his retirement makes me wonder if he was really unlucky, or do all QB's get beat up the way he did? Makes you wonder how the hell Eli lasted all these years.
So no, not all QBs get beat up the way he has. He had a terrible OL in front of him for a good part of his career. It's a real shame; he clearly had the talent and smarts to be one of the all-time greats.
So no, not all QBs get beat up the way he has. He had a terrible OL in front of him for a good part of his career. It's a real shame; he clearly had the talent and smarts to be one of the all-time greats.
how Russell Wilson has survived so far in his NFL career without any real injuries. Only hurt once, and by the looks of it, it would have put most QBs on IR or at least several games missed. Instead he played semi-hobbled for the remainder of the season.
RG3 might have been careless, but not sure with Cam. He's way bigger than Wilson yet has been hurt more. Rodgers hurt often too.
Meanwhile of the new school, you got guys like Wentz, Watson, Garoppolo with ACLs that IMO were not as bad as a hit as Wilson took against SF in 2016.
He was left exposed and took too many hits. They failed with Manning as well.
Here is a thought: they should have stuck with Manning and used the pick to make one more run.
I certainly don’t follow the Colts but clearly they have made some bad decisions in personnel decisions either via draft or FA. Now they start over again after failing to capitalize on arguably the best QB talent in the last decade.
The abuse Luck did. Part of it was his style part surrounding cast. In any event he comes from a family of means and has a degree from Stanford so continuing to play was a choice not a necessity, vs a player who came from a tougher background with lesser prospects post football
additionally, a big difference between Luck and Wilson was that Wilson would look to bold first an then throw whereas Luck would stand in the pocket and try to navigate it while taking off as a last option.
That's not meant to be a knock on Wilson (where often it's an insult to say a QB looks to run early) as Wilson is the best I've ever seen at scrambling while keeping his eyes downfield.
Overall, Luck took some nasty shots and blindsided shots due to an atrocious offensive line and those injuries stuck with him.
Ryan Grigson wrecked Luck's career. Such a shame. One of the most complete players coming out of college with such a promising future and a tremendous ambassador for the sport to boot.
the NFL within the next 2 years. When he removes himself from the daily pressures of what his body has to go through in rehab and he heals on his own time table, he may decide to make a comeback at the age of 30-31. Even though he looked very comfortable in his own skin in making this decision, I would give it a better than 50% chance that Andrew Luck will be playing again as a starting QB in the NFL.
the NFL within the next 2 years. When he removes himself from the daily pressures of what his body has to go through in rehab and he heals on his own time table, he may decide to make a comeback at the age of 30-31. Even though he looked very comfortable in his own skin in making this decision, I would give it a better than 50% chance that Andrew Luck will be playing again as a starting QB in the NFL.
we Giants fans are spoiled. Nobody does what Eli has done in terms of showing up week after week. Nobody. Everybody's backup QB has to play now and then— except ours. Eli played through issues that would have put anyone else down for weeks.
But Andrew Luck had a fucking lacerated kidney. He was pissing blood. Plus, as others have observed, he's never had an offseason. He was always rehabbing something. Constant pain, constant rehab, and rehab is both tedious and unpleasant. I've done it for a couple of knee surgeries and a shoulder surgery, and I am going to have to do it again one of these years for knee replacement. Not looking forward to that at all. If that was my life, with occasional football sprinkled in until my body broke down again, I'd be rethinking my career choices, too.
longevity as does taking a sack when the rush is coming. These are not criticisms, but have been a part of Eli’s game of survival the past several years. He’s tough as nails, but rarely takes a direct shot.
with Andrew Luck in making this decision, and in the way he articulated it in his press conference. It is hard to walk away from what you have been doing most of your life, especially when you are really good at it and extremely well-paid for it. He showed foresight and maturity by pulling the plug at this point in his life. Time to move on to other things.
He was left exposed and took too many hits. They failed with Manning as well.
Here is a thought: they should have stuck with Manning and used the pick to make one more run.
I certainly don’t follow the Colts but clearly they have made some bad decisions in personnel decisions either via draft or FA. Now they start over again after failing to capitalize on arguably the best QB talent in the last decade.
Hindsight being 20/20, yes, the Colts would've been better off keeping Manning and trading the pick for a cache of picks/players to make another run.
