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Now that Preseason is done predict our record

superspynyg : 8/30/2019 8:49 am
Be realistic and take off the uber fan glasses.

Week 1 @ Cowboys W No Zeke.
Week 2 vs Bills W
Week 3 @ Bucs W
Week 4 vs Skins W Oline is a mess.
Week 5 vs Vikes L Minn def will show up and too many weapons
Week 6 @ Pats L
Week 7 vs Cards W.
Week 8 @ Lions L
Week 9 vs Cowboys L Zeke back
Week 10 @ Jets W Jets still not good
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 @ Chi L
Week 13 vs Packers L
Week 14 @ Eagles L
Week 15 vs Dolphins W Worst team in Football
Week 16 @ Skins W
Week 17 vs Eagles L

I put us as 8-8. We could easily come out sluggish vs the boys and be 7-9. 8-8 is respectable while it wont net us the playoffs we have a change until the end. Look for Eli to play the whole season and DJ to start next year.
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9-7 , I think we head in the right direction this season  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 8/30/2019 11:56 am : link
Still not sold on beating the Cowgirls or Filthy at all though.

Week 1 @ Cowboys L
Week 2 vs Bills W
Week 3 @ Bucs W
Week 4 vs Skins W
Week 5 vs Vikes L
Week 6 @ Pats L
Week 7 vs Cards W
Week 8 @ Lions W
Week 9 vs Cowboys L
Week 10 @ Jets W
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 @ Chi L
Week 13 vs Packers W
Week 14 @ Eagles L
Week 15 vs Dolphins W
Week 16 @ Skins W
Week 17 vs Eagles L
I  
AcidTest : 8/30/2019 11:56 am : link
agree that 8-8 seems likely. We're still a year away.
9-7  
Ryan in Albany : 8/30/2019 12:04 pm : link
2nd worst team in the league? MY ASS.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I thought the Giants played better without Beckham last year, honestly  
christian : 8/30/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14551046 ron mexico said:
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In comment 14550968 Britt in VA said:

Then I think Eli will do what Eli does best, find the open guy, regardless of the name on the jersey.

I unfortunately think he isn't seeing the field like he used to.

I'm no expert. It to my untrained eye, instances where he doesn't go to the best option keep popping up more and more.


This assumes and involves what I believe will make or break this season; over 16 games do the Giants have a group that can consistently get open in the pass game and consistently make make plays?

WR 3-6 on this team are either low pick rookies or career bottom-of-the-roster. Will these guys become something they've never been in their careers; consistent reliable targets. One those guys will be a starter until Tate comes back. One of those guys will be on the field a lot as the #3 WR.

A lot has been made of the 3/4 of the games Beckham missed last year, and how well the offense played. We don't need to re-litigate each of those games -- the real question is among that group are they more likely to be who a few were over 3 games or their whole career.
RE: I choose to be excited about the team.  
T in NJ : 8/30/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14550702 Britt in VA said:
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I choose to believe they will be good and not miserable.


+1!
RE: 16-0  
ron mexico : 8/30/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14550956 Anakim said:
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Don't you mean 23-0?
6-10...  
Tesla : 8/30/2019 12:29 pm : link
but our schedule really looks like a cake-walk this season, so 7-9 or even 8-8 is not really out of the question. Wouldn't be at all shocked to see us go 4-12 either though.

I think a lot of people here are just counting on the best case scenario across the board. A perfect example is Remmers. Everyone's assuming he's going to be this great upgrade at RT. He might be, but he's been truly awful the past two years. Plus he's coming off a back injury. We're all just assuming he becomes the player he was 3 years ago at RT. What if he sucks? Or gets hurt? Would put a major dent in our offense.

Also, our defense has the potential to be one of the worst in the league. We might very well have the worst pass rush in the league. That's kind of a big deal. We also have one of the worst groups of LBer's in the league, which is kind of a problem when you're running a 3-4 defense. Do we even have a single pro-bower on defense?

Having said that I'm honestly very excited for the season....I do think the arrow is pointed in the right direction....lots of good young talent....but we've got a ways to go yet in my opinion.

