They're in for one of two outcomes - either Brissett is a halfway decent QB and he works well with their roster, or he stinks and they tank and add a high draft pick in a QB heavy year.
That roster isn't an Eli Manning away from winning it all. They might not be an Eli Manning away from going deep into the playoffs, even Luck wasn't going to guarantee them that.
Good post. This.
RE: If the Colts are winning with Brissett, but then he gets hurt, Â
I say "all parties", I am selfishly meaning Jones and Manning.
For those of you who are too young (or too old - ha) to remember Simms-Hostetler, this Manning-Jones thing is going to get ugly. And nothing will convince me otherwise.
Whatever you think about Giants fans, they get downright NASTY when they pick side in a QB controversy. And yes, we're officially there now.
is not a starting QB I have no idea where people get the idea he is good. 3000yds 17 tds and 7 ints doesn't mean he is good.
Have you seen the guy play? He’s a big dude accurate passer and has a hell of a strong arm. BB praised him for his intelligence when he was a patriot. I see him as a slightly below average starter but he does have room to grow. That colt team is a good one. Sneaky talent
We're officially in the middle of a QB controversy.
Not that Shurmur hasn't had his questionable communication moments, but until he opens the door more with a struggling Eli (if it happens) the only QB controversy seems to be with fans...
This is not a team winning anything, with or without Manning, and they like Brissette. There is also a good QB class in the wings if Brissette does not play well to set them up going forward.
A trade to the Colts is a wonderful way for the GIants to complete the transition to Jones and end their QB controversy, but it makes no sense from the Colts side, unless they just want to help the Giants out by taking on their own QB controversy.
I was just noting Jones is still just heir apparent until Eli shows he doesn't make a difference in 2019. I think it will happen but that controversy hasn't yet started.
Do you actually recognize that at least half the fans want Jones starting now?
I would argue that starting Jones right now makes a certain degree of sense.
Hostetler was coming off a Superbowl win and a head coaching change. He was also a veteran ala Steve Young a few years later. That's a better comparison: Montana to Young.
We're not talking apples to apples, here. There is a precedent for what is happening here. Brees to Rivers: No controversy. Favre to Rodgers: No controversy. Alex Smith to Mahomes: No controversy.
I was just noting Jones is still just heir apparent until Eli shows he doesn't make a difference in 2019. I think it will happen but that controversy hasn't yet started.
Fans have already taken sides. Eli is just a placeholder right now unless you think the Giants really have a shot at the Super Bowl in 2019.
Eli is going to be second-guessed and booed until he is benched by half the fan base. The Giants are merely postponing the inevitable to these fans, who actually may be right.
You're fooling yourself if you don't think we are in the middle of a QB controversy. And it is going to get worse and worse with each incompletion, interception, and loss.
And then you'll be posting how mean half of BBI is.
The Giants have been extremely clear in their intentions.... Â
You're fooling yourself if you don't think we are in the middle of a QB controversy. And it is going to get worse and worse with each incompletion, interception, and loss.
And then you'll be posting how mean half of BBI is.
How stupid they are, maybe.
RE: The Giants have been extremely clear in their intentions.... Â
I was just noting Jones is still just heir apparent until Eli shows he doesn't make a difference in 2019. I think it will happen but that controversy hasn't yet started.
Fans have already taken sides. Eli is just a placeholder right now unless you think the Giants really have a shot at the Super Bowl in 2019.
Eli is going to be second-guessed and booed until he is benched by half the fan base. The Giants are merely postponing the inevitable to these fans, who actually may be right.
Fans second guessed Eli when we didn't even have Jones.
I am not arguing the Giants have a chance to win the superbowl, but this franchise has showed more than enough loyalty to Eli and the optimism of a brand new season to allow them to force this decision earlier than needed.
Jones will start in 2019 but I would shocked if its before Oct
If any part of the fan base has not accepted that Eli is the week 1... Â
starter and will remain so until they are out of contention or he is not helping them win games then they are delusional and not living based in reality.
You can wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which one gets filled first.
You're fooling yourself if you don't think we are in the middle of a QB controversy. And it is going to get worse and worse with each incompletion, interception, and loss.
And then you'll be posting how mean half of BBI is.
starter and will remain so until they are out of contention or he is not helping them win games then they are delusional and not living based in reality.
You can wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which one gets filled first.
The Giants have been clear in their intention.
Britt, a person can logically argue the following:
Why is Manning starting? This is a rebuilding year. We are wasting Saquon Barkley's limited shelf life on making sure that Eli finishes his career in a Giants uniform. What is more important the team or Eli? the sooner Jones plays, the sooner he enters his prime when Saquon is still in his prime. Jones needs to get out the lumps now and not in 2020 and 2021.