But drafting Luck and letting Peyton go was the correct decision. It was the host of incorrect decisions afterward that led to this point.
He was left exposed and took too many hits. They failed with Manning as well.
Here is a thought: they should have stuck with Manning and used the pick to make one more run.
I certainly don’t follow the Colts but clearly they have made some bad decisions in personnel decisions either via draft or FA. Now they start over again after failing to capitalize on arguably the best QB talent in the last decade.
Hindsight being 20/20, yes, the Colts would've been better off keeping Manning and trading the pick for a cache of picks/players to make another run.
But drafting Luck and letting Peyton go was the correct decision. It was the host of incorrect decisions afterward that led to this point.
I agree.
Giants should still consider going heavy on the O-Line to protect Jones in the upcoming draft even if a pass rusher and WR1 might be more immediate needs.
And exciting to watch. It’s too bad how the Colts protected him. From the way they discarded Peyton to how they protected Luck, I have very little sympathy for the franchise and even the fanbase. They thought they had it made when they kicked Peyton out of the building and got Luck. It blew up in their faces. Fact is, what Peyton and Eli did in terms of showing up week after week and also winning at the highest level is extremely rare. McAdoo breaking Eli’s streak the way he did shows how stupid and crass the last regime really was.
He was left exposed and took too many hits. They failed with Manning as well.
Here is a thought: they should have stuck with Manning and used the pick to make one more run.
I certainly don’t follow the Colts but clearly they have made some bad decisions in personnel decisions either via draft or FA. Now they start over again after failing to capitalize on arguably the best QB talent in the last decade.
Hindsight being 20/20, yes, the Colts would've been better off keeping Manning and trading the pick for a cache of picks/players to make another run.
But drafting Luck and letting Peyton go was the correct decision. It was the host of incorrect decisions afterward that led to this point.
They made some mistakes but they also picked in the 25-32 range for almost 20 years. Only the Pats overcome that.
They had a playoff team solid on all sides of the ball including o-line last year and improved again this offseason.
The narrative that Luck was a victim is horseshit. He had some injuries, many do... he quit on his team and the fans 12 days before the season when nothing had happened to him in preseason. And he stole $13 million in March too.
that recovering from an injury involves mostly sitting on a couch with maybe a little stretching. The previous poster seems to fit that category. The truth is that rehab is probably harder, more frustrating and more painful than playing or practicing the game. I'm 62 years old and have never been athletic. About a month ago I developed arthritis in my left knee and couldn't walk. My doctor gave me a choice: cortisone injections until the knee gives out or physical therapy. I chose the latter. I was given some exercises to do which looked simple, but were painful and difficult. When I was done I was sore , grouchy and tired. My only goal was to be able to walk my dogs and go to the supermarket. Andrew Luck's goal was to be able to dance around in the pocket, run away from a bunch of 270 pound men that are trying to kill him and complete a pass. From the sounds of it, this latest injury was going to keep him out until at least midseason. Meanwhile he may have felt his body wearing down even last year despite having a successful season. I don't blame him one bit for quitting. I also didn't blame Tiki or Barry Sanders for quitting. As fans its not for us to judge and athlete who decided that he's taken enough hits.
that recovering from an injury involves mostly sitting on a couch with maybe a little stretching. The previous poster seems to fit that category. The truth is that rehab is probably harder, more frustrating and more painful than playing or practicing the game. I'm 62 years old and have never been athletic. About a month ago I developed arthritis in my left knee and couldn't walk. My doctor gave me a choice: cortisone injections until the knee gives out or physical therapy. I chose the latter. I was given some exercises to do which looked simple, but were painful and difficult. When I was done I was sore , grouchy and tired. My only goal was to be able to walk my dogs and go to the supermarket. Andrew Luck's goal was to be able to dance around in the pocket, run away from a bunch of 270 pound men that are trying to kill him and complete a pass. From the sounds of it, this latest injury was going to keep him out until at least midseason. Meanwhile he may have felt his body wearing down even last year despite having a successful season. I don't blame him one bit for quitting. I also didn't blame Tiki or Barry Sanders for quitting. As fans its not for us to judge and athlete who decided that he's taken enough hits.
