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has been a giant among men this preseason.
The rookie QB is up to an 83.3 comp pct, 12.3 yds/att, and a 140.1 passer rating.
Those numbers are the highest in a rookie preseason since at least 2006 (min. 30 attempts).
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Haskins YPA is 7.4. What a joke
She's as bad as Cris Carter.
And Haskins doesn't.
It amazes me the number of talking heads that just make shit up, and then speak it. Louis Riddick tried to make a similar sort of comment, something along the lines of "Giants were setting up Jones for success" and "Redskins were having Haskins push the ball downfield". Comical.
She's a worthless piece of garbage. Nothing to see there. I don't like Cris Carter. But at least he admitted earlier today that he is impressed by Jones thus far. Fuck Josina Anderson, though.
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.
It amazes me the number of talking heads that just make shit up, and then speak it. Louis Riddick tried to make a similar sort of comment, something along the lines of "Giants were setting up Jones for success" and "Redskins were having Haskins push the ball downfield". Comical.
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.
It amazes me the number of talking heads that just make shit up, and then speak it. Louis Riddick tried to make a similar sort of comment, something along the lines of "Giants were setting up Jones for success" and "Redskins were having Haskins push the ball downfield". Comical.
It's comical, really. Jones has been the goods, he has the stats and passes the eye test. He's doing this under a lot of pressure too. I can't remember the last time I've seen the media nitpick about someone's success, and most if not all is unfounded. They're looking for something to discredit him, like its against back-ups, well yestderday disproved that, stares down his receiver, last two games disproved that.
Then with haskins or Murray, they be like I saw the flashes. Total BS.
He's doing great and seemingly a lot of people both in the press and the league see it. I'm glad he's getting well deserved praise.
There's a vocal minority who aren't paying a lot of attention -- maybe they should be paid attention to?
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.
It amazes me the number of talking heads that just make shit up, and then speak it. Louis Riddick tried to make a similar sort of comment, something along the lines of "Giants were setting up Jones for success" and "Redskins were having Haskins push the ball downfield". Comical.
You and I watched the same segment. Riddick led with his comments and Josina chimed in with a supporting opinion of Riddick's comments.
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Oh, just saw this. I agree with you. It is frustrating and sickening at the same time.
Yes. He's thrown it deep, intermediate, and short. Which makes sense considering, you know, at different points in an NFL regular season game, sometimes you have to throw it deep, sometimes intermediate, and sometimes short.
It's all ado about nothing. The detractors in the media (which admittedly has died down big time, there's only like 1 or 2 left maybe) are clinging onto anything they can, even if it makes no sense.
Jones was more accurate than Haskin on long balls in college, and that's continued in the pros. He throws a better long ball than Haskins.
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Something? Hasn't DJ been throwing the ball downfield with regularity AND completing them with some impressive accuracy? Not sure what the talking heads are referring to?
Yes. He's thrown it deep, intermediate, and short. Which makes sense considering, you know, at different points in an NFL regular season game, sometimes you have to throw it deep, sometimes intermediate, and sometimes short.
It's all ado about nothing. The detractors in the media (which admittedly has died down big time, there's only like 1 or 2 left maybe) are clinging onto anything they can, even if it makes no sense.
It's interesting, because the way some of these people make it out, he's throwing 5 yard dump offs that are turning into big gains. It's almost been the exact opposite.
If anything, Haskins entire 1 season at OSU was mostly 5 yard dump offs turning into big gains. No one dinged him for that.
It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.
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indicated that the Giants were making things easy for Jones thru the types of reads he was performing. So the idea that they're "setting him up for success" is not something unfounded.
He also said that all teams do that with Rookie qb's and thats why you see more struggle in year 2 because they have more to look for
Plus that was after the first game. That's ~16% of the sample size we have now.
20+ air yards from the line of scrimmage
11% of all Daniel Jones attempts had 20+ air yards from the line of scrimmage.