Contention? Contention for what? The Super Bowl?
On the flip side, if the coaching staff may not want to throw Jones to the wolves yet. But if this team is 4-6 or even 5-5 by game 10, what was the point?
starter and will remain so until they are out of contention or he is not helping them win games then they are delusional and not living based in reality.
You can wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which one gets filled first.
The Giants have been clear in their intention.
Britt, a person can logically argue the following:
Why is Manning starting? This is a rebuilding year. We are wasting Saquon Barkley's limited shelf life on making sure that Eli finishes his career in a Giants uniform. What is more important the team or Eli? the sooner Jones plays, the sooner he enters his prime when Saquon is still in his prime. Jones needs to get out the lumps now and not in 2020 and 2021.
Contention? Contention for what? The Super Bowl?
On the flip side, if the coaching staff may not want to throw Jones to the wolves yet. But if this team is 4-6 or even 5-5 by game 10, what was the point?
Sure, you can logically argue it. But the Giants have logically come to the conclusion that this is the path going forward. They specifically cited Smith to Mahomes in Kansas City. They feel that Jones will benefit from sitting and learning a little bit more. Maybe they want to give him a little more time since he's coming from Duke and not Ohio St.... Who knows.
But this is the path they've chosen. Now we can "logically" argue it, just like we can logically argue that Manning should be traded to Indy despite the myriad of reasons it can't happen (number one being Manning's no trade clause), then I guess we can participate in that exercise in futility.
RE: RE: If any part of the fan base has not accepted that Eli is the week 1... Â
What is more important the team or Eli? the sooner Jones plays, the sooner he enters his prime when Saquon is still in his prime. Jones needs to get out the lumps now and not in 2020 and 2021.
We had a long thread debate a few days ago that experience for a young QB doesn't really matter. That statistics showed QBs developed or not developed equally.
No Giants official has said that. It's the assumption by fans who could very be right. Mara may want Eli to start every game. Shurmur may want to go the Manning-Warner route and start Jones even with a winning record.
Beyond what the team wants, the fans will want something else. And yes, fan pressure matters. Just see what happened when Manning was benched. Did you see how fast the Giants scrambled in damage control?
What the Giants do, what they should do, and what the fans want them to do, doesn't always line up.
Guessing what the Giants will do in this situation isn't tough -- they chose to pay Manning his full salary and he's been no. 1 on the chart. He's going to start.
But controversies aren't about guessing what will happen, they are born out of what outsiders think should happen.
What the Giants do, what they should do, and what the fans want them to do, doesn't always line up.
Guessing what the Giants will do in this situation isn't tough -- they chose to pay Manning his full salary and he's been no. 1 on the chart. He's going to start.
But controversies aren't about guessing what will happen, they are born out of what outsiders think should happen.
I am not saying what I am saying because I don't like Manning.
I don't think you guys realize how ugly this is going to get for Eli.
Eli's W-L record is 116-114. He could actually finish his career in New York with a losing record. More than that, he could finish his career hearing boos and being benched.
It may be best for Eli to play for a legit Super Bowl contender at this point and not deal with this shit.
This picture is just a preview...
What's funny is 90% of fans on BBI absolutely trashed the Daniel Jones Â
we know you love Eli, as we all do, but to put blinders on to the fact that Jones has basically been the most impressive QB in all of football in the preseason is just silly. He’s looked great in practice too. If Eli has a shitty game or games, and we start out in a hole, it will be a circus around here. Do you know how the NY media works?
RE: What's funny is 90% of fans on BBI absolutely trashed the Daniel Jones Â
we know you love Eli, as we all do, but to put blinders on to the fact that Jones has basically been the most impressive QB in all of football in the preseason is just silly. He’s looked great in practice too. If Eli has a shitty game or games, and we start out in a hole, it will be a circus around here. Do you know how the NY media works?
On the flip side, if Jones were to start, and struggle (which he probably will - remember Eli's rookie year?), half the fan base will say, "Bench him and start Eli again!"
Shades of Simms-Hostetler.
It never ended until the Giants let Hostetler go.
RE: What's funny is 90% of fans on BBI absolutely trashed the Daniel Jones Â
pick (I didn't, I loved it), and Gettleman for making it, and now after three preseason games we have a QB controversy.
That's what I think is funny.
Our feelings about the pick have nothing to do with it. The decision was made, and Jones’ development should now be the priority. The most meaningless games in Giants history were the nine Kurt Warner started in 2004. We’re about to add Eli’s 2019 starts onto that list.
I am not saying what I am saying because I don't like Manning.
I don't think you guys realize how ugly this is going to get for Eli.
Eli's W-L record is 116-114. He could actually finish his career in New York with a losing record. More than that, he could finish his career hearing boos and being benched.
