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Is anyone else excited about this WR group?

Jints in Carolina : 8/23/2019 11:29 am
I mean who the hell knew these kids names before, and now for some odd reason I feel like we may be ok here. Not to mention when Barkley is in the backfield and Shepard comes back as well as Tate. It should open up some big play opportunities.

For whatever reason I am comfortable with this group.

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Wideouts Anonymous.  
Klaatu : 8/23/2019 12:01 pm : link
I hope they all carry American Express cards.
RE: RE: I mean look who Tom Brady had been throwing to for years  
JCin332 : 8/23/2019 12:06 pm : link
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So true. Only problem is we don't have Tom Brady.


Or Tom Brady's coach, OL, running game, or defense...
Remember this thread  
RDJR : 8/23/2019 12:24 pm : link
if Eli struggles and the defenders come to say, ďwell, look who heís throwing to...Ē
RE: Sports Illustrated NFL Preview....  
DavidinBMNY : 8/23/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14541341 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....says our WRs are the worst unit in the league.
I wasn't super impressed with the WR. Lattimer dropped a few balls and he is WR#2. I like Fowler and Sheppard for what they are, but I don't think they scare anyone. IF Slayton is the real deal, then I would feel very differently about this group. It's to early to say - the sample size has been to small.
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Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/23/2019 12:31 pm : link
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So true. Only problem is we don't have Tom Brady.



We may now.................

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Incorrect.

A mobile Tom Brady.

Like that we have some stronger faster WRs to take the top off and break arm tackles. Our 2s were more tightly covered by Cincy 1s, not surprisingly.
Getting sucked in again  
HomerJones45 : 8/23/2019 12:32 pm : link
Yeah, the vets make some plays against 3rd stringers, rookies and guys that will not be in the NFL come September 1. The rookies can't beat out career bums like Fowler, Sheppard, Jones and Latimer for PT. Those guys are proven career JAGS. Shepard is league average. Tate depends on his quickness- and he is now 31 and didn't even average 10 yards a catch with the Eagles last season. What does it tell you about the rookies that they can't get PT over the JAGS? Check your expectations. Gettlemen will be scanning the waiver wire for anybody else.

We don't have one receiver that is worth doubling outside of Barkley. Pray for his health.
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arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 12:39 pm : link
We're missing a top end guy - but I think with Shepard and Tate both in the mix (when Tate is of susp.) - the combo of those two should be just enough.

There's a logjam of guys behind them who seem to be making plays and doing their jobs.

It's just a lunchpail group and I think there's probably a surprise amongst them somewhere (RWJr, perhaps...), but Darius Slayton could absolutely be a weapon if his hands don't sabotage his other abilities.

I think it's easy to forget that Shepard is a very solid WR and that Tate has been extremely productive. It's not going to be anywhere near the best group in the league, but does it need to be?

How many times do the teams with the best set of WR's win in this league?

If I am building an offense, WR is literally the last position I am emphasizing. I think you can win football games - and a lot of them if you can block, run the football, and get good play from your quarterback. Yes, you need talent there - but you do not need a group of stars and you don't need to have the strongest group in the league.

We already know what you get when you have an elite WR and not much else offensively. A lot of losses and an offense that isn't all that great. We did that here.
I really hope Alonzo Russell makes it  
Jay on the Island : 8/23/2019 12:40 pm : link
His size in the red zone will be a welcome addition. His play on special teams has been outstanding this preseason.
RE: Getting sucked in again  
Klaatu : 8/23/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14541443 HomerJones45 said:
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Yeah, the vets make some plays against 3rd stringers, rookies and guys that will not be in the NFL come September 1. The rookies can't beat out career bums like Fowler, Sheppard, Jones and Latimer for PT. Those guys are proven career JAGS. Shepard is league average. Tate depends on his quickness- and he is now 31 and didn't even average 10 yards a catch with the Eagles last season. What does it tell you about the rookies that they can't get PT over the JAGS? Check your expectations. Gettlemen will be scanning the waiver wire for anybody else.

