Many critics still not on the DJ bandwagon.....

But are a lot of people praising Murray and Haskins?

You don't have to caveat any commentary on their performances.

After 3 preseason games either. But I will say that I am extremely encouraged by what I’ve seen, and in comparison to other quarterbacks that have been around the lead for years still struggling in the preseason, I like what I’ve seen from this rookie and this team.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being encouraged and even a little bit excited by what we’ve been privy to, the negative perception only amplifies the pendulum swing.

We’ll see what the future holds But as someone who refrained from any judgment on the pick- I feel like our scouts and the general managers office did their job on this one and the draft overall looks pretty good. But as someone who refrained from any judgment on the pic I feel like our scouts and the general managers office did their job on this one and the draft overall looks pretty damn good

Now, still too early to tell but Jones trajectory looks impressive.

In comment 14542515 ron mexico said:

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But are a lot of people praising Murray and Haskins? You don't have to caveat any commentary on their performances.

First discussion of the Skins game that I saw mentioned Haskins went 7-13, but showed more positives than negatives, and then showed the backshoulder pass as evidence of what he will eventually become. Thats it...no mention of the fact that this all occured in the 2nd half against what I would assume were 3rd stringers

If DJ did that...obviously cant prove anything, but I would imagine it would be something along the lines of "Giants fans may want to take Pat Shurmurs advice and slow their roll, as Daniel Jones showed that he still has a long way to go before any consideration of taking the Giants starting job. Jones completed just above 50% of his passes against backups in the seconds half"

DJ8 is routinely going through 4-5 reads to throw dimes, throw in a shoulder fake too for the safety.

2 of them were him getting obliterated, anyone would've fumbled in those two situations.

The criticism in the article is wrong saying Jones has only had success when he’s throwing to first reads. They’re just hoping everyone will forget about their stupidity by the time Jones is a starter and there is no question. I’m waiting to remind Emory Hunt that he though Jones = Tannehill. Dope.

In comment 14542527 Dave in Hoboken said:

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2 of them were him getting obliterated, anyone would've fumbled in those two situations.

The third one, no doubt. But the second one? Ehh...still feel that one could and should have been prevented. In any case...3 fumbles is 3 fumbles. They dont put asterisks on the stats showing fumbles that were legit or ones that could have been prevented. But If Eli had been the QB on that 2nd fumble, this place would have exploded.

but at the same time you have to be completely stubborn and pigheaded not to put any stock into what he has been doing through camps and the preseason.

Also, Sam Monson is the absolute worst. There are actually some solid guys at PFF that maintain the right perspective when it comes to their evaluations...he ain't one of them. The guy is pom pom waving groupthink dummy.

In comment 14542532 John In CO said:

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In comment 14542527 Dave in Hoboken said: Quote: 2 of them were him getting obliterated, anyone would've fumbled in those two situations. The third one, no doubt. But the second one? Ehh...still feel that one could and should have been prevented. In any case...3 fumbles is 3 fumbles. They dont put asterisks on the stats showing fumbles that were legit or ones that could have been prevented. But If Eli had been the QB on that 2nd fumble, this place would have exploded.

Protection brokedown pretty quickly on that one. Eli is a 16 year vet, Jones is playing in his rookie pre-season. Eli has also had a penchant for throwing alot of picks at times.

But yeah. Those fumbles are really concerning......

I don’t pay attention to the so called experts who know less than we do. But I will say this...it is pre-season and teams aren’t game planning for him nor are starters playing or playing hard.

I like everything about DJ but let’s calm down here and see what he can do when the bullets start flying.

I have never understood this race to jump to a conclusion on a guy, any player! Let’s all just take a pill here!

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In comment 14542538 Sean said:

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Seriously. Who even are those people? Seems like OP is just digging for criticism when THAT is your source here. A bunch of nobodies.

meet the evidence. DJ has already shown the ability to go through progressions and the only fumble attributable to him was on a snap, and that will easily be cleaned up. He's also been very accurate and has shown arm strength many said wasn't there.

I might have posted it prior to the draft (I know someone did, lol). It's about an hour.

I know Emory Hunt didn't like the pick. He was all about Haskins. I think he's coming around, though. At least he's acknowledged that Jones has done very well so far.


