It actually makes perfect sense if he wants to continue his career for a few more years. Send him to Indy for a 3rd and a 5th and away we go with DJ while Eli writes his final chapter. Unless his plan is to retire at the end of this year.
The team turned down multiple offers for jacoby brissett. I don't see any logical reason for them to rent an older QB who hasn't played particularly well in recent years.
I know this isn't going to happen. And I know the Rafflee is going to take a ton of shit for posting this.
But there is a certain logic to this as far as all parties are concerned.
Giants are too invested (meaning they want him to finish a Giant) in Eli. Eli wants to finish a Giant. Colts are going to invest in a close to 40 qb when a strong qb class is ahead in draft. Nothing to see here
I know this isn't going to happen. And I know the Rafflee is going to take a ton of shit for posting this.
But there is a certain logic to this as far as all parties are concerned.
Giants are too invested (meaning they want him to finish a Giant) in Eli. Eli wants to finish a Giant. Colts are going to invest in a close to 40 qb when a strong qb class is ahead in draft. Nothing to see here
I just think that the Colts are very confident in Brissett. IIRC the Colts were offered a 1st or 2nd for Brissett last year but they turned it down.
The Colts are a team on the rise. They have a great offensive line, talent at both WR and TE, and a very good defense. Eli would be in an ideal situation and would provide great insurance for Brissett not working out.
Jones would start obviously with Tanney as the backup and Lauletta the #3.
I know this isn't going to happen. And I know the Rafflee is going to take a ton of shit for posting this.
But there is a certain logic to this as far as all parties are concerned.
There really isn’t any logic other than being a fan trying to make the connection. They like Brissett and, his salary is minuscule. What sense does it make for them to add on Eli’s contract? Especially when they just paid a bonus to a QB who just retired.
I’d love it to happen too. But, this is simply a pipe dream, perfect scenario for Giants fans due to how Jones has played in the pre-season.
And I’m one of the biggest Eli supporters on this site.
Eli is a lame duck QB. The successor has showed promise in the preseason. The Giants would get cap relief trading him.
The Colts have a good roster in a soft division. Eli would fit well in an offense with a good OL, nice receiving options, and solid running game. He’d be playing in a dome/good weather most of the season. There would be no obvious successor on the roster. Not many QBs in the AFC would have the playoff chops he has. None would have the success he has vs the Pats.
if this was late July, but the season starts in less than two weeks.
veteran or not, Eli would have to learn an entirely new system overnight, and it would send a message of incredible lack of confidence in Brisset who they seem to like.
And are the Giants willing to drop that kind of bomb to get, what, a mid-round pick or two?
I don't think that you are seeing Eli as other teams see him - Â
as having played in and lost one playoff game in the last seven seasons. You can really stop right there.
I like the idea of Jones not getting thrown into the starting lineup right away. So far everything has gone the way the Giants would have scripted it. He has outplayed Murray and Haskins.
He still has more tests to pass - like playing under fierce pressure - and I'm glad he isn't getting thrown to the wolves, or the Cowboys, in two weeks. The 'Boys defense is looking pretty tough right now and if Jones was pummeled by them and turned the ball over it could set back his confidence level.
if this was late July, but the season starts in less than two weeks.
veteran or not, Eli would have to learn an entirely new system overnight, and it would send a message of incredible lack of confidence in Brisset who they seem to like.
And are the Giants willing to drop that kind of bomb to get, what, a mid-round pick or two?
Brissett started for the Colts 7 days after being acquired. He was entering year two. Eli would have no problem picking up the offense IF their intention was for him to start week one. I would love to get Parris Campbell in return.
Yeah, I don't think this one is happening. And for people saying it makes sense - if you were Eli would you want to go to play in the town your brother owned for 15 years and is a legend? I think Indy is near the bottom of his list(if he has one).
as having played in and lost one playoff game in the last seven seasons. You can really stop right there.
I like the idea of Jones not getting thrown into the starting lineup right away. So far everything has gone the way the Giants would have scripted it. He has outplayed Murray and Haskins.
He still has more tests to pass - like playing under fierce pressure - and I'm glad he isn't getting thrown to the wolves, or the Cowboys, in two weeks. The 'Boys defense is looking pretty tough right now and if Jones was pummeled by them and turned the ball over it could set back his confidence level.
Eli looked good vs the Colts last year and played well in the last playoff game he played.
Brissett is a JAG. This is a lost season for a cost controlled, talented roster if Brissett is the guy for 16 games. Eli gives them a chance to not only make the playoffs but make noise in the playoffs.
This fan base and Joe Public have an odd take on Eli. If Ryan Fitzpatrick can get starting jobs Eli can.
And I’m one of the biggest Eli supporters on this site.
Eli is a lame duck QB. The successor has showed promise in the preseason. The Giants would get cap relief trading him.
