However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
RE: I don't know in this one, and I don't like either guy Â
However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
Why do you consider “millennials” derogatory? I took it as saying generational values differ. Lombardi’s winning is the ONLY thing is not gospel to younger generations.
RE: I don't know in this one, and I don't like either guy Â
However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
Jesus, I'm the biggest proponent of free speech I know but this is some weird application of it. Doug Gottlieb can say whatever he wants doesn't mean he can't be calles out on it. Weird way to infuse politics into the situation.
However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
Sounds like another "I'm goinf to pretend to understand what free speech means" post.
What does this situation have to do with the 1st Amendment? Has anybody said that Gottlieb can't say what he wants? Has he been incarcerate for saying what he said? They are simply saying that he is a prick.
The 1st Amendment does not protect you from being called a prick for making ridiculous statements.
RE: RE: I don't know in this one, and I don't like either guy Â
However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
After further consideration I retract m comment. This is indeed free speech. Gottlieb can say what he wants, idiot Aikman can say what he wants, and people can support either side. I just am a little beaten down by all the political correctness on the TV. I need to just tick to BBI.
By the lack of players, ex-players, and teammates criticizing the move -- I think it's safe to say the fraternity of NFL players understand.
I bet a significant number only continue to play for the money, and not the whimsical dedication to team or love for the game fans want it to be about.
I wonder if you privately polled current players and asked them if they'd retire with Andrew Luck's bank account, how many would. I guess it would be close to half.
RE: I don't know in this one, and I don't like either guy Â
However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
I don't understand, they are both saying what they want. We (most on this thread and in the general public from what I can tell) think Gottlieb should know his place in the sports world and probably shouldn't judge a player who's suffered multiple football related injuries, most or all of which Doug wouldn't know anything about rehabbing from.
It was a chickenshit comment that he is indeed free to say. The reactions are free speech as well, and he deserves all of them.
when Willis retired I thought that was the tip of the iceberg. These guys make a great living (the top guys that is) and 1 contract is generally enough on the risk/reward spectrum (from what I can tell, just my opinion). If they aren't going to let these guys medicate with THC, aren't going to give 2 bye weeks, and aren't going to expand rosters, then I don't blame a single one of them for getting theirs and calling it quits so they can enjoy the rest of their lives with their families.
However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
I don't understand, they are both saying what they want. We (most on this thread and in the general public from what I can tell) think Gottlieb should know his place in the sports world and probably shouldn't judge a player who's suffered multiple football related injuries, most or all of which Doug wouldn't know anything about rehabbing from.
It was a chickenshit comment that he is indeed free to say. The reactions are free speech as well, and he deserves all of them.
Pplank retracted his comments, second post up from your post.
However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
After further consideration I retract m comment. This is indeed free speech. Gottlieb can say what he wants, idiot Aikman can say what he wants, and people can support either side. I just am a little beaten down by all the political correctness on the TV. I need to just tick to BBI.
Since when is common decency the same thing as political correctness?
Why a scumbag like Gottlieb feels the need to make an issue if it is just one more example of media creating a story to get attention, this one backfired and might have consequences.
By the way, am I the only one that feels it’s better than 50/50 Luck will be back next season?
Why a scumbag like Gottlieb feels the need to make an issue if it is just one more example of media creating a story to get attention, this one backfired and might have consequences.
By the way, am I the only one that feels it’s better than 50/50 Luck will be back next season?
I’m not sure it’s better than 50/50 but I think it’s probably 33%ish.
Apparently he’s a football addict. So as he starts to feet better there is likely going to be a natural gravitational pull to come back. And his wife is expecting their first child. So dealing with a newborn, and a lot of sleepless nights, may lure him back as well... ; )
I do hope he reconsiders. Since his Stanford days, I’ve really enjoyed watching him play. Guy was a athletic linebacker type playing great football as a QB...
