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Canton : 8/23/2019 11:59 am
Loving the way Shurmur is handling the media as of late..



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Now the excuses for these people are that  
ZogZerg : 8/23/2019 12:32 pm : link
DJ started 3 years at Duke, while KM and Haskins only started a little more than a year. Experience is what matters....
Just this morning they are claiming Haskins will be the better QB in the long run....

These folks are dug in DEEP!
I hope Shurmur  
santacruzom : 8/23/2019 12:34 pm : link
keeps the beard going.
Let me translate...  
bw in dc : 8/23/2019 12:35 pm : link
what Shurmur is actually saying because I have a terrific understanding about the cast of characters at Jints Central.

"I would love to start Daniel. But you'll have to ask Mr. Mara what he's thinking today..."

;)
RE: Let me translate...  
Thegratefulhead : 8/23/2019 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14541448 bw in dc said:
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what Shurmur is actually saying because I have a terrific understanding about the cast of characters at Jints Central.

"I would love to start Daniel. But you'll have to ask Mr. Mara what he's thinking today..."

;)
Stop trolling FMiC it is tiresome.
He's trolling..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/23/2019 12:37 pm : link
the board, not me.
This was a bad move  
wigs in nyc : 8/23/2019 12:38 pm : link
I appreciate Shurmur's confidence, but with the media the general rule should be "don't polk the bear." Who cares what they say? It's great that Jones' development is going well. Do the talking on the field.
RE: It made me want to go back and look at the official....  
EricJ : 8/23/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14541433 Britt in VA said:
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1st round pick Daniel Jones thread on BBI.

Oof.


If you really want to be entertained...
Go back and look at the OBJ has been traded thread. See how many people said we got fleeced.
jesus. christ.  
wigs in nyc : 8/23/2019 12:40 pm : link
that should read "don't poke the bear".

Happy Friday, everyone.
RE: I hope Shurmur  
arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14541447 santacruzom said:
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keeps the beard going.


He looks like a rugged serial killer or something - I kinda like it too.
RE: RE: I hope Shurmur  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/23/2019 12:42 pm : link
In comment 14541458 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14541447 santacruzom said:


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keeps the beard going.



He looks like a rugged serial killer or something - I kinda like it too.


That's only after he gets crazy eyes and sniffs some smelling salts!
My favorite was Manish Mehta  
bceagle05 : 8/23/2019 12:44 pm : link
gleefully reporting that one GM or scout wanted to work Daniel Jones out at tight end and not QB.
Arc...  
Tesla : 8/23/2019 12:48 pm : link
there are absolutely fans here calling him a franchise QB. Someone started a thread last night making that claim.
RE: RE: May I suggest....  
Thegratefulhead : 8/23/2019 12:48 pm : link
In comment 14541442 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 14541418 Tesla said:


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that the people stating Daniels Jones has "proved" all the haters wrong are being just as moronic as the people who said he was going to suck when he was drafted???

Jones has looked fantastic so far. But let's at least let him take a couple of regular season snaps before we declare him a franchise QB?



May I suggest suggesting things based on what people are actually saying rather than your exaggerated perceptions of said things?

No one declared him a franchise QB here. Not one person. And that's not the perception here. Everyone knows that they basically have to qualify every positive thing they say about Daniel with "I know it's just preseason..." because without that, we get responses like these.

Believe me. No one here - at least not the rational amongst us believe that Jones is already a lock to be anything other than, well.. a quarterback.

Most of us are just a tad excited about what we've seen so far, and it's okay to not need to throw cold water all over it. It's okay to let Giants fans be a little optimistic and borderline giddy at the prospect of what Daniel could potentially be. (Yes, potentially.)

We've had a lot of bad years lately and a lot of shit heaped upon us. It's been a bad stretch for NYG. The fans are tired of it and want to see this team be restored to what we believe it should be.

It appears we're taking some actual steps in that direction - finally.

Really, it's okay to just let fans be a little bit happy here. Not every thought needs to be policed or brought "back to earth."
Thank you. Perfect. The amount of Strawman that goes on here is staggering.

I have legitimate reasons to think the arrow is pointing up, I have not felt that way in bit. There is no need throw a bucket of water on everything. Join us in our enthusiasm.

RE: Arc...  
Britt in VA : 8/23/2019 12:49 pm : link
In comment 14541467 Tesla said:
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there are absolutely fans here calling him a franchise QB. Someone started a thread last night making that claim.