Matt Waldman's RSP Film Room No.145: QB Daniel Jones (Duke) - ( New Window )

On several of Jones' plays, he's pump faking, holding the safety, looking guys off to get his man open.

He's already doing what seasoned veterans learn after playing the game for 5 years, and he's doing it as a rookie.

He's also not just throwing to his first read.

Several of his big throws, he has found the one on one matchup and giving his guy a chance. He's placing the ball perfectly.

The bottom line is Jones would be having the same result whether its against starters or backups.

There is no defense for a perfectly placed ball. The critics will not back down, major pride issues here.

Jones didn’t have a reputation as I fumbler like Darnold. Fumbles from working with a center for the first time aren’t a big issue. Now, if it persists then I’ll worry but it’s not his reputation so he deserved the benefit of the doubt

But the games aren't played against the media. It doesn't matter what they say. As others have pointed out, there is no accountability so it's not like you are going to "win" this game.

There are so many different guys covering the league and the Giants that it's not that hard to find decent coverage. Other than the discussion here and the press conferences, I follow big. BLue banter and big blue kick off live podcasts. That's enough coverage for me.

If you see a person who is making bad or biased take, the best way to impact them is to ignore them.

somebody in the media world says something that is not flattering about Jones?

than a whole bunch of first and second-year QBs who are also playing in the "preseason". It is fine to say it is only pre-season, but it gives us a lot more evidence than his college tape playing with a bunch of guys who are starting their corporate internships right now.

for the simple reason it will make a multitude of 'experts' look like imbeciles.

In comment 14542548 BillT said:

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Jones didn’t have a reputation as I fumbler like Darnold. Fumbles from working with a center for the first time aren’t a big issue. Now, if it persists then I’ll worry but it’s not his reputation so he deserved the benefit of the doubt

The first was probably more to do with the center the second yeah he should of held on to it better/ protecting it more but he’ll learn from it and the third he got plowed could of been anyone

In comment 14542563 Jimmy Googs said:

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somebody in the media world says something that is not flattering about Jones?

I'm not paying for the bandwidth, so I don't really care.

I'm sure the guys they are complaining about appreciate it though

In comment 14542521 Coach Red Beaulieu said:

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DJ8 is routinely going through 4-5 reads to throw dimes, throw in a shoulder fake too for the safety.

Yeah i noticed that also. He tries the "First read" angle when has been anything but taking the first read.

The other guy who asked said he folds under pressure, meanwhile he got sandwich hard and the very next play hit a beautiful long throw

You saw people ripping him now, it's very likely they didn't in the first place and will nitpick any theory they want to wrap it around. See: YouTube favorite Brett Kollman.

and so do their best to knock his choices

means nothing. Critics will be silent if he can take the preseason success to real games on Sundays.

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means nothing. Critics will be silent if he can take the preseason success to real games on Sundays.

Yeah. Just like they were silent about Eli, right?

In comment 14542534 AcesUp said:

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but at the same time you have to be completely stubborn and pigheaded not to put any stock into what he has been doing through camps and the preseason. Also, Sam Monson is the absolute worst. There are actually some solid guys at PFF that maintain the right perspective when it comes to their evaluations...he ain't one of them. The guy is pom pom waving groupthink dummy.

I can’t stand Sam Monson, and I don’t mind PFF at all. The thing is, if PFF grades could accurately and reliably predict future NFL success...PFF would be shouting it from the rooftops and every NFL team would use them as part of their draft, it would be huge news...it isn’t.

no matter how well he does. They have decided that he isn't worthy of being picked at #6. Just like how they never gave Eli his proper due no matter how well he did, because he forced his way out of playing for San Diego.

The criticism of New York QBs comes with the territory
Whether it was Simms, Eli, or Jones Giants QBs have endured disproportionate criticism
A lot of it is dislike for the Giants

You can find warts on all QBs , but, it is amazing how everything with regard to Jones is looked at with a negative prism and everything with regard to the other rookie QBs is viewed in a positive perspective

Even after 2 SB MVPs and even before his supposed decline.

In comment 14542722 David B. said:

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Even after 2 SB MVPs and even before his supposed decline.