We don't have one receiver that is worth doubling outside of Barkley. Pray for his health.


What rookies? Slayton, a 5th Round pick who's been nursing a hamstring injury, and White and Wesley, a pair of UDFA's who were most likely destined for the PS (if they were lucky) from the get-go? Those are the rookies you're talking about? I daresay that as long as he's healthy, Slayton will receive his fair share of playing time.

Oh, and as for Tate...yes, in his short stint with the Eagles, he only averaged 9.3 ypc. However, before he was traded to Philly, he averaged 11.8 ypc for the Lions. He also rushed three times for Detroit, picking up 42 yards total.
Between EE and SB  
HoustonGiant : 8/23/2019 12:51 pm : link
we're plenty OK at WR.

I'm most impressed with the variety of plays. End of the year, after OBJ hurt his vagina, they really started getting EE into the scheme.

I'm excited, I think we'll be better than expected.
If Slayton develops into a 3rd WR sure, but the rest of these  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/23/2019 12:53 pm : link
guys look like most throughout the league. Highly doubt anyone puts a waiver wire claim on anyone we cut.
RE: RE: Getting sucked in again  
Brown Recluse : 8/23/2019 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14541469 Klaatu said:
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Yeah, the vets make some plays against 3rd stringers, rookies and guys that will not be in the NFL come September 1. The rookies can't beat out career bums like Fowler, Sheppard, Jones and Latimer for PT. Those guys are proven career JAGS. Shepard is league average. Tate depends on his quickness- and he is now 31 and didn't even average 10 yards a catch with the Eagles last season. What does it tell you about the rookies that they can't get PT over the JAGS? Check your expectations. Gettlemen will be scanning the waiver wire for anybody else.

We don't have one receiver that is worth doubling outside of Barkley. Pray for his health.



What rookies? Slayton, a 5th Round pick who's been nursing a hamstring injury, and White and Wesley, a pair of UDFA's who were most likely destined for the PS (if they were lucky) from the get-go? Those are the rookies you're talking about? I daresay that as long as he's healthy, Slayton will receive his fair share of playing time.

Oh, and as for Tate...yes, in his short stint with the Eagles, he only averaged 9.3 ypc. However, before he was traded to Philly, he averaged 11.8 ypc for the Lions. He also rushed three times for Detroit, picking up 42 yards total.


Just Homer being Homer.
RE: RE: Sports Illustrated NFL Preview....  
santacruzom : 8/23/2019 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14541435 DavidinBMNY said:
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....says our WRs are the worst unit in the league.

I wasn't super impressed with the WR. Lattimer dropped a few balls and he is WR#2.


Yeah, but Lattimer being #2 is not etched in stone (I hope).

There are going to be some tough decisions but based primarily on what we're seeing on the field, Lattimer being guaranteed a top-3 spot shouldn't be one of them.
I dont think excited is the word I'd use.  
Brown Recluse : 8/23/2019 1:00 pm : link
They've performed much better than I thought they would though. I'd like to see what they can do against a good defense. Week 1 should be a good test.
Iíd be more excited if we had drafted Kelvin and Jacobi ...  
Spider56 : 8/23/2019 1:04 pm : link
But thatís just me. Go Pack!
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HomerJones45 : 8/23/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14541455 arcarsenal said:
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We're missing a top end guy - but I think with Shepard and Tate both in the mix (when Tate is of susp.) - the combo of those two should be just enough.

There's a logjam of guys behind them who seem to be making plays and doing their jobs.

It's just a lunchpail group and I think there's probably a surprise amongst them somewhere (RWJr, perhaps...), but Darius Slayton could absolutely be a weapon if his hands don't sabotage his other abilities.

I think it's easy to forget that Shepard is a very solid WR and that Tate has been extremely productive. It's not going to be anywhere near the best group in the league, but does it need to be?

How many times do the teams with the best set of WR's win in this league?

