He’s shown enough these last 3 games where one of the teams, giants possibly included, would have moved up to get him.
Isn’t it funny and ironic that the giants very well may have gotten the last laugh on another qb that they never should have drafted? It’s 2004 all over again. Good stuff.
Maybe the “analysts”, funny word, since most don’t analyze shit they just stir shit up, should actually analyze things before they talk shit.
DG played the league like a fiddle, likely a bidding war if anyone remotely knew Giants were interested. Lol could have gotten Jets GM fired for not getting a haul of picks.
But the real concern with him is arm strength. He’s 47-64 for only 414 yds, while DJ is 25-30 for 369 yds ... Finley might go a bit higher in a redo but the concern is still there. Grier and a Lock have shown nothing so they would probably slide... Murray and Haskins have been inconsistent but too early to tell.
On the other hand DJ has done everything well and his future looks very bright. He was properly slotted at 6.
Stidham in NE ... what can you say ...they do it with mirrors up there.
RE: Right now I’d rather have Jones than the quarterbacks on any Â
Good point. Right now I agree although it's still early.As far as the OP's question I still say 6th but a chance Denver gives up a bunch and jumps ahead of 6 to grab him.
Jones has been playing againts better Defenses than anything Â
college FB has to offer.
So I would argue that his pre-season tape is more valuable.
So, yeah, he would be going higher at this point. The Jets GM may still have a job...
again this is very close to his college tape. I admit I can't comp to other QBs since I don't watch much college. But watch Duke games, you see A LOT of this on tape
So IMO 'knowing what we know now' - we knew this...or at least he had a legit chance to make a successful jump. This is just confirmation & continuation at the NFL level so far, as well as proof of being a top 2019 QB pick
It just amazes me how so many who had an opinion (really in either direction) are so surprised he's accurate, and ball placement, level headed, can handle pressure, and is able to take a hit...all things you'd want to see in a QB prospect as it is...but what you SAW w/ DJ and why he was a legit 1st round pick and viable #6. Otherwise I'm not sure watching that tape how people can be SURE he's a career backup or NOT a winning / franchise QB
I feel like nothing changes but the bitching & shit analysis of the #6 pick and therefore he'd have been in the convo as a possible #1 pick. Certainly AZ could look back and regret, if Murray doesn't pan out...
RE: RE: Right now I’d rather have Jones than the quarterbacks on any Â
I really like jones of the others only I would consider is darnold. I was a saquon guy but if he was gone than I wanted darnold win win either way for us. Never wanted baker. Baker is a dick and that will be his downfall imo.
Darnold is showing signs of being really good might even get a ring but jones has the feeling he could be special. Not just with how he’s played and ball placement etc. they way the team around him rallies behind him and seems to get pumped up with everything he does is something I haven’t seen in a long time not even with Eli. Maybe it’s just all the comments causing it but it’s awesome seeing it
DG played the league like a fiddle, likely a bidding war if anyone remotely knew Giants were interested. Lol could have gotten Jets GM fired for not getting a haul of picks.
Yup. And yet some in the media and even several Giants fans here and elsewhere felt compelled to label DG a liar and an asshole...as if telegraphing the Jones pick would have been smart
I don't believe he was ever getting out of the Top 10... Â
based on the information that filtered out after the Draft ie Cutcliffe comments, the warroom video that surfaced etc. We took him at #6 so ultimately there wouldn't have been much difference.
Poor receivers at Duke really screwed Jones rating. Â
They dropped more balls than anyone else not to mention their athleticism to get open at all. Duke is a basketball first school. everyone knows that. Talented FB players do knot consider even going there. We were Lucy to get Jones at all from what we have seen so far. Great job by DG and his staff in the last 2 drafts.
Horses for courses. Jones was a better fit for Shurmur’s offense than Â
I really like jones of the others only I would consider is darnold. I was a saquon guy but if he was gone than I wanted darnold win win either way for us. Never wanted baker. Baker is a dick and that will be his downfall imo.
Darnold is showing signs of being really good might even get a ring but jones has the feeling he could be special. Not just with how he’s played and ball placement etc. they way the team around him rallies behind him and seems to get pumped up with everything he does is something I haven’t seen in a long time not even with Eli. Maybe it’s just all the comments causing it but it’s awesome seeing it
I like Darnold a lot, but there does seem to be something about Jones. I don’t think you can luck into what Jones has shown since he’s been a Giants, including mini camp and during camp. There’s a long way to go and I hope he continues to develop.