8-8  
Kev in Cali : 8/30/2019 12:42 pm : link
Eli's last game will come week 6 vs the Pats....that's my prediction.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I thought the Giants played better without Beckham last year, honestly  
Les in TO : 8/30/2019 12:47 pm : link
In comment 14551107 christian said:
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In comment 14551046 ron mexico said:


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In comment 14550968 Britt in VA said:

Then I think Eli will do what Eli does best, find the open guy, regardless of the name on the jersey.

I unfortunately think he isn't seeing the field like he used to.

I'm no expert. It to my untrained eye, instances where he doesn't go to the best option keep popping up more and more.



This assumes and involves what I believe will make or break this season; over 16 games do the Giants have a group that can consistently get open in the pass game and consistently make make plays?

WR 3-6 on this team are either low pick rookies or career bottom-of-the-roster. Will these guys become something they've never been in their careers; consistent reliable targets. One those guys will be a starter until Tate comes back. One of those guys will be on the field a lot as the #3 WR.

A lot has been made of the 3/4 of the games Beckham missed last year, and how well the offense played. We don't need to re-litigate each of those games -- the real question is among that group are they more likely to be who a few were over 3 games or their whole career.
yup. This and the fact that some people think the Giants offensive line will look like the cowboys are why Iím also not expecting a return to a winning season.
In 2003  
Les in TO : 8/30/2019 1:06 pm : link
The 49ers got rid of TO in part because of his diva ways and his desire to leave. They went from 7-9 in his last season to 2-14. Meanwhile he took the Eagles yo the brink of winning the Super Bowl. Not saying that the situations are identical; this Giants team does have talent on paper and the Niners also let Garcia go that offseason. But I wonít be surprised if our record is in the same ballpark as last season. Culture is important but so are elite playmakers
I'm sticking with my earlier 6 - 10  
.McL. : 8/30/2019 1:21 pm : link
To the folks who are the polyannas on this thread...
(and I use the term polyanna as it was on here back in the 90s when we had the polyanna vs. realist debates, and the polyannas wore the label proudly! :) So don't be offended by the term)

Every year is different. Comparing to last year is a bit of a fools errand. Our record may not be much better and yet the Giants may be a significantly better team. Here's why.

1) Lets not forget that the Giants were more or less gifted 4 wins last year play against backup QBs and teams that were severely hurting in general (moreso than the Giants were when they played them, the Giant's injuries came after those wins). So personally I don't view last year's team as a 5 - 11 team. I think it was more like a 2 or 3 win team.

2) There is a lot of young talent on the Giants, that's a good thing - the needle is moving in the right direction. However the downside of that, is there are going to be lots of mistakes as these players transition to young vets. The Secondary is littered with rookies (I am including Beal in that). Expect rookie mistakes. The only pass rushers are Zo and X. Again I think they will improve over time, but they need that time. It's going to be a very bad combination of a poor pass rush, and rookie coverage mistakes.

3) Exacerbating 2, Jenkins and Bethea are on the downsides of their careers. They may still be good players, but they won't be the players they were in the past.

4) The OL on paper is far superior to last years version. Even the improved version that ended the season. Doing nothing but replacing Wheeler with a player that belongs in the NFL is a huge upgrade, not to mention Zeitler. However, they still need to play together and gel. Only Solder and Hernandez spent significant time together last year. It will take time before this line comes together. Also, Solder and Remmers are on the wrong side of 30, they can break down without notice, and there is very little backing them up. If either goes down, this offense is in big trouble.

