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Strahan91 : 8/23/2019 2:35 pm
NFL Research
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@Daniel_Jones10
has been a giant among men this preseason.

The rookie QB is up to an 83.3 comp pct, 12.3 yds/att, and a 140.1 passer rating.

Those numbers are the highest in a rookie preseason since at least 2006 (min. 30 attempts).

Some additional perspective & #128071;.

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Strahan91 : 8/23/2019 2:36 pm : link
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It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
Diver_Down : 8/23/2019 2:45 pm : link
Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.
RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
Strahan91 : 8/23/2019 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14541659 Diver_Down said:
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.

Haskins YPA is 7.4. What a joke
RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
Brown Recluse : 8/23/2019 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14541659 Diver_Down said:
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.


She's as bad as Cris Carter.
RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
Ira : 8/23/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14541659 Diver_Down said:
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.


And Haskins doesn't.
RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
BSIMatt : 8/23/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14541659 Diver_Down said:
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.


It amazes me the number of talking heads that just make shit up, and then speak it. Louis Riddick tried to make a similar sort of comment, something along the lines of "Giants were setting up Jones for success" and "Redskins were having Haskins push the ball downfield". Comical.
RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/23/2019 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14541659 Diver_Down said:
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.


She's a worthless piece of garbage. Nothing to see there. I don't like Cris Carter. But at least he admitted earlier today that he is impressed by Jones thus far. Fuck Josina Anderson, though.
People are hypnotized by strong arms and long balls  
DieHard : 8/23/2019 2:57 pm : link
But as we've seen with Jones, if you're accurate on the short-intermediate stuff and can lead the team down the field, the stats will look better than someone who can hit a long one but struggles to consistently move the chains.
Long balls  
crick n NC : 8/23/2019 3:02 pm : link
Are inevitable the older we get

Sigh
I cant stand Anderson now  
BIG FRED 1973 : 8/23/2019 3:02 pm : link
ever since that nonsense last year with Odell and that mindless little Wayne interview .She posted some dumb stuff today on twitter too .
RE: RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
Thegratefulhead : 8/23/2019 3:04 pm : link
In comment 14541666 BSIMatt said:
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In comment 14541659 Diver_Down said:


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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.



It amazes me the number of talking heads that just make shit up, and then speak it. Louis Riddick tried to make a similar sort of comment, something along the lines of "Giants were setting up Jones for success" and "Redskins were having Haskins push the ball downfield". Comical.
Saw it too. Made me wanna punch someone.
RE: RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
Nine-Tails : 8/23/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14541666 BSIMatt said:
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In comment 14541659 Diver_Down said:


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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.



It amazes me the number of talking heads that just make shit up, and then speak it. Louis Riddick tried to make a similar sort of comment, something along the lines of "Giants were setting up Jones for success" and "Redskins were having Haskins push the ball downfield". Comical.


It's comical, really. Jones has been the goods, he has the stats and passes the eye test. He's doing this under a lot of pressure too. I can't remember the last time I've seen the media nitpick about someone's success, and most if not all is unfounded. They're looking for something to discredit him, like its against back-ups, well yestderday disproved that, stares down his receiver, last two games disproved that.

Then with haskins or Murray, they be like I saw the flashes. Total BS.
It seems like Jones playing well pisses off some folks.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/23/2019 3:10 pm : link
First Carter and now this one. What's up with that? Not a good look for them. (Well, now Carter is kind of off the hook after this comments from this morning, but it's still...odd.).
Protecting Jones?  
Thegratefulhead : 8/23/2019 3:11 pm : link
Get that shit the fuck out of here. Every damn team that takes a QB in the first round wants the QB to look good and make them look good for drafting them. The Redskins are trying just as hard to make Haskins look good, believe that. He doesn't and will not any time soon because he can't grasp the playbook by the accounts coming from his own coaching staff. Shurmur can make stuff up for Jones on the fly for Jones already because of his grasp of the offense.
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christian : 8/23/2019 3:12 pm : link
This is a good example of how a positive reported about Jones, is then a jumping off point to re-litigate a negative expressed about him.

He's doing great and seemingly a lot of people both in the press and the league see it. I'm glad he's getting well deserved praise.

There's a vocal minority who aren't paying a lot of attention -- maybe they should be paid attention to?

Danny Dimes.........  
Koffman : 8/23/2019 3:14 pm : link
RE: RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
Diver_Down : 8/23/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14541666 BSIMatt said:
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.



It amazes me the number of talking heads that just make shit up, and then speak it. Louis Riddick tried to make a similar sort of comment, something along the lines of "Giants were setting up Jones for success" and "Redskins were having Haskins push the ball downfield". Comical.