RE: Where would Finley and Stidham have been drafted? Â
My guess is probably a lot earlier than 104 and 133.
Finley I’m sold on, Stidham, need to see a lot more. I know you can say this about all QB’s, but every qb responds differently to pressure, but at Auburn, he struggled greatly if there was any kind of pressure in his face.
RE: RE: Right now I’d rather have Jones than the quarterbacks on any Â
1st) Jones - I like tall, cerebral, fast, pocket QBs who can see over the line and look at everything unfolding and can throw a ball that won't be tipped. Able to run fast, but used very sparingly, maybe once a game, twice tops.
2nd) Darnold - he's right up there with the tall ones, but still a couple of inches shorter than Jones. He's going to be a good one and checks off most of the boxes. I don't know if he can run as fast as Jones.
3rd) Murray - very talented guy, but short as shit. Runs a lot which means his career will probably be a short one. Can't see over the line so likely to run too often.
4th) Haskins - has the height and arm for a pocket QB, but not nimble on his feet. Not fleet of foot which means he'll probably be around the league for a long time. I question how cerebral he is when diagnosing ever changing complicated defenses on the fly.
5th) Rosen - at 6'4", he's got good height. Erratic thrower, questionable attitude. Not sure he has the internal drive to be a great QB. Seems like he likes the money, but his head isn't necessarily all about football
6th) Mayfield - at 6'1", he's middle of the pack for height. Seems to have the "it" factor when it comes to just plain balling. Don't like his mouth, especially after this past week criticizing my man Jones
RE: I don't believe he was ever getting out of the Top 10... Â
based on the information that filtered out after the Draft ie Cutcliffe comments, the warroom video that surfaced etc. We took him at #6 so ultimately there wouldn't have been much difference.
I didn’t see the war room video. Do you have a link?
They dropped more balls than anyone else not to mention their athleticism to get open at all. Duke is a basketball first school. everyone knows that. Talented FB players do knot consider even going there. We were Lucy to get Jones at all from what we have seen so far. Great job by DG and his staff in the last 2 drafts.
The Duke offensive targets had several drops -- but 2 of Jone's WRs from his last year at Duke are on NFL rosters right now.
Let's not make it out like he was playing with a pack of no ones.
I don't care what other teams might have taken him.
I would've taken Ed Oliver.
Have no idea what will turn out. But the Op asked. ANd I wouldn't have done anything different than what I said above.
I thought the OP was asking a broader question about how the league now views DJ with these 3 preseason games in the can. And with that, would Jones go higher, lower or the same.
I still think he goes #6 to NYG. Everyone in between Arizona and the Giants were hunting other needs.
Now that everybody sees all the crap the Giants took Â
they spent a lot of time scouting QBs this off-season. It’s easy to look at college game tape and see flaws, especially with the Oline and WRs he had. He’s a gifted QB IMO. Could we of gotten him at 17? It’s very questionable and apparently one risk the Giants weren’t willing to take?! It’s possible that we could of had Josh Allen and DJones, but Giants felt that they had to grab him before it was too late. What’s not to like about this kid? He’s bright, athletic and can make all the throws accurately. He handles adversity well too and in NY, that’s an extremely important trait! I think he definitely warranted the 6th overall pick and has proven that even more so now. If the Giants were to get a Mulligan and redo the draft, I think they’d still draft DJones at 6.
Darnold. Twitchy quick in pocket and escapability while looking downfield is pretty special. Strong accurate arm. Like what we see in Jones but he does need to show better with pocket collapsing and move quickly like Darnold. Seems faster than Darnold in straight ahead speed and might have better touch butDarnold has stronger arm. Seems like both have bright futures and looking forward to great about play on both teams. This from a guy who rooted for colts over jets in super bowl as a kid. Did want darnold over Barkley last year.
RE: I don't believe he was ever getting out of the Top 10... Â
based on the information that filtered out after the Draft ie Cutcliffe comments, the warroom video that surfaced etc. We took him at #6 so ultimately there wouldn't have been much difference.
I don't care what other teams might have taken him.
I would've taken Ed Oliver.
Have no idea what will turn out. But the Op asked. ANd I wouldn't have done anything different than what I said above.
I thought the OP was asking a broader question about how the league now views DJ with these 3 preseason games in the can. And with that, would Jones go higher, lower or the same.
I still think he goes #6 to NYG. Everyone in between Arizona and the Giants were hunting other needs.
I didn;t think so. He used the word "We." I would guess "we" meant here on BBI.
But whatever.