I've had two knee surgeries and a shoulder surgery, and I can vouch that rehab is boring, painful, time-consuming and generally unpleasant. Also necessary. I think that the second knee surgery was necessary in part because I didn't properly rehab after the first one. And like Ron, I am not an athlete, just a guy trying to live a normal life.
how Russell Wilson has survived so far in his NFL career without any real injuries. Only hurt once, and by the looks of it, it would have put most QBs on IR or at least several games missed. Instead he played semi-hobbled for the remainder of the season.
RG3 might have been careless, but not sure with Cam. He's way bigger than Wilson yet has been hurt more. Rodgers hurt often too.
Meanwhile of the new school, you got guys like Wentz, Watson, Garoppolo with ACLs that IMO were not as bad as a hit as Wilson took against SF in 2016.
So yes, Luck is unlucky like many other QBs.
The common denominator is mobility. Darnold, Jackson, Allen, and Trubisky have missed time as well. The list of injuries to QBs who run is pretty substantial.
Luck wasn’t unlucky, it should’ve been expected given his style of play.
he quit on his team and the fans 12 days before the season when nothing had happened to him in preseason. And he stole $13 million in March too.
The narrative on this should change.
Maybe your understanding of the facts should change before you demand everyone adjust their worldview.
1) He sustained a lower leg injury and because it was going to be another year long "pain management" scenario as he has faced in his career before, he opted to retire (as he promised himself he would).
2) He "stole" nothing. The Colts had the right to come after his money and they told him to keep it. As Irsay said, Luck is probably leaving half a billion on the table by ending his career now.
But nah, let's promote the Luck-is-a-big-pussy-because-I-played-through-an-ankle-sprain-in-high-school narrative. Link - ( New Window )
A head coach can quit in a 1-10 season when down 28 points at half too if it’s what he wants. Of course.
The narrative that he and Gronk are the same - Gronk quit months ago and gave his team time to adjust. It’s a ludicrous comparison.
And to the idiot above discussing his arthritis - trying to think of a story I care less about but nothing coming to mind ... anyway ... he owes back the $13 million. Irsay can try to play the PR game all he likes and say keep it ... are the season ticket holders being refunded their money? Because this is now not the product they paid for.
If this decision was made in May - March as Favre and Ben debates for years and years this isn’t a story.
DRC and the bills CB can quit on their teams too Â
The narrative that Luck was a victim is horseshit. He had some injuries, many do... he quit on his team and the fans 12 days before the season when nothing had happened to him in preseason. And he stole $13 million in March too.
The narrative on this should change.
If Luck isn't a victim, than he's certainly one of the best of his era at making chicken salad out of chicken sh-t.
Do you really think he really wanted to walk away with this terrific team Chris Ballard had built in the two years since he arrived as GM?
If this decision was made in May - March as Favre and Ben debates for years and years this isn’t a story.
So your ultimate gripe is that he should have sustained a serious lower leg injury in March instead of the preseason?
It sounds like you aren't even aware that his decision was based on this latest injury. Doctors have looked at it the last two weeks. He was going to have to manage it all year long and he's been there, done that.
He wasn't 'unlucky', the Colts were guilty in football terms of near criminal negligence by ignoring their porous O-line. They hung him out to dry to fend for himself. QB's don't survive long in that situation. This entire scenario could have been avoided imo.
He wasn't 'unlucky', the Colts were guilty in football terms of near criminal negligence by ignoring their porous O-line. They hung him out to dry to fend for himself. QB's don't survive long in that situation. This entire scenario could have been avoided imo.
Its simple. You ether prioritize the OL or you don't. Not much more to say. Gettleman and Shurmur have said that even after building a good offensive line you have to add one quality OL to the mix every year through draft or free agency. Injuries, retirements, skill attrition etc. Thats after you have it built.
. a lot of hits happen right when a QB is throwing the ball.rarely is Eli completely exposed after he throws a ball.
when he throws a ball especially a long one he always goes into this cover up protection mode..
The narrative that Luck was a victim is horseshit. He had some injuries, many do... he quit on his team and the fans 12 days before the season when nothing had happened to him in preseason. And he stole $13 million in March too.
The narrative on this should change.
Not only did something happen to him in preseason (sort of debunking an already terrible premise), but when he chooses to quit should have nothing to do with timing and the impact on fans, for sure.