The Colts have a good roster in a soft division. Eli would fit well in an offense with a good OL, nice receiving options, and solid running game. He’d be playing in a dome/good weather most of the season. There would be no obvious successor on the roster. Not many QBs in the AFC would have the playoff chops he has. None would have the success he has vs the Pats.
This is just so dumb. You’re literally looking at it from just one side, the Giant fan centric side. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised though.
It makes zero sense, from the Colts standpoint, for them to trade anything of value for an aging QB, making a lot of money, when they have a pretty good back up in Brissett (who they wouldn’t trade) and the fall back option of tanking and drafting from a crop of talented college QB’s.
Trading Eli would be great. None of the ideas here make any sense for the other side though.
If the Colts are winning with Brissett, but then he gets hurt, Â
They're in for one of two outcomes - either Brissett is a halfway decent QB and he works well with their roster, or he stinks and they tank and add a high draft pick in a QB heavy year.
That roster isn't an Eli Manning away from winning it all. They might not be an Eli Manning away from going deep into the playoffs, even Luck wasn't going to guarantee them that.
RE: If the Colts are winning with Brissett, but then he gets hurt, Â
as having played in and lost one playoff game in the last seven seasons. You can really stop right there.
I like the idea of Jones not getting thrown into the starting lineup right away. So far everything has gone the way the Giants would have scripted it. He has outplayed Murray and Haskins.
He still has more tests to pass - like playing under fierce pressure - and I'm glad he isn't getting thrown to the wolves, or the Cowboys, in two weeks. The 'Boys defense is looking pretty tough right now and if Jones was pummeled by them and turned the ball over it could set back his confidence level.
Eli looked good vs the Colts last year and played well in the last playoff game he played.
Brissett is a JAG. This is a lost season for a cost controlled, talented roster if Brissett is the guy for 16 games. Eli gives them a chance to not only make the playoffs but make noise in the playoffs.
This fan base and Joe Public have an odd take on Eli. If Ryan Fitzpatrick can get starting jobs Eli can.
Could not agree more. Guys like Foles get big money. Eli would have a contact in a heartbeat.
And I’m one of the biggest Eli supporters on this site.
Eli is a lame duck QB. The successor has showed promise in the preseason. The Giants would get cap relief trading him.
The Colts have a good roster in a soft division. Eli would fit well in an offense with a good OL, nice receiving options, and solid running game. He’d be playing in a dome/good weather most of the season. There would be no obvious successor on the roster. Not many QBs in the AFC would have the playoff chops he has. None would have the success he has vs the Pats.
This is just so dumb. You’re literally looking at it from just one side, the Giant fan centric side. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised though.
It makes zero sense, from the Colts standpoint, for them to trade anything of value for an aging QB, making a lot of money, when they have a pretty good back up in Brissett (who they wouldn’t trade) and the fall back option of tanking and drafting from a crop of talented college QB’s.
Trading Eli would be great. None of the ideas here make any sense for the other side though.
A “pretty good backup” doesn’t mean jackshit when now he’s the de facto starter for a team with aspirations of a deep playoff run.
And for your fallback option of tanking for a QB — I don’t know if the colts organization would say they got the ROI they expected the last time they tried that.
he has lost the mobility needed to evade the pass rush, even if only a single blitzer is coming in unblocked.
I've seen lots of occasions when other teams quarterbacks evaded a blitzing Collins or another player from the back seven just by sidestepping them. Eli used to be able to do this, as in the helmet catch. Now he can't.
That's why his play when the team was out of contention last season and his play in preseason mean very little.
But why debate it. In two weeks Eli will face the Cowboys in a hostile environment. If Eli stays on his feet and doesn't turn the ball over then I'll be the first to apologize for a wrong opinion.
so it's up to him if it were for this year. It would be a great situation for him IMHO. Dome, solid OL, run game, good core players, etc. I can see the Colts bringing him in and even extending him. However, we lose the opportunity for him to mentor Daniel this year and despite what many on here believe, I feel that is important. I believe it helped him to be mentored by Kurt just like it helped Mahommes to be mentored by Alex Smith. I like the sit and learn approach. Montana to Young. Favre to Rogers.
However, next year he is a FA if the Giants don't somehow retain him. Next year could be interesting. Eli could again mentor a young QB like a Tua for example. Would the Giants resign him as trade bait? Doubt it.
I have no words for this, and I know your not joking.
RAflee - just another example of some here who believe by stating the absurd they are making their pt. Some people are incapable of changing their mind once an opinion has been formulated, and as we read yesterday in the threads where some media are spinning Jones’ early success in a less than flattering manner; are so set in their opinion it makes little sense to engage them.
Indy has known about this for a week or so and they have little interest to give up any draft capital to get a 1 or 2 year rental.