RE: RE: Poor receivers at Duke really screwed Jones rating. Â
They dropped more balls than anyone else not to mention their athleticism to get open at all. Duke is a basketball first school. everyone knows that. Talented FB players do knot consider even going there. We were Lucy to get Jones at all from what we have seen so far. Great job by DG and his staff in the last 2 drafts.
The Duke offensive targets had several drops -- but 2 of Jone's WRs from his last year at Duke are on NFL rosters right now.
Let's not make it out like he was playing with a pack of no ones.
Not one single player from Duke while Daniel Jones was playing there was drafted. ZERO!!
So, you can talk about 2 wide receivers on teams right now, but they were undrafted. T.J Rahming was cut by the Redskins. Let me say that again..,the wide receiver deficient Redskins cut him and he was signed by the dolphins 3 days ago.
Let's see what Duke wide receivers remain on a teams roster after the cut downs and then talk.
Darnold. Twitchy quick in pocket and escapability while looking downfield is pretty special. Strong accurate arm. Like what we see in Jones but he does need to show better with pocket collapsing and move quickly like Darnold. Seems faster than Darnold in straight ahead speed and might have better touch butDarnold has stronger arm. Seems like both have bright futures and looking forward to great about play on both teams. This from a guy who rooted for colts over jets in super bowl as a kid. Did want darnold over Barkley last year.
I like Darnolds escapability, but he can look downfield all he wants, he struggles with accuracy downfield...it was a weakness of his in college and it continued in his rookie year. Darnolds calling card was accuracy in the intermediate range(under 20 yards)..coming out. After watching Jones throw with the Giants I think Darnold has nothing on him in terms of arm strength.
Jones was ranked second among draft eligible QBs by PFF behind only Kyler Murray, for performance on pressured pass attempts, and he was pressured more often than many of the top prospects. So playing in a dirty pocket with bodies coming at him isn’t something foreign to him. I think it’s a matter of whether the quarterback sees the pressure or not. If he gets blindsided it’s hard to put it on the QB.
Jones was ranked second among draft eligible QBs by PFF behind only Kyler Murray, for performance on pressured pass attempts, and he was pressured more often than many of the top prospects. So playing in a dirty pocket with bodies coming at him isn’t something foreign to him. I think it’s a matter of whether the quarterback sees the pressure or not. If he gets blindsided it’s hard to put it on the QB.
yup. What I saw in games was he can take hits, throw while getting plastered, honestly that Clemson game was worse for him than SF for Eli
That's why I find it funny that people are so surprised when he does what he does, or that he "can't" do things he's already shown, just at the NFL level. The talk of 'no pressure' in preseason, sure it's valid. But lets not act like he hasn't handled a shitload of pressure before. Having seen it at Duke, has to help him translate that skill to the NFL level more than those who haven't, even independent of the results (which weren't bad anyway iirc)
Again no guarantees, but he's done A LOT of what we're seeing him do now. And to me certainly speaks positively to translating to the NFL when shit gets real
Like what we see in Jones but he does need to show better with pocket collapsing
Go back and watch those plays, specificall the first strip sack. He has the protections called correctly and he had a 3-on-2 mismatch on the right side of the OL. There is no reason for him to believe that there might be pressire coming from his right, nevermind a free runner. He was right to keep his eyes downfiled. The OL failed him.
Isn’t it funny and ironic that the giants very well may have gotten the last laugh on another qb that they never should have drafted? It’s 2004 all over again. Good stuff.
Maybe the “analysts”, funny word, since most don’t analyze shit they just stir shit up, should actually analyze things before they talk shit.
Sounds about right
Gun to you head. Pick one.
Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Murray, Jones, sweaty Haskins.
GO.
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Of the teams who picked ahead of us.
Gun to you head. Pick one.
Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Murray, Jones, sweaty Haskins.
GO.
Watched quite a bit of the Bills and lions game last night
Josh Allen has a ways to go as well .
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Sixth
Sounds about right
Sure. Jones hasn’t shown anything this month. Teams don’t care how a prospect looks in August.
What color is the sun on your planet?
On the other hand DJ has done everything well and his future looks very bright. He was properly slotted at 6.
Stidham in NE ... what can you say ...they do it with mirrors up there.
Good point. Right now I agree although it's still early.As far as the OP's question I still say 6th but a chance Denver gives up a bunch and jumps ahead of 6 to grab him.
So I would argue that his pre-season tape is more valuable.
So, yeah, he would be going higher at this point. The Jets GM may still have a job...