5) Special teams were significantly better than league average last year (Football outsiders had us ranked 3rd). Our punter is meh, and we lost some of the special teams aces, and going into the year the players we were counting on for ST are banged up. Expect Special Team play to revert to somewhere near average (although Rohas is awesome, so maybe a bit above)

So I don't see 6 - 10 as showing no improvement. In fact, I see 6 - 10 as proof that the team is moving in the right direction. I see going from what I believe was really a 2 or 3 win team with very little talent, to a 9 or 10 win team as unrealistic. Going to a 6 win team this year and 9 or 10 wins next year is perfectly within reason.
6-10  
Greg from LI : 8/30/2019 1:31 pm : link
WRs are mediocre at best, line is better but not actually good, I suspect the defense will be trash again.
8-8, maybe 9-7 if our injury luck is better  
BlueLou'sBack : 8/30/2019 1:32 pm : link
than several of our opponents'.
6 to 10 win range  
xtian : 8/30/2019 1:36 pm : link
10-6 if all goes right and we are in the playoffs
6-10 if all goes wrong

i know, not very in depth analysis, but this would be the standard deviation. any other record would be freaky. :)
I'm not going to predict a W-L record, but I have a few predictions:  
81_Great_Dane : 8/30/2019 2:20 pm : link
Defense is very young and inexperienced, struggles early but is better in the second half of the season.

As the secondary firms up, the pass rush will seem to improve. In reality, the pass rush will be the same but there will be more coverage sacks.

From the start of the season, the offense will be better than most people think, mostly because of upgraded line and Barkley. They will miss OBJ's big-play ability but not as much as some think.

There's going to be a point in the first half of the season where the team's record says it's time to play Jones, but Eli's playing too well to sit him down. They will stick with Eli.

A lot like 2018, 2019 will feature a slow start and a faster finish. Media will overreact to the slow start.

The team sticks together throughout and never quits on Shurmur.
RE: I;m thinking 6-10 to 8-8  
Rover : 8/30/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14550794 rnargi said:
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Defense will improve as the year goes on, but they're at least a year away from being good. Pass rush and linebacker coverage over the middle is lacking.

Spot on.
6-10 to 8-8.

And I actually think a quantum leap ala 2016 to 10-6 and a wild card would be WORSE long term.
I donít want this franchise getting ahead of itself and thinking theyíre one step away too soon.
8-8  
section125 : 8/30/2019 2:26 pm : link
is about right.
Arrow pointing up ..  
Bluesbreaker : 8/30/2019 5:49 pm : link
9-7 I was thinking more on the line of 6-10
but with Eli looking sharp behind a revamped line
influx of youth and talent good mix of veterans .
If we stay healthy BIG IF especially the O-line
I think were gonna surprise a few teams looking
for a breakout MVP season from Barkley young
and second season with the new system and better culture.
With a little luck we could secure a wildcard .
Hereís my take..  
Q v2.0 : 8/30/2019 8:34 pm : link
Week 1 @ Cowboys - Prescott W
Week 2 vs Bills - Allen W
Week 3 @ Bucs - Winston W
Week 4 vs Skins - Keenum W
Week 5 vs Vikes - Cousins W
Week 6 @ Pats - Brady L
Week 7 vs Cards - Murray W
Week 8 @ Lions - Stafford W
Week 9 vs Cowboys - Prescott W
Week 10 @ Jets - Darnold W
Week 11 BYE - W
Week 12 @ Bears - Trubisky W
Week 13 vs Packers - Rodgers L
Week 14 @ Eagles - Wentz W
Week 15 vs Dolphins - Rosen W
Week 16 @ Skins - Haskins W
Week 17 vs Eagles - McCown W

15-2 record and an NFC wild card berth. 🤓 #TGIF
7-9  
justafan : 8/30/2019 8:52 pm : link
Giants start hot but fizzle. Jones steering week 14. If Zeke doesn't sign by habe 1 I think we win that and go 8-8 with a possibility of 9-7. In that case Jones starts the final game.
Going with 8-8  
ChathamMark : 8/30/2019 9:01 pm : link
Don't see much better than that at this point.
RE: Hereís my take..  
Diver_Down : 8/30/2019 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14551729 Q v2.0 said:
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Week 1 @ Cowboys - Prescott W
Week 2 vs Bills - Allen W
Week 3 @ Bucs - Winston W
Week 4 vs Skins - Keenum W
Week 5 vs Vikes - Cousins W
Week 6 @ Pats - Brady L
Week 7 vs Cards - Murray W
Week 8 @ Lions - Stafford W
Week 9 vs Cowboys - Prescott W
Week 10 @ Jets - Darnold W
Week 11 BYE - W
Week 12 @ Bears - Trubisky W
Week 13 vs Packers - Rodgers L
Week 14 @ Eagles - Wentz W
Week 15 vs Dolphins - Rosen W
Week 16 @ Skins - Haskins W
Week 17 vs Eagles - McCown W