RE: RE: RE: I don't know in this one, and I don't like either guy Â
However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
After further consideration I retract m comment. This is indeed free speech. Gottlieb can say what he wants, idiot Aikman can say what he wants, and people can support either side. I just am a little beaten down by all the political correctness on the TV. I need to just tick to BBI.
so you think Aikman, a Hall of Fame who took a beating at the same position as Luck is the idiot for calling out some chickenshit tweet by a shock jock who never played the game?
Why a scumbag like Gottlieb feels the need to make an issue if it is just one more example of media creating a story to get attention, this one backfired and might have consequences.
By the way, am I the only one that feels it’s better than 50/50 Luck will be back next season?
he sounded pretty clear and convinced. Football is unlike basketball or baseball where a comeback is more feasible. He’s got 100 million in the bank a new arrival and a breadth of interests outside football.
He's obviously had numerous serious injuries we know of, and probably more that we don't. The team did a terrible job giving him O-line protection most of his short career. If he wants to step away from the game that's his right.
Why a scumbag like Gottlieb feels the need to make an issue if it is just one more example of media creating a story to get attention, this one backfired and might have consequences.
By the way, am I the only one that feels it’s better than 50/50 Luck will be back next season?
Don't think 50/50 is right. But he's young enough where I could see down the line he might want to jump back in the league and see what he can do after he's had time to heal and if there is a good OL in place wherever he goes.
RE: RE: RE: I don't know in this one, and I don't like either guy Â
However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
After further consideration I retract m comment. This is indeed free speech. Gottlieb can say what he wants, idiot Aikman can say what he wants, and people can support either side. I just am a little beaten down by all the political correctness on the TV. I need to just tick to BBI.
I think the more relevant point (and the one you may have been trying to make) is.... "Who really cares?"
An F-List Shock Jock Sports personality goes on Twitter and checks the right boxes to get the masses up in arms, and the masses react in accordance.
I think we are in a weird spot where everyone has a megaphone attached to their smart device, but not everyone is smart enough to use it appropriately.
Conversely, we have a large group of people who are just waiting to find something to get mad about and use that same platform to tilt windmills.
The unique wrinkle here is the take was so stupid that a former NFL player and prominent personality for the NFL on Fox chimed in and put the initiator in his place.
The answer is not to ban people from expressing themselves, but to just hope that people can step back and be rational. It likely isn't going to happen, but that's the hope.
Going after Grayson Allen puts you in the same class as Gottlieb ... Have you ever met Grayson? He’s actually a good kid who plays hard. I’m thinking you probably got a bug up your ass about Duke. Get over it.
Going after Grayson Allen puts you in the same class as Gottlieb ... Have you ever met Grayson? He’s actually a good kid who plays hard. I’m thinking you probably got a bug up your ass about Duke. Get over it.
He's a shitty sport on the court, IDGAF if he's a saint off of it. That's his claim to fame and while engaged in that activity he's a dirty player.
hot takes is what qualifies as having a career now. I don't blame Gottlieb for trying to make a splash..
but a grown man can decide when he doesn't want to play a sport that will likely leave him irreparably damaged. I don't live with much chronic, daily pain. Even though i am over 50. sometimes i have nagging pain and it is just awful. I can't imagine what these guys go through.. and apparently neither does Doug.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I don't know in this one, and I don't like either guy Â
However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
After further consideration I retract m comment. This is indeed free speech. Gottlieb can say what he wants, idiot Aikman can say what he wants, and people can support either side. I just am a little beaten down by all the political correctness on the TV. I need to just tick to BBI.
so you think Aikman, a Hall of Fame who took a beating at the same position as Luck is the idiot for calling out some chickenshit tweet by a shock jock who never played the game?