If I am building an offense, WR is literally the last position I am emphasizing. I think you can win football games - and a lot of them if you can block, run the football, and get good play from your quarterback. Yes, you need talent there - but you do not need a group of stars and you don't need to have the strongest group in the league.

We already know what you get when you have an elite WR and not much else offensively. A lot of losses and an offense that isn't all that great. We did that here.
You also don't need a group of career JAGS. They are "lunchpaid" guys alright- if you mean they should be working construction instead of playing football.

I have no idea what league you are watching if you think you can win without wideouts. They are so important to the modern NFL offense that teams are willing to pay big money and put up with all sorts of antics to get one.
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noro9 : 8/23/2019 1:11 pm : link
Is the weak link of this team. Most of these guys didn't to jack shit when given the opportunity last year. Tate and Sterling are both slot receivers. There is no deep threat.
RE: If Slayton develops into a 3rd WR sure, but the rest of these  
Klaatu : 8/23/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14541478 Zeke's Alibi said:
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guys look like most throughout the league. Highly doubt anyone puts a waiver wire claim on anyone we cut.


Why put a limit on Slayton?

I was killing him in the early Spring because of his drops, but since then when he's been on the field he's caught everything thrown at him. He's got good size and tremendous speed. Isn't that what you want in your #1 WR?
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arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 1:13 pm : link
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We're missing a top end guy - but I think with Shepard and Tate both in the mix (when Tate is of susp.) - the combo of those two should be just enough.

There's a logjam of guys behind them who seem to be making plays and doing their jobs.

It's just a lunchpail group and I think there's probably a surprise amongst them somewhere (RWJr, perhaps...), but Darius Slayton could absolutely be a weapon if his hands don't sabotage his other abilities.

I think it's easy to forget that Shepard is a very solid WR and that Tate has been extremely productive. It's not going to be anywhere near the best group in the league, but does it need to be?

How many times do the teams with the best set of WR's win in this league?

If I am building an offense, WR is literally the last position I am emphasizing. I think you can win football games - and a lot of them if you can block, run the football, and get good play from your quarterback. Yes, you need talent there - but you do not need a group of stars and you don't need to have the strongest group in the league.

We already know what you get when you have an elite WR and not much else offensively. A lot of losses and an offense that isn't all that great. We did that here.

You also don't need a group of career JAGS. They are "lunchpaid" guys alright- if you mean they should be working construction instead of playing football.

I have no idea what league you are watching if you think you can win without wideouts. They are so important to the modern NFL offense that teams are willing to pay big money and put up with all sorts of antics to get one.


How do we know they're all career jags? Some of these guys are fucking rookies. Darius Slayton is a career JAG? Okey doke.

I didn't say you can win without wideouts - try to focus here. I said you don't necessarily need the strongest group. How many championships are the Vikings winning with Diggs and Theilen? Where did Beckham get us?

If you think Oakland is going to be any closer to a championship with Brown, I've got a bridge to sell you. I bet Mayock would back out of that deal and reneg on it right now if you gave him the option. He's been doing nothing but answering questions about a fucking helmet all offseason.

Calvin Johnson was a world class WR. The Lions never won dick.

Prove that you need a top tier group of WR's to win in this league. You can't.
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arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 1:18 pm : link
Shepard and Tate are also not "career JAG's" - they're not #1's, but Tate has been incredibly productive in recent years and is fantastic with the football. Shepard is a good #2/3 type.

It's not like Cody Latimer is the #1 here.

We had an elite WR. It got us nowhere. We cashed in that chip to help fix the defense and get younger.

The argument isn't "you don't need WR's," it's that it probably isn't that important to have a top 5/10 group in the league. If you have the other pieces in place, you'll move the football and score points.