You and I watched the same segment. Riddick led with his comments and Josina chimed in with a supporting opinion of Riddick's comments.
Whats most unfortunate is that  
Brown Recluse : 8/23/2019 3:21 pm : link
this Jones/Haskins thing has more to do with race than anything else, with these Cris Carter/Josina Anderson media people
Here is her nonsense  
BIG FRED 1973 : 8/23/2019 3:24 pm : link
from this morning ,typical ESPN garbage
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RE: Whats most unfortunate is that  
BIG FRED 1973 : 8/23/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14541711 Brown Recluse said:
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this Jones/Haskins thing has more to do with race than anything else, with these Cris Carter/Josina Anderson media people
Totally agree and its a shame .It really is.Remember Carter said the giants were racist for taking Jones over Haskins LMFAO
Greg Cosell after Jones' first game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/23/2019 3:38 pm : link
indicated that the Giants were making things easy for Jones thru the types of reads he was performing. So the idea that they're "setting him up for success" is not something unfounded.
Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
robbieballs2003 : 8/23/2019 3:40 pm : link
The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.
Am I the only one...  
BamaBlue : 8/23/2019 3:40 pm : link
that doesn't like the moniker "Danny Dimes"? I've got nothing better, but Danny Dimes sounds like a redux of John's Bargain Stores.
Am I Missing  
lax counsel : 8/23/2019 3:40 pm : link
Something? Hasn't DJ been throwing the ball downfield with regularity AND completing them with some impressive accuracy? Not sure what the talking heads are referring to?
RE: Whats most unfortunate is that  
robbieballs2003 : 8/23/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14541711 Brown Recluse said:
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this Jones/Haskins thing has more to do with race than anything else, with these Cris Carter/Josina Anderson media people


Oh, just saw this. I agree with you. It is frustrating and sickening at the same time.
RE: Am I Missing  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/23/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14541720 lax counsel said:
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Something? Hasn't DJ been throwing the ball downfield with regularity AND completing them with some impressive accuracy? Not sure what the talking heads are referring to?


Yes. He's thrown it deep, intermediate, and short. Which makes sense considering, you know, at different points in an NFL regular season game, sometimes you have to throw it deep, sometimes intermediate, and sometimes short.

It's all ado about nothing. The detractors in the media (which admittedly has died down big time, there's only like 1 or 2 left maybe) are clinging onto anything they can, even if it makes no sense.
RE: People are hypnotized by strong arms and long balls  
BSIMatt : 8/23/2019 3:45 pm : link
In comment 14541672 DieHard said:
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But as we've seen with Jones, if you're accurate on the short-intermediate stuff and can lead the team down the field, the stats will look better than someone who can hit a long one but struggles to consistently move the chains.


Jones was more accurate than Haskin on long balls in college, and that's continued in the pros. He throws a better long ball than Haskins.
RE: RE: Am I Missing  
lax counsel : 8/23/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14541723 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Something? Hasn't DJ been throwing the ball downfield with regularity AND completing them with some impressive accuracy? Not sure what the talking heads are referring to?



Yes. He's thrown it deep, intermediate, and short. Which makes sense considering, you know, at different points in an NFL regular season game, sometimes you have to throw it deep, sometimes intermediate, and sometimes short.

It's all ado about nothing. The detractors in the media (which admittedly has died down big time, there's only like 1 or 2 left maybe) are clinging onto anything they can, even if it makes no sense.


It's interesting, because the way some of these people make it out, he's throwing 5 yard dump offs that are turning into big gains. It's almost been the exact opposite.

If anything, Haskins entire 1 season at OSU was mostly 5 yard dump offs turning into big gains. No one dinged him for that.
RE: Greg Cosell after Jones' first game  
BIG FRED 1973 : 8/23/2019 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14541717 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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indicated that the Giants were making things easy for Jones thru the types of reads he was performing. So the idea that they're "setting him up for success" is not something unfounded.
He also said that all teams do that with Rookie qb's and thats why you see more struggle in year 2 because they have more to look for
RE: Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
Diver_Down : 8/23/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14541718 robbieballs2003 said:
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.


It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.
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Strahan91 : 8/23/2019 3:50 pm : link
In comment 14541728 BIG FRED 1973 said:
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indicated that the Giants were making things easy for Jones thru the types of reads he was performing. So the idea that they're "setting him up for success" is not something unfounded.

He also said that all teams do that with Rookie qb's and thats why you see more struggle in year 2 because they have more to look for

Plus that was after the first game. That's ~16% of the sample size we have now.
If you watch Haskins highlights they run  
BSIMatt : 8/23/2019 3:50 pm : link
those mesh crossers, he's hitting guys 5-8 yards past the LOS and they are wide open by 5 yards...that's like 80% of Haskin's highlights.


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20+ air yards from the line of scrimmage
11% of all Daniel Jones attempts had 20+ air yards from the line of scrimmage.
12/44 483 yards 7 TD 2 INT 14 drops
When accounting for drops, Jones completion percentage jumps from 27% to 59%.
For reference, I’ll put out Dwayne Haskins numbers on the same throws.
10% of all Dwayne Haskins attempts had 20+ air yards from the line of scrimmage.
24/56 897 yards 14 TD 3 INT 4 drops
When accounting for drops, his completion percentage jumps from 43% to 50%.

