but I'm sure there are very specific things they are looking for that are multifaceted, and probably bigger than just Daniel Jones.
Let's just say hypothetically, the Giants start out 4-0, and looking pretty good. Manning is playing lights out.
Then they drop one. You ready to yank Manning and roll the dice? That makes the decision much harder.
It's a fluid decision, and will remain so. As Pat Shurmur has said a billion times now, when it's Jones time to play, he'll be ready. They are very aware of their situation. All of it.
he has played somewhat "out of his mind" during preseason, but the environment changes when the regular season starts (e.g., more blitzing, disguising coverages). I know you that, but it's one good reason to let him learn on the sidelines.
Pretty clear, Eli will not be here after this season. You don't draft a guy at 6 to let him sit two years, and Eli will have other options.
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I believe Pat hen he says that when its Dan's time, he will be ready.
I'm just afraid that they are going to delay that time for as long as possible out of sentimentality towards Eli.
As I stated before, that wont be the worst thing in the world and not something that will set the franchise back decades or any other extreme argument. Just wont be whats in the best long term interest of the franchise.
I think a very likely scenario is Eli plays really well Â
worst thing the Giants could do is believe Daniel Jones could start now, but play Eli.
But if they don't think Jones can play now, starting Eli makes more sense.
The sooner Daniel plays, the better it is for the Giants as a franchise. They need to not worry about Eli's legacy. Eli's legacy is over. It's a two-time Super Bowl MVP who saw the second half of his career sabotaged by Jerry Reese and Marc Ross.
I don't mean that they are going to try to retard Jones development as some tried to pin on me on another thread.
One way to interpret that quote is: once Jones is ready, he will play.
Another way to interpret is: When Eli or the team shows that they are not going to be competitive and nothing will be lost by starting a rookie, Jones will be ready (and probably will have been for weeks / months)
I believe the correct interpretation is the latter.
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I think Eli gives them the best chance to win when the real games start. Jones will get his chance soon enough, before the season ends if Eli falters.
Mahomes sitting a year didn't hurt his performance
Sure. And I basically said above if the coaches think he's not ready, he should sit.
But if if he is ready - even if doesn't give the Giants the better chance to win in the short-term - then sitting him makes little sense. Again, Barkley's shelf life is only so long. We don't have the luxury of giving Eli a goodbye season here.
that suggests that he is not ready to start week 1. Sure, sitting Mahomes a year did not hurt him. I can give you many more QBs in recent history that started week 1 of their rookie year and were not hurt by that. Some of them even took their teams to the playoffs.
I think some of those that are insisting that Jones needs to sit on the bench and learn more are really just saying they want to see Eli get another chance to finish on a high note, which is fine. I am ok with Eli starting the season with a short leash, but I am certainly not going to sit here and say with conviction that Eli gives the Giants a better chance to win this year than Jones.
he has played somewhat "out of his mind" during preseason, but the environment changes when the regular season starts (e.g., more blitzing, disguising coverages). I know you that, but it's one good reason to let him learn on the sidelines.
Pretty clear, Eli will not be here after this season. You don't draft a guy at 6 to let him sit two years, and Eli will have other options.
Well, with Mara's adoration for Eli, I don't think anything is a given. And I'm not so sure Mara wants to see Eli in another uniform. I think that may crush the old man.
There is nothing like playing in a live game. You can't replicate it in practice or preseason. The only way to learn is to play. So I just don't buy this learning on the sideline gig. Particularly in today's game where it's more QB and offensive friendly, this view seems old and stale.
worst thing the Giants could do is believe Daniel Jones could start now, but play Eli.
But if they don't think Jones can play now, starting Eli makes more sense.
The sooner Daniel plays, the better it is for the Giants as a franchise. They need to not worry about Eli's legacy. Eli's legacy is over. It's a two-time Super Bowl MVP who saw the second half of his career sabotaged by Jerry Reese and Marc Ross.
