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| It’s hard to crown Jones the king after just three preseason games, but he’s looked more polished the any rookie quarterback I can remember and I go back to the 60s. I am stunned over how well he’s made the jump to the NFL. This kid with the economics degree that shunned Princeton to play football at a basketball school who played with non-NFL talent around him is making believers out of all of us, both to our delight and dismay. All the signs for Jones to make it in this league were there. No one wanted to believe. The kid with no blemishes and a generic name that comes across with no buzz could end up being the best thing to happen to the Giants — and the NFL — in many years. How is that possible? Jones’ combine and pro day were basically flawless. He made all the throws and displayed good athleticism. He also aced all of the interviews. He was too good to be true but no one wanted to say it. Instead, they focused on the negatives. Except, there weren’t any. Since Jones joined the Giants, we have looked for his flaws, his shortcomings. We haven’t really found any. He does everything right. If he makes a mistake, he fixes it and doesn’t repeat it. There seems to be less wrong with Jones than there has been with any player who has entered the league in recent years. We were told there was a great player coming out of Duke this year. We all thought they were referring to Zion Williamson. Maybe they should have been talking about Daniel Jones. They will be now. |
Reading comprehension is not your strength...
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oh cmon.. he's not the best qb prospect since 2006. This is embarrassing. Please stop. He looks good. He's not Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers.
Reading comprehension is not your strength...
actually it's a real strength. what's your excuse?
Andrew Luck was a consensus QB, yes. Better prospect than Jones, definitely. But as Eli has proved, AVAILABILITY, is always the most important stat for franchise QBs.
But frankly, last year, Darnold and Rosen were considered better "prospects" LAST YEAR, than DJ and ANYONE in his class was considered this year.
All of that shit MEANS NOTHING. (Hello, Tom Brady).
Andrew Luck was a consensus QB, yes. Better prospect than Jones, definitely. But as Eli has proved, AVAILABILITY, is always the most important stat for franchise QBs.
But frankly, last year, Darnold and Rosen were considered better "prospects" LAST YEAR, than DJ and ANYONE in his class was considered this year.
All of that shit MEANS NOTHING. (Hello, Tom Brady).
so you're saying Daniel Jones is the best qb prospect since 2006? maybe except for Andrew Luck? You're cracked if you say this. Why cause he had 3 good preseasoon games under a tightly defined offense. Get a grip..
In sports hype land, everything is either best ever or worst ever, there is no middle ground. Let's ignore the fact that even particularly fine QB's like Rodgers, Luck, or going further back, Aikman and Marino all occasionally pitched entire games that were real stinkers. But because they were Aikman or Rodgers, it's quickly, deliberately ignored when evaluating Mr. Jones.
In sports hype land, everything is either best ever or worst ever, there is no middle ground. Let's ignore the fact that even particularly fine QB's like Rodgers, Luck, or going further back, Aikman and Marino all occasionally pitched entire games that were real stinkers. But because they were Aikman or Rodgers, it's quickly, deliberately ignored when evaluating Mr. Jones.
If Jones plays like Rodgers or Marino and then puts up one stinker believe me it won't be a problem. Whatever you're trying to say, it isn't true. If he plays like Marino he will basically be setting the world on fire. Nothing we have seen so far suggests he is capable of this level of play.
The likely reality is somewhere in the middle. Jones definitely looks like a pro QB, but if he is more than that we won’t know for a couple of seasons.
The likely reality is somewhere in the middle. Jones definitely looks like a pro QB, but if he is more than that we won’t know for a couple of seasons.
yes.. 100%. I am very happy with what he has done. He seems to have the temperament to keep improving. Brady had this ability.. growing from a great game manager in a defined scheme to a truly great QB.
The likely reality is somewhere in the middle. Jones definitely looks like a pro QB, but if he is more than that we won’t know for a couple of seasons.
Yea it’s annoying as hell
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Everyone in the league other than GB passed on Aaron Rodgers. So don't bring that name up as one of the all-time "great prospects." That year, there was Alex Smith and Rodgers, and AR fell like a stone for god-knows why.
Andrew Luck was a consensus QB, yes. Better prospect than Jones, definitely. But as Eli has proved, AVAILABILITY, is always the most important stat for franchise QBs.
But frankly, last year, Darnold and Rosen were considered better "prospects" LAST YEAR, than DJ and ANYONE in his class was considered this year.