Every Daniel Jones Deep Pass - ( New Window )
On paper Haskins should've been the #1 pick in this draft.  
bceagle05 : 8/23/2019 3:51 pm : link
Quarterback, built like a tank, big arm, incredibly productive at a powerhouse football school, coached by Urban Meyer, played well in big games - the fact that he dropped to 15 speaks volumes. Multiple teams at or near the top of the first round that needed QBs passed on him, and good teams with aging QBs (Pitt/SD/NE) didn't try to trade up for him when he supposedly "fell" into the teens. Plus, the team that drafted him is the Redskins - it's not like Danny Boy and Bruce Allen have sterling reps as talent evaluators. Clearly there's something amiss with Haskins that made the entire league take notice, and I highly doubt it's race-related.
RE: Am I the only one...  
Diver_Down : 8/23/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14541719 BamaBlue said:
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that doesn't like the moniker "Danny Dimes"? I've got nothing better, but Danny Dimes sounds like a redux of John's Bargain Stores.


+100. The Danny Dimes moniker is cringe worthy.
Also, do these folks watch NFL games nowadays?  
bceagle05 : 8/23/2019 3:54 pm : link
The entire NFL passing game has evolved to short/intermediate passes that get the ball out of the quarterbacks hands as quickly as possible. How often do you see a QB take a seven-step drop and heave a 60-yarder down the field? Every offense is designed to "protect" quarterbacks.
RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
weaverpsu : 8/23/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14541659 Diver_Down said:
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.


She is super biased. Always took anyone else's side besides Eli's as well.
RE: Also, do these folks watch NFL games nowadays?  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/23/2019 3:55 pm : link
In comment 14541739 bceagle05 said:
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The entire NFL passing game has evolved to short/intermediate passes that get the ball out of the quarterbacks hands as quickly as possible. How often do you see a QB take a seven-step drop and heave a 60-yarder down the field? Every offense is designed to "protect" quarterbacks.


Agreed. If anything, in the limited time he's played, it seems like they had Jones throw the ball deep quite a bit for the time that he played.
RE: On paper Haskins should've been the #1 pick in this draft.  
Diver_Down : 8/23/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14541735 bceagle05 said:
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Quarterback, built like a tank, big arm, incredibly productive at a powerhouse football school, coached by Urban Meyer, played well in big games - the fact that he dropped to 15 speaks volumes. Multiple teams at or near the top of the first round that needed QBs passed on him, and good teams with aging QBs (Pitt/SD/NE) didn't try to trade up for him when he supposedly "fell" into the teens. Plus, the team that drafted him is the Redskins - it's not like Danny Boy and Bruce Allen have sterling reps as talent evaluators. Clearly there's something amiss with Haskins that made the entire league take notice, and I highly doubt it's race-related.


Independent of what the draftniks were espousing, the moment Haskins lost me was at his pro-day. The combine - I noted his footwork was a mess, but he made all the throws. But at his pro-day, what I liken to as the most important job interview of his budding career, he was literally a hot mess. It showed a lack of commitment.
RE: Greg Cosell after Jones' first game  
McNally's_Nuts : 8/23/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14541717 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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indicated that the Giants were making things easy for Jones thru the types of reads he was performing. So the idea that they're "setting him up for success" is not something unfounded.


Isn’t that the mark of a good coaching staff though? I know dick about game planning but it seems the past two weeks have used more of the playbook for Jones than the first two weeks of pre-season ball.

Maybe I’m just dumb but I’m assuming it’s the coaches job to set the players up for success.
Doesn't Jones decide  
crick n NC : 8/23/2019 3:57 pm : link
Based on his reads if he throws deep? Deep routes are more than likely built into each play.
RE: Protecting Jones?  
mrvax : 8/23/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14541693 Thegratefulhead said:
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Get that shit the fuck out of here. Every damn team that takes a QB in the first round wants the QB to look good and make them look good for drafting them. The Redskins are trying just as hard to make Haskins look good, believe that. He doesn't and will not any time soon because he can't grasp the playbook by the accounts coming from his own coaching staff. Shurmur can make stuff up for Jones on the fly for Jones already because of his grasp of the offense.


I think teams plan for their rookie QBs be successful simply because they feed off of success. You want to build up the QB's self confidence as he gets ready to play football at a much higher level.
RE: Doesn't Jones decide  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/23/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14541746 crick n NC said:
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Based on his reads if he throws deep? Deep routes are more than likely built into each play.


Not sure. If so, he apparently has no fear throwing it deep.
RE: Am I Missing  
mrvax : 8/23/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14541720 lax counsel said:
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Something? Hasn't DJ been throwing the ball downfield with regularity AND completing them with some impressive accuracy? Not sure what the talking heads are referring to?


