over and over againt, can't shop hungry.
Going into the preseason..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/23/2019 8:45 am : link
I thought Goodson was a lock - that's likely not true and I think he's cut. It says as much about the other LB's as it does about him. We have had some really good flashes of play from the rest of the LB group.
RE: New and improved O-Line?  
arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 8:48 am : link
In comment 14540922 RollBlue said:
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So far, only Zeigler is an improvement - the Tackles almost got Jones killed, and Hernandez was a train wreck. Solder is getting paid a ton of money but keeps getting pushed and run around.


Weird comment. The OL has been markedly better. Not sure what you're watching.

Also, it's Zeitler. Not "Zeigler" - Dusty left here a long time ago.
RE: RE: New and improved O-Line?  
ron mexico : 8/23/2019 9:04 am : link
In comment 14541012 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14540922 RollBlue said:


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So far, only Zeigler is an improvement - the Tackles almost got Jones killed, and Hernandez was a train wreck. Solder is getting paid a ton of money but keeps getting pushed and run around.



Weird comment. The OL has been markedly better. Not sure what you're watching.

Also, it's Zeitler. Not "Zeigler" - Dusty left here a long time ago.


there was some bad play last night, and they weren't lights out vs the Jets first stringers.

Its not quite the immediate jail break it was at the beginning of last year but I'm not sure we can call it a strength just yet.

RE: New and improved O-Line?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/23/2019 9:07 am : link
In comment 14540922 RollBlue said:
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So far, only Zeigler is an improvement - the Tackles almost got Jones killed, and Hernandez was a train wreck. Solder is getting paid a ton of money but keeps getting pushed and run around.


He is Exhibit A of the short attention span of the current sports fan. This poster has completely ignored preseason game #1 and #2, while focusing exclusively on the last game played.
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arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 9:07 am : link
Did I say it was a strength or did I say it was markedly better?

If you respond to what I actually posted rather than something I didn't, it might make a difference...
arc..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/23/2019 9:10 am : link
you made a positive statement.

You know some guys can't take that lying down! Must add context on the contrary viewpoint for whatever fucking reason.
RE: Too many negative comments here  
gmenatlarge : 8/23/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14540916 5BowlsSoon said:
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I guess many fans are still thinking about our last five years instead of seeing what I clearly see.....unlike last year, we now have a much younger team that now appears to not have a glaring weakness.

Some say WR is a weakness. I disagree....the 7 who make the team are all more than capable of making plays and they all bust their butt off to do what it takes. I agree, if Slayton can stay healthy he can be so critical to allow us to open things up. I don’t know enough about Golden so I need to,read and look at film. I didn’t think he could make the team until now.

To those who think PEPPERS is slow do not know football.

To those who think we have no OL depth....who does? Can you tell me who are the back up players for the Cowboys or Eagles and what is so good about them?

To those who think we are poor at getting to the qb because maybe our DC has not shown anyone anything and is playing it all vanilla. In other words, you ain’t seen nothing yet.

I choose to look at all the good things happening in preseason:
1. 3-0
2. Daniel Jones
3. DL depth and Lawrence is a Beast
4. The Xman is rising up
5. The young and talented secondary is forming. When Baker returns along with Ballentine’s emergence, grouped with Jackrabbit and Healey.....me like
6. The new and improved OL...while having some down moments last night, over all they have been rock solid.(starters)
7. Rosas is still a Beast
8. Did we finally find our punt returner? I can only hope.
9. Even Eli has played well this preseason
10. Wait until you see the unveiling of SUPERMAN SAQUON

Someone pinch me...I love this team! Thank you DG and PS for molding them to play as a family. After all, it is a team game.


First let me say that I hope you're saying that 6 weeks into the season. For me I am not seeing much on defense, LB play still invisible with very little pass rush. As for Bettcher unleashing his blitz packages in season, let's hope they work because they were dreadful last season.
RE: arc..  
ron mexico : 8/23/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14541055 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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you made a positive statement.

You know some guys can't take that lying down! Must add context on the contrary viewpoint for whatever fucking reason.


You can address me directly, don't be afraid.

I know it got a little rough for you yesterday but I'll give you a clean slate on a new topic if you want.

I'm happy to try to have a football discussion with you if you want.
RE: New and improved O-Line?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/23/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14540922 RollBlue said:
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So far, only Zeigler is an improvement - the Tackles almost got Jones killed, and Hernandez was a train wreck. Solder is getting paid a ton of money but keeps getting pushed and run around.


Solder got his lunch money taken on one play in particular, but I don't recall him having some generally bad day.
RE: .  
ron mexico : 8/23/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14541049 arcarsenal said:
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Did I say it was a strength or did I say it was markedly better?

If you respond to what I actually posted rather than something I didn't, it might make a difference...


man you guys are jumpy today.

I was adding my own commentary, not contradicting what you said
RE: RE: arc..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/23/2019 9:25 am : link
In comment 14541070 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14541055 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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you made a positive statement.

