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| It’s hard to crown Jones the king after just three preseason games, but he’s looked more polished the any rookie quarterback I can remember and I go back to the 60s. I am stunned over how well he’s made the jump to the NFL. This kid with the economics degree that shunned Princeton to play football at a basketball school who played with non-NFL talent around him is making believers out of all of us, both to our delight and dismay. All the signs for Jones to make it in this league were there. No one wanted to believe. The kid with no blemishes and a generic name that comes across with no buzz could end up being the best thing to happen to the Giants — and the NFL — in many years. How is that possible? Jones’ combine and pro day were basically flawless. He made all the throws and displayed good athleticism. He also aced all of the interviews. He was too good to be true but no one wanted to say it. Instead, they focused on the negatives. Except, there weren’t any. Since Jones joined the Giants, we have looked for his flaws, his shortcomings. We haven’t really found any. He does everything right. If he makes a mistake, he fixes it and doesn’t repeat it. There seems to be less wrong with Jones than there has been with any player who has entered the league in recent years. We were told there was a great player coming out of Duke this year. We all thought they were referring to Zion Williamson. Maybe they should have been talking about Daniel Jones. They will be now. |
12 of 24 for 89 yards. 0 TD, 1 INT.
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Haha This made me laugh, great response...
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
groans of exasperation don't make you right. The article that the OP links to says: Daniel Jones is the best rookie QB prospect since 2006.
That is pretty clear.
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when describing a rookie qb, who has played no regular season snaps, please tell me the difference between best and most polished. i think it is a nonsensical distinction when all you have to go on is college tape and a few meaningless preseason games.
Hi Franchise,
The last game against the Bengals, Jones first 3 drives were against there defensive starters.
Not there backups, but there starters and he still lit them up.
Also you may not be aware of this, but out of all the 53 QBs who have had at least 20 pass attempts this preseason, Daniel Jones is ranked #1 in comp %, qb rating and ypa.
This is not your typical rookie.
Wentz only played one game in the preseason as a rookie and wasn't very good. It was the game against TB where he got crunched and missed the rest of the preseason.
So, Jones has looked decidedly better than both. Need better examples than that.
I misremembered Wentz's second preseason with rookie, but Bortles tore it up. Similar numbers to Jones. He had a completion percentage in the 70s and 12ypa and some tds no picks.
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when describing a rookie qb, who has played no regular season snaps, please tell me the difference between best and most polished. i think it is a nonsensical distinction when all you have to go on is college tape and a few meaningless preseason games.
Hi Franchise,
The last game against the Bengals, Jones first 3 drives were against there defensive starters.
Not there backups, but there starters and he still lit them up.
Also you may not be aware of this, but out of all the 53 QBs who have had at least 20 pass attempts this preseason, Daniel Jones is ranked #1 in comp %, qb rating and ypa.
This is not your typical rookie.
hi sxdxca ..
so i have said i am excited and that he has played perfectly so far. What am I being scolded for? I am not sufficiently out of my mind? He is not the most polished or best rookie qb since 2006. but i am still cautiously optimistic about the kid. i am saying the same things about the kid i said the day he was drafted. i was happy about the pick and said i am cautiously optimistic. meanwhile people who bashed the pick are now saying i am not excited enough. this is a weird place, man.
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Good lord...
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
groans of exasperation don't make you right. The article that the OP links to says: Daniel Jones is the best rookie QB prospect since 2006.
That is pretty clear.
Cool, so you produced zero names.
I'll ask you one more time...
How many rookie QB's have looked more polished in their first preseason action in recent years than Jones has this year?
I'll wait.
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Bortles? I don't recall him completing 80%+ in his rookie preseason.
Wentz only played one game in the preseason as a rookie and wasn't very good. It was the game against TB where he got crunched and missed the rest of the preseason.
So, Jones has looked decidedly better than both. Need better examples than that.
I misremembered Wentz's second preseason with rookie, but Bortles tore it up. Similar numbers to Jones. He had a completion percentage in the 70s and 12ypa and some tds no picks.
He didn't have a completion percentage in the 70's. Stop making up numbers and look them up before you post them.
2 TD passes in 51 pass attempts.
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So you can continue to related the two as exacts, but you’d continue to be wrong.
At this point I’m looking forward to seeing how much time you waste trying to tell everyone we shouldn’t think Jones will be good. I hope you waste your entire Sunday trying to fight the good fight.
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Good lord...
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
groans of exasperation don't make you right. The article that the OP links to says: Daniel Jones is the best rookie QB prospect since 2006.
That is pretty clear.
Cool, so you produced zero names.
I'll ask you one more time...
How many rookie QB's have looked more polished in their first preseason action in recent years than Jones has this year?
I'll wait.