All of that shit MEANS NOTHING. (Hello, Tom Brady).
so you're saying Daniel Jones is the best qb prospect since 2006? maybe except for Andrew Luck? You're cracked if you say this. Why cause he had 3 good preseasoon games under a tightly defined offense. Get a grip..
Hi Franchise,
How are you? I do not enjoy arguing with my fellow Giant fans. However maybe I can share how Daniel Jones' 2019 rookie preseason compared to Andrew Luck's 2012 rookie preseason.
Here are the numbers...
Andrew Luck 41/66 62% 522 Yards 3 TD 2 Int 89 QB Rating
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Daniel Jones 25/30 83% 369 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 140 QB Rating
Jones is 20% higher in completion percentage, hasn't thrown one interception and has a higher QBR by over 50 points.
There can be no doubt, that Daniel Jones has even outperformed the consensus #1 pick in Luck during there first preseason games.
Well, who can argue with logic like that! :-)
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Everyone in the league other than GB passed on Aaron Rodgers. So don't bring that name up as one of the all-time "great prospects." That year, there was Alex Smith and Rodgers, and AR fell like a stone for god-knows why.
Andrew Luck was a consensus QB, yes. Better prospect than Jones, definitely. But as Eli has proved, AVAILABILITY, is always the most important stat for franchise QBs.
But frankly, last year, Darnold and Rosen were considered better "prospects" LAST YEAR, than DJ and ANYONE in his class was considered this year.
All of that shit MEANS NOTHING. (Hello, Tom Brady).
so you're saying Daniel Jones is the best qb prospect since 2006? maybe except for Andrew Luck? You're cracked if you say this. Why cause he had 3 good preseasoon games under a tightly defined offense. Get a grip..
Hi Franchise,
How are you? I do not enjoy arguing with my fellow Giant fans. However maybe I can share how Daniel Jones' 2019 rookie preseason compared to Andrew Luck's 2012 rookie preseason.
Here are the numbers...
Andrew Luck 41/66 62% 522 Yards 3 TD 2 Int 89 QB Rating
vs
Daniel Jones 25/30 83% 369 Yards 2 TD 0 Int 140 QB Rating
Jones is 20% higher in completion percentage, hasn't thrown one interception and has a higher QBR by over 50 points.
There can be no doubt, that Daniel Jones has even outperformed the consensus #1 pick in Luck during there first preseason games.
right.. unlike you i don't mind a good debate but i never mean to offend. I think your comment reveals why we should take preseason stats with a grain of salt. Jones doesn't play the position like Luck. Luck was pro ready the day he came out of college. He played the position almost like a seasoned pro. He could handle a complex offense with many moving parts and multiple reads. There is no way Jones is in Luck's category - so we can disregard the preseason numbers. Preseason numbers are virtually meaningless.
Way to early to judge long term but we Really could have a Farve
Rodgers like hand off.
Haha, he also doesn’t say that.
right.. unlike you i don't mind a good debate but i never mean to offend. I think your comment reveals why we should take preseason stats with a grain of salt. Jones doesn't play the position like Luck. Luck was pro ready the day he came out of college. He played the position almost like a seasoned pro. He could handle a complex offense with many moving parts and multiple reads. There is no way Jones is in Luck's category - so we can disregard the preseason numbers. Preseason numbers are virtually meaningless.
Have you watched these preseason games? DJ quite literally looks like a seasoned pro. He is looking off safeties, going through his progressions, pushing the ball downfield on high percentage throws and dumping it off when he doesn't like the look. Outside of the fumbles what specifically would you like to see him improve on?
You stop. You have no idea what kind of quarterback this kid is going to be. You re stating your narrative as if it s fact. You probably would have done the same with Brady and Montana in their rookie year.
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oh cmon.. he's not the best qb prospect since 2006. This is embarrassing. Please stop. He looks good. He's not Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers.
You stop. You have no idea what kind of quarterback this kid is going to be. You re stating your narrative as if it s fact. You probably would have done the same with Brady and Montana in their rookie year.
yes no kidding. that's exactly what i'm saying. none of us know what he is going to be yet.. but to call him the best qb prospect in 15 years is unwarranted. How can you quibble with that?