His leg wasn't healing a couple of practices in, forcing him to not take the field. Think about a player who has been injured in the off-season and tries to make a go of it and realizes he can't compete once again and has to go through rehab and possibly another surgery.
Let me guess, Nicks was dogging it at the end of his career too?
The narrative should be that Luck played very well through injuries and questionable team construction, going about his business without on or off the field incidents. He was a top QB who realized that his body has broken down and he's walking away from the game while he still can.
Any other "narrative" sounds like douche-speak with a disregard for what these players put on the line each and every year. Yes, they are paid handsomely, but they owe nobody, especially the fans anything for when they retire. And that's illustrated by the dumb fucks booing Luck.
'Its simple. You ether prioritize the OL or you don't.'... Â
If Andrew Luck is your QB and you don't then you're a moron. He IS the franchise. Your team sinks or swims based on his performance. Then factor in the massive financial investment in the man and only an idiot like Irsay and the awful front office he put in place could be this bad.
I'm sure he was sick of it, but I'm not sure his shoulder was ever Â
going to come back. His arm looked looked cooked last year in that playoff game. Shoulder injuries can be a death knell to any QB at any time and that one was all on him.
The thing with injuries is once they start happening, they generally, Â
don't stop unless you take the time to completely rehabilitate fully. Football players rarely have this luxury. You develop compensation injuries, lack of mobility causes other injuries, and it just gets worst. That is why most those guys that played way back in the day can barely walk. The rehabilitation processes were not even as close to as advanced as they are today.
Also these guys seem to do a much better job of taking care of themselves after they are done with football. Used to be after these guys retired, that was it as far as working out ever again. When you have injuries it is even more important to be working out to keep your mobility or your body is just going to go to shit.
how Russell Wilson has survived so far in his NFL career without any real injuries. Only hurt once, and by the looks of it, it would have put most QBs on IR or at least several games missed. Instead he played semi-hobbled for the remainder of the season.
RG3 might have been careless, but not sure with Cam. He's way bigger than Wilson yet has been hurt more. Rodgers hurt often too.
Meanwhile of the new school, you got guys like Wentz, Watson, Garoppolo with ACLs that IMO were not as bad as a hit as Wilson took against SF in 2016.
So yes, Luck is unlucky like many other QBs.
IIRC the Seahawks have had some dogshit OLs with Russ, so it actually is kind of interesting.
He did protect himself well in college - although ironically, the one time I saw him play live was when my alma matter (Rutgers) played NC State in some shit bowl (I think PapaJohns.com bowl), and we literally only won the game because he got knocked out by a big hit from an RU DE...
The narrative that Luck was a victim is horseshit. He had some injuries, many do... he quit on his team and the fans 12 days before the season when nothing had happened to him in preseason. And he stole $13 million in March too.
The narrative on this should change.
Not only did something happen to him in preseason (sort of debunking an already terrible premise), but when he chooses to quit should have nothing to do with timing and the impact on fans, for sure.
His leg wasn't healing a couple of practices in, forcing him to not take the field. Think about a player who has been injured in the off-season and tries to make a go of it and realizes he can't compete once again and has to go through rehab and possibly another surgery.
Let me guess, Nicks was dogging it at the end of his career too?
The narrative should be that Luck played very well through injuries and questionable team construction, going about his business without on or off the field incidents. He was a top QB who realized that his body has broken down and he's walking away from the game while he still can.
Any other "narrative" sounds like douche-speak with a disregard for what these players put on the line each and every year. Yes, they are paid handsomely, but they owe nobody, especially the fans anything for when they retire. And that's illustrated by the dumb fucks booing Luck.
Great post FMIC. As if these guys just phone it in after being lifetime competitors who have worked to reach the pinnacle of their sport.
And snowboarding.
RG3 might have been careless, but not sure with Cam. He's way bigger than Wilson yet has been hurt more. Rodgers hurt often too.
Meanwhile of the new school, you got guys like Wentz, Watson, Garoppolo with ACLs that IMO were not as bad as a hit as Wilson took against SF in 2016.
So yes, Luck is unlucky like many other QBs.
Here is a thought: they should have stuck with Manning and used the pick to make one more run.
I certainly don’t follow the Colts but clearly they have made some bad decisions in personnel decisions either via draft or FA. Now they start over again after failing to capitalize on arguably the best QB talent in the last decade.