So your standard for best or most polished rookie QB is preseason stats? You kn ow this is an asinine argument, right? Here's a name - Russell Wilson - he started Day 1. Any rookie QB that started Day 1 is more polished than Daniel Jones so far.
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when describing a rookie qb, who has played no regular season snaps, please tell me the difference between best and most polished. i think it is a nonsensical distinction when all you have to go on is college tape and a few meaningless preseason games.
Hi Franchise,
The last game against the Bengals, Jones first 3 drives were against there defensive starters.
Not there backups, but there starters and he still lit them up.
Also you may not be aware of this, but out of all the 53 QBs who have had at least 20 pass attempts this preseason, Daniel Jones is ranked #1 in comp %, qb rating and ypa.
This is not your typical rookie.
Not a big deal, but I think it's funny you respond to posts like writing emails "Hi (poster)".
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Good lord...
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
groans of exasperation don't make you right. The article that the OP links to says: Daniel Jones is the best rookie QB prospect since 2006.
That is pretty clear.
Cool, so you produced zero names.
I'll ask you one more time...
How many rookie QB's have looked more polished in their first preseason action in recent years than Jones has this year?
I'll wait.
So your standard for best or most polished rookie QB is preseason stats? You kn ow this is an asinine argument, right? Here's a name - Russell Wilson - he started Day 1. Any rookie QB that started Day 1 is more polished than Daniel Jones so far.
Who was he behind? Assinine argument.
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Good lord...
We know it's preseason. The author is only referring to that.
He says nothing about Jones being the best QB prospect in the last 20 years. He says nothing about what Jones will do in the regular season. He says Jones looks more polished than any QB he can recall in that timeframe.
How many other rookie QB's have completed 80%+? Jones has displayed a knack for ball placement, he's thrown an excellent deep ball, he's shown velocity and zip on his throws where he's needed to and these aren't all "vanilla, one-read" throws. He's looking safeties off and going through progressions and has looked far more polished than anyone expected.
Let's do it this way... which rookie QB's looked more polished at this phase than Jones has recently? Rodgers did not. Luck did not. That doesn't mean Jones is going to be better than these guys.
We are discussing preseason and nothing more. Not projecting out. Try to keep focused here. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp if you'd just stop twisting and turning in all directions to argue against something that's not there to be argued against.
groans of exasperation don't make you right. The article that the OP links to says: Daniel Jones is the best rookie QB prospect since 2006.
That is pretty clear.
Cool, so you produced zero names.
I'll ask you one more time...
How many rookie QB's have looked more polished in their first preseason action in recent years than Jones has this year?
I'll wait.
So your standard for best or most polished rookie QB is preseason stats? You kn ow this is an asinine argument, right? Here's a name - Russell Wilson - he started Day 1. Any rookie QB that started Day 1 is more polished than Daniel Jones so far.
Amazing - you're still missing the point. It has nothing to do with anything other than preseason. That's what the article is centered around. Not what happens after. Not QB's who have now been in the league for several years.
We are talking about rookie preseasons.
You just don't get it.
Wilson also completed about 62% of his passes as a rookie in preseason. What are your grounds for claiming he looked more polished back in 2012?
I am fairly certain you didn't watch any of Wilson's preseason as a rookie, did you? So, how would you even reach that conclusion?
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Not a big deal, but I think it's funny you respond to posts like writing emails "Hi (poster)".
Hey what's up Best Feature?
Yeah I'm trying to respond to people in a more civilized way, so that we can have a respectful discussion.
Over the years, I've seen some of the interactions on this board, especially when there is a disagreement, and people can get pretty heated and viscous towards one another.
I'd like to avoid that if possible, especially if we're all Giants fans.
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Not a big deal, but I think it's funny you respond to posts like writing emails "Hi (poster)".
Hey what's up Best Feature?
Yeah I'm trying to respond to people in a more civilized way, so that we can have a respectful discussion.
Over the years, I've seen some of the interactions on this board, especially when there is a disagreement, and people can get pretty heated and viscous towards one another.
I'd like to avoid that if possible, especially if we're all Giants fans.
i appreciate your attempts at respectful discourse! Nice job.
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Not a big deal, but I think it's funny you respond to posts like writing emails "Hi (poster)".
Hey what's up Best Feature?
Yeah I'm trying to respond to people in a more civilized way, so that we can have a respectful discussion.
Over the years, I've seen some of the interactions on this board, especially when there is a disagreement, and people can get pretty heated and viscous towards one another.
I'd like to avoid that if possible, especially if we're all Giants fans.
Hey sxdxca, sounds like a good plan. Nice job.
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i appreciate your attempts at respectful discourse! Nice job.
Thanks Franchise, you too!
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Hey sxdxca, sounds like a good plan. Nice job.
Thanks Best Feature, you too man, peace out!