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right.. unlike you i don't mind a good debate but i never mean to offend. I think your comment reveals why we should take preseason stats with a grain of salt. Jones doesn't play the position like Luck. Luck was pro ready the day he came out of college. He played the position almost like a seasoned pro. He could handle a complex offense with many moving parts and multiple reads. There is no way Jones is in Luck's category - so we can disregard the preseason numbers. Preseason numbers are virtually meaningless.
Have you watched these preseason games? DJ quite literally looks like a seasoned pro. He is looking off safeties, going through his progressions, pushing the ball downfield on high percentage throws and dumping it off when he doesn't like the look. Outside of the fumbles what specifically would you like to see him improve on?
he looks solid within a confined and regimented offense. He is not taking on the challenges of a seasoned pro. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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oh cmon.. he's not the best qb prospect since 2006. This is embarrassing. Please stop. He looks good. He's not Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers.
Reading comprehension is not your strength...
actually it's a real strength. what's your excuse?
Well you fucking nitwit, the article doesn’t say he’s the best QB prospect since 2006. It says he’s more polished than any rookie QB he’s seen. There’s an enormous difference between those two things. So again, yes, your reading comprehension sucks. And it’s the least surprising thing I’ve seen on here since 2006.
No one is claiming he's Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. Not a single person, ever.
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he looks solid within a confined and regimented offense. He is not taking on the challenges of a seasoned pro. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Franchise,
I can't remember where I read it, but one of the Giants coaches has said that Jones already has the playbook down.
They've also said if they needed him, he'd be ready to go week 1, this isn't your typical rookie.
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right.. unlike you i don't mind a good debate but i never mean to offend. I think your comment reveals why we should take preseason stats with a grain of salt. Jones doesn't play the position like Luck. Luck was pro ready the day he came out of college. He played the position almost like a seasoned pro. He could handle a complex offense with many moving parts and multiple reads. There is no way Jones is in Luck's category - so we can disregard the preseason numbers. Preseason numbers are virtually meaningless.
Have you watched these preseason games? DJ quite literally looks like a seasoned pro. He is looking off safeties, going through his progressions, pushing the ball downfield on high percentage throws and dumping it off when he doesn't like the look. Outside of the fumbles what specifically would you like to see him improve on?
he looks solid within a confined and regimented offense. He is not taking on the challenges of a seasoned pro. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
If it is that easy under a 'confined regimented offense' every qb in the league would be putting up these numbers every week.
Pretty funny that half the arguments telling people to pump thr brakes are posited on the fact that he is 'playing against vanilla defenses', and the rest are arguing that he's having an easier time because he's 'running a simplified offense'. Anything to try to discredit the kid has been thrown against the wall to see what sticks.
And that's totally understandable, as exhaustive as the draft analysis is by teams, they get it wrong a bunch. The draftnicks get it wrong more, the media get it's wrong more than that, and the fans are basically guessing.
Now there are a few more percentage points more of information, and who Jones is, is a little clearer. Not, clear, but clearer.
And if fans are to have constructive conversations about him, maybe the best way isn't wild mood swings and exhaustive recounting of who said what in the 45 seconds after the pick?
"but he’s looked more polished the any rookie quarterback I can remember and I go back to the 60s"
Where does he say DJ is the best QB prospect at any time? He says he looks polished for a rookie QB - that is all he said.
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oh cmon.. he's not the best qb prospect since 2006. This is embarrassing. Please stop. He looks good. He's not Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers.
"but he’s looked more polished the any rookie quarterback I can remember and I go back to the 60s"
Where does he say DJ is the best QB prospect at any time? He says he looks polished for a rookie QB - that is all he said.
Should have read other posts before I posted. I just repeated what about 6 other people said. Oh well ....
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oh cmon.. he's not the best qb prospect since 2006. This is embarrassing. Please stop. He looks good. He's not Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers.
You stop. You have no idea what kind of quarterback this kid is going to be. You re stating your narrative as if it s fact. You probably would have done the same with Brady and Montana in their rookie year.
yes no kidding. that's exactly what i'm saying. none of us know what he is going to be yet.. but to call him the best qb prospect in 15 years is unwarranted. How can you quibble with that?
...and since none of us know, stating that DJ8 is the best prospect since 2006 is no more inaccurate than stating that he is not.
Being constantly negative because you find it somehow righteous is a bad look.
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In comment 14542880 FranchiseQB said:
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oh cmon.. he's not the best qb prospect since 2006. This is embarrassing. Please stop. He looks good. He's not Andrew Luck or Aaron Rodgers.
