Is anyone else excited about this WR group?

After watching the Bengals game, I see why they are excited about Slayton-he made a nice catch for a good gain, with the DB running past him probably because of his speed. I hope they do keep Russell. His hustle sets a tone for special teams and the WR corps in general. The rest of the guys-Fowler, R. Shepherd, Latimer, et al, are all solid players that when combined with a good ground game, can move the ball down the field. I too was initially sad to see OBJ traded, but the more I see, the happier I am that he will not be the huge distraction that he has been. Sadly, injuries are a reality, and they may play a big role in determining who ultimately plays.

I'm not. I do think they'll complement our running attack. They're a tough group, probably our toughest since the 1990 run.

If they didn't have the presence of Saquon and to a lesser extent Engram(who MUST stay healthy this year) I don't believe they'd be good enough to support a top notch passing attack.

And they've been playing without the assistance of Barkley and they haven't been game planning.

They really miss Coleman in the return game

It also really depends on your definition of excitement. Lost in the dismal year, Manning was 9th in the league in pass yards 4299.

We've done this exercise before, but if Manning completes 380 passes again, and the you factor in reasonable gains for Shepard, Barkley, Engram and a pro-rated career average year for Tate. You're left with limited targets and a lot yards to gain for a group of characters who have never eclipsed 30 catches in their careers.

Now if the outlook is the Giants are going to be a run first team, and less emphasis on the passing game, I can buy that.

We've got a buch of big, fast guy who can't seem to catch the ball consistantly. There may be some good plays, but I fear a lot of drops and disappointments

And he is now favored at wr3 you do not have a good group of receivers. The qbs(specifically Jones) have been making something out of nothing but the entire receiving corps outside of SS and Tate is a bunch of JAGs and cast-aways. Don't think that these guys suddenly got better after being cut from multiple teams. If they look goid it is because they are doing their job and the qb is putting the ball where it needs to be.

The Giants had 382 total team receptions. The most by a team last year was 459.

Let’s predict receptions:

Barkley 90
Engram 75
Shepherd 75
Tate 65
Other running backs 15
Other tight ends 25

That is 345. Let’s say the Giants get 40 more catches then last year—422.

That leaves about 75 balls to go around for the other 4 to 5 receivers. I think what they bring to special teams will be the ultimate judge of their making the team.

In comment 14542560 Giantimistic said:

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The Giants had 382 total team receptions. The most by a team last year was 459. Let’s predict receptions: Barkley 90 Engram 75 Shepherd 75 Tate 65 Other running backs 15 Other tight ends 25 That is 345. Let’s say the Giants get 40 more catches then last year—422. That leaves about 75 balls to go around for the other 4 to 5 receivers. I think what they bring to special teams will be the ultimate judge of their making the team.

Just at their career averages for the primary targets and figuring a conservative 10 YPC for the "others" -- that's a massive year on Manning. If you start increasing the YPC you're talking an MVP type season for Manning.

420 completions (career best) for 4421 yards. Even if he matches his career best completion % of 66, that's going to require 637 pass attempts (career high).

420/637 for 4421. I'd expect in Barkley's 2nd year, with a full year without Beckham, and 4 games without Tate, Manning's not touching that volume.

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Barkley - 90/711 (7.9 YPC)
Engram - 75/893 (11.9 YPC)
Shepard - 75/900 (12 YPC)
Tate - 65/767 (11.8 YPC)
Others - 115/1150 (blended 10 YPC)

In comment 14542741 christian said:

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In comment 14542560 Giantimistic said: Quote: The Giants had 382 total team receptions. The most by a team last year was 459. Let’s predict receptions: Barkley 90 Engram 75 Shepherd 75 Tate 65 Other running backs 15 Other tight ends 25 That is 345. Let’s say the Giants get 40 more catches then last year—422. That leaves about 75 balls to go around for the other 4 to 5 receivers. I think what they bring to special teams will be the ultimate judge of their making the team. Just at their career averages for the primary targets and figuring a conservative 10 YPC for the "others" -- that's a massive year on Manning. If you start increasing the YPC you're talking an MVP type season for Manning. 420 completions (career best) for 4421 yards. Even if he matches his career best completion % of 66, that's going to require 637 pass attempts (career high). Interesting expansion of my post. Good thoughts. So let’s say the Giants match last years 382 receptions and my catch predictions are close. That really only leaves about 40 balls to go around for the 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th receivers. 420/637 for 4421. I'd expect in Barkley's 2nd year, with a full year without Beckham, and 4 games without Tate, Manning's not touching that volume. ------------- Barkley - 90/711 (7.9 YPC) Engram - 75/893 (11.9 YPC) Shepard - 75/900 (12 YPC) Tate - 65/767 (11.8 YPC) Others - 115/1150 (blended 10 YPC)

Giantimistic -- it's a topic that really fascinates me this offseason. The conventional wisdom is losing Beckham's productivity for a whole year will hurt. I'm not convinced, but I do wonder where those yards will come.

What I'd like to see is a more productive pass game on fewer attempts, and a more productive run game. And I suspect this isn't a top 10 passing team.

I don't think career backups like Fowler, Shepard, Latimer, Jones, etc. will magically come of age.

But I do think the Giants will have a better season-long running game (despite Barkley they were bottom 3rd in the league).

There is no one on the list who scares anybody. Sterling Shepard and Golden Tate are solid players, but nothing more. The rest are guys who've been around and haven't produced, or raw rookies from small schools.

In comment 14541341 Emlen'sGremlins said:

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....says our WRs are the worst unit in the league.

There is nobody worse than the Patriots, nobody.

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In comment 14541432 RDJR said:

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if Eli struggles and the defenders come to say, “well, look who he’s throwing to...”

Since we’ve never said that before I don’t think we will be saying anything if the sort this year.

Every qb to ever play has failed to win if his OL and defense sucked ass. But hey, who cares at this point? Perception has become reality around here.

I think many here are confusing ok players with BAD players. If these wrs play like dog shit, like Tim carter when he was starting in 2004 or like hermen Moore when his corpse was asked to start here we’re going to have a problem at wr. But if these guys can play like professionals we will be fine. The position would still need to be addressed with some blue chip talent but it wouldn’t be the positional crisis some here are proclaiming it to be. Most of these “jags” have been here for a year or more. Have been in this system now for over a year and know what they are doing.

There’s a difference between winning with guys like Bobby Johnson and losing with guys like Tim carter. Johnson was a pro. Carter wasn’t. Guys like Fowler and the rest might be good enough to hold things down. And Eli is PERFECT for their development. Hes just the guy you want here to bring out their very best. How do I know this? Because the facts say so. History says who. But let’s go by stupid espn who and their claim that the giants an room is “uninspiring.” Sex sells. Real true analysis is lost.

Their words not mine.