Agree with all this. But there still can be greyness that they "think" Jones can play now but not 100% sure, so they use that as there backdrop to wait. And then maybe use a struggling Eli or struggling offense to force the change.
Of course it is grey. Manning is the better QB in terms of decision-making right now simply because of his experience. He has seen it all.
Jones hasn't seen what starting NFL defenses are going to do to confuse him. They haven't game-planned for him yet. He is going to make stupid, stupid mistakes.
But again, the clock is ticking.
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that suggests that he is not ready to start week 1. Sure, sitting Mahomes a year did not hurt him. I can give you many more QBs in recent history that started week 1 of their rookie year and were not hurt by that. Some of them even took their teams to the playoffs.
I think some of those that are insisting that Jones needs to sit on the bench and learn more are really just saying they want to see Eli get another chance to finish on a high note, which is fine. I am ok with Eli starting the season with a short leash, but I am certainly not going to sit here and say with conviction that Eli gives the Giants a better chance to win this year than Jones.
Sitting mahomes probably didn't hurt him, but it wasn't in the best interest of the team?
Is it possible that he beats the patriots in that playoff game if he had another year of experience under his belt?
at that stage yet. We may debate the nuances but another thing has to still happen...and that's either Eli struggles or time on a winning season has run out.
I was just noting Jones is still just heir apparent until Eli shows he doesn't make a difference in 2019. I think it will happen but that controversy hasn't yet started.
Fans have already taken sides. Eli is just a placeholder right now unless you think the Giants really have a shot at the Super Bowl in 2019.
Eli is going to be second-guessed and booed until he is benched by half the fan base. The Giants are merely postponing the inevitable to these fans, who actually may be right.
Seems like fans run the team, under this assumption, than the gm. Ala Eli fiasco with geno smith. Pathetic to believe so if were even remotely true.
It's not about it being a goodbye season for Eli - like Herm Edwards said "You play to win the game". IMO, and others - Eli gives them the best chance to win.
RE: Barkley - If Eli gives them the best chance to win, why wouldn't you use the QB who gives you the better chance of winning during that shelf life?
bw - Keep in mind, it's not just about what people want for Eli. Put yourself in his shoes. He knows Jones is the future - do you sign basicaly a year to year extension while you're keeping the seat warm for Jones, knowing that any string of mistakes could send you to the bench - or do you look around the league and ask - what is the best place for me to play given where I'm at in this point in my career. If his agent has any semblence of competence - I'm sure that search began a year if not two years ago.
Mara remembers the mobs/fans marching outside the castle with torches lit a few years just two seasons ago - won't take much for that to resurface. And, re: Maras overiding Shurmur (who is Gettleman's guys) leaks are a powerful tool during organizational power struggles
I'm not qualified to make the call so, I'm okay whichever direction they go in. But, if the decision is to go w/Jones - I'd try to get Eli and another team to agree to a trade. Get something for him, if possible - and remove the distraction
With Eli and Giants fans — it’s like the boyfriend or girlfriend who breaks up with their significant other but gets jealous when their ex moves on.
Half the people here think Eli sucks but don’t want him to play anywhere else. It’s odd.
Eli is in the last year of his contract and his successor is nipping at his heels. He’s playing in the toughest media market for a very critical fan base. The rest of the roster is in transition. Objectively, this is a terrible situation for someone in Eli’s shoes.
If he wants to continue his playing career beyond this season, it’s going to be with another team. The Colts would be a great fit for a lot of reasons and it would be a win for all parties involved if they work out a deal.
Eli is in the last year of his contract and his successor is nipping at his heels. He’s playing in the toughest media market for a very critical fan base. The rest of the roster is in transition. Objectively, this is a terrible situation for someone in Eli’s shoes.
what?? The Giants have arguably put a better line in front of him, given him a fabulous running back, a rising TE and jettisoned his headache (albeit very talented) WR.