12/44 483 yards 7 TD 2 INT 14 drops
When accounting for drops, Jones completion percentage jumps from 27% to 59%.
For reference, I’ll put out Dwayne Haskins numbers on the same throws.
10% of all Dwayne Haskins attempts had 20+ air yards from the line of scrimmage.
24/56 897 yards 14 TD 3 INT 4 drops
When accounting for drops, his completion percentage jumps from 43% to 50%.
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+100. The Danny Dimes moniker is cringe worthy.
She is super biased. Always took anyone else's side besides Eli's as well.
Agreed. If anything, in the limited time he's played, it seems like they had Jones throw the ball deep quite a bit for the time that he played.
Independent of what the draftniks were espousing, the moment Haskins lost me was at his pro-day. The combine - I noted his footwork was a mess, but he made all the throws. But at his pro-day, what I liken to as the most important job interview of his budding career, he was literally a hot mess. It showed a lack of commitment.
Isn’t that the mark of a good coaching staff though? I know dick about game planning but it seems the past two weeks have used more of the playbook for Jones than the first two weeks of pre-season ball.
Maybe I’m just dumb but I’m assuming it’s the coaches job to set the players up for success.
I think teams plan for their rookie QBs be successful simply because they feed off of success. You want to build up the QB's self confidence as he gets ready to play football at a much higher level.
Not sure. If so, he apparently has no fear throwing it deep.
That's exactly what I see. So, either we are both dummies or the guy who cannot spell his own name correctly is a dope.
Seriously? I think NFL coaches are supposed to just go for hail mary's all the time and always have predetermined passes.
Obviously, I am being sarcastic but, yes, you guys are correct. But these idiots in the media just have to make shit up to fit their narrative hence why I cannot watch them anymore. It is beyond brutal. You have to know which people to listen to and which ones not to. And here is a clue, almost everybody on tv is there for something outside of their knowledge.
And that’s literally how most of the successful offenses in the NFL function. It is literally what McVeigh does for Goff for the Rams. Coaches setting up their players to success? Are there coaches out there trying alternate approaches? Turchyn talked about this on Twitter, it wasn’t meant as a slight at Jones, it’s a common template used by some of the highest scoring teams in the league.
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Based on his reads if he throws deep? Deep routes are more than likely built into each play.
Not sure. If so, he apparently has no fear throwing it deep.
I'm glad. A defense that doesn't have to fear the deep ball can certainly play everything in front more aggressively which affects the run game and short to intermediate pass game.
Seriously? I think NFL coaches are supposed to just go for hail mary's all the time and always have predetermined passes.
Obviously, I am being sarcastic but, yes, you guys are correct. But these idiots in the media just have to make shit up to fit their narrative hence why I cannot watch them anymore. It is beyond brutal. You have to know which people to listen to and which ones not to. And here is a clue, almost everybody on tv is there for something outside of their knowledge.
For real. I’ve never seen a rookie qb success in question like with Jones. He’s doing great, and the media are trying to find ways to downplay it
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this Jones/Haskins thing has more to do with race than anything else, with these Cris Carter/Josina Anderson media people
Oh, just saw this. I agree with you. It is frustrating and sickening at the same time.
Go back to marble racing ffs
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indicated that the Giants were making things easy for Jones thru the types of reads he was performing. So the idea that they're "setting him up for success" is not something unfounded.
And that’s literally how most of the successful offenses in the NFL function. It is literally what McVeigh does for Goff for the Rams. Coaches setting up their players to success? Are there coaches out there trying alternate approaches? Turchyn talked about this on Twitter, it wasn’t meant as a slight at Jones, it’s a common template used by some of the highest scoring teams in the league.
