as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
Jones isn't making the "right" read. He is making the "only" read. The play is tight and defined. He excelled in this in college. That's not how the greats play the position.
What are you talking about? One play? Or all 30 of his pass attempts?
All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Yup, that’s what I thought you meant. Sorry dude, you are completely full of shit.
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
I took his point there is that he hasn't shown that yet. Not that he never will.
Overall I didn't think he was negative towards Jones at all, just contextualized the success he had.
I'm no QB or X and O guru so I can't tell if what he is saying with regards to scheme difficulty is true or not, but he sounded convincing to me.
I will say that he convinced me that the point Cris Carter was making on the Jets TD throw seems legitimate
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
Jones isn't making the "right" read. He is making the "only" read. The play is tight and defined. He excelled in this in college. That's not how the greats play the position.
What are you talking about? One play? Or all 30 of his pass attempts?
All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Yup, that’s what I thought you meant. Sorry dude, you are completely full of shit.
thanks for you diplomacy. If you think Jones is playing a full arsenal nfl game you're the one who is full of it. The point this dude is making is that Shurmur is making it easier for Jones than let's say what Haskins is asked to do in Washington. Not just my opinion, this is Greg Cosell too. Jones is very encouraging so far but he performing within tightly constrained and scripted concepts.
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All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Hi Franchise,
Are you watching the games all the way through?
If you notice, Jones pump fakes one way, uses his eyes to hold the safety so that he can get the target he wants open.
That's what seasoned veterans do after playing for 5 years, he's doing it now as a rookie in preseason it's impressive.
On top of being accurate and throwing beautifully placed balls.
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All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Hi Franchise,
Are you watching the games all the way through?
If you notice, Jones pump fakes one way, uses his eyes to hold the safety so that he can get the target he wants open.
That's what seasoned veterans do after playing for 5 years, he's doing it now as a rookie in preseason it's impressive.
On top of being accurate and throwing beautifully placed balls.
looking off the safety is the design of the play. Jones is not playing the position like Peyton or Luck or Brady - yet... He is learning. He is learning quickly. I am optimistic about jones. I was happy when they drafted him. I was on this board board saying i was cautiously optimistic about the selection. I had no problem passing on Allen for him. But he is still in the learning phase. fyi - with a good enough game manager you can still win a super bowl.
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
I took his point there is that he hasn't shown that yet. Not that he never will.
Overall I didn't think he was negative towards Jones at all, just contextualized the success he had.
I'm no QB or X and O guru so I can't tell if what he is saying with regards to scheme difficulty is true or not, but he sounded convincing to me.
I will say that he convinced me that the point Cris Carter was making on the Jets TD throw seems legitimate
I agree he didn't say never will, but that wasn't the intention of his vid. He says not to over-analyze stats or preseason at least w/o context, and does just that w/ an esoteric stat and cherry picked details
But fine, context. Why does DJ's system matter to 'downplay' or 'normalize' his stats, but no mention of either WAS or AZ's O? While KM was hand-picked by KK at #1 for this reason, shouldn't he be better in context of preseason stats then? Ignoring that is improper context and poor analysis, if not simply biased (intentional or not). You can't make a point for ONE QB and not apply it to the others and say it's objective (another major point of his vid). Or bring up AIAY and conveniently ignore where the best QBs fall...sure any random cherry picked stats for random players can be pointed in any direction...
And while I don't care what he thinks about DJ, I can evaluate his reasoning for that opinion...and it's just not very good. Skewed, biased, incomplete, contradictory, poor analysis IMO
as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
Jones isn't making the "right" read. He is making the "only" read. The play is tight and defined. He excelled in this in college. That's not how the greats play the position.
What are you talking about? One play? Or all 30 of his pass attempts?
