Is one of the best in the NFL. Besides last game of the season where they may have been playing more 'vanilla' since the game had little playoff impact for them we have done pretty badly offensively against them. Their stunts up front confused the heck out of our interior OL. Pio and Hernandez are not guys with a ton of seasoning as starters, if they can keep Eli clean that will be a very big factor in us generating some offense.
I think we will score points on a bunch of teams this year but Marinelli has my utmost respect as a DC.
I don’t expect us to win but we better be competitive. Dallas has been loading up with high level talent in recent drafts. I’m told the last two drafts were really good — let’s see what sort of talent gap there is.
I don’t expect us to win but we better be competitive. Dallas has been loading up with high level talent in recent drafts. I’m told the last two drafts were really good — let’s see what sort of talent gap there is.
If our OL gels quick Barkley will be a tall task for any defense.
Once Zeke signs that number is getting off they key. Â
and it's a road game -- we looked visibly off on our fist road game this preseason -- particularly the offensive line -- but there were many sloppy gaffs --
I hope we beat them but it's going to be a real test of whether there has been any improvement in this team
The "patient side" of me says: "Don't put too much stock in Giants performance in Dallas Week One."
The Cowboys will come out in front of their home fans sky high expecting to win. Could be messy for us, but that won't necessarily mean we haven't made important strides. Just that will see the progress at a later date!
I hate saying that since I live here, but it's the truth. They are stacked everywhere. Hell, even Taco is starting to play well. I hope we get a nice surprise in 2 weeks, but not counting on it. 7 seems very light to me and will probably go to 10 if Zeke signs in time to play.
and it's a road game -- we looked visibly off on our fist road game this preseason -- particularly the offensive line -- but there were many sloppy gaffs --
I hope we beat them but it's going to be a real test of whether there has been any improvement in this team
The "patient side" of me says: "Don't put too much stock in Giants performance in Dallas Week One."
The Cowboys will come out in front of their home fans sky high expecting to win. Could be messy for us, but that won't necessarily mean we haven't made important strides. Just that will see the progress at a later date!
This will quite likely be a tough game for us. But at least the OL now has enough talent across the board to be adequate or better. Very interested to see if Shurmur can out coach Marinelli.
Come away from this thread feeling like people are overeating them.
I think their defense is legit, outside of Lawrence and Martin, the two linebackers might be the best players on the team. I honestly would not say Dallas is loaded everywhere as I think their offense is middle of the pack. The two questions for me are is how much improved will our defense be(if at all), and how much will an improved offensive line help versus the Dallas defensive front. I’d feel better if some of our young talented secondary players hadn’t missed time. Would have loved to see Baker come in with no rust, Ballantine has upside though.
expecting this to be a loss and a typical BBI meltdown..hope to be surprised though. Giants have not fared well against the Cowboys or Eagles recently and I'm not really seeing that change this season just yet.
The Giants D is very young and inexperienced. You might well see Baker, Ballentine and Beal getting reps at CB, Lawrence and McIntosh getting reps on D-line, Love getting reps at safety and Ximenes and Connolly getting reps at linebacker, all in their first NFL game. I expect Dallas to score a lot of points. I don't expect much from this defense early in the season. I expect them to do better by mid-season.
On the other hand, I think the Giants will score, too. I expect Eli to be a little better than last year. Plus Barkley to be a difference-maker. The Cowboys will probably load up the box to stop Barkley and make the Giants beat them through the air, figuring that without Tate, the Giants passing game is weak. I believe the Giants can handle that challenge, in part by using Barkley as a receiver. Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Saquon Barkley and Paul Perkins (for example) is a pretty capable set of receivers.
I'd look for in-game adjustments by both coaching staffs. Should be a fun game to watch if the Giants' D can weather the storm early.
So Giants +7 seems about right to me. 31-24, 35-28, something like that. But 7 is a lot of points in a divisional game. Probably the Cowboys give more points if Elliott plays.
I remember reading that NY teams always skew the line because there are so many NY bettors, but I expect that effect is somewhat reversed with Dallas. Anybody know anything about that part of it?
I think that offensively they aren't in sink. DC Bettcher has not shown much for the Cowboys to prepare or anticipate. Defensively our team speed has greatly increased and the secondary is much improved. I realize that many young players are being counted on, giving some cause for concern. The unknown is difficult to prepare for.
Vegas and many analysts are using the past seasons and record to predict how our Giants will perform in 2019 which I think is a big mistake. Also, they have placed to much stock about OBJ being jettisoned from the Offense. The 2019 Giants have a massive influx of young talent on both sides of the ball.