Did you read far enough, before getting into a pique, to see that he retracted the comments you are responding to, in the quote you actually used?
that stain used cheapshots to gain an advantage during his whole collegiate career and has already been ejected for the same tactics in the NBA. Gottliebs comments are that of a bottom feeder, just a cheap shot that didn't do anything other than prove how much he sucks as an "analyst".
and should not be trusted. Guy has had an axe against ND for years because they rightfully punished him for stealing from his fellow students.
He's a piece of garbage and shouldn't be on the air.
i met with Gottlieb once.. honestly he seems like a nice guy. this was a stupid hot take - obviously. but he's not a bad guy..
Did he ask for your SSN?
ha ha.. cmon he was a kid. he did something stupid. a lot of kids do. i did stupid things when i was a kid. i wouldnt want to be judged by them all the time. i'm sure you did too..
you probably shouldn’t call out model citizens and all around high character people for “quitting” when you don’t have a ducking clue about what said person is even dealing with.
you probably shouldn’t call out model citizens and all around high character people for “quitting” when you don’t have a ducking clue about what said person is even dealing with.
How can you defend him?
i didn't defend what he said. read what i wrote above. but having a hot take about gottlieb's character is no better than having a hot take about Luck's reasons for retiring. Gottlieb is in a tough business and he tweeted something dumb for attention. I'm telling you i met the guy and he seemed like an ok dude. do we really want to be judged by the worst thing we did when we were 19 or a dumb comment.
he said something incredibly stupid and he's getting blasted for it. I'm sure/hope he's a good husband/father/etc, but none of that has anything to do with what we are pointing out.
If you are going to be in the "hot take" business then don't get mad when you lose. Gottlieb lost this one, and hopefully he learns from it and gets better at his job because of it.
is only in a tough business because he's fighting with other people to deliver the most outrageous takes possible.
To survive, he needs attention. Since he can't get it by being a solid analyst exhibiting professionalism, he gets it by taking a contrarian position regarding a star player's retirement, cemented by trashing that player.
He's done this for years. Look at some of the petty things he's said about the Syracuse basketball team (many of whom think stems from him not being recruited by Boeheim)
he said something incredibly stupid and he's getting blasted for it. I'm sure/hope he's a good husband/father/etc, but none of that has anything to do with what we are pointing out.
If you are going to be in the "hot take" business then don't get mad when you lose. Gottlieb lost this one, and hopefully he learns from it and gets better at his job because of it.
Paterson referred to Aikman as the idiot in his retraction. So he retracted his comment about this being a free speech issue, but you can tell he empathizes with the millennial comment. Which isn’t inconsistent with other opinions he’s expressed on this site.
Aikman of all people understands Luck's decision Â
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But that was such a snide uncalled for comment by Doug Gottlieb.
Its so easy to say these things when its not them in constant pain and discomfort from the litany of injuries
Personally agree with Aikman. That said, fans in and out of BBI are brutal with player injuries..See Nicks, Hakeem for one of countless examples
Hmm
Yeah he nicks FS1 - maybe Troy hates soccer.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
Jesus, I'm the biggest proponent of free speech I know but this is some weird application of it. Doug Gottlieb can say whatever he wants doesn't mean he can't be calles out on it. Weird way to infuse politics into the situation.
He's been taking potshots at Jim Boeheim for years, but that goes unpunished because most people aren't fans of Boeheim.
He's always been an unprofessional hack. Reminds me of Grayson Allen in the booth.
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Sounds like another "I'm goinf to pretend to understand what free speech means" post.
What does this situation have to do with the 1st Amendment? Has anybody said that Gottlieb can't say what he wants? Has he been incarcerate for saying what he said? They are simply saying that he is a prick.
The 1st Amendment does not protect you from being called a prick for making ridiculous statements.
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However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
After further consideration I retract m comment. This is indeed free speech. Gottlieb can say what he wants, idiot Aikman can say what he wants, and people can support either side. I just am a little beaten down by all the political correctness on the TV. I need to just tick to BBI.
I bet a significant number only continue to play for the money, and not the whimsical dedication to team or love for the game fans want it to be about.