All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Yup, that’s what I thought you meant. Sorry dude, you are completely full of shit.
thanks for you diplomacy. If you think Jones is playing a full arsenal nfl game you're the one who is full of it. The point this dude is making is that Shurmur is making it easier for Jones than let's say what Haskins is asked to do in Washington. Not just my opinion, this is Greg Cosell too. Jones is very encouraging so far but he performing within tightly constrained and scripted concepts.
It was Greg Cosell's point after his 5 passes in the very first game. Since then his multiple reads have been highlighted multiple times. Your argument is outdated. Furthermore, no he's not getting the full kitchen sink thrown ar him by Shurmur, that's smart coaching and exactly how smart coaches bring up their young players. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Finally, he's using a meaningless stat to discredit Jones. He's using it poorly at that. As I said if Jones had 7.6 intended yards and not 8.2 his argument would not be made because it's a lot harder to discredit a QB that's in the company of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck, than Alex Smith and Andy Dalton.
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
Jones isn't making the "right" read. He is making the "only" read. The play is tight and defined. He excelled in this in college. That's not how the greats play the position.
What are you talking about? One play? Or all 30 of his pass attempts?
All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Yup, that’s what I thought you meant. Sorry dude, you are completely full of shit.
thanks for you diplomacy. If you think Jones is playing a full arsenal nfl game you're the one who is full of it. The point this dude is making is that Shurmur is making it easier for Jones than let's say what Haskins is asked to do in Washington. Not just my opinion, this is Greg Cosell too. Jones is very encouraging so far but he performing within tightly constrained and scripted concepts.
It was Greg Cosell's point after his 5 passes in the very first game. Since then his multiple reads have been highlighted multiple times. Your argument is outdated. Furthermore, no he's not getting the full kitchen sink thrown ar him by Shurmur, that's smart coaching and exactly how smart coaches bring up their young players. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Finally, he's using a meaningless stat to discredit Jones. He's using it poorly at that. As I said if Jones had 7.6 intended yards and not 8.2 his argument would not be made because it's a lot harder to discredit a QB that's in the company of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck, than Alex Smith and Andy Dalton.
it is good coaching. in fact this dude makes the same exact point. and it is smart for Shurmur to give him just enough to succeed and look good doing it. And it is amazing that Jones is playing within this system nearly flawlessly. all good. all good.
so for years we've heard how many young QBs tuck & run too soon, moving into improvise mode if not just eyes coming off WRs & running, due to inexperience / phantom pressure
Now because he's not doing that it's a bad thing? In a lot of ways doesn't this indicates a more NFL ready player? Actually given he does have wheels, I've been surprised we haven't seen more of that...
Either way it's not a big deal given it's such a small sample in preseason. Just not sure I understand the arguments at times
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
Jones isn't making the "right" read. He is making the "only" read. The play is tight and defined. He excelled in this in college. That's not how the greats play the position.
What are you talking about? One play? Or all 30 of his pass attempts?
All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Yup, that’s what I thought you meant. Sorry dude, you are completely full of shit.
thanks for you diplomacy. If you think Jones is playing a full arsenal nfl game you're the one who is full of it. The point this dude is making is that Shurmur is making it easier for Jones than let's say what Haskins is asked to do in Washington. Not just my opinion, this is Greg Cosell too. Jones is very encouraging so far but he performing within tightly constrained and scripted concepts.
It was Greg Cosell's point after his 5 passes in the very first game. Since then his multiple reads have been highlighted multiple times. Your argument is outdated. Furthermore, no he's not getting the full kitchen sink thrown ar him by Shurmur, that's smart coaching and exactly how smart coaches bring up their young players. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Finally, he's using a meaningless stat to discredit Jones. He's using it poorly at that. As I said if Jones had 7.6 intended yards and not 8.2 his argument would not be made because it's a lot harder to discredit a QB that's in the company of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck, than Alex Smith and Andy Dalton.
it is good coaching. in fact this dude makes the same exact point. and it is smart for Shurmur to give him just enough to succeed and look good doing it. And it is amazing that Jones is playing within this system nearly flawlessly. all good. all good.