We have an elite, world class RB. That changes a lot of dynamics. Having this WR group with Saquon Barkley and having it with someone like Rashad Jennings are ENTIRELY different things.
RE: RE: Getting sucked in again  
HomerJones45 : 8/23/2019 1:26 pm : link
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Yeah, the vets make some plays against 3rd stringers, rookies and guys that will not be in the NFL come September 1. The rookies can't beat out career bums like Fowler, Sheppard, Jones and Latimer for PT. Those guys are proven career JAGS. Shepard is league average. Tate depends on his quickness- and he is now 31 and didn't even average 10 yards a catch with the Eagles last season. What does it tell you about the rookies that they can't get PT over the JAGS? Check your expectations. Gettlemen will be scanning the waiver wire for anybody else.

We don't have one receiver that is worth doubling outside of Barkley. Pray for his health.



What rookies? Slayton, a 5th Round pick who's been nursing a hamstring injury, and White and Wesley, a pair of UDFA's who were most likely destined for the PS (if they were lucky) from the get-go? Those are the rookies you're talking about? I daresay that as long as he's healthy, Slayton will receive his fair share of playing time.

Oh, and as for Tate...yes, in his short stint with the Eagles, he only averaged 9.3 ypc. However, before he was traded to Philly, he averaged 11.8 ypc for the Lions. He also rushed three times for Detroit, picking up 42 yards total.
His last 11 games last season between the Lions and the Eagles, he cracked the magical 10 yard a catch barrier once. That's his game, throw a 5 yard pass to him and hope he breaks it. Only problem is he's now 31 and it's not quite as easy to break one as it used to be and if is not getting YAC there isn't much there.

Sorry boys, just trying to bring a little does of reality when people start getting excited about this collection of free agents, has-beens and never wuzzes.
Not worried about WRs  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/23/2019 1:55 pm : link
WCO WRs are fungible and constantly churn up. Planet theory, there are a lot of around 6', +agility, +speed, +hands type guys in the world. Not highly coveted by another sport either.
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Klaatu : 8/23/2019 2:04 pm : link
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Yeah, the vets make some plays against 3rd stringers, rookies and guys that will not be in the NFL come September 1. The rookies can't beat out career bums like Fowler, Sheppard, Jones and Latimer for PT. Those guys are proven career JAGS. Shepard is league average. Tate depends on his quickness- and he is now 31 and didn't even average 10 yards a catch with the Eagles last season. What does it tell you about the rookies that they can't get PT over the JAGS? Check your expectations. Gettlemen will be scanning the waiver wire for anybody else.

We don't have one receiver that is worth doubling outside of Barkley. Pray for his health.



What rookies? Slayton, a 5th Round pick who's been nursing a hamstring injury, and White and Wesley, a pair of UDFA's who were most likely destined for the PS (if they were lucky) from the get-go? Those are the rookies you're talking about? I daresay that as long as he's healthy, Slayton will receive his fair share of playing time.

Oh, and as for Tate...yes, in his short stint with the Eagles, he only averaged 9.3 ypc. However, before he was traded to Philly, he averaged 11.8 ypc for the Lions. He also rushed three times for Detroit, picking up 42 yards total.

His last 11 games last season between the Lions and the Eagles, he cracked the magical 10 yard a catch barrier once. That's his game, throw a 5 yard pass to him and hope he breaks it. Only problem is he's now 31 and it's not quite as easy to break one as it used to be and if is not getting YAC there isn't much there.

Sorry boys, just trying to bring a little does of reality when people start getting excited about this collection of free agents, has-beens and never wuzzes.


Do you think, maybe, the trade affected Tate in a negative way? Because prior to it, he was on pace match or exceed what he'd accomplished in his previous two seasons in Detroit, when he averaged 90 receptions for 1,040 yards, and 11.3 ypc. His playing time in Philly was certainly slashed, not even close to what it had been in Detroit. I figure that had to hurt.

Regardless, you're not interested in reality, be honest. Your interest is in negativity, in pissing in anyone's corn flakes who has the nerve to suggest that the Giants might be a bit better than advertised. Well, there's no denying the Giants have given you a ton of ammunition to use these past eight years or so. They pretty much deserve all of the scorn you've heaped upon them (and by extension, on those of us who try to remain positive).