And my issue with Riddick wasn't so much the comment about "setting him up for success" it was the insinuation that the Giants were handling him with kid gloves or had training wheels on him, while the Redskin's were somehow challenging Haskins...which I think has more to do with him covering himself for grilling the Giants over taking Jones over Haskins. Which if we are being honest, Jones should be ahead of Haskins early in his career he was a 3 year starter groomed by Cutcliffe, and Haskins one year starter..Haskins was supposed to be wet behind the ears.
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.
It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.
It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.
The difference between him and Jones is Jones looks may more polished, but Haskins has what a really strong arm.
I think both guys will end up being good players to be honest. Just different styles.
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.
Haskins YPA is 7.4. What a joke
This is not meant to be a defense of Haskins, and I say this knowing that even in this context, Jones's stats are better than Haskins', but in general, it's important to remember the correlation between completion percentage and YPA. Part of why Jones has a far better YPA than Haskins is because far fewer of his attempts result in zero yards (due to incompletions). If you look simply at yards per completion, Jones is still ahead of Haskins, but it's less dramatic: 14.8 vs 13.9.
The difference between him and Jones is Jones looks may more polished, but Haskins has what a really strong arm.
I think both guys will end up being good players to be honest. Just different styles.
I've seen a live arm from Haskins, it that's it really
Based on limited stats I could find I am going to say Jay Cutler
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I wouldn't be surprised. Instead of sticking to football, outside factors cloud the discussion. Real shame.
Laughable.
And +1000 on this reverse racism crap that just flies under the radar. Its completely unacceptable and both Riddick & Carter have zero credibility.
It's thru '06. NFL.com doesn't have preseason passing stats prior to 2006. It could go back further, who knows.
I feel like I'd be making fun of that pretty relentlessly if this was a Cowboy or Eagle. :/
Then again, if the tradeoff for Daniel being the real deal is a corny nickname, I think I'll take that.
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.
It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.
It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.
You're treading on dangerous ground here, and are reinforcing some very unsavory viewpoints. How about just keeping the conversation to sports?
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In comment 14541718 robbieballs2003 said:
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.
It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.
It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.
You're treading on dangerous ground here, and are reinforcing some very unsavory viewpoints. How about just keeping the conversation to sports?
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.
It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.
How do you know that they are not partially black??????
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Danny Manning??
Damnit! I was just gonna post a pic of that Danny Manning.
Says the person who is QUITE familiar with that approach.
I'll Probably just refer to him as
Daniel Stephen Jones III
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Danny Manning??
Damnit! I was just gonna post a pic of that Danny Manning.
"The Duke of Hurl"
The difference between him and Jones is Jones looks may more polished, but Haskins has what a really strong arm.
I think both guys will end up being good players to be honest. Just different styles.
Funny thing about Haskins's really strong arm is during the NFL combine velocity drills he threw 52mph to the left and right. Jones threw 54mph.
The fact that he is considered a below average athlete and slow definitely hurt his stock. That 5.04 he ran just confirmed what everyone knew. Hell, the Eli we saw moving yesterday might beat Haskins in a race. Teams are more wary of QBs that could eat their way out of the league and Haskins will be watched closely for that. I am sure some teams wondered about his weight long term.
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..and he looks good to me.
The difference between him and Jones is Jones looks may more polished, but Haskins has what a really strong arm.
I think both guys will end up being good players to be honest. Just different styles.
Funny thing about Haskins's really strong arm is during the NFL combine velocity drills he threw 52mph to the left and right. Jones threw 54mph.
Those combine numbers are pretty useless. They measure it one throw and the guys with perceived weaker arms always muster the ball in there to show they got arm strength, while the guys with stronger arms are just trying to throw accurate passes. Everyone already knows they have a strong arm.
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that doesn't like the moniker "Danny Dimes"? I've got nothing better, but Danny Dimes sounds like a redux of John's Bargain Stores.
+100. The Danny Dimes moniker is cringe worthy.
I like, Daniel Stormborn - Mover of chains.