Objectively...his situation is better now except time is up with his contract.
like others have pointed out many times on this site Â
the problem with measuring how much an aging athlete has in the tank, is that it is not predictable like a car's gas tank. you know when your car will run out of gas. with an aging athlete skills (i.e., QB's arm) - the tank could be depleted to the point of impacting performance, at any point in the season - and it is not unlikely that it will happen later in the year, the most important part of the season.
Whether he starts or not, the Jones era has already begun
Eli is in the last year of his contract and his successor is nipping at his heels. He’s playing in the toughest media market for a very critical fan base. The rest of the roster is in transition. Objectively, this is a terrible situation for someone in Eli’s shoes.
what?? The Giants have arguably put a better line in front of him, given him a fabulous running back, a rising TE and jettisoned his headache (albeit very talented) WR.
Objectively...his situation is better now except time is up with his contract.
The entire roster is in transition. A better situation doesn’t mean anything if the standard is dogshit to somewhere better than dogshit.
The OL is a question mark. The receiving options are a question mark. The only sure thing on offense is Barkley. The entire defense is a question mark.
The entire situation screams placeholder QB to any reasonable person. If Eli thinks he can play several more years in the league, this is one of the worst spots for him.
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I was just noting Jones is still just heir apparent until Eli shows he doesn't make a difference in 2019. I think it will happen but that controversy hasn't yet started.
Fans have already taken sides. Eli is just a placeholder right now unless you think the Giants really have a shot at the Super Bowl in 2019.
Eli is going to be second-guessed and booed until he is benched by half the fan base. The Giants are merely postponing the inevitable to these fans, who actually may be right.
Seems like fans run the team, under this assumption, than the gm. Ala Eli fiasco with geno smith. Pathetic to believe so if were even remotely true.
Personally I don't need a SB to be happy with the season. If this team plays competitive football and makes the playoffs, even being 1 and done, I'll be a satisfied fan.
Side note, it's nice to be able to have an adult conversation on this topic without the usual shit flingers mucking it up.
I didn't like that move, personally. Thought they rushed him in. And, he struggled mightily. Ironically, I think his first good game was against Rivers in San Diego - in a losing effort.
The Eli situation was completely different, a highly complex Â
offense before the rule changes playing top 10 defense after top 10 defense. The way the NFL is set up today I'm starting to think Daniel Jones is a better fit and there is an argument to be made there won't be much drop off in play.
The entire roster is in transition. A better situation doesn’t mean anything if the standard is dogshit to somewhere better than dogshit.
The OL is a question mark. The receiving options are a question mark. The only sure thing on offense is Barkley. The entire defense is a question mark.
The entire situation screams placeholder QB to any reasonable person. If Eli thinks he can play several more years in the league, this is one of the worst spots for him.
The placeholder QB is a different point. Whether it was right or wrong is moot...that ship sailed when they gave Eli $5M for his roster bonus in March.
And I don't disagree there are questions but no dispute the dogshit has gotten better pieces.
I'm not disagreeing with your logic. But Warner gave the Giants a better shot to win in 2004 than Eli. The Giants tanked after that.
But wouldn't you say that was the right move?
Wouldn't we have to the results of the alternative plan(s) to say which was the better move? Certainly moving to Manning produced results we are happy with, but that only presents that specific road.
If Eli doesn't start in 2004 and go through those growing pains, he more than likely goes through those growing pains in 2005 and we don't make the playoffs that year.
and watching. You can learn but you can also learn better by playing. Unless you're so worried about our OL ruining Jones's confidence. But then what the hell have we been doing the last 2 seasons. This isn't an Alex Smith situation where the team is really good and Smith might be better than a rookie Mahomes.
If Eli doesn't start in 2004 and go through those growing pains, he more than likely goes through those growing pains in 2005 and we don't make the playoffs that year.
Eric my point is simply that how many times in life does something happen where we say to ourselves "I didn't see that coming?"
I don't see the point in deciding what the better road was when we don't know the results of the other alternatives
If Eli doesn't start in 2004 and go through those growing pains, he more than likely goes through those growing pains in 2005 and we don't make the playoffs that year.