But now, hopefully, they've begun to turn a corner. Their arrow is pointing up. Not way up, not yet, but up nonetheless. The best part of that is knowing that when they're serious contenders again you'll disappear. We won't hear from you at all. That's just one more thing to look forward to.
Barkley lines up wide sometimes.  
81_Great_Dane : 8/23/2019 2:23 pm : link
Barkley, Sterling Shepard and Golden Tate is a very nice threesome at receiver, with Engram at TE. Even Barkley, Sterling Shepard and (next guy here) is pretty good. Add a good receiving RB (maybe Perkins) and it's not going to be a problem.

Just keep everyone healthy.
Definitely lunch-pail crew!  
Simms11 : 8/23/2019 3:46 pm : link
They are solid if unspectacular. They all have had their moments in pre-season. I like how gritty and reliable these guys are and I think that helps this teams culture as well, no prima-donnas.
I think the group is very average....  
BillKo : 8/23/2019 4:33 pm : link
.....however, you add Barkley in the pass tree route, combined with proper protection, and guys will get open.

Also Engram on LBs should be a mismatch.

Protection, and delivery of the ball, you'll move it down the field.
RE: I think the group is very average....  
BillKo : 8/23/2019 4:35 pm : link
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.....however, you add Barkley in the pass tree route, combined with proper protection, and guys will get open.

Also Engram on LBs should be a mismatch.

Protection, and delivery of the ball, you'll move it down the field.


Adding onto my post, I watched the Eagles for years with average WRs and McNabb QBing. They proved to be effective in moving and scoring.

Key with them has also been OL play, and having dynamic backs to dump off to.
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christian : 8/23/2019 5:03 pm : link
When you look at Fowler, Latimer, Jones, and R. Shepard in a combined 21 NFL seasons they have 1 season with 30 catches (Jones in 2017).

Now either these guys coincidentally all have the worst luck, never got a chance, and are late bloomers -- or they are career bottom of the roster guys.

The difference between steady contributor and healthy scratch as a receiver is making plays against starters on game day.

Guys like this can run, catch, and block against no names. I hope one of them, in years 5 or 6 in the NFL can do it on Sundays in the Fall.
Will it shock anyone  
UberAlias : 8/23/2019 5:08 pm : link
If many of these guys disappear when the games matter? I think they have enough weapons when everyone is out there, but Iím not not expecting much after the usual suspects and Slayton.
this is perhaps  
RasputinPrime : 8/23/2019 5:17 pm : link
the least excited i've been about our WR group in about 20 years. I've still pissed off we couldn't find a way to make it work with Beckham or that we didn't plan ahead when it should have been clear that we would need to move on.
Their going again practice squad level corners  
NephilimGiants : 8/23/2019 7:18 pm : link
Meanwhile our corners are looking questionable.
RE: RE: Sports Illustrated NFL Preview....  
djm : 8/23/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14541345 Jints in Carolina said:
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....says our WRs are the worst unit in the league.



I think we're going to shock a lot of people.


Iíve never felt more certain that the giants will eclipse expectations than I do this season. Doesnít mean Iím right but I feel strongly about it! No fucking way will this team suck big balls. And thatís basically what everyone is saying. No way. Iíll be disappointed if they donít win 7+. I see noine wins.
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christian : 8/23/2019 11:19 pm : link
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....says our WRs are the worst unit in the league.



I think we're going to shock a lot of people.



Iíve never felt more certain that the giants will eclipse expectations than I do this season. Doesnít mean Iím right but I feel strongly about it! No fucking way will this team suck big balls. And thatís basically what everyone is saying. No way. Iíll be disappointed if they donít win 7+. I see noine wins.


I'd wager in a few weeks on the "guess the record" thread, the most common guess will be 7-9.

And I'd guess many of the media predictions will out the team there too.

This notion the fans and the media think this team is dreadful doesn't really line up with what I've read this offseason.
I think Engram is  
FranchiseQB : 8/23/2019 11:23 pm : link
Poised for a breakout season.