That's exactly what I see. So, either we are both dummies or the guy who cannot spell his own name correctly is a dope.
The last few posts are pretty shitty.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/23/2019 4:02 pm : link
A coach's job is to put players in a position to succeed? A QB throws the ball to where his reads dictate?

Seriously? I think NFL coaches are supposed to just go for hail mary's all the time and always have predetermined passes.


Obviously, I am being sarcastic but, yes, you guys are correct. But these idiots in the media just have to make shit up to fit their narrative hence why I cannot watch them anymore. It is beyond brutal. You have to know which people to listen to and which ones not to. And here is a clue, almost everybody on tv is there for something outside of their knowledge.
RE: Greg Cosell after Jones' first game  
BSIMatt : 8/23/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14541717 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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indicated that the Giants were making things easy for Jones thru the types of reads he was performing. So the idea that they're "setting him up for success" is not something unfounded.


And that’s literally how most of the successful offenses in the NFL function. It is literally what McVeigh does for Goff for the Rams. Coaches setting up their players to success? Are there coaches out there trying alternate approaches? Turchyn talked about this on Twitter, it wasn’t meant as a slight at Jones, it’s a common template used by some of the highest scoring teams in the league.
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crick n NC : 8/23/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14541752 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Based on his reads if he throws deep? Deep routes are more than likely built into each play.



Not sure. If so, he apparently has no fear throwing it deep.


I'm glad. A defense that doesn't have to fear the deep ball can certainly play everything in front more aggressively which affects the run game and short to intermediate pass game.
RE: The last few posts are pretty shitty.  
Nine-Tails : 8/23/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14541755 robbieballs2003 said:
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A coach's job is to put players in a position to succeed? A QB throws the ball to where his reads dictate?

Seriously? I think NFL coaches are supposed to just go for hail mary's all the time and always have predetermined passes.


Obviously, I am being sarcastic but, yes, you guys are correct. But these idiots in the media just have to make shit up to fit their narrative hence why I cannot watch them anymore. It is beyond brutal. You have to know which people to listen to and which ones not to. And here is a clue, almost everybody on tv is there for something outside of their knowledge.


For real. I’ve never seen a rookie qb success in question like with Jones. He’s doing great, and the media are trying to find ways to downplay it
RE: RE: Whats most unfortunate is that  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/23/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14541721 robbieballs2003 said:
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this Jones/Haskins thing has more to do with race than anything else, with these Cris Carter/Josina Anderson media people



Oh, just saw this. I agree with you. It is frustrating and sickening at the same time.

Go back to marble racing ffs
Yeah, the agendas couldn't be more transparent.  
bceagle05 : 8/23/2019 4:15 pm : link
If any of the following QBs - Haskins, Murray, Darnold, Josh Allen, Mayfield, Rosen - were drafted by the Giants and playing this well in preseason for them, everyone in the media would be celebrating us. They deemed those QBs acceptable. Jones, however, was deemed unacceptable, so they have to keep raising the bar on him and lowering it for the others. A truly pathetic display.
RE: RE: Greg Cosell after Jones' first game  
BSIMatt : 8/23/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14541756 BSIMatt said:
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indicated that the Giants were making things easy for Jones thru the types of reads he was performing. So the idea that they're "setting him up for success" is not something unfounded.



And that’s literally how most of the successful offenses in the NFL function. It is literally what McVeigh does for Goff for the Rams. Coaches setting up their players to success? Are there coaches out there trying alternate approaches? Turchyn talked about this on Twitter, it wasn’t meant as a slight at Jones, it’s a common template used by some of the highest scoring teams in the league.



And my issue with Riddick wasn't so much the comment about "setting him up for success" it was the insinuation that the Giants were handling him with kid gloves or had training wheels on him, while the Redskin's were somehow challenging Haskins...which I think has more to do with him covering himself for grilling the Giants over taking Jones over Haskins. Which if we are being honest, Jones should be ahead of Haskins early in his career he was a 3 year starter groomed by Cutcliffe, and Haskins one year starter..Haskins was supposed to be wet behind the ears.
RE: RE: Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/23/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14541729 Diver_Down said:
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.



It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.

It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.
I think it's fair to say ESPN pushes that narrative at times  
bceagle05 : 8/23/2019 4:35 pm : link
led by Stephen A. Smith. Race is certainly still a big issue in football - especially when it comes to coaching hires - but there's clearly something more to it with Haskins. He obviously turned a lot of people off in the months prior to the draft.
ok...so who was the QB back in 2006????  
BillKo : 8/23/2019 4:36 pm : link
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I've seen bits and pieces of Haskins..  
BillKo : 8/23/2019 4:37 pm : link
..and he looks good to me.

The difference between him and Jones is Jones looks may more polished, but Haskins has what a really strong arm.

I think both guys will end up being good players to be honest. Just different styles.
RE: RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/23/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14541662 Strahan91 said:
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.