Eric my point is simply that how many times in life does something happen where we say to ourselves "I didn't see that coming?"
I don't see the point in deciding what the better road was when we don't know the results of the other alternatives
That's a huge issue too. Eli has made noise that he's not retiring any time soon.
So the sooner he moves on, the better for him too.
There is no future for him in New York unless something weird happens with Jones or Jones is a complete bust.
Exactly.
I think people are assuming Eli has internally committed to playing this last year out and riding off into the sunset. I don’t think that’s the case.
He’s talked about how good his body feels and how strong his arm feels. On the injury front he’s essentially made it out unscathed over a 16 year career. He has less injury mileage than Brady, Brees, Ben, and Rivers.
He may think he can play another 5 years. That’s definitely not going to happen here.
And realize that Pay Shurmur thinks this is a playoff team as of today. And in order to make the playoffs... he feels Eli is the best route.
Players don’t play for 2020. They are playing for 2019.
Of course. And Shurmur's immediate motivations (job security) are different than Gettleman's.
But that doesn't make it right.
Doesn’t make it wrong either. The point is get to the dance. And Shurmur is going to do what he thinks is best to get them there.
To me there is no difference is Jones starts 4, 6, or even 8 games. Every season is a new animal. It has been proven you can sit the whole year or play 1 game and be fine.
And realize that Pay Shurmur thinks this is a playoff team as of today. And in order to make the playoffs... he feels Eli is the best route.
Players don’t play for 2020. They are playing for 2019.
dep, do you know anything going on with the Rangers at all? I don't believe you're a hockey fan since I don't remember you in any Rangers related threads. The Rangers were underwhelming but still in the playoff hunt during the 2017-18 season, they were coming off a season where they went to the second round, were very close to making it to the conference final, and were in the playoffs 12 of the last 13 seasons, including a trip to the Final and eastern conference final in the last few years. The GM blew it all up even though they clearly could have made the playoffs because he wanted to build a contender for years to come. Now, no Alain Vigneault wasn't responsible for it. However, either Gettleman or Mara should be more concerned about the future of the team over possibly being a one and done in the playoffs by getting lucky this year as a 9-7 wildcard team.
is if you think you have a shot at winning the SB with him.
Although I'm in favor of playing Jones sooner rather than later (not week 1) I don't need a SB win to be happy with the season. As stated above, just give me competitive well executed football week in week out and I'll be happy.
I don't think that will happen with this roster no matter who the QB is but I'm not the GM and couldn't get that job if I wanted to be.
Let's just say hypothetically, the Giants start out 4-0, and looking pretty good. Manning is playing lights out.
Then they drop one. You ready to yank Manning and roll the dice? That makes the decision much harder.
It's a fluid decision, and will remain so. As Pat Shurmur has said a billion times now, when it's Jones time to play, he'll be ready. They are very aware of their situation. All of it.
Pretty clear, Eli will not be here after this season. You don't draft a guy at 6 to let him sit two years, and Eli will have other options.
thats what I'm afraid of.
I believe Pat hen he says that when its Dan's time, he will be ready.
I'm just afraid that they are going to delay that time for as long as possible out of sentimentality towards Eli.
As I stated before, that wont be the worst thing in the world and not something that will set the franchise back decades or any other extreme argument. Just wont be whats in the best long term interest of the franchise.
The offense could very easily be playing well with marginal play on the defensive side of the ball...
But if they don't think Jones can play now, starting Eli makes more sense.
The sooner Daniel plays, the better it is for the Giants as a franchise. They need to not worry about Eli's legacy. Eli's legacy is over. It's a two-time Super Bowl MVP who saw the second half of his career sabotaged by Jerry Reese and Marc Ross.
One way to interpret that quote is: once Jones is ready, he will play.
Another way to interpret is: When Eli or the team shows that they are not going to be competitive and nothing will be lost by starting a rookie, Jones will be ready (and probably will have been for weeks / months)
I believe the correct interpretation is the latter.