In their view, they will see if Brissett can improve from his 2017 performance with a better roster surrounding him this year. If not, they will try to use the draft capital they have to trade up next year.
No QB is going to walk into a new system 2 weeks before the season and succeed.
Manning isn't winning any more games than Brisset this year. And if they are going to suck, better do it on the cheap than trade and asset and pay more for Manning.
But there is a certain logic to this as far as all parties are concerned.
But there is a certain logic to this as far as all parties are concerned.
Only as far as the perception that Indy needs a starting QB. For all we know they're comfortable with Brissett.
The Giants taking the shocking PR hit in making this trade after loudly proclaiming Eli the starter all summer? It wouldn't be logical for them.
I really hope this is a joke but going by your earlier posts I'm not sure.
But there is a certain logic to this as far as all parties are concerned.
Giants are too invested (meaning they want him to finish a Giant) in Eli. Eli wants to finish a Giant. Colts are going to invest in a close to 40 qb when a strong qb class is ahead in draft. Nothing to see here
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I know this isn't going to happen. And I know the Rafflee is going to take a ton of shit for posting this.
But there is a certain logic to this as far as all parties are concerned.
Giants are too invested (meaning they want him to finish a Giant) in Eli. Eli wants to finish a Giant. Colts are going to invest in a close to 40 qb when a strong qb class is ahead in draft. Nothing to see here
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The Colts are a team on the rise. They have a great offensive line, talent at both WR and TE, and a very good defense. Eli would be in an ideal situation and would provide great insurance for Brissett not working out.
Jones would start obviously with Tanney as the backup and Lauletta the #3.
But there is a certain logic to this as far as all parties are concerned.
There really isn’t any logic other than being a fan trying to make the connection. They like Brissett and, his salary is minuscule. What sense does it make for them to add on Eli’s contract? Especially when they just paid a bonus to a QB who just retired.
I’d love it to happen too. But, this is simply a pipe dream, perfect scenario for Giants fans due to how Jones has played in the pre-season.
Eli is a lame duck QB. The successor has showed promise in the preseason. The Giants would get cap relief trading him.
The Colts have a good roster in a soft division. Eli would fit well in an offense with a good OL, nice receiving options, and solid running game. He’d be playing in a dome/good weather most of the season. There would be no obvious successor on the roster. Not many QBs in the AFC would have the playoff chops he has. None would have the success he has vs the Pats.
veteran or not, Eli would have to learn an entirely new system overnight, and it would send a message of incredible lack of confidence in Brisset who they seem to like.
And are the Giants willing to drop that kind of bomb to get, what, a mid-round pick or two?
I like the idea of Jones not getting thrown into the starting lineup right away. So far everything has gone the way the Giants would have scripted it. He has outplayed Murray and Haskins.
He still has more tests to pass - like playing under fierce pressure - and I'm glad he isn't getting thrown to the wolves, or the Cowboys, in two weeks. The 'Boys defense is looking pretty tough right now and if Jones was pummeled by them and turned the ball over it could set back his confidence level.
veteran or not, Eli would have to learn an entirely new system overnight, and it would send a message of incredible lack of confidence in Brisset who they seem to like.
And are the Giants willing to drop that kind of bomb to get, what, a mid-round pick or two?
Brissett started for the Colts 7 days after being acquired. He was entering year two. Eli would have no problem picking up the offense IF their intention was for him to start week one. I would love to get Parris Campbell in return.
Colts probably don't want him.
Yeah, I don't think this one is happening. And for people saying it makes sense - if you were Eli would you want to go to play in the town your brother owned for 15 years and is a legend? I think Indy is near the bottom of his list(if he has one).
I like the idea of Jones not getting thrown into the starting lineup right away. So far everything has gone the way the Giants would have scripted it. He has outplayed Murray and Haskins.
He still has more tests to pass - like playing under fierce pressure - and I'm glad he isn't getting thrown to the wolves, or the Cowboys, in two weeks. The 'Boys defense is looking pretty tough right now and if Jones was pummeled by them and turned the ball over it could set back his confidence level.
Eli looked good vs the Colts last year and played well in the last playoff game he played.
Brissett is a JAG. This is a lost season for a cost controlled, talented roster if Brissett is the guy for 16 games. Eli gives them a chance to not only make the playoffs but make noise in the playoffs.
This fan base and Joe Public have an odd take on Eli. If Ryan Fitzpatrick can get starting jobs Eli can.
Eli is a lame duck QB. The successor has showed promise in the preseason. The Giants would get cap relief trading him.
The Colts have a good roster in a soft division. Eli would fit well in an offense with a good OL, nice receiving options, and solid running game. He’d be playing in a dome/good weather most of the season. There would be no obvious successor on the roster. Not many QBs in the AFC would have the playoff chops he has. None would have the success he has vs the Pats.
This is just so dumb. You’re literally looking at it from just one side, the Giant fan centric side. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised though.