Haskins YPA is 7.4. What a joke

This is not meant to be a defense of Haskins, and I say this knowing that even in this context, Jones's stats are better than Haskins', but in general, it's important to remember the correlation between completion percentage and YPA. Part of why Jones has a far better YPA than Haskins is because far fewer of his attempts result in zero yards (due to incompletions). If you look simply at yards per completion, Jones is still ahead of Haskins, but it's less dramatic: 14.8 vs 13.9.
RE: I've seen bits and pieces of Haskins..  
Nine-Tails : 8/23/2019 4:46 pm : link
In comment 14541796 BillKo said:
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..and he looks good to me.

The difference between him and Jones is Jones looks may more polished, but Haskins has what a really strong arm.

I think both guys will end up being good players to be honest. Just different styles.


I've seen a live arm from Haskins, it that's it really
RE: ok...so who was the QB back in 2006????  
crick n NC : 8/23/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14541793 BillKo said:
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Based on limited stats I could find I am going to say Jay Cutler
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crick n NC : 8/23/2019 4:56 pm : link
06 preseason stats
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RE: Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
Optimus-NY : 8/23/2019 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14541718 robbieballs2003 said:
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.


I wouldn't be surprised. Instead of sticking to football, outside factors cloud the discussion. Real shame.
Media types BLASTED the Jones pick  
Stan in LA : 8/23/2019 5:21 pm : link
So now they are pursuing an agenda to prove they were right despite the fact that they were wrong.

Laughable.
Damn am I glad  
mittenedman : 8/23/2019 5:22 pm : link
Gettleman did an internal audit and weeded out the Josina Anderson crew.

And +1000 on this reverse racism crap that just flies under the radar. Its completely unacceptable and both Riddick & Carter have zero credibility.
I just wish Shurmur and the Giants  
dep026 : 8/23/2019 5:23 pm : link
Stopped calling plays that get guys open and Jones completing them. It’s too much at this point.
RE: ok...so who was the QB back in 2006????  
Strahan91 : 8/23/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14541793 BillKo said:
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.......

It's thru '06. NFL.com doesn't have preseason passing stats prior to 2006. It could go back further, who knows.
.  
arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 5:40 pm : link
Is it too late for us to do better than "Danny Dimes" ?

I feel like I'd be making fun of that pretty relentlessly if this was a Cowboy or Eagle. :/

Then again, if the tradeoff for Daniel being the real deal is a corny nickname, I think I'll take that.
How about  
crick n NC : 8/23/2019 5:41 pm : link
Danny Manning??
RE: RE: RE: Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
BMac : 8/23/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14541784 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.



It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.


It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.


You're treading on dangerous ground here, and are reinforcing some very unsavory viewpoints. How about just keeping the conversation to sports?
RE: RE: RE: Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
BMac : 8/23/2019 5:42 pm : link
In comment 14541784 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.



It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.


It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.


You're treading on dangerous ground here, and are reinforcing some very unsavory viewpoints. How about just keeping the conversation to sports?
RE: Long balls  
Jay in Toronto : 8/23/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14541680 crick n NC said:
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Are inevitable the older we get

Sigh


oy!!
RE: How about  
arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 5:44 pm : link
In comment 14541868 crick n NC said:
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Danny Manning??


Yeah, I'd take DJ over Danny Dimes at this point as a nickname.  
bceagle05 : 8/23/2019 5:46 pm : link
It was funny the first time (to me, at least), but it quickly ran its course.
RE: RE: Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
Jay in Toronto : 8/23/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14541729 Diver_Down said:
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.



It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.


How do you know that they are not partially black??????
RE: RE: How about  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/23/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14541873 arcarsenal said:
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Danny Manning??





Damnit! I was just gonna post a pic of that Danny Manning.
Gotta b  
crick n NC : 8/23/2019 5:48 pm : link
Quik round dees pahts
RE: Media types BLASTED the Jones pick  
speedywheels : 8/23/2019 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14541851 Stan in LA said:
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So now they are pursuing an agenda to prove they were right despite the fact that they were wrong.
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Says the person who is QUITE familiar with that approach.
Daniel Stephen Jones III  
crick n NC : 8/23/2019 5:57 pm : link
DSJ III

I'll Probably just refer to him as
Daniel Stephen Jones III

RE: RE: RE: How about  
arcarsenal : 8/23/2019 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14541878 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Danny Manning??







Damnit! I was just gonna post a pic of that Danny Manning.


RE: Am I the only one...  
Chocco : 8/23/2019 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14541719 BamaBlue said:
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that doesn't like the moniker "Danny Dimes"? I've got nothing better, but Danny Dimes sounds like a redux of John's Bargain Stores.


"The Duke of Hurl"
RE: I've seen bits and pieces of Haskins..  
Deejboy : 8/23/2019 6:42 pm : link
In comment 14541796 BillKo said:
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..and he looks good to me.