Reading comprehension is not your strength...
actually it's a real strength. what's your excuse?
Well you fucking nitwit, the article doesn’t say he’s the best QB prospect since 2006. It says he’s more polished than any rookie QB he’s seen. There’s an enormous difference between those two things. So again, yes, your reading comprehension sucks. And it’s the least surprising thing I’ve seen on here since 2006.
The headline of the link says "best". But if you are splitting hairs between "best" rookie QB and "most polished" rookie QB, then it is obvious you do not work with words as you are unable to discern meaningful distinctions between words and phrases. But you are good at throwing out an unnecessary and unwarranted epithet. Nice job..
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right.. unlike you i don't mind a good debate but i never mean to offend. I think your comment reveals why we should take preseason stats with a grain of salt. Jones doesn't play the position like Luck. Luck was pro ready the day he came out of college. He played the position almost like a seasoned pro. He could handle a complex offense with many moving parts and multiple reads. There is no way Jones is in Luck's category - so we can disregard the preseason numbers. Preseason numbers are virtually meaningless.
Have you watched these preseason games? DJ quite literally looks like a seasoned pro. He is looking off safeties, going through his progressions, pushing the ball downfield on high percentage throws and dumping it off when he doesn't like the look. Outside of the fumbles what specifically would you like to see him improve on?
he looks solid within a confined and regimented offense. He is not taking on the challenges of a seasoned pro. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
If it is that easy under a 'confined regimented offense' every qb in the league would be putting up these numbers every week.
Pretty funny that half the arguments telling people to pump thr brakes are posited on the fact that he is 'playing against vanilla defenses', and the rest are arguing that he's having an easier time because he's 'running a simplified offense'. Anything to try to discredit the kid has been thrown against the wall to see what sticks.
yea.. didn't say what he is doing is easy and that he doesn't deserve credit.
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he looks solid within a confined and regimented offense. He is not taking on the challenges of a seasoned pro. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Franchise,
I can't remember where I read it, but one of the Giants coaches has said that Jones already has the playbook down.
They've also said if they needed him, he'd be ready to go week 1, this isn't your typical rookie.
agree. i am excited. he is progressing nicely
No one is claiming he's Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. Not a single person, ever.
sorry.. i like to be clear, sober and reasonable.. i don't equate being optimistic and excited with engaging in silly hyperbole. Jones looks good. He is not the best or most polished (whichever you prefer there is almost no difference) rookie qb in the past 15 years. I don't think being excited means i have to lie to myself or others.
None of us think Daniel Jones is Joe Montana or Dan Marino or John Elway... we're just quite frankly, pretty damn impressed by what he's done early on. No one expected him to look this good. Not even the people who liked the pick at the time.
We don't need to do mental gymnastics to move the goalposts every time he gets a compliment so that it can be discredited.
He's our fucking QB. Everyone here should be thrilled at this point in time and also be able to understand that you can feel that way while simultaneously expecting growing pains and rough patches when the games count and he gets in there.
None of us think Daniel Jones is Joe Montana or Dan Marino or John Elway... we're just quite frankly, pretty damn impressed by what he's done early on. No one expected him to look this good. Not even the people who liked the pick at the time.
We don't need to do mental gymnastics to move the goalposts every time he gets a compliment so that it can be discredited.
He's our fucking QB. Everyone here should be thrilled at this point in time and also be able to understand that you can feel that way while simultaneously expecting growing pains and rough patches when the games count and he gets in there.
I literally have not seen a single poster here say they are not impressed or excited.
We've had a poster refer to all of this as the equivalent of "batting practice" - and we have people on every thread regarding Jones who need to dump cold water on it and make sure they're the 'voice of reason' to ensure that everyone else pumps the brakes and doesn't go overboard, because you know.... that would just be really bad. We can't have that!
Just not sure where this need to correct peoples' optimism is coming from. When outrageous claims get made, go on and debate 'em...
But the crux of the OP is harmless. And yet, you've spent an impressive amount of time here trying to fix the narrative because apparently it's too slanted in favor of Jones or the Giants or whatever.
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never understood that. And this article doesn't even say what you are stating, so I have no idea what you are up in arms about. Its talking about how impressive he's been this preseason, and comparing it to other rookie QB's over the years. If we can't do that then what the fuck is the point of this site?