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Josina had made the comment that the Giants were protecting DJ by having him throwing mostly slants. She countered that Haskins was really pushing the ball down the field and it was an indicator of what should be expected by an NFL QB. She couldn't be more biased in her comments. She doesn't even realize that DJ has a high YPA.
It amazes me the number of talking heads that just make shit up, and then speak it. Louis Riddick tried to make a similar sort of comment, something along the lines of "Giants were setting up Jones for success" and "Redskins were having Haskins push the ball downfield". Comical.
Why would a team, or a coach, set up his player for failure?
I don’t think that there is any question that it is.
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Quarterback, built like a tank, big arm, incredibly productive at a powerhouse football school, coached by Urban Meyer, played well in big games - the fact that he dropped to 15 speaks volumes. Multiple teams at or near the top of the first round that needed QBs passed on him, and good teams with aging QBs (Pitt/SD/NE) didn't try to trade up for him when he supposedly "fell" into the teens. Plus, the team that drafted him is the Redskins - it's not like Danny Boy and Bruce Allen have sterling reps as talent evaluators. Clearly there's something amiss with Haskins that made the entire league take notice, and I highly doubt it's race-related.
The fact that he is considered a below average athlete and slow definitely hurt his stock. That 5.04 he ran just confirmed what everyone knew. Hell, the Eli we saw moving yesterday might beat Haskins in a race. Teams are more wary of QBs that could eat their way out of the league and Haskins will be watched closely for that. I am sure some teams wondered about his weight long term.
I think it hurt him also that he didn't even try to run again after the slow 40 time. Remember Jones tried to improve his 40 time. He wasn't satisfied with his intial time. I gotta believe too that Haskins may not have interviewed very well. Remember Haskins was a one year starter also.
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that doesn't like the moniker "Danny Dimes"? I've got nothing better, but Danny Dimes sounds like a redux of John's Bargain Stores.
+100. The Danny Dimes moniker is cringe worthy.
Yes if I never hear Danny Dimes again I will be happy it sounds tacky or Cheesey ... Sweaty Haskins isn't exactly taking the NFL by storm . Yet on ESPN the Game recap how Haskins led the skins with three scores comeback win ..
Thats some serious fluff ..
Football at Duke? NFW.
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.
It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.
It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.
You're treading on dangerous ground here, and are reinforcing some very unsavory viewpoints. How about just keeping the conversation to sports?
Please please please don't tell the truth or else the narrative we have been building for 60 years could completely crumble
These talking heads will jump through logical hoops to defend their initial assessment of Jones, and it seems they will flat out make shit up also.
The sad thing is that this isn't going to go away. Those that hated Eli day one still ragged on him after he won two championships.
Wait for it, even if Jones is a huge success the narrative with these same people will become that he is "overrated".
They will always find a way to defend a stupid position. People are petty, illogical, and predictable creatures.
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.
It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.
It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.
How does this guy constantly get away with the sociopolitical commentary?
I think you're giving people way too much credit if you think there is some conspiracy at work...to promote a football player??
Protip: If your entire worldview rests on secret cabals, coverups and bogeymen you might want to consider the possibility that you are in fact living in a fantasy world that you have constructed to reinforce your own preconceived notions.
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The reason I say that is it was brought up that the Giants were racist for drafting Daniel Jones. Now that Jones is playing extremely well and Haskins okay at best it sounds like these talking head are trying to stick up for their guy in Haskins and finding more made up shit about the Giants and Jones.
It is my perception, also. It is hard to make the claim without being labeled a racist. But I don't think it is a coincidence that Josina/Riddick/Haskins are all black - A sort of reverse discrimination. If Jones were black and Haskins white, I wonder if they would still share the same commentary.
It's definitely a concerted company wide effort on the part of ESPN. Some kind of social justice project trying to promote entitlement.
How does this guy constantly get away with the sociopolitical commentary?
I think you're giving people way too much credit if you think there is some conspiracy at work...to promote a football player??