The difference between him and Jones is Jones looks may more polished, but Haskins has what a really strong arm.

I think both guys will end up being good players to be honest. Just different styles.


Funny thing about Haskins's really strong arm is during the NFL combine velocity drills he threw 52mph to the left and right. Jones threw 54mph.
RE: On paper Haskins should've been the #1 pick in this draft.  
Deejboy : 8/23/2019 6:46 pm : link
In comment 14541735 bceagle05 said:
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Quarterback, built like a tank, big arm, incredibly productive at a powerhouse football school, coached by Urban Meyer, played well in big games - the fact that he dropped to 15 speaks volumes. Multiple teams at or near the top of the first round that needed QBs passed on him, and good teams with aging QBs (Pitt/SD/NE) didn't try to trade up for him when he supposedly "fell" into the teens. Plus, the team that drafted him is the Redskins - it's not like Danny Boy and Bruce Allen have sterling reps as talent evaluators. Clearly there's something amiss with Haskins that made the entire league take notice, and I highly doubt it's race-related.

The fact that he is considered a below average athlete and slow definitely hurt his stock. That 5.04 he ran just confirmed what everyone knew. Hell, the Eli we saw moving yesterday might beat Haskins in a race. Teams are more wary of QBs that could eat their way out of the league and Haskins will be watched closely for that. I am sure some teams wondered about his weight long term.
RE: RE: I've seen bits and pieces of Haskins..  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/23/2019 6:49 pm : link
In comment 14541912 Deejboy said:
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..and he looks good to me.

The difference between him and Jones is Jones looks may more polished, but Haskins has what a really strong arm.

I think both guys will end up being good players to be honest. Just different styles.



Funny thing about Haskins's really strong arm is during the NFL combine velocity drills he threw 52mph to the left and right. Jones threw 54mph.


Those combine numbers are pretty useless. They measure it one throw and the guys with perceived weaker arms always muster the ball in there to show they got arm strength, while the guys with stronger arms are just trying to throw accurate passes. Everyone already knows they have a strong arm.
RE: RE: Am I the only one...  
Reale01 : 8/23/2019 7:28 pm : link
In comment 14541736 Diver_Down said:
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that doesn't like the moniker "Danny Dimes"? I've got nothing better, but Danny Dimes sounds like a redux of John's Bargain Stores.



+100. The Danny Dimes moniker is cringe worthy.



I like, Daniel Stormborn - Mover of chains.
RE: RE: It's funny in that on NFL Live yesterday,  
Bill L : 8/23/2019 7:28 pm : link
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.



It amazes me the number of talking heads that just make shit up, and then speak it. Louis Riddick tried to make a similar sort of comment, something along the lines of "Giants were setting up Jones for success" and "Redskins were having Haskins push the ball downfield". Comical.

Why would a team, or a coach, set up his player for failure?
RE: Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
Bill L : 8/23/2019 7:33 pm : link
In comment 14541718 robbieballs2003 said:
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.

I don’t think that there is any question that it is.
Danny Dimes...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/23/2019 7:59 pm : link
Makes me cringe.
Anderson  
Sy'56 : 8/23/2019 8:17 pm : link
has a job at ESPN for reasons other than football. Her view on football (the game itself) are near worthless.
They have become  
crick n NC : 8/23/2019 8:19 pm : link
Worth quite a few clicks apparently
RE: RE: On paper Haskins should've been the #1 pick in this draft.  
Blue21 : 8/23/2019 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14541914 Deejboy said:
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Quarterback, built like a tank, big arm, incredibly productive at a powerhouse football school, coached by Urban Meyer, played well in big games - the fact that he dropped to 15 speaks volumes. Multiple teams at or near the top of the first round that needed QBs passed on him, and good teams with aging QBs (Pitt/SD/NE) didn't try to trade up for him when he supposedly "fell" into the teens. Plus, the team that drafted him is the Redskins - it's not like Danny Boy and Bruce Allen have sterling reps as talent evaluators. Clearly there's something amiss with Haskins that made the entire league take notice, and I highly doubt it's race-related.


The fact that he is considered a below average athlete and slow definitely hurt his stock. That 5.04 he ran just confirmed what everyone knew. Hell, the Eli we saw moving yesterday might beat Haskins in a race. Teams are more wary of QBs that could eat their way out of the league and Haskins will be watched closely for that. I am sure some teams wondered about his weight long term.


I think it hurt him also that he didn't even try to run again after the slow 40 time. Remember Jones tried to improve his 40 time. He wasn't satisfied with his intial time. I gotta believe too that Haskins may not have interviewed very well. Remember Haskins was a one year starter also.
Danny Dimes  
ron mexico : 8/23/2019 8:22 pm : link
I think there is an anti Gettleman part to the Jones  
St. Jimmy : 8/23/2019 9:30 pm : link
hate. People don't like Gettleman and want him to fail so they saw the Jones pick as a chance to attack. I think there is also an anti Duke thing involved with it too.
RE: RE: Am I the only one...  
Bluesbreaker : 8/23/2019 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14541736 Diver_Down said:
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that doesn't like the moniker "Danny Dimes"? I've got nothing better, but Danny Dimes sounds like a redux of John's Bargain Stores.