I wonder if you privately polled current players and asked them if they'd retire with Andrew Luck's bank account, how many would. I guess it would be close to half.
I don't understand, they are both saying what they want. We (most on this thread and in the general public from what I can tell) think Gottlieb should know his place in the sports world and probably shouldn't judge a player who's suffered multiple football related injuries, most or all of which Doug wouldn't know anything about rehabbing from.
It was a chickenshit comment that he is indeed free to say. The reactions are free speech as well, and he deserves all of them.
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However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
I don't understand, they are both saying what they want. We (most on this thread and in the general public from what I can tell) think Gottlieb should know his place in the sports world and probably shouldn't judge a player who's suffered multiple football related injuries, most or all of which Doug wouldn't know anything about rehabbing from.
It was a chickenshit comment that he is indeed free to say. The reactions are free speech as well, and he deserves all of them.
Pplank retracted his comments, second post up from your post.
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However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
After further consideration I retract m comment. This is indeed free speech. Gottlieb can say what he wants, idiot Aikman can say what he wants, and people can support either side. I just am a little beaten down by all the political correctness on the TV. I need to just tick to BBI.
Since when is common decency the same thing as political correctness?
He's a piece of garbage and shouldn't be on the air.
By the way, am I the only one that feels it’s better than 50/50 Luck will be back next season?
By the way, am I the only one that feels it’s better than 50/50 Luck will be back next season?
I’m not sure it’s better than 50/50 but I think it’s probably 33%ish.
Apparently he’s a football addict. So as he starts to feet better there is likely going to be a natural gravitational pull to come back. And his wife is expecting their first child. So dealing with a newborn, and a lot of sleepless nights, may lure him back as well... ; )
I do hope he reconsiders. Since his Stanford days, I’ve really enjoyed watching him play. Guy was a athletic linebacker type playing great football as a QB...
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However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
After further consideration I retract m comment. This is indeed free speech. Gottlieb can say what he wants, idiot Aikman can say what he wants, and people can support either side. I just am a little beaten down by all the political correctness on the TV. I need to just tick to BBI.
By the way, am I the only one that feels it’s better than 50/50 Luck will be back next season?
Media = one guy
By the way, am I the only one that feels it’s better than 50/50 Luck will be back next season?
Don't think 50/50 is right. But he's young enough where I could see down the line he might want to jump back in the league and see what he can do after he's had time to heal and if there is a good OL in place wherever he goes.
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However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
After further consideration I retract m comment. This is indeed free speech. Gottlieb can say what he wants, idiot Aikman can say what he wants, and people can support either side. I just am a little beaten down by all the political correctness on the TV. I need to just tick to BBI.
I think the more relevant point (and the one you may have been trying to make) is.... "Who really cares?"
An F-List Shock Jock Sports personality goes on Twitter and checks the right boxes to get the masses up in arms, and the masses react in accordance.
I think we are in a weird spot where everyone has a megaphone attached to their smart device, but not everyone is smart enough to use it appropriately.
Conversely, we have a large group of people who are just waiting to find something to get mad about and use that same platform to tilt windmills.
The unique wrinkle here is the take was so stupid that a former NFL player and prominent personality for the NFL on Fox chimed in and put the initiator in his place.
The answer is not to ban people from expressing themselves, but to just hope that people can step back and be rational. It likely isn't going to happen, but that's the hope.
Professionalism and accountability.
He's a shitty sport on the court, IDGAF if he's a saint off of it. That's his claim to fame and while engaged in that activity he's a dirty player.
Will I somehow understand this strange rage that other players have avoided?
If you know Allen then ask him why he is a fucking lunatic on the court.
I have a bug up my ass about people who do dirty things, have them fully captured on camera, and try to disavow they have done such acts.
but a grown man can decide when he doesn't want to play a sport that will likely leave him irreparably damaged. I don't live with much chronic, daily pain. Even though i am over 50. sometimes i have nagging pain and it is just awful. I can't imagine what these guys go through.. and apparently neither does Doug.