It makes zero sense, from the Colts standpoint, for them to trade anything of value for an aging QB, making a lot of money, when they have a pretty good back up in Brissett (who they wouldn’t trade) and the fall back option of tanking and drafting from a crop of talented college QB’s.
Trading Eli would be great. None of the ideas here make any sense for the other side though.
That roster isn't an Eli Manning away from winning it all. They might not be an Eli Manning away from going deep into the playoffs, even Luck wasn't going to guarantee them that.
Right. There literally has be the perfect fucking scenario.
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as having played in and lost one playoff game in the last seven seasons. You can really stop right there.
I like the idea of Jones not getting thrown into the starting lineup right away. So far everything has gone the way the Giants would have scripted it. He has outplayed Murray and Haskins.
He still has more tests to pass - like playing under fierce pressure - and I'm glad he isn't getting thrown to the wolves, or the Cowboys, in two weeks. The 'Boys defense is looking pretty tough right now and if Jones was pummeled by them and turned the ball over it could set back his confidence level.
Eli looked good vs the Colts last year and played well in the last playoff game he played.
Brissett is a JAG. This is a lost season for a cost controlled, talented roster if Brissett is the guy for 16 games. Eli gives them a chance to not only make the playoffs but make noise in the playoffs.
This fan base and Joe Public have an odd take on Eli. If Ryan Fitzpatrick can get starting jobs Eli can.
Could not agree more. Guys like Foles get big money. Eli would have a contact in a heartbeat.
So I think Indy will still be in the hunt. With that OL, running game, defensive talent, etc, this team will be at least 9-7.
And while the Eli idea is based on some logic, Brissett is a much better athlete and in very good hands with Reich.
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And I’m one of the biggest Eli supporters on this site.
Eli is a lame duck QB. The successor has showed promise in the preseason. The Giants would get cap relief trading him.
The Colts have a good roster in a soft division. Eli would fit well in an offense with a good OL, nice receiving options, and solid running game. He’d be playing in a dome/good weather most of the season. There would be no obvious successor on the roster. Not many QBs in the AFC would have the playoff chops he has. None would have the success he has vs the Pats.
This is just so dumb. You’re literally looking at it from just one side, the Giant fan centric side. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised though.
It makes zero sense, from the Colts standpoint, for them to trade anything of value for an aging QB, making a lot of money, when they have a pretty good back up in Brissett (who they wouldn’t trade) and the fall back option of tanking and drafting from a crop of talented college QB’s.
Trading Eli would be great. None of the ideas here make any sense for the other side though.
A “pretty good backup” doesn’t mean jackshit when now he’s the de facto starter for a team with aspirations of a deep playoff run.
And for your fallback option of tanking for a QB — I don’t know if the colts organization would say they got the ROI they expected the last time they tried that.
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I know this isn't going to happen. And I know the Rafflee is going to take a ton of shit for posting this.
But there is a certain logic to this as far as all parties are concerned.
Only as far as the perception that Indy needs a starting QB. For all we know they're comfortable with Brissett.
The Giants taking the shocking PR hit in making this trade after loudly proclaiming Eli the starter all summer? It wouldn't be logical for them.
Shocking PR hit? Please give me a break, most in the media will think is the smart move...Only half of BBI would have a heart attack
I've seen lots of occasions when other teams quarterbacks evaded a blitzing Collins or another player from the back seven just by sidestepping them. Eli used to be able to do this, as in the helmet catch. Now he can't.
That's why his play when the team was out of contention last season and his play in preseason mean very little.
But why debate it. In two weeks Eli will face the Cowboys in a hostile environment. If Eli stays on his feet and doesn't turn the ball over then I'll be the first to apologize for a wrong opinion.
I have no words for this, and I know your not joking.
If you step back and look at this from a distance, it makes perfect sense for both teams unless Brissett is that good. NFL Network doesn't think so.
However, next year he is a FA if the Giants don't somehow retain him. Next year could be interesting. Eli could again mentor a young QB like a Tua for example. Would the Giants resign him as trade bait? Doubt it.
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While the hype is on.
I have no words for this, and I know your not joking.
RAflee - just another example of some here who believe by stating the absurd they are making their pt. Some people are incapable of changing their mind once an opinion has been formulated, and as we read yesterday in the threads where some media are spinning Jones’ early success in a less than flattering manner; are so set in their opinion it makes little sense to engage them.
Since 1925? Was that the year you became a schmuck?
But there is a certain logic to this as far as all parties are concerned.
In their view, they will see if Brissett can improve from his 2017 performance with a better roster surrounding him this year. If not, they will try to use the draft capital they have to trade up next year.
Manning isn't winning any more games than Brisset this year. And if they are going to suck, better do it on the cheap than trade and asset and pay more for Manning.
Brissett does have some game. You might be surprised...