I am optimistic about this season and the Dallas game specifically. The OLine will eliminate Marinelli's A gap blitzes, I think the Giants may have the best guard tandem in the NFL. I think our Giants are going to surprise the fanbase and the NFL.
Take the points, though they will win outright.
spread easy to explain. Dallas gets 3 for being at home. dallas had a Â
higher finish than giants, and most importantly dallas has a bigger betting fan base than giants. don’t forget dallas is “America’s” team for many reasons. All of this accounts for the additional four points. Game still in betting swing stage. Wait until you see where real money comes in. Need to attract money probably on giants.
spread has little value in determining which team is better, rather it is based on which team is more valued. there’s always sucker money to be had.
RE: Dallas has not been overly impressive this preseason Â
I think that offensively they aren't in sink. DC Bettcher has not shown much for the Cowboys to prepare or anticipate. Defensively our team speed has greatly increased and the secondary is much improved. I realize that many young players are being counted on, giving some cause for concern. The unknown is difficult to prepare for.
Vegas and many analysts are using the past seasons and record to predict how our Giants will perform in 2019 which I think is a big mistake. Also, they have placed to much stock about OBJ being jettisoned from the Offense. The 2019 Giants have a massive influx of young talent on both sides of the ball.
I am optimistic about this season and the Dallas game specifically. The OLine will eliminate Marinelli's A gap blitzes, I think the Giants may have the best guard tandem in the NFL. I think our Giants are going to surprise the fanbase and the NFL.
Take the points, though they will win outright.
The Dallas first team offense has scored two touchdowns and two field goals in their 5 series. The defense has given up 1 touchdown on a short field setup by a muffed punt.
The Dallas starters have looked good in the preseason, especially on defense. Dallas will have a top 5 defense this year and if they get turnovers, like in the preseason, Dallas will have the best defense in the NFL.
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
At LB past the starting three the depth is good, led by Joe Thomas who has had a great camp and reminds me of Anthony Hitchens. Some injuries have helped to be able to sneak a couple onto the PS.
The last level, again is loaded. Even without Byron Jones the CBs have been very good. At the safety spot George Iloka brought in as a bandaid may not even make the team with the play of some of the rookies.
Overall there has been talk of going short on offense to keep as much of the defensive talent as possible.
Last year this was as a top five unit without getting many turnovers. If they get turnovers like they have in the preseason, watch out. Championship level defense.
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
At LB past the starting three the depth is good, led by Joe Thomas who has had a great camp and reminds me of Anthony Hitchens. Some injuries have helped to be able to sneak a couple onto the PS.
The last level, again is loaded. Even without Byron Jones the CBs have been very good. At the safety spot George Iloka brought in as a bandaid may not even make the team with the play of some of the rookies.
Overall there has been talk of going short on offense to keep as much of the defensive talent as possible.
Last year this was as a top five unit without getting many turnovers. If they get turnovers like they have in the preseason, watch out. Championship level defense.
How did Shakir Soto do in camp this year?
It's week 1. No teams have really gelled at this point... Â
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
How can you keep 10 players on the DL and go 14 deep and declare that all players cut will be picked up by other teams??
Dallas has really good LB's and an excellent pass rusher. The rest of the defense has just as many questions as other teams. I sure hope they go with a 14 deep rotation on the line - that has to kill them in other positions groups....
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
At LB past the starting three the depth is good, led by Joe Thomas who has had a great camp and reminds me of Anthony Hitchens. Some injuries have helped to be able to sneak a couple onto the PS.
The last level, again is loaded. Even without Byron Jones the CBs have been very good. At the safety spot George Iloka brought in as a bandaid may not even make the team with the play of some of the rookies.
Overall there has been talk of going short on offense to keep as much of the defensive talent as possible.
Last year this was as a top five unit without getting many turnovers. If they get turnovers like they have in the preseason, watch out. Championship level defense.
How did Shakir Soto do in camp this year?
Considering the depth of tale9, he has shown some, but I doubt he makes practice squad.
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
How can you keep 10 players on the DL and go 14 deep and declare that all players cut will be picked up by other teams??
Dallas has really good LB's and an excellent pass rusher. The rest of the defense has just as many questions as other teams. I sure hope they go with a 14 deep rotation on the line - that has to kill them in other positions groups....
I didn't phrase that correctly.
Dallas will keep 10 and the DL goes 14 deep without Quinn or Gregory. Some of the cut players will be picked up by other teams.
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
At LB past the starting three the depth is good, led by Joe Thomas who has had a great camp and reminds me of Anthony Hitchens. Some injuries have helped to be able to sneak a couple onto the PS.