So what?
.  
CalZone : 8/23/2019 12:50 pm : link
God I miss Coughlin.
Shurmur's paying attention to the outside is so amateur.
Shurmur...  
BillKo : 8/23/2019 12:51 pm : link
..gets extra points for his handling and the goatee he's got going!!!!
RE: Shurmur...  
bw in dc : 8/23/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14541474 BillKo said:
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..gets extra points for his handling and the goatee he's got going!!!!


I think it's a full scruffy beard...
RE: Arc...  
arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14541467 Tesla said:
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there are absolutely fans here calling him a franchise QB. Someone started a thread last night making that claim.


Do you honestly believe that's the prevailing sentiment regarding Jones here?

I know you're smarter than that.

RE: .  
arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14541471 CalZone said:
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God I miss Coughlin.
Shurmur's paying attention to the outside is so amateur.


So go root for Jacksonville. Things seem to be going great there.
RE: Itís a good quote  
TrueBlue56 : 8/23/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14541424 Les in TO said:
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But in terms of handling the media, Shurmur did flub the question last week about who the starting QB was by awkwardly referencing Maraís quote. Just served as fodder for the meddling owner argument.


He was asked a direct question about what the owner said. How else was he supposed to answer the question?

Smh
Not related - but seeing a potential star on the 'rise'  
Canton : 8/23/2019 1:04 pm : link
And another, actual star, beginning to fade to the foreground, is a bit disheartening.

This photo says it all..



I hope Eli can have his one last hurrah this season.



RE: Ordinarily I'd prefer taking the high road  
giantstock : 8/23/2019 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14541398 bceagle05 said:
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but not in this case. If he's a good player, Shurmur and Gettleman have every right to boast about it - particularly to the NY media. And I say that as someone who wasn't crazy about the pick either.


As long as during the season they win at some point with Jones - then they can boast all they want.
RE: RE: Nobody is crowning him, and that's not what Pat Shurmur  
Britt in VA : 8/23/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14541436 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is doing or has done. Let's not twist it to make people feel better for acting like complete fools, here or anywhere else.

The reaction to the Jones pick was over the top foolishness, regardless of how it turns out.



Also, the immediate reaction to the pick has caused people to naturally dig in on that position. You'd think they would learn that the draft is a crapshoot and if you were a huge backer of Trent Richardson years ago, take your medicine, say you were wrong and move on.

Instead, we have been treated to segments creating hypotheticals on how a TD pass should have been an INT. We have Kurt Warner questioning whether Jones can do things in crucial moments.

Who was the guy on ESPN's Draft Day coverage that launched into a 5 minute tirade about the pick being terrible? When do people like that learn, or is the point not to learn and just continue to be outrageous?

The Jones take is pretty diametrically opposed to the Kyler Murray take. Any talk of his preseason struggles are shrugged off. Why? Because they made it sound like he was the start of a new category of QB - the Mighty Midget.


It was either Todd McShay or Max Kellerman, or probably both.
RE: Arc...  
Jimmy Googs : 8/23/2019 1:18 pm : link
In comment 14541467 Tesla said:
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there are absolutely fans here calling him a franchise QB. Someone started a thread last night making that claim.


We should be okay with that. We need one...
Think the shock of the Giants taking Jones  
TMS : 8/23/2019 1:35 pm : link
with the sixth pick is starting to wear off because he playing well so far. But with all that defensive talent available when they took him it is only natural some panicked and overreacted. Think most are over it now but if he flops later it will come back with a vengeance. 6th pick should get a starter somewhere hope he turns out to be it.
RE: RE: Itís a good quote  
Les in TO : 8/23/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14541504 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 14541424 Les in TO said:


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But in terms of handling the media, Shurmur did flub the question last week about who the starting QB was by awkwardly referencing Maraís quote. Just served as fodder for the meddling owner argument.



He was asked a direct question about what the owner said. How else was he supposed to answer the question?

Smh
False. Shurmur was asked whether Eli was still the starter or if Jones has altered the plan? Mara was not referenced in the question. Maybe you should spend less time smacking your head and more time reading or listening
Said it b4, whether it's CC, other media or even fans / posters  
ChaChing : 8/23/2019 1:37 pm : link
nothing we're seeing now is much different than what he did through college and in his short NFL camp & preseason experience. Obviously we still can't be sure as it's tough to judge if a player's skills will translate to the NFL (esp when looking for a franchise QB). But the surprise is funny to me. He's always been accurate, athletic, take hits, focused on the next play (iirc a lot of the same stuff EA saw in Eli)

All in all I don't mind people being for or against. Like that McShay / Kiper vid where they both acknowledge many of the same traits, just have different evals. One thinks he's a career backup, the other a solid starter

But it's also clear many simply didn't watch him but formulated an opinion (which, tho is par for the course these days, makes no sense at all). Esp those who were ranting against him, but now bothered to actually watch him play. The slew of people with opinions who are now surprised that he's doing the same shit he's always done on the field...I don't get it. He's certainly passed every NFL test so far (small sample & preseason / practice aside), still it's much the same from his tape esp at Duke...
RE: My favorite was Manish Mehta  
Strahan91 : 8/23/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14541461 bceagle05 said:
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gleefully reporting that one GM or scout wanted to work Daniel Jones out at tight end and not QB.

