If a situation like Indy, where they are a team essentially set up to win now, why wouldn't he at least consider it?
Of course everyone will say, well he wants to retire a Giant. Well if that's the case, then why does the Manning camp (including Archie), keep saying that hey wants to play a few more years.
Eli can certainly ride out this year and if he does want to play, have his pick in Free Agency of where to play next year. I just don't think too many opportunities are going to be out there like Indy has right now.
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I say Jones is ready because of the way he handled this situation in this market, with the circus surrounding the draft and the criticisms he has faced. He has ice water in his veins. He has showed, ZERO FEAR. Stage is not to big for him.
Ultimately I think that's the most impressive thing about him, and is the foundation for the physical feats that have impressed us.
First game of preseason, after weeks of being referred to as among the (if not THE) worst top ten draft pick in decades or even all time, and he plays about as perfectly as a rookie QB can in his first appearance against an opponent, with not a shred of chalance.
Second game, after discussion about whether this was a fluke, does the same thing and shakes off two negative plays that could, under other circumstances, precipitate a downward spiral.
Third game, after yet even further discussion about whether this was a fluke and after being plastered, throws some absolutely ballsy F-you tosses.
It's still early yet but we've seen this play out before. I think the guy has that proverbial IT about him, and I might just be done doubting whether he'll rise to the occasion. I think he'd do so to the absolute limits of whatever his ability happens to be at any given time, and what's more, he may actually benefit from moments of misfortune.
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If a situation like Indy, where they are a team essentially set up to win now, why wouldn't he at least consider it?
Of course everyone will say, well he wants to retire a Giant. Well if that's the case, then why does the Manning camp (including Archie), keep saying that hey wants to play a few more years.
Eli can certainly ride out this year and if he does want to play, have his pick in Free Agency of where to play next year. I just don't think too many opportunities are going to be out there like Indy has right now.
He’s already said he is not uprooting his family. And has stated his kids have started school and he won’t do that.
If a situation like Indy, where they are a team essentially set up to win now, why wouldn't he at least consider it?
Of course everyone will say, well he wants to retire a Giant. Well if that's the case, then why does the Manning camp (including Archie), keep saying that hey wants to play a few more years.
Eli can certainly ride out this year and if he does want to play, have his pick in Free Agency of where to play next year. I just don't think too many opportunities are going to be out there like Indy has right now.
He’s already said he is not uprooting his family. And has stated his kids have started school and he won’t do that.
not doubting you but curious where you saw this
I know he said playing his entire career for the Giants is important to him
Because Indy likely suspects Brissett will be better in that offense and has upside. If I am Indy I would not trade for Eli Manning. If it were 2011, different ballgame.
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yeah, kind of makes this 300 post thread moot, doesn't it?
Not really. Most of the posts in here that were interesting were about whether there is a QB controversy and if Giants are better off playing DJ earlier.
the Indy thing was more of a side-bar...
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You have to be able to separate the player from the team. Eli himself was pretty damn good in 2015. He was less of a catalyst in 2016 - but the team won 11 games and he was very sharp @ Lambeau. Us losing that game had nothing to do with him - he showed up that night. Beckham failed him and the defense really failed him.
2017 was a disaster for so many reasons. The RB group was garbage. Beckham missed most of the year. The offensive line was in shambles. The defense was awful. The coach lost the team.
How does one look at a year like that and deduce that the QB was the problem? Eli was set up to fail with a WCO coach who was clueless and didn't understand his QB's strengths. He's a pocket passer that was given zero pass protection, no running game, and had no WR's to throw to before we even hit the midway point.
2017 was quite literally an impossible scenario for him.
Last year, he actually played quite well at many different junctures. He had one of his best statistical years. But again - the offensive line was poor/average at best for most of the year and only started to gel more near the end. But again - the 2018 Giants defense was bad. The offense was league average. Not great, also not bad at all.
The idea here is to actually allow him to play football with a roster that sets him up to succeed and do the things he does well. We have an elite RB now. We have what should be at least a decent offensive line now where he won't have pass rushers breathing down his neck before he even gets off his first read.
It would be "insanity" if the Giants kept neglecting to fix the offensive line and kept setting Eli up to fail with rosters that he simply can't win with.
The FO believes he can win with this one. I still think we're an offseason away from having a good enough roster to compete for the division and playoffs - but I'd be willing to bet that Eli is quite a bit better than many people think he'll be.
If he's not, we're now prepared for that. We don't have to bellyache over punting on the 2018 QB class anymore. The QB is here, and he will play when his time comes.
It's simply unprovable that Jones is going to be negatively impacted if he plays in 8 games rather than 12 or whatever ~4-5 game difference you want to create. I really don't think it matters much at all - it's a point being belabored with no real data to support it. [/quote]
Good post. My prediction is Eli plays really well this year, they are in contention or make playoffs and Eli plays for a team like the Colts next year because he has proven he can still play but the Giants want to start a new chapter.
that pesky no-trade thing...
Of course everyone will say, well he wants to retire a Giant. Well if that's the case, then why does the Manning camp (including Archie), keep saying that hey wants to play a few more years.