No one is claiming he's Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. Not a single person, ever.
sorry.. i like to be clear, sober and reasonable.. i don't equate being optimistic and excited with engaging in silly hyperbole. Jones looks good. He is not the best or most polished (whichever you prefer there is almost no difference) rookie qb in the past 15 years. I don't think being excited means i have to lie to myself or others.
What hyperbole have I or others used. You still don’t even understand what was said in the article. You aren’t accurately quoting either.
Wentz only played one game in the preseason as a rookie and wasn't very good. It was the game against TB where he got crunched and missed the rest of the preseason.
So, Jones has looked decidedly better than both. Need better examples than that.
We've had a poster refer to all of this as the equivalent of "batting practice" - and we have people on every thread regarding Jones who need to dump cold water on it and make sure they're the 'voice of reason' to ensure that everyone else pumps the brakes and doesn't go overboard, because you know.... that would just be really bad. We can't have that!
Just not sure where this need to correct peoples' optimism is coming from. When outrageous claims get made, go on and debate 'em...
But the crux of the OP is harmless. And yet, you've spent an impressive amount of time here trying to fix the narrative because apparently it's too slanted in favor of Jones or the Giants or whatever.
what is wrong with trying to be accurate. I'll never understand why that rankles some folks. It is like in the early days of sabermetrics people would gush over a player with a high batting average and a low obp and if one countered by saying he should walk more he would be a better player if he did all one would get is a load of scorn. Now people understand walks are a good thing and walking makes a hitter better.
In Jones we have a kid who had many knocks on his game, coming out. So to see him play almost perfectly so far is a lovely and encouraging turn of events. But this is exactly what Cosell said of Jones when he was drafted #6 by the Giants. He said for Jones to succeed initially he has to be managed tightly in a scripted and controlled offense where his decision making is somewhat limited. This is exactly what we are seeing. I actually do think this is a bad thing to notice and say. I am not knocking the player - at all. First, I think it says a lot about our coaching staff. They get the player. They are helping him succeed. They are building him up. And they have the capability to scheme to his abilities. It says a lot about Shurmur. I am very excited for the future here.
I think these things are worth pointing out. I don't think they are nothing. And I think it is more true than saying Jones is either the best or the most polished rookie QB in the league in almost 20 years. I think accurate comments are worthwhile. Why must everyone gush in the same manner?
12 of 24 for 89 yards. 0 TD, 1 INT.
"Tremendous"
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never understood that. And this article doesn't even say what you are stating, so I have no idea what you are up in arms about. Its talking about how impressive he's been this preseason, and comparing it to other rookie QB's over the years. If we can't do that then what the fuck is the point of this site?
No one is claiming he's Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. Not a single person, ever.
sorry.. i like to be clear, sober and reasonable.. i don't equate being optimistic and excited with engaging in silly hyperbole. Jones looks good. He is not the best or most polished (whichever you prefer there is almost no difference) rookie qb in the past 15 years. I don't think being excited means i have to lie to myself or others.
What hyperbole have I or others used. You still don’t even understand what was said in the article. You aren’t accurately quoting either.
the article says "best rookie qb" in the title in 15 years. The poster says "most polished" in 15 years. Take your pick. Both statements are hyperbolic, imo.
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Well then you "literally" haven't seen all of the commentary here in recent weeks.
We've had a poster refer to all of this as the equivalent of "batting practice" - and we have people on every thread regarding Jones who need to dump cold water on it and make sure they're the 'voice of reason' to ensure that everyone else pumps the brakes and doesn't go overboard, because you know.... that would just be really bad. We can't have that!
Just not sure where this need to correct peoples' optimism is coming from. When outrageous claims get made, go on and debate 'em...
But the crux of the OP is harmless. And yet, you've spent an impressive amount of time here trying to fix the narrative because apparently it's too slanted in favor of Jones or the Giants or whatever.
what is wrong with trying to be accurate. I'll never understand why that rankles some folks. It is like in the early days of sabermetrics people would gush over a player with a high batting average and a low obp and if one countered by saying he should walk more he would be a better player if he did all one would get is a load of scorn. Now people understand walks are a good thing and walking makes a hitter better.