Mehta might be the worst sports reporter that the NYD has and that's really saying something given how terrible Leonard and Bondy are. He's a bigger Jets fanboy/homer than your average BBI poster is with the Giants. I'm embarrassed for him.
RE: Arc...  
Brown_Hornet : 8/23/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14541467 Tesla said:
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there are absolutely fans here calling him a franchise QB. Someone started a thread last night making that claim.

Why would that bother you?

I called him GOAT.

Pull the panties out of your crack...football is fun.
Solid point by Shurmur  
DonQuixote : 8/23/2019 1:47 pm : link
The media asking Shurmur to comment on how Jones is doing well is BS. Shurmur has been solid and consistent...they have always expected him to do well and are pleased but not surprised.

Why should Shurmur respond to a climate of low expectations that he did not create? All that stuff should be asked of the detractors.

Plus, a few people may owe Gettleman and apology.
RE: Not related - but seeing a potential star on the 'rise'  
ColHowPepper : 8/23/2019 2:14 pm : link
In comment 14541508 Canton said
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This photo says it all
Canton, that IS quite a photo
itís a long season. itís a very tough game. Itís more than a qb game,  
plato : 8/23/2019 2:22 pm : link
itís more than a players game. itís a front office game. itís a ďfortuneĒ game of injury and bounce.
So much of career and legend depend on what is not in qb control that the terms ď franchise qbĒ, etc really are external to the qb that they become AMOST meaningless.
I just pray the surrounding elements some of which i mentioned above, roll in our and Jones favor that many of you will be having this same discussion about DJ more than a decade from now.
RE: Not related - but seeing a potential star on the 'rise'  
ron mexico : 8/23/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14541508 Canton said:
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And another, actual star, beginning to fade to the foreground, is a bit disheartening.

This photo says it all..



I hope Eli can have his one last hurrah this season.




Eli had plenty of reporters around him right after this was taken.

Let the guy put on his shoes for crissakes
Love that response from Shurmur. One of the best comebacks  
Blue21 : 8/23/2019 2:42 pm : link
on a question from a coach I've ever heard.
I've said this a couple times now  
.McL. : 8/23/2019 3:02 pm : link
I was critical of the pick.

My main issue with him was a form of spacial recognition/anticipation with regards to where defenders will be by the time the ball reach its target.

I saw a number of plays where he threw into a windo only considering the primary defender covering the reciever. He wasn't considering secondary defenders. I.E. Bracket coverage, either over under, or inside outside. It seems like he only accounted for one of them. Another situations was a secondary defender reading and jumping on the play. Like a corner reading the throw and pealing off the outside guy to jump the inside route. We won't know about these issues until real bullets are flying and defenses are disguising coverages.

That said, I am quite happy that he has far exceeded my expectations so far. He has looked really good. Hoping he keeps it going.
The media?  
joeinpa : 8/23/2019 10:15 pm : link
I was hard pressed to find any place more hysterical about this pick than BBI when it happened.
RE: The media?  
nygiants16 : 8/23/2019 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14542103 joeinpa said:
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I was hard pressed to find any place more hysterical about this pick than BBI when it happened.


Todd Mcshay called gettleman an idiot and called jones a 3rd day pick who would be a career back up..

Every radio show killed gettleman and said the giants were run by morons
Mike Francesa said the team was run by morons.  
bceagle05 : 8/23/2019 10:36 pm : link
A team with four Lombardis added to the trophy case over the past 30 years. The same Francesa who never criticizes Jim Dolan.

If Jones is good, Gettleman should brag about it every day for the rest of his life.
RE: Nobody is crowning him, and that's not what Pat Shurmur  
Prude : 8/23/2019 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14541422 Britt in VA said:
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is doing or has done. Let's not twist it to make people feel better for acting like complete fools, here or anywhere else.

The reaction to the Jones pick was over the top foolishness, regardless of how it turns out.