The last level, again is loaded. Even without Byron Jones the CBs have been very good. At the safety spot George Iloka brought in as a bandaid may not even make the team with the play of some of the rookies.
Overall there has been talk of going short on offense to keep as much of the defensive talent as possible.
Last year this was as a top five unit without getting many turnovers. If they get turnovers like they have in the preseason, watch out. Championship level defense.
I'm well versed in this logic, due to the play of Daniel Jones...but the Dallas defense has been doing this mostly against backups...so you might want to temper your enthusiasm a bit knowing that it is preseason and not all teams(LA Rams,49ers, Houston starters playing 1 series)...are playing their starters. You played backups in Rams and Niners..and Houston starters played 1 series. Pat Shurmur says to slow your roll.
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
At LB past the starting three the depth is good, led by Joe Thomas who has had a great camp and reminds me of Anthony Hitchens. Some injuries have helped to be able to sneak a couple onto the PS.
The last level, again is loaded. Even without Byron Jones the CBs have been very good. At the safety spot George Iloka brought in as a bandaid may not even make the team with the play of some of the rookies.
Overall there has been talk of going short on offense to keep as much of the defensive talent as possible.
Last year this was as a top five unit without getting many turnovers. If they get turnovers like they have in the preseason, watch out. Championship level defense.
I'm well versed in this logic, due to the play of Daniel Jones...but the Dallas defense has been doing this mostly against backups...so you might want to temper your enthusiasm a bit knowing that it is preseason and not all teams(LA Rams,49ers, Houston starters playing 1 series)...are playing their starters. You played backups in Rams and Niners..and Houston starters played 1 series. Pat Shurmur says to slow your roll.
Demarcus Lawrence, Robert Quinn, and Byron Jones have not taken a single snap in the preseason. What is left of the starting lineup has played probably five series at most together in the preseason. I would say 90% or more of the snaps have been by the backups. The vast majority of the games have been backup versus backup.
When Dallas puts out their starting 11 they are going to be dominant and easily the strength of the team.
You are preaching to the choir...I think the Dallas defense is a top 5 defense anyway. Just making the point they've faced 1 series of a starting offense in the preseason so I wouldn't make too much of preseason results..they already proved what they could do in the real games last year anyway.
Dallas has been the stronger team for the past 7 years Â
Since 2012, the Cowboys are 10-4 against the Giants. No chance the Giants can win, particularly given the all-new defensive unit and the now-shaky left side of the OL. Solder does not have a prayer, and neither does Eli.
people say Dallas is loaded on both sides of the ball, I really wonder where that comes from.
They are really overrated and had a pretty bad offseason.
Along the O-line they have Tyrone Smith, Zack Martin, Connor Williams, La'el Collins and I'm assuming Travis Frederick could be back.
Amari Cooper and Randall Cobb at WR with Zak Prescott pitching the ball and Ezekiel Elliott carrying the ball when he gets back.
There defensive line has been weakened but their linebacking trio of Sean Lee, Jaylon Smith and Leighton Vander Esch should make up for any deficiencies in the D-Line.
And their secondary looks pretty good to me with Anthony Brown and Chidobe Awuzie at CB.
I also have a tremendous amount of respect for their defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli.
Agreed d coordinator got ghost team playing well above their skill level for years before the talent was there. Must underrated coordinator in the league. If not so old woulda loved him over shurmur.
I think we will score points on a bunch of teams this year but Marinelli has my utmost respect as a DC.
If our OL gels quick Barkley will be a tall task for any defense.
I hope we beat them but it's going to be a real test of whether there has been any improvement in this team
The "patient side" of me says: "Don't put too much stock in Giants performance in Dallas Week One."
The Cowboys will come out in front of their home fans sky high expecting to win. Could be messy for us, but that won't necessarily mean we haven't made important strides. Just that will see the progress at a later date!
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and it's a road game -- we looked visibly off on our fist road game this preseason -- particularly the offensive line -- but there were many sloppy gaffs --
I hope we beat them but it's going to be a real test of whether there has been any improvement in this team
The "patient side" of me says: "Don't put too much stock in Giants performance in Dallas Week One."
The Cowboys will come out in front of their home fans sky high expecting to win. Could be messy for us, but that won't necessarily mean we haven't made important strides. Just that will see the progress at a later date!
This will quite likely be a tough game for us. But at least the OL now has enough talent across the board to be adequate or better. Very interested to see if Shurmur can out coach Marinelli.