In Jones we have a kid who had many knocks on his game, coming out. So to see him play almost perfectly so far is a lovely and encouraging turn of events. But this is exactly what Cosell said of Jones when he was drafted #6 by the Giants. He said for Jones to succeed initially he has to be managed tightly in a scripted and controlled offense where his decision making is somewhat limited. This is exactly what we are seeing. I actually do think this is a bad thing to notice and say. I am not knocking the player - at all. First, I think it says a lot about our coaching staff. They get the player. They are helping him succeed. They are building him up. And they have the capability to scheme to his abilities. It says a lot about Shurmur. I am very excited for the future here.
I think these things are worth pointing out. I don't think they are nothing. And I think it is more true than saying Jones is either the best or the most polished rookie QB in the league in almost 20 years. I think accurate comments are worthwhile. Why must everyone gush in the same manner?
Right off the bat, your argument against the OP was that Jones wasn't the best prospect in the NFL since 2006 - citing Luck and Rodgers (you must not remember that Rodgers wasn't looked at the way he is now back in 2006... he was not considered one of the best prospects in the league back then) - which shows that you totally missed the point.
The article doesn't say that. You're arguing against air.
when describing a rookie qb, who has played no regular season snaps, please tell me the difference between best and most polished. i think it is a nonsensical distinction when all you have to go on is college tape and a few meaningless preseason games.
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
12 of 24 for 89 yards. 0 TD, 1 INT.
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Arc,
Haha This made me laugh, great response...
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
groans of exasperation don't make you right. The article that the OP links to says: Daniel Jones is the best rookie QB prospect since 2006.
That is pretty clear.
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when describing a rookie qb, who has played no regular season snaps, please tell me the difference between best and most polished. i think it is a nonsensical distinction when all you have to go on is college tape and a few meaningless preseason games.
Hi Franchise,
The last game against the Bengals, Jones first 3 drives were against there defensive starters.
Not there backups, but there starters and he still lit them up.
Also you may not be aware of this, but out of all the 53 QBs who have had at least 20 pass attempts this preseason, Daniel Jones is ranked #1 in comp %, qb rating and ypa.
This is not your typical rookie.
Wentz only played one game in the preseason as a rookie and wasn't very good. It was the game against TB where he got crunched and missed the rest of the preseason.
So, Jones has looked decidedly better than both. Need better examples than that.
I misremembered Wentz's second preseason with rookie, but Bortles tore it up. Similar numbers to Jones. He had a completion percentage in the 70s and 12ypa and some tds no picks.
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when describing a rookie qb, who has played no regular season snaps, please tell me the difference between best and most polished. i think it is a nonsensical distinction when all you have to go on is college tape and a few meaningless preseason games.
Hi Franchise,
The last game against the Bengals, Jones first 3 drives were against there defensive starters.
Not there backups, but there starters and he still lit them up.
Also you may not be aware of this, but out of all the 53 QBs who have had at least 20 pass attempts this preseason, Daniel Jones is ranked #1 in comp %, qb rating and ypa.
This is not your typical rookie.
hi sxdxca ..
so i have said i am excited and that he has played perfectly so far. What am I being scolded for? I am not sufficiently out of my mind? He is not the most polished or best rookie qb since 2006. but i am still cautiously optimistic about the kid. i am saying the same things about the kid i said the day he was drafted. i was happy about the pick and said i am cautiously optimistic. meanwhile people who bashed the pick are now saying i am not excited enough. this is a weird place, man.
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Good lord...
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
groans of exasperation don't make you right. The article that the OP links to says: Daniel Jones is the best rookie QB prospect since 2006.
That is pretty clear.
Cool, so you produced zero names.
I'll ask you one more time...
How many rookie QB's have looked more polished in their first preseason action in recent years than Jones has this year?
I'll wait.
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Bortles? I don't recall him completing 80%+ in his rookie preseason.
Wentz only played one game in the preseason as a rookie and wasn't very good. It was the game against TB where he got crunched and missed the rest of the preseason.
So, Jones has looked decidedly better than both. Need better examples than that.
I misremembered Wentz's second preseason with rookie, but Bortles tore it up. Similar numbers to Jones. He had a completion percentage in the 70s and 12ypa and some tds no picks.
He didn't have a completion percentage in the 70's. Stop making up numbers and look them up before you post them.
2 TD passes in 51 pass attempts.
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So you can continue to related the two as exacts, but you’d continue to be wrong.
At this point I’m looking forward to seeing how much time you waste trying to tell everyone we shouldn’t think Jones will be good. I hope you waste your entire Sunday trying to fight the good fight.