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However this feels like another millennial "Free speech means I can say what I want but you can't" episode. Troy has the right to his opinion, but so does Gottlieb. I don't see how you can condemn one for being a jerk and say the other is right as a fact. This is all opinion and point of view.
This is freedom of speech exemplified.
Gottlieb, a 43 year old man most famous for committing credit card fraud, was free to say whatever he want and the government did not intervene.
Troy Aikman, a 52 year old man and famous for playing the position Andrew Luck just retired from (and notably not a Millennial), was free to respond and tell Gottlieb his opinion (also without intervention).
Of course its all opinion. Outside of "Andrew Luck retired", everything is pretty much opinion. Freedom of speech means you can say whatever you want without getting arrested/censored/sued by the gov't, not that there isn't going to be repercussions and a lot of people to call you an idiot if you use a wide-reading medium like Twitter to spout your stupidity.
Unless you're asking for safe spaces for middle-aged Diet Skip Baylesses to continue to get this level of attention without blow back and preventing that freedom of speech, I don't get the complaint.
After further consideration I retract m comment. This is indeed free speech. Gottlieb can say what he wants, idiot Aikman can say what he wants, and people can support either side. I just am a little beaten down by all the political correctness on the TV. I need to just tick to BBI.
so you think Aikman, a Hall of Fame who took a beating at the same position as Luck is the idiot for calling out some chickenshit tweet by a shock jock who never played the game?
Did you read far enough, before getting into a pique, to see that he retracted the comments you are responding to, in the quote you actually used?
He's a piece of garbage and shouldn't be on the air.
i met with Gottlieb once.. honestly he seems like a nice guy. this was a stupid hot take - obviously. but he's not a bad guy..
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and should not be trusted. Guy has had an axe against ND for years because they rightfully punished him for stealing from his fellow students.
He's a piece of garbage and shouldn't be on the air.
i met with Gottlieb once.. honestly he seems like a nice guy. this was a stupid hot take - obviously. but he's not a bad guy..
Did he ask for your SSN?
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and should not be trusted. Guy has had an axe against ND for years because they rightfully punished him for stealing from his fellow students.
He's a piece of garbage and shouldn't be on the air.
i met with Gottlieb once.. honestly he seems like a nice guy. this was a stupid hot take - obviously. but he's not a bad guy..
Did he ask for your SSN?
ha ha.. cmon he was a kid. he did something stupid. a lot of kids do. i did stupid things when i was a kid. i wouldnt want to be judged by them all the time. i'm sure you did too..
How can you defend him?
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good or bad, right or wrong doesn't matter to them.
Media = one guy
Well there’s also an article by our own Pat Leonard calling Luck’s timing “suspicious.” The guy is such a cunt.
How can you defend him?
i didn't defend what he said. read what i wrote above. but having a hot take about gottlieb's character is no better than having a hot take about Luck's reasons for retiring. Gottlieb is in a tough business and he tweeted something dumb for attention. I'm telling you i met the guy and he seemed like an ok dude. do we really want to be judged by the worst thing we did when we were 19 or a dumb comment.
If you are going to be in the "hot take" business then don't get mad when you lose. Gottlieb lost this one, and hopefully he learns from it and gets better at his job because of it.
Simple as that.
To survive, he needs attention. Since he can't get it by being a solid analyst exhibiting professionalism, he gets it by taking a contrarian position regarding a star player's retirement, cemented by trashing that player.
He's done this for years. Look at some of the petty things he's said about the Syracuse basketball team (many of whom think stems from him not being recruited by Boeheim)
If you are going to be in the "hot take" business then don't get mad when you lose. Gottlieb lost this one, and hopefully he learns from it and gets better at his job because of it.
Simple as that.
fair enough