Protip: If your entire worldview rests on secret cabals, coverups and bogeymen you might want to consider the possibility that you are in fact living in a fantasy world that you have constructed to reinforce your own preconceived notions.
If you think our current sociopolitical climate just sprung up organically without leverage from the top in media and academia you are blind. In fact it's impossible, how would so many people shift away so radically from what was customary all at once, without any outside influence?
But I don't think you believe what you are saying you are just trying to mock and ridicule anyone that pushed back against your positions. You read Alinsky's ruled for radicals.
"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.”
I think you are a part of the cabal. Or you have internalized their positions.
I'm not sayin ban anyone that straddles the line and one of the ultra sensitive BBI SJW mods gets butthurt over it. Just to be clear.
In due time, they all will eat some crow. Chris Simms stated yesterday his Mea Culpa that he was wrong. He was highly critical of both Eli and Dan. He has since backtracked and has been complimentary of Eli based on his performance in the preseason.
Kellerman has a huge shit burger to eat. Yesterday, he took his first taste. He still has a long way to go.
rookie preseason
I posted a link above to the complete 2006 pseason stats. My guess is Jay Cutler.
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Jones has a larger sample size. I’m thinking everyone in the mainstream needs to eat some crow
In due time, they all will eat some crow. Chris Simms stated yesterday his Mea Culpa that he was wrong. He was highly critical of both Eli and Dan. He has since backtracked and has been complimentary of Eli based on his performance in the preseason.
Kellerman has a huge shit burger to eat. Yesterday, he took his first taste. He still has a long way to go.
What did Kellerman say?
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Jones has a larger sample size. I’m thinking everyone in the mainstream needs to eat some crow
In due time, they all will eat some crow. Chris Simms stated yesterday his Mea Culpa that he was wrong. He was highly critical of both Eli and Dan. He has since backtracked and has been complimentary of Eli based on his performance in the preseason.
Kellerman has a huge shit burger to eat. Yesterday, he took his first taste. He still has a long way to go.
What did Kellerman say?
He has been consistent since the draft with his over-the-top condemnation of the Jones over Haskins pick. Poking fun at the senile DG. Laughing stock of the league, etc. Yesterday on First Take (it was in the last half hour of the show), there was a segment on Jones whether he should start the season. Guest speaker, Clark, took the position that Jones should be the week 1 starter. Steven A. took the position that Eli is the starter, but eventually Jones would see the field later in the season. Basically, stating that there is value in learning behind Eli. Kellerman still holding on to the position that Haskins should have been taken over Jones acquiesced that Jones has looked good. Of course, he couched the limited praise with the disclaimer that he has played against second string players, non-scheming defense, etc. He went on to say that Jones will be expected to take over as he has no faith in Eli and no receivers (he's still butt-hurt over OBJ).
I don't seek him and Stephen out. It is just the only nonsense on while I'm at the gym. I can't listen to Fox News/CNN. And the Price is Right and The View aren't in my wheelhouse. I could listen to music, but when the TVs are on in front of the cardio equipment, it seems like a distraction to the music. So I listen to the two of them try and prove which one is dumber.
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I just don't get Kellerman at all, and I certainly can't take him seriously after the way he's behaved since the draft.
I don't seek him and Stephen out. It is just the only nonsense on while I'm at the gym. I can't listen to Fox News/CNN. And the Price is Right and The View aren't in my wheelhouse. I could listen to music, but when the TVs are on in front of the cardio equipment, it seems like a distraction to the music. So I listen to the two of them try and prove which one is dumber.
Surprised. Figured you'd be a big fan of The View. :)
I'll Probably just refer to him as
Daniel Stephen Jones III
If that's his name, I'll throw in D-3
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It's more about the sacks
This is a stupid argument. More top 10 QBs miss than hit. This whole he was taken 6 overall so he better be a HOFer is ridiculous. And it's 6 overall, not 1st overall.