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Good lord...
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
groans of exasperation don't make you right. The article that the OP links to says: Daniel Jones is the best rookie QB prospect since 2006.
That is pretty clear.
Cool, so you produced zero names.
I'll ask you one more time...
How many rookie QB's have looked more polished in their first preseason action in recent years than Jones has this year?
I'll wait.
So your standard for best or most polished rookie QB is preseason stats? You kn ow this is an asinine argument, right? Here's a name - Russell Wilson - he started Day 1. Any rookie QB that started Day 1 is more polished than Daniel Jones so far.
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when describing a rookie qb, who has played no regular season snaps, please tell me the difference between best and most polished. i think it is a nonsensical distinction when all you have to go on is college tape and a few meaningless preseason games.
Hi Franchise,
The last game against the Bengals, Jones first 3 drives were against there defensive starters.
Not there backups, but there starters and he still lit them up.
Also you may not be aware of this, but out of all the 53 QBs who have had at least 20 pass attempts this preseason, Daniel Jones is ranked #1 in comp %, qb rating and ypa.
This is not your typical rookie.
Not a big deal, but I think it's funny you respond to posts like writing emails "Hi (poster)".
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Good lord...
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
groans of exasperation don't make you right. The article that the OP links to says: Daniel Jones is the best rookie QB prospect since 2006.
That is pretty clear.
Cool, so you produced zero names.
I'll ask you one more time...
How many rookie QB's have looked more polished in their first preseason action in recent years than Jones has this year?
I'll wait.
So your standard for best or most polished rookie QB is preseason stats? You kn ow this is an asinine argument, right? Here's a name - Russell Wilson - he started Day 1. Any rookie QB that started Day 1 is more polished than Daniel Jones so far.
Who was he behind? Assinine argument.
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Good lord...
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
groans of exasperation don't make you right. The article that the OP links to says: Daniel Jones is the best rookie QB prospect since 2006.
That is pretty clear.
Cool, so you produced zero names.
I'll ask you one more time...
How many rookie QB's have looked more polished in their first preseason action in recent years than Jones has this year?
I'll wait.
So your standard for best or most polished rookie QB is preseason stats? You kn ow this is an asinine argument, right? Here's a name - Russell Wilson - he started Day 1. Any rookie QB that started Day 1 is more polished than Daniel Jones so far.
Amazing - you're still missing the point. It has nothing to do with anything other than preseason. That's what the article is centered around. Not what happens after. Not QB's who have now been in the league for several years.
We are talking about rookie preseasons.
You just don't get it.
Wilson also completed about 62% of his passes as a rookie in preseason. What are your grounds for claiming he looked more polished back in 2012?
I am fairly certain you didn't watch any of Wilson's preseason as a rookie, did you? So, how would you even reach that conclusion?
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Not a big deal, but I think it's funny you respond to posts like writing emails "Hi (poster)".
Hey what's up Best Feature?
Yeah I'm trying to respond to people in a more civilized way, so that we can have a respectful discussion.
Over the years, I've seen some of the interactions on this board, especially when there is a disagreement, and people can get pretty heated and viscous towards one another.
I'd like to avoid that if possible, especially if we're all Giants fans.
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Not a big deal, but I think it's funny you respond to posts like writing emails "Hi (poster)".
Hey what's up Best Feature?
Yeah I'm trying to respond to people in a more civilized way, so that we can have a respectful discussion.
Over the years, I've seen some of the interactions on this board, especially when there is a disagreement, and people can get pretty heated and viscous towards one another.
I'd like to avoid that if possible, especially if we're all Giants fans.
i appreciate your attempts at respectful discourse! Nice job.
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Not a big deal, but I think it's funny you respond to posts like writing emails "Hi (poster)".
Hey what's up Best Feature?
Yeah I'm trying to respond to people in a more civilized way, so that we can have a respectful discussion.
Over the years, I've seen some of the interactions on this board, especially when there is a disagreement, and people can get pretty heated and viscous towards one another.
I'd like to avoid that if possible, especially if we're all Giants fans.
Hey sxdxca, sounds like a good plan. Nice job.
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i appreciate your attempts at respectful discourse! Nice job.
Thanks Franchise, you too!
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Hey sxdxca, sounds like a good plan. Nice job.
Thanks Best Feature, you too man, peace out!