That Slick Bigsuit trashed in the fucking garbage.
That's not meant to be a knock on Wilson (where often it's an insult to say a QB looks to run early) as Wilson is the best I've ever seen at scrambling while keeping his eyes downfield.
Overall, Luck took some nasty shots and blindsided shots due to an atrocious offensive line and those injuries stuck with him.
Ryan Grigson wrecked Luck's career. Such a shame. One of the most complete players coming out of college with such a promising future and a tremendous ambassador for the sport to boot.
But Andrew Luck had a fucking lacerated kidney. He was pissing blood. Plus, as others have observed, he's never had an offseason. He was always rehabbing something. Constant pain, constant rehab, and rehab is both tedious and unpleasant. I've done it for a couple of knee surgeries and a shoulder surgery, and I am going to have to do it again one of these years for knee replacement. Not looking forward to that at all. If that was my life, with occasional football sprinkled in until my body broke down again, I'd be rethinking my career choices, too.
Here is a thought: they should have stuck with Manning and used the pick to make one more run.
I certainly don’t follow the Colts but clearly they have made some bad decisions in personnel decisions either via draft or FA. Now they start over again after failing to capitalize on arguably the best QB talent in the last decade.
Hindsight being 20/20, yes, the Colts would've been better off keeping Manning and trading the pick for a cache of picks/players to make another run.
But drafting Luck and letting Peyton go was the correct decision. It was the host of incorrect decisions afterward that led to this point.
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He was left exposed and took too many hits. They failed with Manning as well.
Here is a thought: they should have stuck with Manning and used the pick to make one more run.
I certainly don’t follow the Colts but clearly they have made some bad decisions in personnel decisions either via draft or FA. Now they start over again after failing to capitalize on arguably the best QB talent in the last decade.
Hindsight being 20/20, yes, the Colts would've been better off keeping Manning and trading the pick for a cache of picks/players to make another run.
But drafting Luck and letting Peyton go was the correct decision. It was the host of incorrect decisions afterward that led to this point.
I agree.
Giants should still consider going heavy on the O-Line to protect Jones in the upcoming draft even if a pass rusher and WR1 might be more immediate needs.
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He was left exposed and took too many hits. They failed with Manning as well.
Here is a thought: they should have stuck with Manning and used the pick to make one more run.
I certainly don’t follow the Colts but clearly they have made some bad decisions in personnel decisions either via draft or FA. Now they start over again after failing to capitalize on arguably the best QB talent in the last decade.
Hindsight being 20/20, yes, the Colts would've been better off keeping Manning and trading the pick for a cache of picks/players to make another run.
But drafting Luck and letting Peyton go was the correct decision. It was the host of incorrect decisions afterward that led to this point.
They made some mistakes but they also picked in the 25-32 range for almost 20 years. Only the Pats overcome that.
They had a playoff team solid on all sides of the ball including o-line last year and improved again this offseason.
The narrative that Luck was a victim is horseshit. He had some injuries, many do... he quit on his team and the fans 12 days before the season when nothing had happened to him in preseason. And he stole $13 million in March too.
The narrative on this should change.
RG3 might have been careless, but not sure with Cam. He's way bigger than Wilson yet has been hurt more. Rodgers hurt often too.
Meanwhile of the new school, you got guys like Wentz, Watson, Garoppolo with ACLs that IMO were not as bad as a hit as Wilson took against SF in 2016.
So yes, Luck is unlucky like many other QBs.
The common denominator is mobility. Darnold, Jackson, Allen, and Trubisky have missed time as well. The list of injuries to QBs who run is pretty substantial.
Luck wasn’t unlucky, it should’ve been expected given his style of play.
Wilson is the true anomaly of the bunch.
The narrative on this should change.
Maybe your understanding of the facts should change before you demand everyone adjust their worldview.
1) He sustained a lower leg injury and because it was going to be another year long "pain management" scenario as he has faced in his career before, he opted to retire (as he promised himself he would).
2) He "stole" nothing. The Colts had the right to come after his money and they told him to keep it. As Irsay said, Luck is probably leaving half a billion on the table by ending his career now.
But nah, let's promote the Luck-is-a-big-pussy-because-I-played-through-an-ankle-sprain-in-high-school narrative.