But Brett is discrediting him. He even said any QB can make those throws and harped on one imperfect pass out of 30. Plus, the statistic he used is garbage and has been debunked multiple times in this thread. The guy clearly doesn't understand how stats work. And this is after making a fuss about misleading statistics.
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so for years we've heard how many young QBs tuck & run too soon, moving into improvise mode if not just eyes coming off WRs & running, due to inexperience / phantom pressure
Now because he's not doing that it's a bad thing? In a lot of ways doesn't this indicates a more NFL ready player? Actually given he does have wheels, I've been surprised we haven't seen more of that...
Either way it's not a big deal given it's such a small sample in preseason. Just not sure I understand the arguments at times
By in large he hasn't had to do it. His pocket has been clean for most of his passes. If there's any caveat that's one.
the guy is taking credit away from Jones for reading the defense and throwing the ball on time to the correct receiver. That makes him a game manager apparently. If that's the case, then Tom Brady is a game manager as well. QB play doesn't have to be flashy for it to be effective.
A game manager is a guy who may not always make the play, but can run the offense with decent success and limit turnovers.
the term "game manager" used to describe a QB who is risk averse, who doesn't try to make many plays downfield that could result in a turnover, and tries to manage ball control and field position to put his D is an excellent situation?
How can somebody watch Jones and come away with that impression. People like Trent Dilfer and Mark Sanchez were game managers.
the term "game manager" used to describe a QB who is risk averse, who doesn't try to make many plays downfield that could result in a turnover, and tries to manage ball control and field position to put his D is an excellent situation?
How can somebody watch Jones and come away with that impression. People like Trent Dilfer and Mark Sanchez were game managers.
A game manager to me is a guy that will win if you can run the ball and keep his passing attempts under 30 and will lose you the majority of games where he is throwing 40 plus times.
ok sure.. Jones is the best QB in the nfl..
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
Jones isn't making the "right" read. He is making the "only" read. The play is tight and defined. He excelled in this in college. That's not how the greats play the position.
What are you talking about? One play? Or all 30 of his pass attempts?
All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Yup, that’s what I thought you meant. Sorry dude, you are completely full of shit.
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Cant we just enjoy it for what it is?
ok sure.. Jones is the best QB in the nfl..
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
I took his point there is that he hasn't shown that yet. Not that he never will.
Overall I didn't think he was negative towards Jones at all, just contextualized the success he had.
I'm no QB or X and O guru so I can't tell if what he is saying with regards to scheme difficulty is true or not, but he sounded convincing to me.
I will say that he convinced me that the point Cris Carter was making on the Jets TD throw seems legitimate
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
Jones isn't making the "right" read. He is making the "only" read. The play is tight and defined. He excelled in this in college. That's not how the greats play the position.
What are you talking about? One play? Or all 30 of his pass attempts?
All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Yup, that’s what I thought you meant. Sorry dude, you are completely full of shit.
thanks for you diplomacy. If you think Jones is playing a full arsenal nfl game you're the one who is full of it. The point this dude is making is that Shurmur is making it easier for Jones than let's say what Haskins is asked to do in Washington. Not just my opinion, this is Greg Cosell too. Jones is very encouraging so far but he performing within tightly constrained and scripted concepts.
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All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Hi Franchise,
Are you watching the games all the way through?
If you notice, Jones pump fakes one way, uses his eyes to hold the safety so that he can get the target he wants open.
That's what seasoned veterans do after playing for 5 years, he's doing it now as a rookie in preseason it's impressive.
On top of being accurate and throwing beautifully placed balls.
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All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Hi Franchise,
Are you watching the games all the way through?
If you notice, Jones pump fakes one way, uses his eyes to hold the safety so that he can get the target he wants open.
That's what seasoned veterans do after playing for 5 years, he's doing it now as a rookie in preseason it's impressive.