So IMO 'knowing what we know now' - we knew this...or at least he had a legit chance to make a successful jump. This is just confirmation & continuation at the NFL level so far, as well as proof of being a top 2019 QB pick
It just amazes me how so many who had an opinion (really in either direction) are so surprised he's accurate, and ball placement, level headed, can handle pressure, and is able to take a hit...all things you'd want to see in a QB prospect as it is...but what you SAW w/ DJ and why he was a legit 1st round pick and viable #6. Otherwise I'm not sure watching that tape how people can be SURE he's a career backup or NOT a winning / franchise QB
I feel like nothing changes but the bitching & shit analysis of the #6 pick and therefore he'd have been in the convo as a possible #1 pick. Certainly AZ could look back and regret, if Murray doesn't pan out...
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Of the teams who picked ahead of us.
Gun to you head. Pick one.
Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Murray, Jones, sweaty Haskins.
GO.
I really like jones of the others only I would consider is darnold. I was a saquon guy but if he was gone than I wanted darnold win win either way for us. Never wanted baker. Baker is a dick and that will be his downfall imo.
Darnold is showing signs of being really good might even get a ring but jones has the feeling he could be special. Not just with how he’s played and ball placement etc. they way the team around him rallies behind him and seems to get pumped up with everything he does is something I haven’t seen in a long time not even with Eli. Maybe it’s just all the comments causing it but it’s awesome seeing it
Yup. And yet some in the media and even several Giants fans here and elsewhere felt compelled to label DG a liar and an asshole...as if telegraphing the Jones pick would have been smart
Imagine Haskins in Shurmur’s offense. Worse fit than Eli.
What do you do when there is no fit between QB and the HC’s offense? It is called a “McAdoo”.
Was ARIZONA out of its mind to pick a HC just based on his offense and scheme fit to the consensus #1 pick?
so it was still reached.
lol
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Of the teams who picked ahead of us.
Gun to you head. Pick one.
Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Murray, Jones, sweaty Haskins.
GO.
I really like jones of the others only I would consider is darnold. I was a saquon guy but if he was gone than I wanted darnold win win either way for us. Never wanted baker. Baker is a dick and that will be his downfall imo.
Darnold is showing signs of being really good might even get a ring but jones has the feeling he could be special. Not just with how he’s played and ball placement etc. they way the team around him rallies behind him and seems to get pumped up with everything he does is something I haven’t seen in a long time not even with Eli. Maybe it’s just all the comments causing it but it’s awesome seeing it
I like Darnold a lot, but there does seem to be something about Jones. I don’t think you can luck into what Jones has shown since he’s been a Giants, including mini camp and during camp. There’s a long way to go and I hope he continues to develop.
Finley I’m sold on, Stidham, need to see a lot more. I know you can say this about all QB’s, but every qb responds differently to pressure, but at Auburn, he struggled greatly if there was any kind of pressure in his face.
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Of the teams who picked ahead of us.
Gun to you head. Pick one.
Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Murray, Jones, sweaty Haskins.
GO.
My choices and reasons behind them:
1st) Jones - I like tall, cerebral, fast, pocket QBs who can see over the line and look at everything unfolding and can throw a ball that won't be tipped. Able to run fast, but used very sparingly, maybe once a game, twice tops.
2nd) Darnold - he's right up there with the tall ones, but still a couple of inches shorter than Jones. He's going to be a good one and checks off most of the boxes. I don't know if he can run as fast as Jones.
3rd) Murray - very talented guy, but short as shit. Runs a lot which means his career will probably be a short one. Can't see over the line so likely to run too often.
4th) Haskins - has the height and arm for a pocket QB, but not nimble on his feet. Not fleet of foot which means he'll probably be around the league for a long time. I question how cerebral he is when diagnosing ever changing complicated defenses on the fly.
5th) Rosen - at 6'4", he's got good height. Erratic thrower, questionable attitude. Not sure he has the internal drive to be a great QB. Seems like he likes the money, but his head isn't necessarily all about football
6th) Mayfield - at 6'1", he's middle of the pack for height. Seems to have the "it" factor when it comes to just plain balling. Don't like his mouth, especially after this past week criticizing my man Jones
I didn’t see the war room video. Do you have a link?
That said, Holy crap am I impressed with Finley. That guy is going to be good.
Murray still goes #1 purely because of Kingsbury.
I would've taken Ed Oliver.
https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/20/espn-pegs-ed-oliver-buffalo-bills-training-camp-mvp/
The next pick I would've takne Andre Dillard:
https://phillysportsnetwork.com/2019/08/21/dil-2/
In 2nd round I would've traded for Josh Rosen.
https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/24/next-gen-stats-compares-dolphins-qb-contenders-after-3-preseason-games/
Have no idea what will turn out. But the Op asked. ANd I wouldn't have done anything different than what I said above.