Link - ( New Window )
The narrative that he and Gronk are the same - Gronk quit months ago and gave his team time to adjust. It’s a ludicrous comparison.
And to the idiot above discussing his arthritis - trying to think of a story I care less about but nothing coming to mind ... anyway ... he owes back the $13 million. Irsay can try to play the PR game all he likes and say keep it ... are the season ticket holders being refunded their money? Because this is now not the product they paid for.
If this decision was made in May - March as Favre and Ben debates for years and years this isn’t a story.
For whatever reason I don’t recall the narrative for them what it is for Luck. Same Deal.
The narrative that Luck was a victim is horseshit. He had some injuries, many do... he quit on his team and the fans 12 days before the season when nothing had happened to him in preseason. And he stole $13 million in March too.
The narrative on this should change.
If Luck isn't a victim, than he's certainly one of the best of his era at making chicken salad out of chicken sh-t.
Do you really think he really wanted to walk away with this terrific team Chris Ballard had built in the two years since he arrived as GM?
So your ultimate gripe is that he should have sustained a serious lower leg injury in March instead of the preseason?
It sounds like you aren't even aware that his decision was based on this latest injury. Doctors have looked at it the last two weeks. He was going to have to manage it all year long and he's been there, done that.
Its simple. You ether prioritize the OL or you don't. Not much more to say. Gettleman and Shurmur have said that even after building a good offensive line you have to add one quality OL to the mix every year through draft or free agency. Injuries, retirements, skill attrition etc. Thats after you have it built.
Crazy Colts ignored it. Sounds like Reese
when he throws a ball especially a long one he always goes into this cover up protection mode..
The narrative on this should change.
Not only did something happen to him in preseason (sort of debunking an already terrible premise), but when he chooses to quit should have nothing to do with timing and the impact on fans, for sure.
His leg wasn't healing a couple of practices in, forcing him to not take the field. Think about a player who has been injured in the off-season and tries to make a go of it and realizes he can't compete once again and has to go through rehab and possibly another surgery.
Let me guess, Nicks was dogging it at the end of his career too?
The narrative should be that Luck played very well through injuries and questionable team construction, going about his business without on or off the field incidents. He was a top QB who realized that his body has broken down and he's walking away from the game while he still can.
Any other "narrative" sounds like douche-speak with a disregard for what these players put on the line each and every year. Yes, they are paid handsomely, but they owe nobody, especially the fans anything for when they retire. And that's illustrated by the dumb fucks booing Luck.
Also these guys seem to do a much better job of taking care of themselves after they are done with football. Used to be after these guys retired, that was it as far as working out ever again. When you have injuries it is even more important to be working out to keep your mobility or your body is just going to go to shit.
RG3 might have been careless, but not sure with Cam. He's way bigger than Wilson yet has been hurt more. Rodgers hurt often too.
Meanwhile of the new school, you got guys like Wentz, Watson, Garoppolo with ACLs that IMO were not as bad as a hit as Wilson took against SF in 2016.
So yes, Luck is unlucky like many other QBs.
He did protect himself well in college - although ironically, the one time I saw him play live was when my alma matter (Rutgers) played NC State in some shit bowl (I think PapaJohns.com bowl), and we literally only won the game because he got knocked out by a big hit from an RU DE...
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The narrative that Luck was a victim is horseshit. He had some injuries, many do... he quit on his team and the fans 12 days before the season when nothing had happened to him in preseason. And he stole $13 million in March too.
The narrative on this should change.
Not only did something happen to him in preseason (sort of debunking an already terrible premise), but when he chooses to quit should have nothing to do with timing and the impact on fans, for sure.
His leg wasn't healing a couple of practices in, forcing him to not take the field. Think about a player who has been injured in the off-season and tries to make a go of it and realizes he can't compete once again and has to go through rehab and possibly another surgery.
Let me guess, Nicks was dogging it at the end of his career too?
The narrative should be that Luck played very well through injuries and questionable team construction, going about his business without on or off the field incidents. He was a top QB who realized that his body has broken down and he's walking away from the game while he still can.
Any other "narrative" sounds like douche-speak with a disregard for what these players put on the line each and every year. Yes, they are paid handsomely, but they owe nobody, especially the fans anything for when they retire. And that's illustrated by the dumb fucks booing Luck.