On top of being accurate and throwing beautifully placed balls.
looking off the safety is the design of the play. Jones is not playing the position like Peyton or Luck or Brady - yet... He is learning. He is learning quickly. I am optimistic about jones. I was happy when they drafted him. I was on this board board saying i was cautiously optimistic about the selection. I had no problem passing on Allen for him. But he is still in the learning phase. fyi - with a good enough game manager you can still win a super bowl.
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
I took his point there is that he hasn't shown that yet. Not that he never will.
Overall I didn't think he was negative towards Jones at all, just contextualized the success he had.
I'm no QB or X and O guru so I can't tell if what he is saying with regards to scheme difficulty is true or not, but he sounded convincing to me.
I will say that he convinced me that the point Cris Carter was making on the Jets TD throw seems legitimate
I agree he didn't say never will, but that wasn't the intention of his vid. He says not to over-analyze stats or preseason at least w/o context, and does just that w/ an esoteric stat and cherry picked details
But fine, context. Why does DJ's system matter to 'downplay' or 'normalize' his stats, but no mention of either WAS or AZ's O? While KM was hand-picked by KK at #1 for this reason, shouldn't he be better in context of preseason stats then? Ignoring that is improper context and poor analysis, if not simply biased (intentional or not). You can't make a point for ONE QB and not apply it to the others and say it's objective (another major point of his vid). Or bring up AIAY and conveniently ignore where the best QBs fall...sure any random cherry picked stats for random players can be pointed in any direction...
And while I don't care what he thinks about DJ, I can evaluate his reasoning for that opinion...and it's just not very good. Skewed, biased, incomplete, contradictory, poor analysis IMO
I still see people calling Brady a game manager and it blows my mind. Sign me up for a game manager if Jones can do half what he has done
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
Jones isn't making the "right" read. He is making the "only" read. The play is tight and defined. He excelled in this in college. That's not how the greats play the position.
What are you talking about? One play? Or all 30 of his pass attempts?
All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Yup, that’s what I thought you meant. Sorry dude, you are completely full of shit.
thanks for you diplomacy. If you think Jones is playing a full arsenal nfl game you're the one who is full of it. The point this dude is making is that Shurmur is making it easier for Jones than let's say what Haskins is asked to do in Washington. Not just my opinion, this is Greg Cosell too. Jones is very encouraging so far but he performing within tightly constrained and scripted concepts.
It was Greg Cosell's point after his 5 passes in the very first game. Since then his multiple reads have been highlighted multiple times. Your argument is outdated. Furthermore, no he's not getting the full kitchen sink thrown ar him by Shurmur, that's smart coaching and exactly how smart coaches bring up their young players. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Finally, he's using a meaningless stat to discredit Jones. He's using it poorly at that. As I said if Jones had 7.6 intended yards and not 8.2 his argument would not be made because it's a lot harder to discredit a QB that's in the company of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck, than Alex Smith and Andy Dalton.
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
Jones isn't making the "right" read. He is making the "only" read. The play is tight and defined. He excelled in this in college. That's not how the greats play the position.
What are you talking about? One play? Or all 30 of his pass attempts?
All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Yup, that’s what I thought you meant. Sorry dude, you are completely full of shit.
thanks for you diplomacy. If you think Jones is playing a full arsenal nfl game you're the one who is full of it. The point this dude is making is that Shurmur is making it easier for Jones than let's say what Haskins is asked to do in Washington. Not just my opinion, this is Greg Cosell too. Jones is very encouraging so far but he performing within tightly constrained and scripted concepts.