15-2 record and an NFC wild card berth. 🤓 #TGIF


15-2? Counting the Bye is a bit over-the-top optimism. Even still I would be shocked that 14-2 is only good for a Wildcard.
11-5 to 13-3...  
Milton : 8/30/2019 9:19 pm : link
...if I'm being pessimistic.
Without yet reading this thread  
mrvax : 8/30/2019 10:50 pm : link
I'm liking the team and think they will get better throughout the season.
10-6 seems good to me.
10-6 or 11-5  
Giantz_comeback : 8/30/2019 10:56 pm : link
With the D being the thing that could swing us a little under that if they dont gel quickly enough
5-11  
George : 8/30/2019 11:19 pm : link
Sure hope Iím wrong. My wife and kids would say that I probably am.
10 - 6 and playoffs  
OburgBob : 8/31/2019 6:06 am : link
seems possible with a good bounce or two. Our offense will be much better (more versatile sans OBJ) with a strong OL, and Barkley. Of course, a key injury or two will limit our chances.
16-0  
Scyber : 8/31/2019 6:54 am : link
Same answer as last time. Let's Go Giants!
9-7  
trueblueinpw : 8/31/2019 8:36 am : link
Wildcard, Super Bowl, Eli signs 5 year extension, BBI hamster explodes.
6-10  
FranchiseQB : 8/31/2019 8:40 am : link
6-10
9 - 7  
Watson : 8/31/2019 8:46 am : link
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4-12  
Shirk130 : 8/31/2019 8:50 am : link
I love Eli and hope he goes out with a big season like #11 did, but I would bet that DJ is playing by week 7 and Shurmurs job will depend on how well he progresses.
6-10  
Dave in PA : 8/31/2019 8:56 am : link
Maybe just maybe 7-9 if they get some breaks that they didnít get last year. 8-8 if they far exceed the collective talent on the team
How many backup QBs will we playing?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/31/2019 9:19 am : link
Take that number and add 2-3 wins...
RE: I say 7-9 or 8-8  
1955GF : 9/2/2019 8:37 am : link

No pass rush & a spotty secondary will hurt the most.
7-9,8-8 makes sense.It was a bad move to go to a 3-4 from
a 4-3 and then trade away your best defense personnel.
D.Jones will start by game 9 or sooner.
Arrow pointing up.  
Red Dog : 9/2/2019 7:19 pm : link
Not a real contender yet, but a much better team overall than last year's garbage, and with an easier schedule, too.

They will manage to lose a couple of games that they should have won, but they just might steal a game or two that they should have lost.

I'd say 7 to 9 wins is about right.
6 and 10  
The Turk : 9/2/2019 7:32 pm : link
4 and 7 under Eli and 2 and 3 under Jones
7-9 or 6-10  
fanofthejets : 9/3/2019 1:27 pm : link
at Dallas - Loss
Buffalo - Win
at Tampa Bay - Win
Washington - Win
Minnesota - Loss
at New England - Loss
Arizona - Win
@ Detroit - Loss
Dallas - Loss
@ Jets - Loss
@ Chicago - Loss
Green Bay - Loss
@ Philly - Loss
Miami - Win
@ Washington - Win
Philly - Loss

Detroit game is kind of a toss up, I can see you winning that one and getting to 7-9
RE: 7-9 or 6-10  
figgy2989 : 9/3/2019 1:31 pm : link
In comment 14556809 fanofthejets said:
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@ Jets - Loss


Shocked that you would pick this.
RE: How many backup QBs will we playing?  
figgy2989 : 9/3/2019 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14552145 Jimmy Googs said:
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Take that number and add 2-3 wins...