He was always better when OBJ was out.
Is anyone else excited about WRs?  
Nick in NH : 8/24/2019 9:30 am : link
After watching the Bengals game, I see why they are excited about Slayton-he made a nice catch for a good gain, with the DB running past him probably because of his speed. I hope they do keep Russell. His hustle sets a tone for special teams and the WR corps in general. The rest of the guys-Fowler, R. Shepherd, Latimer, et al, are all solid players that when combined with a good ground game, can move the ball down the field. I too was initially sad to see OBJ traded, but the more I see, the happier I am that he will not be the huge distraction that he has been. Sadly, injuries are a reality, and they may play a big role in determining who ultimately plays.
Is anyone else excited about this WR group?  
Torrag : 8/24/2019 9:42 am : link
I'm not. I do think they'll complement our running attack. They're a tough group, probably our toughest since the 1990 run.

If they didn't have the presence of Saquon and to a lesser extent Engram(who MUST stay healthy this year) I don't believe they'd be good enough to support a top notch passing attack.
Think they'll be okay  
bc4life : 8/24/2019 9:50 am : link
And they've been playing without the assistance of Barkley and they haven't been game planning.

They really miss Coleman in the return game
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christian : 8/24/2019 10:19 am : link
It also really depends on your definition of excitement. Lost in the dismal year, Manning was 9th in the league in pass yards 4299.

We've done this exercise before, but if Manning completes 380 passes again, and the you factor in reasonable gains for Shepard, Barkley, Engram and a pro-rated career average year for Tate. You're left with limited targets and a lot yards to gain for a group of characters who have never eclipsed 30 catches in their careers.

Now if the outlook is the Giants are going to be a run first team, and less emphasis on the passing game, I can buy that.
After Shep and Tate  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2019 10:57 am : link
We've got a buch of big, fast guy who can't seem to catch the ball consistantly. There may be some good plays, but I fear a lot of drops and disappointments
When you sign a guy in August after he has been cut  
Prude : 8/24/2019 11:27 am : link
And he is now favored at wr3 you do not have a good group of receivers. The qbs(specifically Jones) have been making something out of nothing but the entire receiving corps outside of SS and Tate is a bunch of JAGs and cast-aways. Don't think that these guys suddenly got better after being cut from multiple teams. If they look goid it is because they are doing their job and the qb is putting the ball where it needs to be.
Last year  
Giantimistic : 8/24/2019 12:24 pm : link
The Giants had 382 total team receptions. The most by a team last year was 459.

Letís predict receptions:

Barkley 90
Engram 75
Shepherd 75
Tate 65
Other running backs 15
Other tight ends 25

That is 345. Letís say the Giants get 40 more catches then last yearó422.

That leaves about 75 balls to go around for the other 4 to 5 receivers. I think what they bring to special teams will be the ultimate judge of their making the team.
RE: Last year  
christian : 8/24/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14542560 Giantimistic said:
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The Giants had 382 total team receptions. The most by a team last year was 459.

Letís predict receptions:

Barkley 90
Engram 75
Shepherd 75
Tate 65
Other running backs 15
Other tight ends 25

That is 345. Letís say the Giants get 40 more catches then last yearó422.

That leaves about 75 balls to go around for the other 4 to 5 receivers. I think what they bring to special teams will be the ultimate judge of their making the team.


Just at their career averages for the primary targets and figuring a conservative 10 YPC for the "others" -- that's a massive year on Manning. If you start increasing the YPC you're talking an MVP type season for Manning.

420 completions (career best) for 4421 yards. Even if he matches his career best completion % of 66, that's going to require 637 pass attempts (career high).

420/637 for 4421. I'd expect in Barkley's 2nd year, with a full year without Beckham, and 4 games without Tate, Manning's not touching that volume.