I think their defense is legit, outside of Lawrence and Martin, the two linebackers might be the best players on the team. I honestly would not say Dallas is loaded everywhere as I think their offense is middle of the pack. The two questions for me are is how much improved will our defense be(if at all), and how much will an improved offensive line help versus the Dallas defensive front. I’d feel better if some of our young talented secondary players hadn’t missed time. Would have loved to see Baker come in with no rust, Ballantine has upside though.
On the other hand, I think the Giants will score, too. I expect Eli to be a little better than last year. Plus Barkley to be a difference-maker. The Cowboys will probably load up the box to stop Barkley and make the Giants beat them through the air, figuring that without Tate, the Giants passing game is weak. I believe the Giants can handle that challenge, in part by using Barkley as a receiver. Sterling Shepard, Evan Engram, Saquon Barkley and Paul Perkins (for example) is a pretty capable set of receivers.
I'd look for in-game adjustments by both coaching staffs. Should be a fun game to watch if the Giants' D can weather the storm early.
So Giants +7 seems about right to me. 31-24, 35-28, something like that. But 7 is a lot of points in a divisional game. Probably the Cowboys give more points if Elliott plays.
I remember reading that NY teams always skew the line because there are so many NY bettors, but I expect that effect is somewhat reversed with Dallas. Anybody know anything about that part of it?
Vegas and many analysts are using the past seasons and record to predict how our Giants will perform in 2019 which I think is a big mistake. Also, they have placed to much stock about OBJ being jettisoned from the Offense. The 2019 Giants have a massive influx of young talent on both sides of the ball.
I am optimistic about this season and the Dallas game specifically. The OLine will eliminate Marinelli's A gap blitzes, I think the Giants may have the best guard tandem in the NFL. I think our Giants are going to surprise the fanbase and the NFL.
Take the points, though they will win outright.
spread has little value in determining which team is better, rather it is based on which team is more valued. there’s always sucker money to be had.
Vegas and many analysts are using the past seasons and record to predict how our Giants will perform in 2019 which I think is a big mistake. Also, they have placed to much stock about OBJ being jettisoned from the Offense. The 2019 Giants have a massive influx of young talent on both sides of the ball.
I am optimistic about this season and the Dallas game specifically. The OLine will eliminate Marinelli's A gap blitzes, I think the Giants may have the best guard tandem in the NFL. I think our Giants are going to surprise the fanbase and the NFL.
Take the points, though they will win outright.
The Dallas first team offense has scored two touchdowns and two field goals in their 5 series. The defense has given up 1 touchdown on a short field setup by a muffed punt.
The Dallas starters have looked good in the preseason, especially on defense. Dallas will have a top 5 defense this year and if they get turnovers, like in the preseason, Dallas will have the best defense in the NFL.
And people call Giant fans homers?
And people call Giant fans homers?
That is not a homer statement.
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
At LB past the starting three the depth is good, led by Joe Thomas who has had a great camp and reminds me of Anthony Hitchens. Some injuries have helped to be able to sneak a couple onto the PS.
The last level, again is loaded. Even without Byron Jones the CBs have been very good. At the safety spot George Iloka brought in as a bandaid may not even make the team with the play of some of the rookies.
Overall there has been talk of going short on offense to keep as much of the defensive talent as possible.
Last year this was as a top five unit without getting many turnovers. If they get turnovers like they have in the preseason, watch out. Championship level defense.
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will have the best defense in the NFL this year??
And people call Giant fans homers?
That is not a homer statement.
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
At LB past the starting three the depth is good, led by Joe Thomas who has had a great camp and reminds me of Anthony Hitchens. Some injuries have helped to be able to sneak a couple onto the PS.
The last level, again is loaded. Even without Byron Jones the CBs have been very good. At the safety spot George Iloka brought in as a bandaid may not even make the team with the play of some of the rookies.
Overall there has been talk of going short on offense to keep as much of the defensive talent as possible.
Last year this was as a top five unit without getting many turnovers. If they get turnovers like they have in the preseason, watch out. Championship level defense.
How did Shakir Soto do in camp this year?
How can you keep 10 players on the DL and go 14 deep and declare that all players cut will be picked up by other teams??
Dallas has really good LB's and an excellent pass rusher. The rest of the defense has just as many questions as other teams. I sure hope they go with a 14 deep rotation on the line - that has to kill them in other positions groups....
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will have the best defense in the NFL this year??
And people call Giant fans homers?
That is not a homer statement.
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
At LB past the starting three the depth is good, led by Joe Thomas who has had a great camp and reminds me of Anthony Hitchens. Some injuries have helped to be able to sneak a couple onto the PS.