It may be best for Eli to play for a legit Super Bowl contender at this point and not deal with this shit.
This picture is just a preview...
I see it going the same way.
Hopefully both Eli and/or Giants fans perform better than I predict them to
was made is basically a moot point now. We all know the media is garbage and they are just gonna do whatever fits their narrative for clicks. It’s up to Shurmur to start the guy who gives us the best chance to win. And right now, you can’t say with 100% certainty that it’s Eli.
First, it allows Manning and the Giants to part ways gracefully and without any bitter controversy. It preserves his legacy in Blue and leaves us all feeling like it ended well.
Second, if the worst case happens and everything goes off the rails again, it allows us to get at least a full season with Jones before the Justin Herbert/Tua quarterback class and TWO full seasons before Trevor Lawrence enters the NFL. I don't want the Giants to be knee-jerk like the Cardinals, but it's always better to know exactly what you have rather than be caught in 4-6 win limbo for a decade.
That roster isn't an Eli Manning away from winning it all. They might not be an Eli Manning away from going deep into the playoffs, even Luck wasn't going to guarantee them that.
Good post. This.
I agree with this. Right now, they would prefer Brissett to Eli. In the meantime, If Eli wants to play backup, he can do that here ;)
some brissett highlights - ( New Window )
For those of you who are too young (or too old - ha) to remember Simms-Hostetler, this Manning-Jones thing is going to get ugly. And nothing will convince me otherwise.
Whatever you think about Giants fans, they get downright NASTY when they pick side in a QB controversy. And yes, we're officially there now.
We're officially in the middle of a QB controversy.
Have you seen the guy play? He’s a big dude accurate passer and has a hell of a strong arm. BB praised him for his intelligence when he was a patriot. I see him as a slightly below average starter but he does have room to grow. That colt team is a good one. Sneaky talent
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We're officially in the middle of a QB controversy.
Not that Shurmur hasn't had his questionable communication moments, but until he opens the door more with a struggling Eli (if it happens) the only QB controversy seems to be with fans...
A trade to the Colts is a wonderful way for the GIants to complete the transition to Jones and end their QB controversy, but it makes no sense from the Colts side, unless they just want to help the Giants out by taking on their own QB controversy.
You didn't through this before, did you?
Did Simms falter? Did Hostetler falter?
Do you actually recognize that at least half the fans want Jones starting now?
I would argue that starting Jones right now makes a certain degree of sense.
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Did Simms falter? Did Hostetler falter?
Do you actually recognize that at least half the fans want Jones starting now?
I would argue that starting Jones right now makes a certain degree of sense.
Hostetler was coming off a Superbowl win and a head coaching change. He was also a veteran ala Steve Young a few years later. That's a better comparison: Montana to Young.
We're not talking apples to apples, here. There is a precedent for what is happening here. Brees to Rivers: No controversy. Favre to Rodgers: No controversy. Alex Smith to Mahomes: No controversy.
Fans have already taken sides. Eli is just a placeholder right now unless you think the Giants really have a shot at the Super Bowl in 2019.
Eli is going to be second-guessed and booed until he is benched by half the fan base. The Giants are merely postponing the inevitable to these fans, who actually may be right.
And then you'll be posting how mean half of BBI is.
People have accepted that Eli is the starter, until he is not. We are not in a full blown QB controversy yet.
And then you'll be posting how mean half of BBI is.
How stupid they are, maybe.
People have accepted that Eli is the starter, until he is not. We are not in a full blown QB controversy yet.
You have accepted that Eli is the starter. But you are not the entire fan base.
And what team management says will not impact what fans think.
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I was just noting Jones is still just heir apparent until Eli shows he doesn't make a difference in 2019. I think it will happen but that controversy hasn't yet started.
Fans have already taken sides. Eli is just a placeholder right now unless you think the Giants really have a shot at the Super Bowl in 2019.
Eli is going to be second-guessed and booed until he is benched by half the fan base. The Giants are merely postponing the inevitable to these fans, who actually may be right.
Fans second guessed Eli when we didn't even have Jones.
I am not arguing the Giants have a chance to win the superbowl, but this franchise has showed more than enough loyalty to Eli and the optimism of a brand new season to allow them to force this decision earlier than needed.
Jones will start in 2019 but I would shocked if its before Oct
You can wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which one gets filled first.
The Giants have been clear in their intention.
And then you'll be posting how mean half of BBI is.
this was a funny post though...
I call people stupid when they refuse to accept the reality that is right in front of their nose. Straight up refusal.
You can wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which one gets filled first.
The Giants have been clear in their intention.