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Barkley - 90/711 (7.9 YPC)
Engram - 75/893 (11.9 YPC)
Shepard - 75/900 (12 YPC)
Tate - 65/767 (11.8 YPC)
Others - 115/1150 (blended 10 YPC)
RE: RE: Last year  
Giantimistic : 8/24/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14542741 christian said:
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The Giants had 382 total team receptions. The most by a team last year was 459.

Letís predict receptions:

Barkley 90
Engram 75
Shepherd 75
Tate 65
Other running backs 15
Other tight ends 25

That is 345. Letís say the Giants get 40 more catches then last yearó422.

That leaves about 75 balls to go around for the other 4 to 5 receivers. I think what they bring to special teams will be the ultimate judge of their making the team.



Just at their career averages for the primary targets and figuring a conservative 10 YPC for the "others" -- that's a massive year on Manning. If you start increasing the YPC you're talking an MVP type season for Manning.

420 completions (career best) for 4421 yards. Even if he matches his career best completion % of 66, that's going to require 637 pass attempts (career high).

Interesting expansion of my post. Good thoughts. So letís say the Giants match last years 382 receptions and my catch predictions are close. That really only leaves about 40 balls to go around for the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th receivers.

420/637 for 4421. I'd expect in Barkley's 2nd year, with a full year without Beckham, and 4 games without Tate, Manning's not touching that volume.

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Barkley - 90/711 (7.9 YPC)
Engram - 75/893 (11.9 YPC)
Shepard - 75/900 (12 YPC)
Tate - 65/767 (11.8 YPC)
Others - 115/1150 (blended 10 YPC)
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christian : 8/24/2019 4:28 pm : link
Giantimistic -- it's a topic that really fascinates me this offseason. The conventional wisdom is losing Beckham's productivity for a whole year will hurt. I'm not convinced, but I do wonder where those yards will come.

What I'd like to see is a more productive pass game on fewer attempts, and a more productive run game. And I suspect this isn't a top 10 passing team.

I don't think career backups like Fowler, Shepard, Latimer, Jones, etc. will magically come of age.

But I do think the Giants will have a better season-long running game (despite Barkley they were bottom 3rd in the league).
No  
Mike in Boston : 8/24/2019 9:57 pm : link
There is no one on the list who scares anybody. Sterling Shepard and Golden Tate are solid players, but nothing more. The rest are guys who've been around and haven't produced, or raw rookies from small schools.
RE: Sports Illustrated NFL Preview....  
section125 : 8/25/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14541341 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....says our WRs are the worst unit in the league.


There is nobody worse than the Patriots, nobody.
When I figure out all their names I will be more excited  
PatersonPlank : 8/25/2019 9:19 am : link
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RE: Remember this thread  
djm : 8/25/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14541432 RDJR said:
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if Eli struggles and the defenders come to say, ďwell, look who heís throwing to...Ē


Since weíve never said that before I donít think we will be saying anything if the sort this year.

Every qb to ever play has failed to win if his OL and defense sucked ass. But hey, who cares at this point? Perception has become reality around here.
You can win with ditch diggers all over the roster  
djm : 8/25/2019 9:37 am : link
I think many here are confusing ok players with BAD players. If these wrs play like dog shit, like Tim carter when he was starting in 2004 or like hermen Moore when his corpse was asked to start here weíre going to have a problem at wr. But if these guys can play like professionals we will be fine. The position would still need to be addressed with some blue chip talent but it wouldnít be the positional crisis some here are proclaiming it to be. Most of these ďjagsĒ have been here for a year or more. Have been in this system now for over a year and know what they are doing.

Thereís a difference between winning with guys like Bobby Johnson and losing with guys like Tim carter. Johnson was a pro. Carter wasnít. Guys like Fowler and the rest might be good enough to hold things down. And Eli is PERFECT for their development. Hes just the guy you want here to bring out their very best. How do I know this? Because the facts say so. History says who. But letís go by stupid espn who and their claim that the giants an room is ďuninspiring.Ē Sex sells. Real true analysis is lost.
The giants qb room is uninspiring  
djm : 8/25/2019 9:38 am : link
Their words not mine.
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