Jones is a top 3 QB before his rookie contract ends and he wins multiple rings under Shurmur. Book it
RE: The media?  
Prude : 8/23/2019 11:21 pm : link
In comment 14542103 joeinpa said:
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I was hard pressed to find any place more hysterical about this pick than BBI when it happened.


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Ooops  
Prude : 8/23/2019 11:22 pm : link
Wasn't sure that was gonna work but the link at the bottom is still good.
RE: RE: Nobody is crowning him, and that's not what Pat Shurmur  
Britt in VA : 8/23/2019 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14542201 Prude said:
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In comment 14541422 Britt in VA said:


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is doing or has done. Let's not twist it to make people feel better for acting like complete fools, here or anywhere else.

The reaction to the Jones pick was over the top foolishness, regardless of how it turns out.



Jones is a top 3 QB before his rookie contract ends and he wins multiple rings under Shurmur. Book it


sign me up for that right now.
RE: Mike Francesa said the team was run by morons.  
santacruzom : 8/24/2019 12:58 am : link
In comment 14542140 bceagle05 said:
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A team with four Lombardis added to the trophy case over the past 30 years. The same Francesa who never criticizes Jim Dolan.

If Jones is good, Gettleman should brag about it every day for the rest of his life.


Well, that all depends. If the Giants start Eli this year and post a losing record, and then extend him and post ANOTHER losing record, and then finally start Jones, DG would lose some bragging rights...
RE: RE: Not related - but seeing a potential star on the 'rise'  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/24/2019 1:15 am : link
In comment 14541611 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 14541508 Canton said

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This photo says it all


Canton, that IS quite a photo


Ditto.

Great photo Canton. Like some scene out of "The Natural."
RE: RE: RE: Itís a good quote  
TrueBlue56 : 8/24/2019 8:29 am : link
In comment 14541569 Les in TO said:
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In comment 14541504 TrueBlue56 said:


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In comment 14541424 Les in TO said:


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But in terms of handling the media, Shurmur did flub the question last week about who the starting QB was by awkwardly referencing Maraís quote. Just served as fodder for the meddling owner argument.



He was asked a direct question about what the owner said. How else was he supposed to answer the question?

Smh

False. Shurmur was asked whether Eli was still the starter or if Jones has altered the plan? Mara was not referenced in the question. Maybe you should spend less time smacking your head and more time reading or listening


Direct question and answer..

Q: John (Mara) said that in a perfect world Eli would play the whole year, because that means youíre having a good season and Eli is having one. Is that the case that Eli is your guy, or does Daniel have a chance?

A: John owns the team, right? Weíre on the same page. There is really not much more to say. I think Iíve been saying it all along. I just get a sense once in a while that when I answer those questions nobody believes me. Well you heard it from the owner.

Now show me where pat shurmur referenced John mara without being asked by the media.
RE: RE: Arc...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/24/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14541470 Britt in VA said:
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there are absolutely fans here calling him a franchise QB. Someone started a thread last night making that claim.



So what?


I mean there's no law against being a homer, I guess.
Britt..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/24/2019 10:24 am : link
Thanks - I was talking about McShay:

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It was either Todd McShay or Max Kellerman, or probably both.


He sounded like a rambling idiot on draft day. Basically ant analyst who has an extremely strong opinion one way or another does
RE: Britt..  
Klaatu : 8/24/2019 11:01 am : link
In comment 14542452 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Thanks - I was talking about McShay:



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It was either Todd McShay or Max Kellerman, or probably both.



He sounded like a rambling idiot on draft day. Basically ant analyst who has an extremely strong opinion one way or another does


I recently watched a clip from that Shannon Sharpe-Skip Bayless show. Sharpe made a point about how if a coach or a GM is wrong about a player, it can get them fired. But if an analyst is wrong about a player, no one cares. There's no accountability on that side of things.
RE: Not related - but seeing a potential star on the 'rise'  
short lease : 8/25/2019 1:58 am : link
In comment 14541508 Canton said:
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And another, actual star, beginning to fade to the foreground, is a bit disheartening.

This photo says it all..



I hope Eli can have his one last hurrah this season.




+1 ... he will.
RE: RE: Not related - but seeing a potential star on the 'rise'  
ChaChing : 8/25/2019 2:12 am : link
In comment 14543431 short lease said:
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In comment 14541508 Canton said:
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And another, actual star, beginning to fade to the foreground, is a bit disheartening.

This photo says it all..


I hope Eli can have his one last hurrah this season.


+1 ... he will.

Career season. SB win. HOF lock

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