You know some guys can't take that lying down! Must add context on the contrary viewpoint for whatever fucking reason.



You can address me directly, don't be afraid.

I know it got a little rough for you yesterday but I'll give you a clean slate on a new topic if you want.

I'm happy to try to have a football discussion with you if you want.


That's very kind of you!

LOL. It got "rough" yesterday? I guess being the contrarian on the losing side of an argument makes one look at it as winning the next day!

It's daylight, but the dimness remains...
And by..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/23/2019 9:26 am : link
the way, I'm out of here for the weekend, so say what you have to say and it will wrap it up.
ha  
ron mexico : 8/23/2019 9:35 am : link
still truing to figure out how thinking that most players will benefit and develop with playing time is somehow a contrarian opinion but I guess I'll just have to live with that mystery

RE: RE: What I saw  
Bluesbreaker : 8/24/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14540884 ZogZerg said:
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In comment 14540874 Gman11 said:


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Ballentine will be the steal of the draft. I know he played for a small school, but he looks like the best of the young secondary. How did he not get drafted sooner?



Remember when folks on BBI where whining about this pick?
Yapping that we already drafted 2 corners, why not get a RT there, etc.

This is a great example of why you don't draft based on position, and draft based on how highly you value players.


You can add me to that list I questioned the pick since we had spent a #3 on Beal the year before but Ballentine has
been a pleasant surprise I don't remember anyone he would
be this productive coming out of small school . He wasn't on anyone from BBI's radar that is for sure .
RE: I'm really concerned about the OL depth  
djm : 8/24/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14540600 Breeze_94 said:
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who is the 3rd tackle? Slade is a career journeyman who has been a camp body for his entire career... is he our swing tackle?

Haven't been impressed with Gates and Wheeler appears to be a goner.

Hopefully someone decent is on the waiver wire.

Also, the WR core is so meh. Bunch of JAGS without upside besides Sterling Shep and Slayton. Would be great if Slayton could emerge. Latimer is too inconsistent, Fowler is a JAG, and Sheppard is a ST guy with no upside at WR. First 4 games are going to be a struggle for the passing attack without Tate.

Defensively, this team just lacks big time players. Looks like a bottom 5-10 unit on paper. There is no Khalil Mack, Von Miller, Aaron Donald, or Fletcher Cox getting after the QB. Not even close. The LB's are slow. For all of the hype, Peppers still can't keep up with TE's.

Gonna be a long year.


You can win with jags in the starting line up. Matter of fact you need jags in the starting line up. Problem with the giants the last few years has been not enough jags and too many slobs in the starting line up. Bad players sunk this team lately.

If the pass catchers behind shep and Engram and Tate are jags we are in great shape. We need ditch diggers more than anything and have since 2011.

RE: Just  
djm : 8/24/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14540770 PaulN said:
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Got home from the game. Pointing out we are thin at WR is nothing new, but I will add we are thin at running back also, other then Gallman, non impress at all. We may have a player in X-Man, and we have a player in Ballentine. Tanney llooked hhorrible, Jones is very impressive, and I like Russel Shepard.


Uh we are not thin at rb. If we are then every team is thinner. We basically have the best RBs in football.
RE: RE: New and improved O-Line?  
djm : 8/24/2019 11:38 am : link
In comment 14540929 christian said:
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In comment 14540922 RollBlue said:


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So far, only Zeigler is an improvement - the Tackles almost got Jones killed, and Hernandez was a train wreck. Solder is getting paid a ton of money but keeps getting pushed and run around.



That's unfortunately who Solder is. He's a sturdy, not dominant fixture, but pencil in a few really ugly plays a game.


He was good enough for the pats. He was good enough for the giants second half last season and David diehl was good enough for the giants.

He’s good enough. People complain about this guy but we’d be fucked without him. Get over the money for fucks sake. They all make a mint.
really at a a loss  
bc4life : 8/24/2019 12:17 pm : link
why people cannot see the dramatic improvement in the OLine. Hernandez is stilla young player, still not going to get soem of the calls vets get. but he has way more positive plays than bad ones.
sorry bc but the OL had a poor outting vs a good bengals front  
Torrag : 8/24/2019 1:01 pm : link
The run blocking was complete shite. The pass blocking regressed from the first two games including a brutal sandwich hit on Jones, and a handful of penalty calls to boot.

Now overall this pre-season the progress is apparent from last year. Thursday night was a setback which they can hopefully learn some lessons and move on from.
RE: Jay  
Jay in Toronto : 8/24/2019 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14540937 ColHowPepper said:
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he made a nice play from FS position, maintaining pretty close coverage on a medium crossing route and dislodging the ball once it appeared the receiver had his hands on it. Papa said it was a drop, unclear (to me) from the replay, but at minimum Love's hands affected receiver's concentration.

He's not a slot corner, imo. Haley has that job. Who knows if we ever see Beal on the field. One snap in pads in two years. Amazing


Thank you. I was not happy with the Beal move and hoped I was wrong.
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