The offense could very easily be playing well with marginal play on the defensive side of the ball...
yeah, I got a real bad feeling about this def. I think its going to be ugly.
I think Eli gives them the best chance to win when the real games start. Jones will get his chance soon enough, before the season ends if Eli falters.
Mahomes sitting a year didn't hurt his performance
I think Eli gives them the best chance to win when the real games start. Jones will get his chance soon enough, before the season ends if Eli falters.
Mahomes sitting a year didn't hurt his performance
So you telling me Jones cant lead the Giants to 8 wins in the next 2 seasons?
I think Eli gives them the best chance to win when the real games start. Jones will get his chance soon enough, before the season ends if Eli falters.
Mahomes sitting a year didn't hurt his performance
Sure. And I basically said above if the coaches think he's not ready, he should sit.
But if if he is ready - even if doesn't give the Giants the better chance to win in the short-term - then sitting him makes little sense. Again, Barkley's shelf life is only so long. We don't have the luxury of giving Eli a goodbye season here.
agreed, I think there wont be much of one which factors heavily into my prediction. But what do I know
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becoming a detriment to winning. He was shot, gunshy, and prone to fumbling. He was a shell of the player he was, or would return to be.
It wasn't just because we lost two. Warner was ineffective. We'll see if that happens with Eli.
I'm just saying that we wont make the switch after two ineffective games. Eli's leash will be much longer than Kurt's. Thats my prediction anyway.
agree, I have same view
I think some of those that are insisting that Jones needs to sit on the bench and learn more are really just saying they want to see Eli get another chance to finish on a high note, which is fine. I am ok with Eli starting the season with a short leash, but I am certainly not going to sit here and say with conviction that Eli gives the Giants a better chance to win this year than Jones.
Pretty clear, Eli will not be here after this season. You don't draft a guy at 6 to let him sit two years, and Eli will have other options.
Well, with Mara's adoration for Eli, I don't think anything is a given. And I'm not so sure Mara wants to see Eli in another uniform. I think that may crush the old man.
There is nothing like playing in a live game. You can't replicate it in practice or preseason. The only way to learn is to play. So I just don't buy this learning on the sideline gig. Particularly in today's game where it's more QB and offensive friendly, this view seems old and stale.
But if they don't think Jones can play now, starting Eli makes more sense.
The sooner Daniel plays, the better it is for the Giants as a franchise. They need to not worry about Eli's legacy. Eli's legacy is over. It's a two-time Super Bowl MVP who saw the second half of his career sabotaged by Jerry Reese and Marc Ross.
Agree with all this. But there still can be greyness that they "think" Jones can play now but not 100% sure, so they use that as there backdrop to wait. And then maybe use a struggling Eli or struggling offense to force the change.
Jones hasn't seen what starting NFL defenses are going to do to confuse him. They haven't game-planned for him yet. He is going to make stupid, stupid mistakes.
But again, the clock is ticking.
I think some of those that are insisting that Jones needs to sit on the bench and learn more are really just saying they want to see Eli get another chance to finish on a high note, which is fine. I am ok with Eli starting the season with a short leash, but I am certainly not going to sit here and say with conviction that Eli gives the Giants a better chance to win this year than Jones.
Sitting mahomes probably didn't hurt him, but it wasn't in the best interest of the team?
Is it possible that he beats the patriots in that playoff game if he had another year of experience under his belt?
So I'm not one to claim Eli this great decision maker on a football field...
my view at least...
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I was just noting Jones is still just heir apparent until Eli shows he doesn't make a difference in 2019. I think it will happen but that controversy hasn't yet started.
Fans have already taken sides. Eli is just a placeholder right now unless you think the Giants really have a shot at the Super Bowl in 2019.
Eli is going to be second-guessed and booed until he is benched by half the fan base. The Giants are merely postponing the inevitable to these fans, who actually may be right.