Eli can certainly ride out this year and if he does want to play, have his pick in Free Agency of where to play next year. I just don't think too many opportunities are going to be out there like Indy has right now.
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that pesky no-trade thing...
yeah, kind of makes this 300 post thread moot, doesn't it?
I say Jones is ready because of the way he handled this situation in this market, with the circus surrounding the draft and the criticisms he has faced. He has ice water in his veins. He has showed, ZERO FEAR. Stage is not to big for him.
Ultimately I think that's the most impressive thing about him, and is the foundation for the physical feats that have impressed us.
First game of preseason, after weeks of being referred to as among the (if not THE) worst top ten draft pick in decades or even all time, and he plays about as perfectly as a rookie QB can in his first appearance against an opponent, with not a shred of chalance.
Second game, after discussion about whether this was a fluke, does the same thing and shakes off two negative plays that could, under other circumstances, precipitate a downward spiral.
Third game, after yet even further discussion about whether this was a fluke and after being plastered, throws some absolutely ballsy F-you tosses.
It's still early yet but we've seen this play out before. I think the guy has that proverbial IT about him, and I might just be done doubting whether he'll rise to the occasion. I think he'd do so to the absolute limits of whatever his ability happens to be at any given time, and what's more, he may actually benefit from moments of misfortune.
Of course everyone will say, well he wants to retire a Giant. Well if that's the case, then why does the Manning camp (including Archie), keep saying that hey wants to play a few more years.
Eli can certainly ride out this year and if he does want to play, have his pick in Free Agency of where to play next year. I just don't think too many opportunities are going to be out there like Indy has right now.
He’s already said he is not uprooting his family. And has stated his kids have started school and he won’t do that.
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If a situation like Indy, where they are a team essentially set up to win now, why wouldn't he at least consider it?
Of course everyone will say, well he wants to retire a Giant. Well if that's the case, then why does the Manning camp (including Archie), keep saying that hey wants to play a few more years.
Eli can certainly ride out this year and if he does want to play, have his pick in Free Agency of where to play next year. I just don't think too many opportunities are going to be out there like Indy has right now.
He’s already said he is not uprooting his family. And has stated his kids have started school and he won’t do that.
not doubting you but curious where you saw this
I know he said playing his entire career for the Giants is important to him
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that pesky no-trade thing...
yeah, kind of makes this 300 post thread moot, doesn't it?
Not really. Most of the posts in here that were interesting were about whether there is a QB controversy and if Giants are better off playing DJ earlier.
the Indy thing was more of a side-bar...
He’s already said he is not uprooting his family. And has stated his kids have started school and he won’t do that.
I know I asked above, but tried searching for anything related to this in google, nothing came up. Was it something he said in an interview?
I wouldn't past Mara to insist on a no trade clause in Eli's contract... ;)
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with his no trade clause contract, too bad that was allowed to happen because Eli is driving this bus now...
I wouldn't past Mara to insist on a no trade clause in Eli's contract... ;)
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You have to be able to separate the player from the team. Eli himself was pretty damn good in 2015. He was less of a catalyst in 2016 - but the team won 11 games and he was very sharp @ Lambeau. Us losing that game had nothing to do with him - he showed up that night. Beckham failed him and the defense really failed him.
2017 was a disaster for so many reasons. The RB group was garbage. Beckham missed most of the year. The offensive line was in shambles. The defense was awful. The coach lost the team.
How does one look at a year like that and deduce that the QB was the problem? Eli was set up to fail with a WCO coach who was clueless and didn't understand his QB's strengths. He's a pocket passer that was given zero pass protection, no running game, and had no WR's to throw to before we even hit the midway point.
2017 was quite literally an impossible scenario for him.
Last year, he actually played quite well at many different junctures. He had one of his best statistical years. But again - the offensive line was poor/average at best for most of the year and only started to gel more near the end. But again - the 2018 Giants defense was bad. The offense was league average. Not great, also not bad at all.
The idea here is to actually allow him to play football with a roster that sets him up to succeed and do the things he does well. We have an elite RB now. We have what should be at least a decent offensive line now where he won't have pass rushers breathing down his neck before he even gets off his first read.
It would be "insanity" if the Giants kept neglecting to fix the offensive line and kept setting Eli up to fail with rosters that he simply can't win with.
The FO believes he can win with this one. I still think we're an offseason away from having a good enough roster to compete for the division and playoffs - but I'd be willing to bet that Eli is quite a bit better than many people think he'll be.
If he's not, we're now prepared for that. We don't have to bellyache over punting on the 2018 QB class anymore. The QB is here, and he will play when his time comes.
It's simply unprovable that Jones is going to be negatively impacted if he plays in 8 games rather than 12 or whatever ~4-5 game difference you want to create. I really don't think it matters much at all - it's a point being belabored with no real data to support it. [/quote]
Good post. My prediction is Eli plays really well this year, they are in contention or make playoffs and Eli plays for a team like the Colts next year because he has proven he can still play but the Giants want to start a new chapter.