The last level, again is loaded. Even without Byron Jones the CBs have been very good. At the safety spot George Iloka brought in as a bandaid may not even make the team with the play of some of the rookies.
Overall there has been talk of going short on offense to keep as much of the defensive talent as possible.
Last year this was as a top five unit without getting many turnovers. If they get turnovers like they have in the preseason, watch out. Championship level defense.
How did Shakir Soto do in camp this year?
Considering the depth of tale9, he has shown some, but I doubt he makes practice squad.
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Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
How can you keep 10 players on the DL and go 14 deep and declare that all players cut will be picked up by other teams??
Dallas has really good LB's and an excellent pass rusher. The rest of the defense has just as many questions as other teams. I sure hope they go with a 14 deep rotation on the line - that has to kill them in other positions groups....
I didn't phrase that correctly.
Dallas will keep 10 and the DL goes 14 deep without Quinn or Gregory. Some of the cut players will be picked up by other teams.
Dallas has an abundance of talent on the DL.
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will have the best defense in the NFL this year??
And people call Giant fans homers?
That is not a homer statement.
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
At LB past the starting three the depth is good, led by Joe Thomas who has had a great camp and reminds me of Anthony Hitchens. Some injuries have helped to be able to sneak a couple onto the PS.
The last level, again is loaded. Even without Byron Jones the CBs have been very good. At the safety spot George Iloka brought in as a bandaid may not even make the team with the play of some of the rookies.
Overall there has been talk of going short on offense to keep as much of the defensive talent as possible.
Last year this was as a top five unit without getting many turnovers. If they get turnovers like they have in the preseason, watch out. Championship level defense.
I'm well versed in this logic, due to the play of Daniel Jones...but the Dallas defense has been doing this mostly against backups...so you might want to temper your enthusiasm a bit knowing that it is preseason and not all teams(LA Rams,49ers, Houston starters playing 1 series)...are playing their starters. You played backups in Rams and Niners..and Houston starters played 1 series. Pat Shurmur says to slow your roll.
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In comment 14544554 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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will have the best defense in the NFL this year??
And people call Giant fans homers?
That is not a homer statement.
Dallas is loaded on defense. Even without Quinn or Gregory Dallas will have difficult decisions on cut day on the DL. Dallas will keep a maximum of 10 and go 14 deep. The players cut will be picked up by other teams.
At LB past the starting three the depth is good, led by Joe Thomas who has had a great camp and reminds me of Anthony Hitchens. Some injuries have helped to be able to sneak a couple onto the PS.
The last level, again is loaded. Even without Byron Jones the CBs have been very good. At the safety spot George Iloka brought in as a bandaid may not even make the team with the play of some of the rookies.
Overall there has been talk of going short on offense to keep as much of the defensive talent as possible.
Last year this was as a top five unit without getting many turnovers. If they get turnovers like they have in the preseason, watch out. Championship level defense.
I'm well versed in this logic, due to the play of Daniel Jones...but the Dallas defense has been doing this mostly against backups...so you might want to temper your enthusiasm a bit knowing that it is preseason and not all teams(LA Rams,49ers, Houston starters playing 1 series)...are playing their starters. You played backups in Rams and Niners..and Houston starters played 1 series. Pat Shurmur says to slow your roll.
Demarcus Lawrence, Robert Quinn, and Byron Jones have not taken a single snap in the preseason. What is left of the starting lineup has played probably five series at most together in the preseason. I would say 90% or more of the snaps have been by the backups. The vast majority of the games have been backup versus backup.
When Dallas puts out their starting 11 they are going to be dominant and easily the strength of the team.
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people say Dallas is loaded on both sides of the ball, I really wonder where that comes from.
They are really overrated and had a pretty bad offseason.
Along the O-line they have Tyrone Smith, Zack Martin, Connor Williams, La'el Collins and I'm assuming Travis Frederick could be back.
Amari Cooper and Randall Cobb at WR with Zak Prescott pitching the ball and Ezekiel Elliott carrying the ball when he gets back.
There defensive line has been weakened but their linebacking trio of Sean Lee, Jaylon Smith and Leighton Vander Esch should make up for any deficiencies in the D-Line.
And their secondary looks pretty good to me with Anthony Brown and Chidobe Awuzie at CB.
I also have a tremendous amount of respect for their defensive coordinator Rod Marinelli.
Agreed d coordinator got ghost team playing well above their skill level for years before the talent was there. Must underrated coordinator in the league. If not so old woulda loved him over shurmur.