+100. The Danny Dimes moniker is cringe worthy.


Yes if I never hear Danny Dimes again I will be happy it sounds tacky or Cheesey ... Sweaty Haskins isn't exactly taking the NFL by storm . Yet on ESPN the Game recap how Haskins led the skins with three scores comeback win ..
Thats some serious fluff ..
Anti-Duke?  
bw in dc : 8/23/2019 10:31 pm : link
If Jones was a basketball player under K, perhaps.

Football at Duke? NFW.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
Prude : 8/23/2019 11:28 pm : link
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.



It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.


It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.



You're treading on dangerous ground here, and are reinforcing some very unsavory viewpoints. How about just keeping the conversation to sports?


Please please please don't tell the truth or else the narrative we have been building for 60 years could completely crumble
Now you're seeing the pushback  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/24/2019 12:17 am : link
Most people will never admit that they were wrong even with evidence staring them in the face.

These talking heads will jump through logical hoops to defend their initial assessment of Jones, and it seems they will flat out make shit up also.

The sad thing is that this isn't going to go away. Those that hated Eli day one still ragged on him after he won two championships.

Wait for it, even if Jones is a huge success the narrative with these same people will become that he is "overrated".

They will always find a way to defend a stupid position. People are petty, illogical, and predictable creatures.
RE: RE: RE: Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 8/24/2019 12:27 am : link
In comment 14541784 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.



It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.


It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.


How does this guy constantly get away with the sociopolitical commentary?

I think you're giving people way too much credit if you think there is some conspiracy at work...to promote a football player??

Protip: If your entire worldview rests on secret cabals, coverups and bogeymen you might want to consider the possibility that you are in fact living in a fantasy world that you have constructed to reinforce your own preconceived notions.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Serious question: Is this a racial thing?  
Prude : 8/24/2019 12:50 am : link
In comment 14542291 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.



It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.


It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.



How does this guy constantly get away with the sociopolitical commentary?

I think you're giving people way too much credit if you think there is some conspiracy at work...to promote a football player??

Protip: If your entire worldview rests on secret cabals, coverups and bogeymen you might want to consider the possibility that you are in fact living in a fantasy world that you have constructed to reinforce your own preconceived notions.


If you think our current sociopolitical climate just sprung up organically without leverage from the top in media and academia you are blind. In fact it's impossible, how would so many people shift away so radically from what was customary all at once, without any outside influence?

But I don't think you believe what you are saying you are just trying to mock and ridicule anyone that pushed back against your positions. You read Alinsky's ruled for radicals.
"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."


“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.”

I think you are a part of the cabal. Or you have internalized their positions.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 8/24/2019 8:10 am : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/24/2019 8:24 am : link
are a couple of posters here who seem to want to get banned. I suggest you stop now. Consider this an official warning.
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gidiefor : Mod : 8/24/2019 8:59 am : link
Eric is warning folks about making political comments or connotations -- we have a very short leash for those kind of comments
If a poster has a newly created account AND runs afoul of policy...  
Torrag : 8/24/2019 9:29 am : link
Just ban his ass. There's a 99% chance he's already on here as someone else.

I'm not sayin ban anyone that straddles the line and one of the ultra sensitive BBI SJW mods gets butthurt over it. Just to be clear.
Carson Palmer was the comp from 2006?  
mattlawson : 8/24/2019 9:31 am : link
Jones has a larger sample size. I’m thinking everyone in the mainstream needs to eat some crow


RE: Carson Palmer was the comp from 2006?  
Diver_Down : 8/24/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14542406 mattlawson said:
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Jones has a larger sample size. I’m thinking everyone in the mainstream needs to eat some crow



In due time, they all will eat some crow. Chris Simms stated yesterday his Mea Culpa that he was wrong. He was highly critical of both Eli and Dan. He has since backtracked and has been complimentary of Eli based on his performance in the preseason.

Kellerman has a huge shit burger to eat. Yesterday, he took his first taste. He still has a long way to go.
Kellerman... Yesterday, he took his first taste.  
Torrag : 8/24/2019 9:39 am : link
Haha yep. Especially guys that purport to be Giants fans. He went into attack mode against DG as if he wanted the team to be fail. Agenda based dumassery at the highest level.
RE: Carson Palmer was the comp from 2006?  
crick n NC : 8/24/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14542406 mattlawson said:
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Jones has a larger sample size. I’m thinking everyone in the mainstream needs to eat some crow



rookie preseason

I posted a link above to the complete 2006 pseason stats. My guess is Jay Cutler.
RE: RE: Carson Palmer was the comp from 2006?  
Klaatu : 8/24/2019 9:42 am : link
In comment 14542409 Diver_Down said:
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Jones has a larger sample size. I’m thinking everyone in the mainstream needs to eat some crow





In due time, they all will eat some crow. Chris Simms stated yesterday his Mea Culpa that he was wrong. He was highly critical of both Eli and Dan. He has since backtracked and has been complimentary of Eli based on his performance in the preseason.