It was Greg Cosell's point after his 5 passes in the very first game. Since then his multiple reads have been highlighted multiple times. Your argument is outdated. Furthermore, no he's not getting the full kitchen sink thrown ar him by Shurmur, that's smart coaching and exactly how smart coaches bring up their young players. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Finally, he's using a meaningless stat to discredit Jones. He's using it poorly at that. As I said if Jones had 7.6 intended yards and not 8.2 his argument would not be made because it's a lot harder to discredit a QB that's in the company of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck, than Alex Smith and Andy Dalton.
it is good coaching. in fact this dude makes the same exact point. and it is smart for Shurmur to give him just enough to succeed and look good doing it. And it is amazing that Jones is playing within this system nearly flawlessly. all good. all good.
Now because he's not doing that it's a bad thing? In a lot of ways doesn't this indicates a more NFL ready player? Actually given he does have wheels, I've been surprised we haven't seen more of that...
Either way it's not a big deal given it's such a small sample in preseason. Just not sure I understand the arguments at times
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as it's just not a well made argument. As it is he contradicts all his main points from the start
Honestly, on a 5/5 TD drive after saying 'you have to watch tape' you basically gloss over 'accuracy, ball placement, timing, decision-making' by the QB. Say these are important but still champion the coach? None of that makes any sense really
Also I'm not sure why improvising is some definitive measure. In fact, you might call a rook who makes the right reads and DOESN'T tuck & run too often more NFL ready. So IMO his argument is vague and poorly made (whether or not you like DJ)
Jones isn't making the "right" read. He is making the "only" read. The play is tight and defined. He excelled in this in college. That's not how the greats play the position.
What are you talking about? One play? Or all 30 of his pass attempts?
All of them. He is executing simple concepts. He is not dropping back and going through multiple reads. He has his main target and his outlet. That's most of what Jones is doing.
Yup, that’s what I thought you meant. Sorry dude, you are completely full of shit.
thanks for you diplomacy. If you think Jones is playing a full arsenal nfl game you're the one who is full of it. The point this dude is making is that Shurmur is making it easier for Jones than let's say what Haskins is asked to do in Washington. Not just my opinion, this is Greg Cosell too. Jones is very encouraging so far but he performing within tightly constrained and scripted concepts.
It was Greg Cosell's point after his 5 passes in the very first game. Since then his multiple reads have been highlighted multiple times. Your argument is outdated. Furthermore, no he's not getting the full kitchen sink thrown ar him by Shurmur, that's smart coaching and exactly how smart coaches bring up their young players. There's nothing to be ashamed of. Finally, he's using a meaningless stat to discredit Jones. He's using it poorly at that. As I said if Jones had 7.6 intended yards and not 8.2 his argument would not be made because it's a lot harder to discredit a QB that's in the company of Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck, than Alex Smith and Andy Dalton.
it is good coaching. in fact this dude makes the same exact point. and it is smart for Shurmur to give him just enough to succeed and look good doing it. And it is amazing that Jones is playing within this system nearly flawlessly. all good. all good.
But Brett is discrediting him. He even said any QB can make those throws and harped on one imperfect pass out of 30. Plus, the statistic he used is garbage and has been debunked multiple times in this thread. The guy clearly doesn't understand how stats work. And this is after making a fuss about misleading statistics.
Now because he's not doing that it's a bad thing? In a lot of ways doesn't this indicates a more NFL ready player? Actually given he does have wheels, I've been surprised we haven't seen more of that...
Either way it's not a big deal given it's such a small sample in preseason. Just not sure I understand the arguments at times
By in large he hasn't had to do it. His pocket has been clean for most of his passes. If there's any caveat that's one.
Based on his analysis, DJ can go out and just chuck more balls as far as possible without making ONE completion and 'be better' for it...somehow
A game manager is a guy who may not always make the play, but can run the offense with decent success and limit turnovers.
How can somebody watch Jones and come away with that impression. People like Trent Dilfer and Mark Sanchez were game managers.
I’d take that
How can somebody watch Jones and come away with that impression. People like Trent Dilfer and Mark Sanchez were game managers.
A game manager to me is a guy that will win if you can run the ball and keep his passing attempts under 30 and will lose you the majority of games where he is throwing 40 plus times.