Seems like fans run the team, under this assumption, than the gm. Ala Eli fiasco with geno smith. Pathetic to believe so if were even remotely true.
RE: Barkley - If Eli gives them the best chance to win, why wouldn't you use the QB who gives you the better chance of winning during that shelf life?
bw - Keep in mind, it's not just about what people want for Eli. Put yourself in his shoes. He knows Jones is the future - do you sign basicaly a year to year extension while you're keeping the seat warm for Jones, knowing that any string of mistakes could send you to the bench - or do you look around the league and ask - what is the best place for me to play given where I'm at in this point in my career. If his agent has any semblence of competence - I'm sure that search began a year if not two years ago.
Mara remembers the mobs/fans marching outside the castle with torches lit a few years just two seasons ago - won't take much for that to resurface. And, re: Maras overiding Shurmur (who is Gettleman's guys) leaks are a powerful tool during organizational power struggles
I'm not qualified to make the call so, I'm okay whichever direction they go in. But, if the decision is to go w/Jones - I'd try to get Eli and another team to agree to a trade. Get something for him, if possible - and remove the distraction
Half the people here think Eli sucks but don’t want him to play anywhere else. It’s odd.
Eli is in the last year of his contract and his successor is nipping at his heels. He’s playing in the toughest media market for a very critical fan base. The rest of the roster is in transition. Objectively, this is a terrible situation for someone in Eli’s shoes.
If he wants to continue his playing career beyond this season, it’s going to be with another team. The Colts would be a great fit for a lot of reasons and it would be a win for all parties involved if they work out a deal.
Eli is in the last year of his contract and his successor is nipping at his heels. He’s playing in the toughest media market for a very critical fan base. The rest of the roster is in transition. Objectively, this is a terrible situation for someone in Eli’s shoes.
what?? The Giants have arguably put a better line in front of him, given him a fabulous running back, a rising TE and jettisoned his headache (albeit very talented) WR.
Objectively...his situation is better now except time is up with his contract.
the problem with measuring how much an aging athlete has in the tank, is that it is not predictable like a car's gas tank. you know when your car will run out of gas. with an aging athlete skills (i.e., QB's arm) - the tank could be depleted to the point of impacting performance, at any point in the season - and it is not unlikely that it will happen later in the year, the most important part of the season.
Whether he starts or not, the Jones era has already begun
But wouldn't you say that was the right move?
But wouldn't you say that was the right move?
People forget how tough the back half of our schedule was compared to the first half. I don't think Warner was going to win too much more than Eli.
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Eli is in the last year of his contract and his successor is nipping at his heels. He’s playing in the toughest media market for a very critical fan base. The rest of the roster is in transition. Objectively, this is a terrible situation for someone in Eli’s shoes.
what?? The Giants have arguably put a better line in front of him, given him a fabulous running back, a rising TE and jettisoned his headache (albeit very talented) WR.
Objectively...his situation is better now except time is up with his contract.
The entire roster is in transition. A better situation doesn’t mean anything if the standard is dogshit to somewhere better than dogshit.
The OL is a question mark. The receiving options are a question mark. The only sure thing on offense is Barkley. The entire defense is a question mark.
The entire situation screams placeholder QB to any reasonable person. If Eli thinks he can play several more years in the league, this is one of the worst spots for him.
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I was just noting Jones is still just heir apparent until Eli shows he doesn't make a difference in 2019. I think it will happen but that controversy hasn't yet started.
Fans have already taken sides. Eli is just a placeholder right now unless you think the Giants really have a shot at the Super Bowl in 2019.
Eli is going to be second-guessed and booed until he is benched by half the fan base. The Giants are merely postponing the inevitable to these fans, who actually may be right.
Seems like fans run the team, under this assumption, than the gm. Ala Eli fiasco with geno smith. Pathetic to believe so if were even remotely true.
Personally I don't need a SB to be happy with the season. If this team plays competitive football and makes the playoffs, even being 1 and done, I'll be a satisfied fan.