The Duke offensive targets had several drops -- but 2 of Jone's WRs from his last year at Duke are on NFL rosters right now.
Let's not make it out like he was playing with a pack of no ones.
I would've taken Ed Oliver.
Have no idea what will turn out. But the Op asked. ANd I wouldn't have done anything different than what I said above.
I thought the OP was asking a broader question about how the league now views DJ with these 3 preseason games in the can. And with that, would Jones go higher, lower or the same.
I still think he goes #6 to NYG. Everyone in between Arizona and the Giants were hunting other needs.
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Of the teams who picked ahead of us.
Gun to you head. Pick one.
Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Murray, Jones, sweaty Haskins.
GO.
Darnold. Twitchy quick in pocket and escapability while looking downfield is pretty special. Strong accurate arm. Like what we see in Jones but he does need to show better with pocket collapsing and move quickly like Darnold. Seems faster than Darnold in straight ahead speed and might have better touch butDarnold has stronger arm. Seems like both have bright futures and looking forward to great about play on both teams. This from a guy who rooted for colts over jets in super bowl as a kid. Did want darnold over Barkley last year.
what warroom video?
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I don't care what other teams might have taken him.
I would've taken Ed Oliver.
Have no idea what will turn out. But the Op asked. ANd I wouldn't have done anything different than what I said above.
I thought the OP was asking a broader question about how the league now views DJ with these 3 preseason games in the can. And with that, would Jones go higher, lower or the same.
I still think he goes #6 to NYG. Everyone in between Arizona and the Giants were hunting other needs.
I didn;t think so. He used the word "We." I would guess "we" meant here on BBI.
But whatever.
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They dropped more balls than anyone else not to mention their athleticism to get open at all. Duke is a basketball first school. everyone knows that. Talented FB players do knot consider even going there. We were Lucy to get Jones at all from what we have seen so far. Great job by DG and his staff in the last 2 drafts.
The Duke offensive targets had several drops -- but 2 of Jone's WRs from his last year at Duke are on NFL rosters right now.
Let's not make it out like he was playing with a pack of no ones.
Not one single player from Duke while Daniel Jones was playing there was drafted. ZERO!!
So, you can talk about 2 wide receivers on teams right now, but they were undrafted. T.J Rahming was cut by the Redskins. Let me say that again..,the wide receiver deficient Redskins cut him and he was signed by the dolphins 3 days ago.
Let's see what Duke wide receivers remain on a teams roster after the cut downs and then talk.
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Of the teams who picked ahead of us.
Gun to you head. Pick one.
Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, Murray, Jones, sweaty Haskins.
GO.
Darnold. Twitchy quick in pocket and escapability while looking downfield is pretty special. Strong accurate arm. Like what we see in Jones but he does need to show better with pocket collapsing and move quickly like Darnold. Seems faster than Darnold in straight ahead speed and might have better touch butDarnold has stronger arm. Seems like both have bright futures and looking forward to great about play on both teams. This from a guy who rooted for colts over jets in super bowl as a kid. Did want darnold over Barkley last year.
I like Darnolds escapability, but he can look downfield all he wants, he struggles with accuracy downfield...it was a weakness of his in college and it continued in his rookie year. Darnolds calling card was accuracy in the intermediate range(under 20 yards)..coming out. After watching Jones throw with the Giants I think Darnold has nothing on him in terms of arm strength.
yup. What I saw in games was he can take hits, throw while getting plastered, honestly that Clemson game was worse for him than SF for Eli
That's why I find it funny that people are so surprised when he does what he does, or that he "can't" do things he's already shown, just at the NFL level. The talk of 'no pressure' in preseason, sure it's valid. But lets not act like he hasn't handled a shitload of pressure before. Having seen it at Duke, has to help him translate that skill to the NFL level more than those who haven't, even independent of the results (which weren't bad anyway iirc)
Again no guarantees, but he's done A LOT of what we're seeing him do now. And to me certainly speaks positively to translating to the NFL when shit gets real
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Like what we see in Jones but he does need to show better with pocket collapsing
Go back and watch those plays, specificall the first strip sack. He has the protections called correctly and he had a 3-on-2 mismatch on the right side of the OL. There is no reason for him to believe that there might be pressire coming from his right, nevermind a free runner. He was right to keep his eyes downfiled. The OL failed him.