You can't blame them, Eli is never consistent

Guys, it's pre-season. Doing well in pre-season means absolutely 0. Jones has been encouraging as hell, against backups, in vanilla defenses, in pre-season. No one has been proven wrong or right because guess what, it's pre-season.

It's going to take about 2 years of actual regular season play to see if he is the real deal. There is tons to be excited about but it means nothing at this stage.

Know who else looks great in pre-season? Nathan Peterman. Everyone needs to settle down and stop pretending that the pre-season is an indication of anything.
Nathan Peterman pre-season stats - ( New Window )

only going to his first read every play, it’s about time that those same folks start talking about how this no name receiving corp is getting open on every play.

I mean, why would you go to your second and third reads when your first is ALWAYS open and requires nothing but a simple throw.

Are Shurmur and Mike Shula the greatest offensive minds of our times? How do they scheme an offense to be this easy?

The Position is NFL QB, and the position is not played anywhere but the NFL.

Daniel Jones hasn't proven much of anything...every Drafted QB is a Suspect.

All you can ever wish for is that the guy shows up and looks like he might be able to play the position---and that he's WORTHY of the next 2-4 years of proving it.

Jones looks like he might be able to play the position...and He's more imporessive as a Giant than he appeared to be (to my eyes) at Duke. He's halfway to being a good draft pick...the rest is projection and production.

In comment 14542737 Mike from Ohio said:

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only going to his first read every play, it’s about time that those same folks start talking about how this no name receiving corp is getting open on every play. I mean, why would you go to your second and third reads when your first is ALWAYS open and requires nothing but a simple throw. Are Shurmur and Mike Shula the greatest offensive minds of our times? How do they scheme an offense to be this easy?

The h8ers are now making up that Shurmur is Andy Reid.

Don’t put a lot of stock in the preseason.

The kid has been lights out in his three appearances and some have to spin it in a negative manner.

All quarterbacks at the moment are playing preseason games and all that implies. Jones given equal circumstances has been one of the most impressive, just saying.

folks outside of New York hate New York. Its why Eli gets nothing but crap from the national media and why most stories about the Giants nationally paint them in a less than favorable light. Jones will get the same treatment and has from the first time his name was associated with the Giants on draft night. By the way, go to the Football Hall of Fame in Canton and you would never know Lawrence Taylor was the greatest defensive player ever. Stuff all over the place on Butkis, Ronnnie Lot, Deion, Mean Joe Green and LT is no where to be found. His bust is even on the bottom shelf.

I think I read a fair amount of NFL content. I've never heard of any of those men.

But it’s still nice to see jones show this potential.

In comment 14542942 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I think I read a fair amount of NFL content. I've never heard of any of those men.

Im pretty sure Emory Hunt posts here every now and then, a lot of Giants coverage.

If you subscribe to the Athletic, Dane Brugler covers the NFL Draft for them. He actually put together a pretty nice 100+ page draft preview for subscribers.

in the 70's all hated Led Zeppelin.

Now they are all back tracking and LZ is in the R'R hall of Fame.


We will see who has the last laugh.

Irrespective of whether DG should have used the sixth pick on DJ, he got one thing right: taking Daniel Jones in preference to Haskins.

In comment 14544678 Gruber said:

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Irrespective of whether DG should have used the sixth pick on DJ, he got one thing right: taking Daniel Jones in preference to Haskins.

While I certainly think this will be true, you are doing the same thing the critics are:

Declaring a winner after a few preseason games. When will people learn to let things play out?

In comment 14543152 John In CO said:

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In comment 14542942 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: I think I read a fair amount of NFL content. I've never heard of any of those men. Im pretty sure Emory Hunt posts here every now and then, a lot of Giants coverage. If you subscribe to the Athletic, Dane Brugler covers the NFL Draft for them. He actually put together a pretty nice 100+ page draft preview for subscribers.

Emory Hunt is a good dude and is generally pretty fair in his assessments. If Jones turns out to be a good QB, he will have no problem admitting he was wrong. He's given Jones plenty of credit this preseason already.

I agree with those who have said its still too early to expect people to eat crow. Its only preseason.