You also have to look into the almanac to see how much it will be raining and or snowing in East Rutherford on those dates.
RE: RE: 7-9 or 6-10  
fanofthejets : 9/3/2019 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14556817 figgy2989 said:
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@ Jets - Loss




Shocked that you would pick this.


Most unbiased people would. The Jets are no great shakes but have more talent then the Giants and are better coached
I'll say 4-5 wins and hope I'm wrong  
Metnut : 9/3/2019 2:14 pm : link
I'm not sure how this defense is going to stop anyone. There's just not enough talent there. The offense will have its moments (especially with Barkley), but Eli is another year older and our best WR was traded away. Overall, this just doesn't look like a winning team to me. Ideally, they'll prove me wrong and we'll see the recent draftees excel.

Hopefully, we at least get a real look at Jones this year if the team doesn't surprise and contend for the playoffs.
7-9  
Rong5611 : 9/3/2019 2:39 pm : link
An optimistic 7-9, could be 4-12 too.

It will be interesting to see when they pull the plug on Eli. Cards game is the first chance we could see DJ, barring a total September disaster. He would have 10 days to prep. Tough call, I have them .500 at that point. I'm being optimistic though, the Bills and Bucs are decent teams who could beat us (possibly easily). We are "W's" on their projections.

We'll see. Rooting for one more magical run from #10...

Week 1 @ Cowboys L
Week 2 vs Bills W
Week 3 @ Bucs W
Week 4 vs Skins W
Week 5 vs Vikes L
Week 6 @ Pats L
Week 7 vs Cards W (Its possible DJ starts at this point or any game thereafter)
Week 8 @ Lions L
Week 9 vs Cowboys L
Week 10 @ Jets W
Week 11 BYE
Week 12 @ Chi L
Week 13 vs Packers L
Week 14 @ Eagles L
Week 15 vs Dolphins W (DJ absolutely starts by this game, unless Eli is leading them on an unbelievable run, which is unlikely.)
Week 16 @ Skins W
Week 17 vs Eagles L
8-8 and trending upwards  
Mike in Prescott : 9/3/2019 5:06 pm : link
I am hopeful of one surprise win vs either the Cowboys or the Eagles to push us to 9-7.

RE: RE: RE: 7-9 or 6-10  
Jay on the Island : 9/4/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14556841 fanofthejets said:
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In comment 14556809 fanofthejets said:


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@ Jets - Loss




Shocked that you would pick this.



Most unbiased people would. The Jets are no great shakes but have more talent then the Giants and are better coached

You refer to yourself as unbiased and then try to claim that the Jets have more talent? Lol, you continue to embarrass yourself with each post. For the 100th time why are you on a Giants message board to praise the Jets?
RE: RE: RE: 7-9 or 6-10  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/5/2019 7:45 am : link
In comment 14556841 fanofthejets said:
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In comment 14556809 fanofthejets said:


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@ Jets - Loss




Shocked that you would pick this.



Most unbiased people would. The Jets are no great shakes but have more talent then the Giants and are better coached

Better coached?
oh man ^^^^  
ron mexico : 9/5/2019 8:47 am : link
that is hysterical

6-10  
jcn56 : 9/5/2019 8:57 am : link
I don't see the defense being any good, mostly because I think they'll struggle to generate a pass rush. The secondary seems to have been improved, but it's unproven and they're going to have to hold longer than it's reasonable to expect from them.

On O, maybe a slight improvement from last year with an improved OL. The WR position needs improvement, and defenses are going to key in on Barkley.

Anything more than that is gravy I guess. It will be an interesting experiment to see if culture trumps talent. I think the implication was we had some good players who weren't focused on winning, and that the right attitudes are in the door now. Let's see how much attitude buys them. I'm guessing some, but not a lot.
8-8 if they stay relatively healthy.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/5/2019 9:00 am : link
Schedule looks friendly. I dont think they are ready to play with the big boys yet, that's next year.
Bump...  
Tesla : 9/9/2019 1:20 am : link
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