Britt, a person can logically argue the following:
Why is Manning starting? This is a rebuilding year. We are wasting Saquon Barkley's limited shelf life on making sure that Eli finishes his career in a Giants uniform. What is more important the team or Eli? the sooner Jones plays, the sooner he enters his prime when Saquon is still in his prime. Jones needs to get out the lumps now and not in 2020 and 2021.
Contention? Contention for what? The Super Bowl?
On the flip side, if the coaching staff may not want to throw Jones to the wolves yet. But if this team is 4-6 or even 5-5 by game 10, what was the point?
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starter and will remain so until they are out of contention or he is not helping them win games then they are delusional and not living based in reality.
You can wish in one hand, and shit in the other, and see which one gets filled first.
The Giants have been clear in their intention.
Britt, a person can logically argue the following:
Why is Manning starting? This is a rebuilding year. We are wasting Saquon Barkley's limited shelf life on making sure that Eli finishes his career in a Giants uniform. What is more important the team or Eli? the sooner Jones plays, the sooner he enters his prime when Saquon is still in his prime. Jones needs to get out the lumps now and not in 2020 and 2021.
Contention? Contention for what? The Super Bowl?
On the flip side, if the coaching staff may not want to throw Jones to the wolves yet. But if this team is 4-6 or even 5-5 by game 10, what was the point?
Sure, you can logically argue it. But the Giants have logically come to the conclusion that this is the path going forward. They specifically cited Smith to Mahomes in Kansas City. They feel that Jones will benefit from sitting and learning a little bit more. Maybe they want to give him a little more time since he's coming from Duke and not Ohio St.... Who knows.
But this is the path they've chosen. Now we can "logically" argue it, just like we can logically argue that Manning should be traded to Indy despite the myriad of reasons it can't happen (number one being Manning's no trade clause), then I guess we can participate in that exercise in futility.
We had a long thread debate a few days ago that experience for a young QB doesn't really matter. That statistics showed QBs developed or not developed equally.
it was funny...
No Giants official has said that. It's the assumption by fans who could very be right. Mara may want Eli to start every game. Shurmur may want to go the Manning-Warner route and start Jones even with a winning record.
Beyond what the team wants, the fans will want something else. And yes, fan pressure matters. Just see what happened when Manning was benched. Did you see how fast the Giants scrambled in damage control?
Guessing what the Giants will do in this situation isn't tough -- they chose to pay Manning his full salary and he's been no. 1 on the chart. He's going to start.
But controversies aren't about guessing what will happen, they are born out of what outsiders think should happen.
It comes down to whether or not you think it would benefit the New York Giants to have Daniel Jones start sooner or later.
Where you are on this line of thinking will largely determine your position on Manning and Jones at this point.
Guessing what the Giants will do in this situation isn't tough -- they chose to pay Manning his full salary and he's been no. 1 on the chart. He's going to start.
But controversies aren't about guessing what will happen, they are born out of what outsiders think should happen.
Bingo.
I am not saying what I am saying because I don't like Manning.
I don't think you guys realize how ugly this is going to get for Eli.
Eli's W-L record is 116-114. He could actually finish his career in New York with a losing record. More than that, he could finish his career hearing boos and being benched.
It may be best for Eli to play for a legit Super Bowl contender at this point and not deal with this shit.
This picture is just a preview...
That's what I think is funny.
That's what I think is funny.
Yup.
On the flip side, if Jones were to start, and struggle (which he probably will - remember Eli's rookie year?), half the fan base will say, "Bench him and start Eli again!"
Shades of Simms-Hostetler.
It never ended until the Giants let Hostetler go.
That's what I think is funny.
Our feelings about the pick have nothing to do with it. The decision was made, and Jones’ development should now be the priority. The most meaningless games in Giants history were the nine Kurt Warner started in 2004. We’re about to add Eli’s 2019 starts onto that list.
I am not saying what I am saying because I don't like Manning.
I don't think you guys realize how ugly this is going to get for Eli.
Eli's W-L record is 116-114. He could actually finish his career in New York with a losing record. More than that, he could finish his career hearing boos and being benched.
It may be best for Eli to play for a legit Super Bowl contender at this point and not deal with this shit.
This picture is just a preview...
I see it going the same way.
Hopefully both Eli and/or Giants fans perform better than I predict them to
That's what I think is funny.
90% is an absurd exaggeration.
Second, if the worst case happens and everything goes off the rails again, it allows us to get at least a full season with Jones before the Justin Herbert/Tua quarterback class and TWO full seasons before Trevor Lawrence enters the NFL. I don't want the Giants to be knee-jerk like the Cardinals, but it's always better to know exactly what you have rather than be caught in 4-6 win limbo for a decade.
Haha!
This type of problem solving will land you a CEO role one day!