Side note, it's nice to be able to have an adult conversation on this topic without the usual shit flingers mucking it up.
The entire roster is in transition. A better situation doesn’t mean anything if the standard is dogshit to somewhere better than dogshit.
The OL is a question mark. The receiving options are a question mark. The only sure thing on offense is Barkley. The entire defense is a question mark.
The entire situation screams placeholder QB to any reasonable person. If Eli thinks he can play several more years in the league, this is one of the worst spots for him.
The placeholder QB is a different point. Whether it was right or wrong is moot...that ship sailed when they gave Eli $5M for his roster bonus in March.
And I don't disagree there are questions but no dispute the dogshit has gotten better pieces.
But wouldn't you say that was the right move?
Wouldn't we have to the results of the alternative plan(s) to say which was the better move? Certainly moving to Manning produced results we are happy with, but that only presents that specific road.
So the sooner he moves on, the better for him too.
There is no future for him in New York unless something weird happens with Jones or Jones is a complete bust.
Eric my point is simply that how many times in life does something happen where we say to ourselves "I didn't see that coming?"
I don't see the point in deciding what the better road was when we don't know the results of the other alternatives
Players don’t play for 2020. They are playing for 2019.
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If Eli doesn't start in 2004 and go through those growing pains, he more than likely goes through those growing pains in 2005 and we don't make the playoffs that year.
Eric my point is simply that how many times in life does something happen where we say to ourselves "I didn't see that coming?"
I don't see the point in deciding what the better road was when we don't know the results of the other alternatives
Well it does happen all the time in sports.
Both 2007 and 2011 come to mind.
So the sooner he moves on, the better for him too.
There is no future for him in New York unless something weird happens with Jones or Jones is a complete bust.
Exactly.
I think people are assuming Eli has internally committed to playing this last year out and riding off into the sunset. I don’t think that’s the case.
He’s talked about how good his body feels and how strong his arm feels. On the injury front he’s essentially made it out unscathed over a 16 year career. He has less injury mileage than Brady, Brees, Ben, and Rivers.
He may think he can play another 5 years. That’s definitely not going to happen here.
Players don’t play for 2020. They are playing for 2019.
Of course. And Shurmur's immediate motivations (job security) are different than Gettleman's.
But that doesn't make it right.
What we know is that the arc of Eli's career led to 2007 and 2011.
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And realize that Pay Shurmur thinks this is a playoff team as of today. And in order to make the playoffs... he feels Eli is the best route.
Players don’t play for 2020. They are playing for 2019.
Of course. And Shurmur's immediate motivations (job security) are different than Gettleman's.
But that doesn't make it right.
Doesn’t make it wrong either. The point is get to the dance. And Shurmur is going to do what he thinks is best to get them there.
To me there is no difference is Jones starts 4, 6, or even 8 games. Every season is a new animal. It has been proven you can sit the whole year or play 1 game and be fine.
Players don’t play for 2020. They are playing for 2019.
dep, do you know anything going on with the Rangers at all? I don't believe you're a hockey fan since I don't remember you in any Rangers related threads. The Rangers were underwhelming but still in the playoff hunt during the 2017-18 season, they were coming off a season where they went to the second round, were very close to making it to the conference final, and were in the playoffs 12 of the last 13 seasons, including a trip to the Final and eastern conference final in the last few years. The GM blew it all up even though they clearly could have made the playoffs because he wanted to build a contender for years to come. Now, no Alain Vigneault wasn't responsible for it. However, either Gettleman or Mara should be more concerned about the future of the team over possibly being a one and done in the playoffs by getting lucky this year as a 9-7 wildcard team.
Although I'm in favor of playing Jones sooner rather than later (not week 1) I don't need a SB win to be happy with the season. As stated above, just give me competitive well executed football week in week out and I'll be happy.
I don't think that will happen with this roster no matter who the QB is but I'm not the GM and couldn't get that job if I wanted to be.
They play the games for a reason.