Kellerman has a huge shit burger to eat. Yesterday, he took his first taste. He still has a long way to go.


What did Kellerman say?
One kellerman response  
crick n NC : 8/24/2019 9:46 am : link
I'm sure  
crick n NC : 8/24/2019 9:47 am : link
That was one of his more tame responses.
No, crick, I knew Max crapped all over the pick.  
Klaatu : 8/24/2019 9:49 am : link
I was asking about what he said recently.
👌  
crick n NC : 8/24/2019 9:51 am : link
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I thought it was pretty well acknowledged that Denver (and others)  
PatersonPlank : 8/24/2019 9:56 am : link
would have taken Jones before 17?
RE: RE: RE: Carson Palmer was the comp from 2006?  
Diver_Down : 8/24/2019 11:24 am : link
In comment 14542419 Klaatu said:
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Jones has a larger sample size. I’m thinking everyone in the mainstream needs to eat some crow





In due time, they all will eat some crow. Chris Simms stated yesterday his Mea Culpa that he was wrong. He was highly critical of both Eli and Dan. He has since backtracked and has been complimentary of Eli based on his performance in the preseason.

Kellerman has a huge shit burger to eat. Yesterday, he took his first taste. He still has a long way to go.



What did Kellerman say?


He has been consistent since the draft with his over-the-top condemnation of the Jones over Haskins pick. Poking fun at the senile DG. Laughing stock of the league, etc. Yesterday on First Take (it was in the last half hour of the show), there was a segment on Jones whether he should start the season. Guest speaker, Clark, took the position that Jones should be the week 1 starter. Steven A. took the position that Eli is the starter, but eventually Jones would see the field later in the season. Basically, stating that there is value in learning behind Eli. Kellerman still holding on to the position that Haskins should have been taken over Jones acquiesced that Jones has looked good. Of course, he couched the limited praise with the disclaimer that he has played against second string players, non-scheming defense, etc. He went on to say that Jones will be expected to take over as he has no faith in Eli and no receivers (he's still butt-hurt over OBJ).
Thanks, D_D.  
Klaatu : 8/24/2019 11:59 am : link
I just don't get Kellerman at all, and I certainly can't take him seriously after the way he's behaved since the draft.
RE: Thanks, D_D.  
Diver_Down : 8/24/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14542528 Klaatu said:
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I just don't get Kellerman at all, and I certainly can't take him seriously after the way he's behaved since the draft.


I don't seek him and Stephen out. It is just the only nonsense on while I'm at the gym. I can't listen to Fox News/CNN. And the Price is Right and The View aren't in my wheelhouse. I could listen to music, but when the TVs are on in front of the cardio equipment, it seems like a distraction to the music. So I listen to the two of them try and prove which one is dumber.
Kellerman has stated that Daniel Jones needs to be a HOF QB  
Zeke's Alibi : 8/24/2019 1:13 pm : link
to justify the pick. Which I thought was ridiculous. So if we drafted the reincarnation of Tony Romo it was a shit pick. Okay got it.
RE: RE: Thanks, D_D.  
Klaatu : 8/24/2019 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14542621 Diver_Down said:
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I just don't get Kellerman at all, and I certainly can't take him seriously after the way he's behaved since the draft.



I don't seek him and Stephen out. It is just the only nonsense on while I'm at the gym. I can't listen to Fox News/CNN. And the Price is Right and The View aren't in my wheelhouse. I could listen to music, but when the TVs are on in front of the cardio equipment, it seems like a distraction to the music. So I listen to the two of them try and prove which one is dumber.


Surprised. Figured you'd be a big fan of The View. :)
RE: Daniel Stephen Jones III  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2019 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14541884 crick n NC said:
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DSJ III

I'll Probably just refer to him as
Daniel Stephen Jones III


If that's his name, I'll throw in D-3
RE: Long balls  
Bill in UT : 8/24/2019 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14541680 crick n NC said:
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Are inevitable the older we get

Sigh


It's more about the sacks
Why doesn’t just DJ  
Jimmy Googs : 8/24/2019 3:15 pm : link
work for nickname?
RE: Kellerman has stated that Daniel Jones needs to be a HOF QB  
BestFeature : 8/24/2019 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14542627 Zeke's Alibi said:
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to justify the pick. Which I thought was ridiculous. So if we drafted the reincarnation of Tony Romo it was a shit pick. Okay got it.


This is a stupid argument. More top 10 QBs miss than hit. This whole he was taken 6 overall so he better be a HOFer is ridiculous. And it's 6 overall, not 1st overall.
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