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Pat Shurmur

BestFeature : 8/24/2019 3:51 pm
All the talk about Shurmur putting Jones in a position to succeed to discredit Jones's performance. However, that's true to an extent but it's more of a credit to Shurmur than a discredit of Jones. Manning, Lauletta, and even Tanney at times have looked very solid in the preseason. Yeah yeah yeah, it's preseason but for years we've sucked in the preseason. I think there are legit gripes to have with Shurmur, but it looks like he's doing exactly what he was put here to do and considering we're going to have a young QB to groom, the hire fits like a glove. I can live with some time management brain farts and maybe some not amazing moments with the media if he excels in this part of coaching.

Also, notice how much better the O was last year when the O-line became NFL quality second half of the season.
He’s definitely a fantastic Offensive Coordinator  
Simms11 : 8/24/2019 4:10 pm : link
and Coach. He knows how to improve offenses, but the jury is still out on his game management skills as a Head Coach IMO. He can lose games this way too. If he can improve in that area then I think he’ll be a fairly successful Head Coach. I like him and he truly cares about the players. I hope he succeeds this year.
I think he's solid  
Jay on the Island : 8/24/2019 4:45 pm : link
He has a lot to prove but I don't think it's entirely fair to blame him for Cleveland's record. They only won 9 games in two seasons but look at their record after he was fired. Hue Jackon's teams were more talented than the ones Shurmur inherited and we saw what a shitshow that was.

You can't deny that he has his players playing hard. They never quit which is an often overlooked quality in a HC. I expect this team to win 7-9 games this season. I predict a big improvement in every area and a playoff run in 2020 with Jones in his first full season as HC.
RE: He’s definitely a fantastic Offensive Coordinator  
81_Great_Dane : 8/24/2019 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14542768 Simms11 said:
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and Coach. He knows how to improve offenses, but the jury is still out on his game management skills as a Head Coach IMO. He can lose games this way too. If he can improve in that area then I think he’ll be a fairly successful Head Coach. I like him and he truly cares about the players. I hope he succeeds this year.
Every player and coach has strengths and weaknesses. One of the marks of someone who is really good is the ability recognize his own weaknesses, work on them and seek help where necessary. I think Shurmur has that ability.

I don't know whether there's an NFL equivalent of a "bench coach" but IIRC, R** H*****y's role with Parcells was clock management, etc. That's part of why they thought so highly of him. So there's some precedent for the Giants to rely on an assistant coach for some in-game management.
The team didn't quit last year & played hard.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/24/2019 6:52 pm : link
That's a credit to Shurmur. But he made some really WTF? decisions, most notably how he handled Saquon in that second Philly game. The jury is still out on how good he is as a HC.
RE: The team didn't quit last year & played hard.  
5BowlsSoon : 8/24/2019 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14542944 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That's a credit to Shurmur. But he made some really WTF? decisions, most notably how he handled Saquon in that second Philly game. The jury is still out on how good he is as a HC.


This says what I’m thinking too. I am very happy with him and expect he will also grow in his role as coach.
RE: RE: He’s definitely a fantastic Offensive Coordinator  
Jay in Toronto : 8/24/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14542943 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 14542768 Simms11 said:


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and Coach. He knows how to improve offenses, but the jury is still out on his game management skills as a Head Coach IMO. He can lose games this way too. If he can improve in that area then I think he’ll be a fairly successful Head Coach. I like him and he truly cares about the players. I hope he succeeds this year.

Every player and coach has strengths and weaknesses. One of the marks of someone who is really good is the ability recognize his own weaknesses, work on them and seek help where necessary. I think Shurmur has that ability.

I don't know whether there's an NFL equivalent of a "bench coach" but IIRC, R** H*****y's role with Parcells was clock management, etc. That's part of why they thought so highly of him. So there's some precedent for the Giants to rely on an assistant coach for some in-game management.


I wasn't a TC fan when he was hired. But he won my respect by showing that he could change and grow (esp for an old guy like me).
I would love for the Giants to have a great year, but...  
rmc3981 : 8/25/2019 11:37 am : link
I'm not a fan of Shurmur so far. I thought, on a number of occasions last year, he seemed clueless and sometimes his interviews strike me as being strange, but, having said that, I've been wrong too many times to count and I hope I'm wrong in this instance.
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arcarsenal : 8/25/2019 11:42 am : link
People keep bringing up his interviews as strikes against him - I don't get that. That part should have zero bearing on what anyone thinks of him as a coach.

I do agree the in-game coaching needs to improve. That was his biggest issue in year one here. But he's also a really good offensive coach and I think he is the right guy to have develop Jones in the early going.
So arcarsenal....  
rmc3981 : 8/25/2019 1:33 pm : link
If I interview you and ask you what color is the sky above your head and your response is "what sky" I'm going to be a bit concerned. Of course his interviews have an impact on how confident you are in his ability or lack thereof.
Has anyone here  
SleepyOwl : 8/25/2019 11:16 pm : link
Watched a Belichik interview? That’s strange and awkward... and yet...
Shurmer does not seem stubborn  
Reale01 : 8/25/2019 11:39 pm : link
That is what doomed McAdont and to a lesser extent TC. He seems to recognize rather than rationalize mistakes.

This gives hope for improvement.
RE: .  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/26/2019 1:23 am : link
In comment 14543767 arcarsenal said:
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People keep bringing up his interviews as strikes against him - I don't get that. That part should have zero bearing on what anyone thinks of him as a coach.

I do agree the in-game coaching needs to improve. That was his biggest issue in year one here. But he's also a really good offensive coach and I think he is the right guy to have develop Jones in the early going.


If media interviews were an important part of coaching, Belichick would be a bottom tier coach IMO.
Or  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/26/2019 1:25 am : link
what SleepyOwl wrote above.
RE: So arcarsenal....  
Jimmy Googs : 8/26/2019 7:05 am : link
In comment 14543940 rmc3981 said:
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If I interview you and ask you what color is the sky above your head and your response is "what sky" I'm going to be a bit concerned. Of course his interviews have an impact on how confident you are in his ability or lack thereof.


Whoa...that is indeed a red flag. Can’t believe Shurmur doesn’t know where the sky is.
Jimmy....  
rmc3981 : 8/26/2019 7:59 am : link
lol. :)
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